Star Wars: 15 Things About The First Order That Don't Make Any Sense

Occasionally Star Wars movies address small unanswered questions by providing more information. For example, Rogue One addresses how the Rebels discovered that the Death Star had a weakness, solving the decade-long question. Similarly, midi-chlorians appear in The Phantom Menace to explain the Force, which explains that the great will of the galaxy is made of merely DNA-like units.

Even with their occasional explanations, Disney and Lucas haven’t answered every important question. Instead, they brought plot contrivances in many cases, which created many major plot holes. The First Order-- occasionally refer to the Empire 2.0-- rose from the ashes of the Empire and ruled an iron fist over the galaxy. 

However, there are many things about the First Order that don't quite make sense. For example, miraculously in a span of 36 years the First Order was able to form and create a strong militarization under the Republic’s view. 

The First Order has created various questions, some of which have caused massive plot holes. It's time to look at the First Order under a microscope and discover its many flaws.

With that said, here are the 15 Things About Star Wars' First Order That Don’t Make Any Sense!

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15 How Were They Able To Mobilize An Attack After Only 36 Years?

One of the main things that doesn't make any sense at all is how the First Order was able to mobilize and attack the New Republic with such limited funding. That's without even mentioning how they were able to beam in and destroy the Republic’s capital.

The First Order has only been around for 36 years, which doesn't provide them with nearly enough time to build and test weapons or obtain (and train) soldiers.

Though it was later stated that Empire sympathizers contributed to the First Order’s inception, this does not explain how the First Order was able to construct and then create their Starkiller Base in only three decades.

The Emperor oversaw the exploration of the region and stabilized the routes to get to the Unknown Regions. Still, it doesn’t make sense how the pro-Empire supporters were able to contribute trillions of credits to help the construction of another Death Star. This is a suspiciously large amount of work pulled of in a very short span of time.

14 Why Didn't They Fix The Starkiller Base's Weaknesses?

Starkiller Base from Star Wars

The First Order’s hasty construction of Starkiller Base is questionable, especially since the original Death Star was built in 20 years and needed over one trillion galactic credits for the final project. The Empire needed Jyn Erso’s dad to complete the project and thus required the architect for the final form of the military base.

When Death Star #2 was built, it was half completed, and they never knew about the weakness Erso had planted. However, the First Order built Starkiller base much later.

It doesn't make any sense that they wouldn't know about the first two Deathstar's weaknesses. Plus, it is never explained how the First Order was able to build the Starkiller Base faster than the original Death Star. Starkiller Base is way bigger than the original and had a much stronger beam.

13 Their Concept Of "Balance"

First Order Starkiller Base Fired

Kylo Ren often talks about the First Order's political agenda: to establish balance and restore order in the galaxy. The First Order believes in restoring a strong central government that will promote progress, which contrasts to the New Republic’s constant battles.

Part of the New Republic’s political rift is due to senators supporting First Order. However, the First Order wish to restore balance by reverting back to Galactic Empire.  They claim that this is to restore balance, but it's a fancy way of saying that they want to obliterate all defiers.

Reverting back to the old Galactic Empire would mean anti-alien propaganda, zero freedom of speech, and 24/7 surveillance. A totalitarian regime would take over and there wouldn’t be any public forum where senators could speak.

The Empire sympathizers wish to revert this back to this but it creates one skewed balance that only favors a certain group.

12 How Were They Able To Sneak Past The New Republic?

When the First Order first appeared in The Force Awakens, the movie framed the group as a sub-branch of the Empire that kept stormtroopers. However, it is later revealed that the group emerged out from the shadows as the Empire was losing.

Bloodline, a Star Wars side book that unveils the events between Episode VI and Episode VII, explains what happened to the New Republic and why the Republic chose to ignore the First Order.

Leia Organa was wary of the Empire loyalists reforming a new organization that would pose a threat to the New Republic. The New Republic, unfortunately, did not see the group as a real threat and thus ignored Leia's warnings.

The First Order went on to funnel money into build shipyards and weapons, as well as Starkiller Base. Even if they didn't rise up against the emerging First Order, the New Republic should have at least investigated further. This would have prevented the attack on the New Republic’s capital city, which is depicted in The Force Awakens.

11 Starkiller Base Was Obliterated But They Remained Strong And Powerful

One of the plot contrivances that happens in The Force Awakens is the destruction of Starkiller Base. While most assumed that the First Order was done for, we later learn that the organization has more military bases than just the one. 

