Zack Snyder Calls Superman ‘Broken,’ Disses ‘Thor’

Published 3 years ago by , Updated August 15th, 2012 at 10:15 am,

superman by alex ross Zack Snyder Calls Superman Broken, Disses Thor

It seems Superman is a difficult character for creators to grasp, both in the world of comics and film. Hence the reason Bryan Singer made Superman Returns – it was so much easier to basically remake Richard Donner’s Superman (this time with Baby Superman!) than to branch out into uncharted cinematic territory.

Over the weekend, director Zack Snyder talked to our very own Roth Cornet about his approach to Superman: Man of Steel, a film he’s calling “the most realistic” he’s ever made – which isn’t saying much when you look at his filmography. Yesterday, Snyder talked to Hollywood Outbreak and referred to Superman as a broken concept, while managing to diss Marvel’s Thor in the process.

It should be noted that when Zack Snyder said, “Superman is broken and I think it needs to be fixed,” his wife and producing partner, Deborah Snyder, interjected with, “From a movie standpoint.” At which point Snyder repeated, “From a movie standpoint.” So Snyder isn’t calling the Superman of the comic books broken, even though many a comic book fan would have no problem saying just that.

Snyder continued to discuss Superman’s movie problem, going so far as to mock Thor by comparison:

“[Superman] is the freaking […] biggest superhero on the planet. He’s the father of every superhero. [Deborah and I] were just talking about this – I’m like, really? Thor? Thor has a movie? [Laughter.] Really? I mean, come on. And there’s no Superman movie? This is, like, the world’s out of balance. It’s like, we’ve lost our minds here, people, come on.”

Listen, there’s no doubt that, cinematically-speaking, Superman has a massive problem. The fact that there hasn’t been a truly successful Superman film since 1980 is both astounding and sad. That said, there’s no reason in the world to denigrate the Marvel version of Thor, who was created by Stan Lee, Larry Lieber, and perhaps the greatest comics creator of all time, Jack Kirby. Hell, at least Superman has had quality representation in film – twice over. The last time Thor was seen in a movie theater was The Adventures of Babysitting.

superman versus thor Zack Snyder Calls Superman Broken, Disses Thor

Zack Snyder also discussed the meeting he had with producers Christopher Nolan and Emma Thomas before he took the directing job:

“When [Christopher and Emma] asked Deborah and I out to lunch [to tell us] what they wanted to do with [Man of Steel] – I’ve got to say, [beforehand] I was like, ‘I don’t know if I can [do Superman]. [Afterward], I was like, ‘This is right.’ […] I didn’t need to hear that much before I went, ‘Okay, that’s right, that’s the right way to do it.’ […] I’m a fan of the character. I want him to be awesome.”

Check out the full audio recording at Hollywood Outbreak.

While I agree with Zack Snyder that every Superman film since 1980 has been insignificant or just plain bad, I’m not sure the way toward creating the best possible Superman film is realism. After all, the best iteration of Superman in the past twenty years was Grant Morrison’s All-Star Superman, which was all kinds of strange, ridiculous, and about as far away from realism as a story can get. In the end, realistic or not, Man of Steel’s quality will be determined not by its style, but by – well, everything else.

Superman: Man of Steel hits theaters December 2012.

Source: Hollywood Outbreak

Superman art by Alex Ross and George Perez

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  1. I thought SR did a brillian job. I haven’t read a Superman comic in years, but hasn’t the comics always been about him living as a “God amongst men”? I thought SR captured that drama.

  2. What is that comic clip from?

    • JLA/Avengers. Written by Kurt Busiek, drawn by George Perez. It’s very good in that old-fashioned comic book sort of way.

      • In JLA-Avengers Superman wins Thor
        But Captain America Wins Batman…

        • Not true. Batman wins due to environmental circumstances, though he admits Captain America could beat him…after a significantly long fight. Maybe.

  3. I actually think he just means the visual style is gonna be realistic not the movie ;)

  4. /flame on

    I like Zak Snyder but… Marvel > DC^10… that’s a no-brainer.

    • You’re right…a no-brainer…DC>Marvel. Yes, exactly. :)

      • There’s no doubt about it, Marvel characters are more interesting.

        • Exactly…DC characters are much more interesting.

          • Marvel heroes have a more contemporary feel to them. They’re more 1960′s, where the DC heroes are 1940′s.

