Theory: Joaquin Phoenix's Joker Is A Trump Version Of Batman

Joaquin Phoenix Joker with Batman and Trump

The Joker origin movie just keeps getting weirder and weirder, but does its latest development reveal its hand: is Todd Phillip's prequel really exploring Batman in relation to President Trump? The prospect of a Joker movie outside of the DCEU with Joaquin Phoenix as the Clown Prince of Crime was first floated a year ago, and despite a lot of movement on the project - it's now set for an October 2019 release - there's still a lot of confusion about what it actually is.

A movie once set to be executive produced by Martin Scorsese from the director of The Hangover starring a brusque arthouse actor that exists alongside the shared universe canon take from Jared Leto, Joker is certainly an odd proposition. What little story details there are suggests that it will take inspiration from The King of Comedy and The Killing Joke, with character descriptions that are a world away from what you'd typically expect from Mr. J.

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Everything has been made even weirder by the casting of Alec Baldwin as Thomas Wayne, father of future Batman Bruce. Baldwin has reinvigorated his career playing President Donald Trump on Saturday Night Live, a role he's already referenced with a short cameo in BlacKkKlansman and appears to be the reference point for his Wayne. While this may seem bizarre, put alongside those ambiguous character descriptions it may just explain what's going: Joaquin Phoenix's Joker is a warped, "What If?" Batman.

Joker's Thomas Wayne Is 1980s Trump

The report of Baldwin's casting describes this version of Thomas Wayne as a "cheesy and tanned businessman who is more in the mold of a 1980s Donald Trump". That's not new for Baldwin, of course, and neither is it new for Joker. A previously reported character description for who was then known as "Mr. Warner":

MR. WARNER Supporting Male (60-70) [MR. WARNER] male, Caucasian, 60s, a deeply-tanned, hair dyed so black it was almost blue, highly successful, New York City businessman, rumored to be running for Mayor. He’s a public figure in the city and a symbol of wealth [STRONG SUPPORTING]

Although he was originally suspected to be Rupert Thorne, Baldwin's age range and Trump comparison definitely make it seem like Mr. Warner was the casting name for Thomas Wayne. That would, in turn, reveal a little about his role in the film: he's a key supporting player with high power aspirations (mirroring how Donald Trump discussed running for President decades prior to the 2016 election).

There are multiple ways that this version of Thomas Wayne could fit into the story. For one, if the movie is told from the Joker's fractured view on the world, then conflating a successful businessman with someone as distinct and controversial as Trump would be a natural skewed extension. Additionally, having such a known figure linked to this role beelines into a commentary on 1980s excess and inflated wealth; both The King of Comedy and The Killing Joke see protagonists transformed by their overreaching aspirations. However, it may go deeper - and more personal - than that.

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Joker May Be Thomas Wayne's Son

Now, here's where the character descriptions reveal something new. Phoenix's character is supposedly called Arthur Fleck, a man who returns to Gotham to care for his aging mother. That role is described as "very attractive in her youth", "obsessed with her former employer" and unable to believe "this is what her life has come to".

At the time, it was theorized that Fleck could be the illegitimate son of the Mr. Warner role, then speculated and now confirmed to be Thomas Wayne. There's no direct evidence of this, but the suggestion of Fleck's mother's youth and subsequent fall from grace being important would certainly line up with the descriptions of Thomas and strengthen any class discussion the movie will be making.

That possibility is mainly eye-catching because it would turn the Joker into Batman's half-brother, a new twist on the diametrically opposed Gotham forces: even if Bruce Wayne doesn't play a role, it would seem to suggest that good and evil come from the same origin point, perhaps a new twist on The Killing Joke and its "one bad day" motif. However, could it be something deeper? Could Joker be Batman?

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  • Aquaman (2018) release date: Dec 21, 2018
  • Shazam! (2019) release date: Apr 05, 2019
  • Joker (2019) release date: Oct 04, 2019
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