For a bit, the Resistance was on the winning side, especially since the New Republic considers members of the First Order to be fugitives. The Starkiller Base was a huge base of operations for the First Order, however, and thus its destruction should cause a massive impact on the group. Instead, we see hundreds of soldiers in The Last Jedi.

Where do these soldiers come from? Wouldn't the destruction of the Starkiller impact their fleet, at least a little bit? Not only that, but the First Order emerges stronger than ever in The Last Jedi, with new weapons and gadgets.

10 Why Do They Still Use Stormtroopers?

TR8R Stormtrooper in The Force Awakens

It was bad enough that stormtroopers have terrible aim, but somehow the First Order, the new big bad of the Star Wars universe, thought that it was a good idea to continue to use the stormtroopers as soldiers. 

Perhaps we can give them the benefit of the doubt-- maybe these stormtroopers are more capable than their predecessors? They might have learned better combat skills, especially since the First Order seems to have resources to spare.

However, in both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, it seems like the stormtroopers haven't learned a thing. In fact, it doesn’t make any sense that the First Order's main army is so horrible in combat.

Not only does their stiff armor make it impossible for them to maneuver in close combat, but the soldiers all appear to be incompetent. Captain Phasma may have taught them close range combat, but even the newly trained stormtroopers can't seem to win a single battle against the Resistance.

If the First Order really wanted to pose a serious threat, they should include Force users in their army. They'd stand a far better chance.

9 Why Enforce The Blaster Protocol?

There are many things that don't make sense in the Star Wars universe. However, some things are later explained, such as the Death Star's one weakness, which is finally discussed in Rogue: One.

In The Force Awakens, the First Order checks the blasters of each of its stormtroopers in order to see if they followed orders and fired. Finn faced this problem after he chose not to shoot the villagers in Jakku and Captain Phasma later ordered him to submit his blaster for review after the mission.

It is one of the reasons why Finn chose to desert, as he knew that the First Order would eventually learn that he had not fired on the villagers, which in turn would have showed them that he was not fully loyal to the cause.

However, the Empire never focused on checking blasters. While this protocol is useful to discover whether or not a solider is following order, it doesn't explain how the stormtroopers are still missing their targets. If anything, the First Order's new stormtroopers should be more capable than ever before, as they'd need to prove that they'd shot their enemies or face consequences.

8 Why Does The First Order Still Believe That The Jedi Are Dead?

Force Ghosts of Young Anakin, Yoda, and Obi-Wan Kenobi Star Wars Return of the Jedi

One of the questions in Star Wars that was never answered concerns the Jedi Order. Most, including Rey, are led to believe that the Jedi Order is completely dead and that no Jedis have survived.

However, this doesn't make much sense since Luke Skywalker defeated Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader, and it’s accepted by some that the Jedi are alive. In the span of 36 years, the New Republic even acknowledges the existence of the Jedi. Heck, the New Republic established a transparent policy so that the citizens would even know about the Empire’s misdeeds. 

The Last Jedi goes on to explain that Luke even created a school to train potential Jedis, which Kylo Ren attended. Thus, if anything, the First Order would know that there are Jedi still out there.

7 How Did They Learn About the Map That Leads to Luke Skywalker?

The Force Awakens never addresses how the First Order were able to figure out about the map piece that led to Luke Skywalker’s location. In fact, the first time they appear in the movie, the First Order is trying to find the map piece. Many fans have asked: when did they learn about the map in the first place?

We know that Lor San Tekka helped the Skywalkers in recovering the lost lore of the Jedi. After Ben’s betrayal, Luke exiled himself and decided to search for the first Jedi temple. The First Order went to find Del Meeko who knew Tekka.

Before they interrogated Del Meeko, the First Order never explained how the learned about the map and how they know that Lor San Tekka would know of Luke Skywalker’s or the first Jedi temple's location.

While Star Wars: Battlefront II explained how the First Order were led to Jakku, it failed to address how they learned about the map piece.

6 The Military Rankings

First Order Empire

One of the things that the First Order tried to improve was the Empire’s military might. While half of their philosophy is about restoring balance, the other half focuses on reclaiming the glory that the Empire lost.

In a strange sense, the First Order wanted to carry their legacy-- hence the stormtroopers and third Death Star. The First Order’s Military ranks thus also follow the same suit. As a way to remember the Galactic Empire's glory days, the military includes a rank that includes the name of a famous galactic hero. For example, Major ranks have Tarkin's name inscribed in them.

