Warning: SPOILERS for Titans season 4, episode 11, "Project Starfire."Jay Lycurgo talks about getting to see Tim Drake finally become the new Robin in Titans season 4. While Titans has focused heavily on the iconic Teen Titans heroes, the HBO Max drama has also explored various corners of Batman mythology. One of those aspects is the mantle of Robin, as the show has featured Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake. With Dick and Jason operating as Nightwing and Red Hood respectively, Titans season 4 has focused on setting up Tim as the third Boy Wonder.

After joining Titans in season 3, Lycurgo's take on Tim has been going through quite the evolution in season 4. As of this latest episode, Tim has officially suited up as Robin and joined forces with Red Hood on a special mission. Tim becoming Robin is significant, as Titans is the character's live-action debut, and it didn't take long for him to don the iconic suit finally.

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Screen Rant recently had the honor of chatting with Lycurgo about Tim's evolution into Robin before Titans heads into its final episode this month. Throughout the interview, Lycurgo spoke about getting told that he would be suiting up, and the experience of bringing the Tim/Bernard romance to life in Titans season 4. Lycurgo also reflected on possibly returning to the DC world for a third time after appearing in both Titans and The Batman.

Jay Lycurgo Talks Tim Drake's Arc in Titans Season 4

Jay Lycurgo in Titans Season 4

Screen Rant: I have really enjoyed your arc this season. Tim is like the light in all the chaos that happens on the show. First of all, what was it like when you got the call that you were finally going to get to suit up?

Jay Lycurgo: I'm trying to remember it now. I know that it's been probably a year and a half in the making. I remember in season 3, I did 7 episodes and I didn't know if I was going to come back. It was very strange because I remember getting called in season 4, they wanted me back for a few years but obviously now it's the final season and I didn't really know if I was going to get the suit. I knew that I was going to come back for another season but I didn't know if they were going to do [Tim as the] original Robin or Red Robin. I wasn't really sure to be honest.

I remember going on Google and looking at the Red Robin/Robin supersuit and I was like, 'Oh, this would be sick!' But then also I was like, 'Okay, if they give me the mask, they're not gonna be able to see my face.' I knew Joseph [Morgan, who plays Brother Blood] already had that problem. So I was like, 'Okay, let's do the original!' and then I remember I was doing probably two months of supersuit fittings in L.A. Obviously, you can't say anything so it was just keeping a massive secret for a very long time. But it was LJ [Laura Jean Shannon] who told me in an email, 'Oh, yeah, by the way, we're gonna make you Robin this season.'

Yeah, like, 'No big deal, you are just going to suit up this season!' [laughs]

Jay Lycurgo: It was crazy, but it was so long ago. So that's why it's just been this insane roller coaster of secrecy but also excitement.

Do you remember the first day when you suited up?

Jay Lycurgo: The first fight that he gets to do in the alley, where he meets Red Hood, that was very surreal. I just knew that I had to do this massive fight that I've been training for weeks with the stunt team who are incredible, by the way. Because I can get into the training with the bow staff as well, because that was a natural experience that I enjoyed every second. But wearing that suit...have you ever sweated from your eyes before?

Well, I hadn't and it was a very strange experience, because the mask would come off at the end of the fight and it would look like tears, but really, it was just sweat. But saying that, doing that alley scene was really incredible and obviously doing The Batman, working with Robert Pattinson and doing that fight in the train station. I really felt like I had my moment of intense rain. I'm going to fight and it was a real hero moment for me. Putting that both stuff out for the first time, I just felt like a kid again. I really could just have a lot of fun with it. It was just really enjoyable, but it was knackering. It was exhausting. I remember doing the flight once and I was like, 'Okay, I need a minute!'

Jay Lycurgo and Curran Walters in Titans Season 4

Can you talk about working with Curran Walters for this episode, compared to last season?