            • Robot Shlomo…

              I’m not sure why you’ve chosen to follow me around on this thread 2 months after people stopped commenting on it, but here we are…

              Anyway, for my response to THIS comment, just refer back to the response to the comment you gave on the last page of this thread. That answer fits perfectly.

        • BTW, Nautius and Kique…

          In case you did not take the hint, I am not actually engaging in your rather childish game of “Mine’s better than yours”. I’m simply highlighting how stupid and pointless such a game truly is.

          Grow up.

          • Grow up? I’m not the one who has written like 20 comments defending a fictional character in an internet article.

            Is it really that difficult for you to understand that not all the people have the same opinion?

            Grow up.

            • Actually, for the most part, I was defending the idea that no person should be saying one hero or comic is absolutely better than the other, since opinion (no matter how strongly stated or heartfelt) is just that…opinion.

              Also, yes, I DO understand that not all people have the same opinion; hence, the reaction to “that’s a no-brainer” and “no doubt about”.

              I stand by what I said.

  5. Superman Returns was awful, Superman wasn’t challenged at all and that is what fans want to see. When we think of Superman we think of the fight with Doomsday and anything short of an epic fight will not play anymore. Also, Snyder didn’t dis Thor, he was saying that a little known character like Thor (who isn’t well known outside of comic book fans, this was the same thing said about Iron man in 2008) has his own movie and one of the most recognizable icons in the world doesn’t have a movie. Superman and Batman are different than other Comic Books, in that they have become worldwide icons and they don’t really share the history of Silver and Bronze age comics but more like Zorro, King Arthur and James Bond books. Marvel only really has Captain America, and he is an American icon, where Superman and Batman have captured the world’s imagination. It wasn’t a dis, but fanboys will overreact and talk s*** about Snyder now, even though he has proven to be a more than capable if not visionary filmaker.

    • Wasn’t challanged?

      • Yeah, they had the weird Kryptonite-Island and he struggled to catch a plane. Fans want to see him go fisticuffs with Darkseid or Doomsday or battle Metallo and Braniac or another Kryptonian.

        • Struggled being the key word there, I’d say there was some challenge. Haha

          But I do agree he needs some better movie villains

        • Yes, because Superman is all about fighting.

          • Don’t get me wrong, Superman should fight with his brain not his fists. But if they’d give a villain like Metallo, I wouldn’t be against a couple punches.

            However, I don’t want him beating people up the whole movie.

            • But some people do. All they want is super powered action. Smallville has shown for years how deep the character of Clark Kent can, of course there should be some epic battles, but do people love Nolan’s Batman films because of the fighting?

              • I know some people do. And I’ve heard so many people that’s why they isn’t like Returns. Which is really dumb.

                • i admit TDK could of used more scenes of batman. and yes that is what the average movie goer wants to see super man doing amazing things kicken asses and taking names. i thought the hand to hand scenes in tdk could have been more lengthy and elaberate. but this batmans fighting style is about disarming his opponent and taking him down hard and fast. i want to see what would happen when somones a challege for him. and i would like to see that in superman to i want to see him flying through buildings flying using his heat vision while going super speed head on against his enemy and watching the craters the impact creates. superman should be used to his full potential just like batman.

              • @DSM I think that you can have a thoughtful Superman movie that involves showing how powerful he actually is. He can have a game of mental chess with Darkseid culminating in a fight of epic proportions that would stay true to the comics. The idea that he has to only use his mind to fight Luthor because he could tear him in half has been explored in three of the five movies, and I am a huge fan of Superman 1 & 2 and I love the character, but they can have a movie that involves a storyline like the recent War of the Supermen that would be amazing because it would not only explore his heritage as a transplanted Kryptonian but his powers, which are Godlike and I feel that Singer’s version didn’t do enough to show that. I am not saying that the whole movie needs to be like the death of Superman comic, non stop violence and action, but I would like to see him with an actual equal physically as well as mentally. Darkseid would be the best fit for this in my opinion.

    • I would say Spider-Man is about as well known as Batman.

    • @Adam B, yeah, I’m a Marvel guy and I didn’t see that as a dis to Thor either. D.C. just doesn’t really know where to go with Superman because times have changed and they really don’t know what sort of tone would work for a proper Superman movie TODAY. I loved “Watchmen” but the uber-realistic tone may not translate well for Superman.