What doesn’t make sense, though, is that the First Order follows exactly in the Empire's footsteps, refusing to learn from the Empire's mistakes. For example: the Death Star was a failure, the stormtroopers couldn’t stop the resistance fighters, and Tarkin, who made the Death Star, costed the Empire trillions of dollars.

5 Their Lack Of Practical Stormtrooper Weapons

Finn and Phasma fighting in Star Wars 8 The Last Jedi

In the Battle of Takodana, a stormtrooper used a Z6 riot control baton. This may seem normal to casual views, but it doesn't actually make any sense. Enemies from both sides of the battle were using a wide range weapons, and thus a mace-like weapon wouldn’t work well in a fight against blasters.

The only exception would be if the stormtrooper was facing a Force user, since they could battle in close range. Even then, though, a Force-sensitive person could send the stormtrooper flying instantly.

It’s explained that the First Order created a new line of combat weapons for their stormtroopers. One such weapon was the Z6 riot control baton, which was used to train melee combat.

There were other weapons that the First Order made for the standard soldier. They upgraded the blaster from an E-11 blaster rifle to an F-11D. They also issued an SE-44C blaster pistol as a sidearm. Thus it seems strange that a soldier would be using a Z6 riot control baton in combat, considering the fact that they had access to the wide range of blasters.

4 The First Order’s Existence after Operation: Cinder

Operation: Cinder was Darth Sidious's contingency plan. If he were to die, Sidious wanted all of the planets, including planets that were loyal to him, to be incinerated. Iden Versio, the commander of the Empire’s Inferno squad, had second thoughts, however.

When the Empire incinerated her home planet, Iden deserted the Empire and changed sides, working with the Resistance. The Versio family are extremely loyal to the Empire, but even this was too much.

Operation: Cinder was a pivotal moment. The Resistance and the New Republic would try to stop the mission, in addition to destroying the remaining Empire fleet.

When the New Republic was finally formed, a group of senators within the forum were still Empire loyalists. However, this doesn't make much sense since many fans question why the Empire sympathizers would still be loyal after their leader tried to kill them.

3 Why Make Another Deathstar?

One of the biggest things that never made sense about the First Order is why they decided to build another Death Star, knowing that the previous two didn’t last too long.

Not only that, but they spent over a trillion of credits building the original. This means that the First Order would had to spend the same amount, if not more. Even though it couldn't be taken down by a single shot to the core, the Starkiller Base was still incredibly vulnerable to attack.

The First Order didn’t fix this weakness-- instead they added more shields and a modified the core so that the blast would implode, creating a new star. That means that all it would take is one lone maverick to take down the Starkiller Base.

It’s understandable that they are trying to build up from the former Empire, but they copied the exact same things that brought the Empire down.

2 Snoke

One mystery that has yet to be answered is how Snoke became the supreme leader of the First Order. Making the leader either General Hux or Tarkin’s descendent would have made far more sense.

Snoke’s debut generated a number of theories. Since then, there wasn't much information about the super alien being. All we know is that he had strong Force abilities, was not a Sith, and was from an unknown region. He swayed Ben to the Dark Side, but not many members of the First Order ever come in contact with him, as he is alienated in his chamber.

Even after the shocking scene in The Last Jedi, there are still many questions surrounding him. Some speculate that he’s the oldest being and most likely the original Sith, while others believe that he was a part of a bigger agenda. For now, his previous purpose and role in the First Order remains a mystery.

1 The First Order Vs. Resistance

Why is the First Order so dedicated to ending the Resistance and killing all of its members? The First Order, in all of its glory, has its on screen debut during the attack on Jakku. Many fans wonder why the Resistance is still able to survive. Also, why is the First Order ignoring the New Republic?Bloodlines elaborate on the Resistance 2.0 and the First Order's origins. The First Order formed in the Unknown Regions and began to quickly mobilize military units. Since the New Republic is unable to hold the First Order accountable, Senator Leia re-established the Resistance as a countermeasure to stop the First Order.

The new Resistance operated outside of the jurisdiction of the New Republic, which posed a problem to the First Order. The First Order and the Resistance would continue their war until the completion of Starkiller Base. While Bloodlines did somewhat answer the First Order's intent, it raised more questions about how no one could have stopped them.


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