Jay Lycurgo: Look, me and Curran are boys. It was just really fun to wear the Robin suit opposite him because I had seen him in the Red Hood suit like a season before. We just kept on joking - there's a really funny photo that I will post very soon but it's me trying to kiss him in the Robin suit! [laughs] But it was like always that, we have a lot of fun in our fight montage. Because we're boys, it makes it easy for good chemistry.

Having grown up with the Batman family as a kid, we never really got to see these characters together a lot, so I could only imagine how much fun you guys were having. Also, Tim and Bernard are so adorable. Can you talk about having worked with James Scully this season? This was something that was so huge when Tim came out as bisexual in the comics.

Jay Lycurgo: Yeah, it was very natural to me and James - we had great chemistry from the minute that we got speaking. I remember in episode 5 when we save the world from the Red Moon. He's worried about Tim going off to become a superhero and I remember doing that scene, we just knew how important it was to show this relationship. We were representing a community that hadn't yet had those figures. It was really important to me that every time me and James were in a scene together that we had that in mind and also just explore different avenues of play. We did have a lot of fun doing that first scene together and James got really emotional afterwards.

He was like, 'As a kid, I would have loved to seen these figures in my life.' I just feel like that scene we captured what that relationship was and what it was going to be for future episodes. I think me and him had such incredible chemistry. I remember we watched episode 8 and 9, I just had to voice message him like, 'It's so great man. What we did, you should be really proud.'

Because as actors, sometimes you don't really know what you're doing. You're just expected to be in the moment and hope for the best because we have that leverage and that importance behind us that we wanted to tell this story so good. It's just like that moment. I love every time I see him in a scene for Bernard and Tim to get together. The montage of me getting ready to open the door in the hotel room. It was just a lot of fun and we really enjoyed it togethe. That was a great time on set that day so it was great all the time, a lot a huge love for that man.

As a fellow bisexual man myself, you guys are so adorable together. We need to see more of this. You get to be part of one of the big final fight sequences of the show against Brother Blood. How was it filming that, knowing that this could maybe be the last time because all of you guys work together?

Jay Lycurgo: Yeah, and watching the season, I miss all of them so much, I must say. Every time on set, Brenton [Thwaites,] Teagan [Croft,] Joshua [Orpin,] Ryan [Potter,]. all of them had such a laugh. The fight with Brenton as Nightwing, I always used to joke that Tim Drake and me were going through the same thing. I was waiting for this moment for so long as the actor, I really wanted to get into these fights because I kept on seeing Brenton being able to go into these stunt rehearsals and put on the suit and fight like six guys. I was like, 'Are they gonna let him [Tim] have this moment when me and Nightwing have a fight together?'

That felt really good, [it was a] moment that I had been waiting [for.] Because we film for eight months., so at the beginning, that first part of season 4 - Tim really is not doing anything like that scene where he's like, 'I only got to look at the security monitors.' That's all he does and I felt that frustration for him because I was like, 'I want to be doing the fight.' So when we got to the end of filming, and I was in that massive fight with the team, I felt this massive moment, I had been waiting for my whole experience of being a Titan.

Were you happy with where Tim ends up at the end?

Jay Lycurgo: I honestly think I am. There's definitely moments if season 5 was going to become a thing. I would love to see Tim in his element as Robin because we only saw a glimpse of what his potential was. It's a bittersweet moment because when you're watching it, you're like 'Wow, look at these fight sequences, his intelligence is really shining right now.' But I can't help as an actor being like 'Okay, how would I now portray Tim as the superhero that he's always wanted to be?'

I would have loved to have seen another season with a focus on Tim Drake as Robin. I think there's a beauty where it ended and obviously as you said with Tim and Bernard having that lovely moment. They started working together and Bernard was getting into fighting. There's something beautiful in the imagination as well and letting that sit with your own.

The Batman Titans Tim Drake Gang Member Jay Lycurgo

You've already had the chance of being part of two DC projects with The Batman and Titans. Let's say third time is the charm with James Gunn is doing the whole DC Universe. If you get another call, what other character would you like to play at that point?