      • I agree, I am a DC guy myself but I read Marvel books because they have great stories. I have a problem with those fanboys that have to make it a DC v. Marvel thing each time and this comment feeds that even though he was not dissing Thor. I think that Superman is one of the most difficult characters to write because he is so old, he is almost a period character because his moral compass doesn’t shift and that is what we love about him in the comics, but in today’s world a more morally ambiguous character like Batman or Iron Man plays better in theaters.

  6. I think you’re overeacting to his Thor comment. I don’t think he was dissing it as much as he was just making the comparison that a lot of other superheroes have had films made in recent years and not Superman (well, since 2006) and Thor just happens to be the most recent.

    • Come on. Listen to the audio. I don’t think he fires a deep, cutting insult at Thor or anything, but the idea of Thor being a movie and not Superman — when Superman had a film five years ago — is laughable to him. Frankly, having seen two quality Superman films, I would prefer to see a quality Thor. Not so with Zack Snyder.

      • I agree he meant to lay one across Thor’s chin.

    • I agree. He’s just saying Supes is one of the more well known superheroes when compared to Thor and Thor’s getting a proper big screen treatment yet Superman is MIA (well not after next year lol)

  7. Look Zack, Supes has had 5 movies with another on the way. This his Thor’s very first appearence on film. Give the rivalries a break, will you, buddy?

    • There were at least 2 Thor movies on TV

      • TV movies don’t count. And to my knowledge, you are wrong. There has only been one live action adaptation of the MARVEL character of Thor as TV movie spin off with the Incredible Hulk TV show.

  8. I love THOR in Adventures in Babysitting (Vincent D’Onofrio)…

  9. I do kinda take offense to the Thor comments…Theyve had every chance in the world to get Superman right. Its not the comics fans fault that most hollywood directors are douches who were more into art and filmmaking in school then comics lol.

  10. Was he really dissing Thor? Or was he just saying something like, “I can’t believe this character’s getting a (cool) movie and Superman had the Quest for Peace…”? :D

    • Yeah I agree with you. He wasn’t calling Thor stupid or anything, he was just making the comparison between movies. I like Thor but I wasn’t upset with his comment.

      • * I meant ‘and’ not ‘but’ in that last sentence.

    • Co-Sign

  11. Thor has a far more compelling story than Superman.

    Looking forward to both films.

    • How is it a more compelling story? Superman is a classic story and origin that have stood the test of almost 90 years of history. Thor is cool, I am a DC fan but I can admit that Thor is a cool character, but to say that Superman isn’t a compelling story is BS frankly.

      • 73 years is not almost 90 years.
        Thor, on the other hand, has a history dating 1000+ years.

        • 1000+ years but not the comic book character. We aren’t talking about the Norse mythology we are talking about the comic book character. He has only been in comics for about forty years and there is a difference.

  12. I think you’re taking the Thor comment out of context. I think he was just making the comparison of how many other superheroes have had films made in the past couple years and not Superman (well, since 2006) and Thor just happens to be the most recent upcoming comic book movie. He probably would have used Green Hornet, Captain America, or Green Lantern if either of those were coming out before Thor.

    • Agreed…people need to relax I have faith Cap. America, Green Lantern, Thor and Superman: Man of Steel are gonna be amazing. Fanboys just look for a reason to look for flame bait. Glad hear Zack Snyder is doing his best to please Supe fans.

  13. “The last time Thor was seen in a movie theater was The Adventures of Babysitting.”

    And yet, that movie theater appearance was infinitely preferably to Superman’s last movie theater appearance.

    • For you…not for everyone.

  14. I can’t really write a comment here as Vic would delete it and I would be banned (even though I would be resurrected like Superman after being killed by Doomsday).
    But I will try.
    It doesn’t matter how many times in the past I have said Snyder is the wrong person for this film, people always jump up to defend him, Watchmen was great but are his other films good enough to justify this apparent blind faith? Hardly.
    While, his comments above seem out of context, the Thor thing is a nothing, he wasn’t dissing it at all, his comments regarding Superman are clear.
    He has no clue whatsoever about Superman. He doesn’t understand the character, all he talks about is how the character hasn’t worked in the past (fairly certain Superman Returns grossed more than any of his films, probably more than all of his films combined!), but has nothing to say on he will change that other than vague notions about making cool, realistic, and full of fighting.
    Well woo bloody hoo.
    That shows a deep understanding of The Man Of Steel.
    I am a huge fan of Superman, a lot of people aren’t, because they think he is a square and not cool compared to an edgier character like Batman. Well, if that’s the case then you’re probably going to get the movie you want.
    Anyone who is a fan, and appreciates who Superman is and what he represents, is likely to greviously disapponted.