Jay Lycurgo: I'm really keeping tabs of it. Who knows, really? Because James seems he's just doing his own thing. He's only just started casting for Superman: Legacy, right?

Yeah, they just started looking at people right now.

Jay Lycurgo: Actually, for Superman, there was a character called Jimmy Olsen. People kept on DM-ing me about playing this Jimmy character. I saw that and I don't really know much about him. They're doing another Batman film, what is it going to be called?

It's called Batman: The Brave and the Bold; it's based on the Grant Morrison run, focusing on Batman and Damian Wayne. But they alluded to that there's probably going to be other Bat-Family members; there could be another Tim Drake in that universe, is what I am saying...

Jay Lycurgo: We don't know, right? To be honest, I would love to do something again with Matt Reeves. I think that universe is so exciting. I'm talking as a fan now, being a part of that project was so so exciting but that character that I played, I think there's a story in that. I think there's something really fun in that. I remember people on Twitter talking about him becoming a Robin...

We never heard his name. That could be Tim! Maybe after Batman saves him, instead of being a bad guy, maybe he decides to be a superhero instead and again; we never heard his name.

Jay Lycurgo: This is it, Andy! It's all part of our imagination! If there's a project that suits right for me, if there's a character that suits right for me in the DC world, then I'm very open to it. So whatever that is, I would love to play Tim again; I'd love to play Tim again in a different universe. Because then you get a whole different creative team that might have a whole different concept on Tim and uses different comic books on Tim. So I would stick with my boy, Tim, if I'm honest, for the moment.

Jay Lycurgo and James Scully in Titans Season 4

I would be happy if you came back as Tim because I feel we just got started with you. What else are you working on right now?

​​​​​​​Jay Lycurgo: So I'm actually having a holiday because I'm going off to do a film in England called Last Swim. So I'll be doing that for a bit. But then other than that, I'm back on the frontline, like all of us, seeing what comes next.

Well, hopefully, your buddy Matt sees this, or James Gunn sees it so that you will be back in that suit sooner rather than later.

​​​​​​​Jay Lycurgo: Thank you, man. Honestly, I've watched your podcast a few times! I love your energy; you're so positive. I watched it recently and I was just like, 'I really like this Andy guy. He's a good vibe!' So I want to send my love your way as well!

This made my day. But thank you so much for your time today. Congratulations on what's been an amazing season, and I wish you the best of luck with anything that's coming for you. Hopefully, we'll speak in the future, and be careful of that thunderstorm!

​​​​​​​Jay Lycurgo: Don't worry, I've got my bow staff so I will sort it out!

Wait, did you get to keep it?

​​​​​​​Jay Lycurgo: No, I didn't [laughs] I mean, I tried to take it and then Brenton was just like 'No!' [laughs] It's there in the archives just with the suit.

About Titans Season 4

The Cast Titans Season 4 Part 2

In the mid-season premiere, the Titans - with the exception of Gar - are returned to the place they had vanished, the Temple of Trigon, only to find Sebastian and Mother Mayhem are no longer there. The Titans rush to find them before Sebastian summons Trigon, their pursuit leading them to a mysterious town whose populace is hiding a deep secret. Along the way, the Titans come across a prophecy that may require Kory to make a huge sacrifice to save the world, but Dick's feelings for Kory surface and he refuses to let her die.

In the final episodes, the Titans enter into an epic battle to save both Kory and the world. Gar goes on a quest of self-discovery, attempting to find his true purpose and to save his friends. Rachel embraces darker powers while Conner, struggling with his Lex Luthor side, goes his own way to defeat Sebastian. Tim and Bernard’s growing feelings for each other become increasingly difficult to resist, and when Bernard’s life is threatened, Tim finally becomes the hero he has always strived to be.

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The series finale of Titans drops on HBO Max on Thursday, May 11.