    • Man DrSam!!! Haha. You’re points are good and I want to smack you because you make me feel like I shouldn’t be excited for this. But I’m not giving up! I will go see this and once it’s over, then I’ll make my decision ;)

      • If you think he will provide a good film then I can’t convince you otherwise, I can only write what I think is right.

        • I know, and believe it or not, you’re probably the one commentor who’s opinion I actually listen to.

          I agree with what you said in that novel of a comment ;) but I’ve also been waiting for another Superman movie for a while, and I’m not going to give up on it until I see the final product. It might be amazing, it might be the biggest peice of garbage ever. I won’t know until I see it though… :)

          • Nor will I. And I still can’t wait to get a glimpse of Cavill in the costume, or hearing about the villains. But I have an image of Superman in my head, and this doesn’t sound anything like it. This is a character that has hardly changed in 80 years. Zack Snyder and David Goyer think they can make him better. And because of that, they have both missed the point of Superman. He endures.

            • I agree DrSamBeckett, he ENDURES and needs NO tinkering, just a good movie. Everything is already there, hell he’s lasted this long, he’s the greatest comic book character of all time IMO. Edgy was never what Supes was about, he gives one hope that they can always be better. I’m still excited about this though lol, and will DEFINITELY go see it if I see anything.

            • You raise a very good point!

        • I still have hope the film won’t suck.

          • I doubt it will “suck”. It might not be the great Superman moor we’ve all been waiting for, but I’m sure it will be entertaining ;)

    • DSM I have been reading this site for years and always appreciate your comments. I disagree with you though because I believe that Snyder will not only do a good job but mix what casual and hardcore Man of Steel fans love about the character. Superman Returns grossed about $300M worldwide while “300″ made over $450M, and with his other movies he has grossed well over $600M at the box office. I am excited for this reboot and I think that Nolan and Snyder will capture the iconic stature of the character.

      • SR made $391 million. Doubled it’s budget. That’s not including DVD sales, it was not a commercial failure and was well reviewed.

        • SR cost $270 million (not counting advertising) and only made $200 million domestic. In the studios’ eyes, it doesn’t matter what it made worldwide if it didn’t make its budget back and then some domestically.

          • I read Singer quoted a budget of $205mil himself on its release, and the other $60mil or so was lingering from prior false starts. Still, $205mil is just nuts.

            I think you’re simplifying the case regarding domestic and worldwide receipts. I’ve read annual reports from WB and Dreamworks referencing break-even points based on worldwide revenue. ROI is measured on a global scale today.

        • You are right it made $371M but it cost $270M to produce like Ben Moore stated and that is not including a huge blitzkrieg of marketing that had to run into the $50-100M territory. The President of Warner Bros. talked about it not making enough to justify bringing Singer back with the rest of the cast and that if it had made $500-600M they would have moved forward with it but that it had disappointed with the box office.

    • Vic, seriously, give DrSam a weekly column. Please.

      • Thanks :)

  15. I agree, it is odd that Thor is being made before a new Superman movie. But Singer did frak up Superman Returns.. I just hope Zack Snyder can get this right.

  16. I read headline and my heart leaped because I thought it was the announcement that Snyder was leaving Superman.
    You know: “Superman is broken – and I’m done with him!”

  17. DocSam,

    I am a fan of the blue boy scout, but I am willing to give this film a chance. I do agree that what Snyder has shown so far is a lack of understanding of what makes Superman great. This being said, I am trying my hardest to believe that this will be a great flick… Call me naive, haha.

    • Ultimately Snyder is only one half of the problem. Goyer’s script is still an issue. I still don’t think the guy who wrote Batman should have written Superman.
      A great director can do wonders with bad writing, and a bad director can be held up by great writing. But what happens if you get neither.
      I can’t know how this film will turn out, but as a fan of the tight wearing boy scout, I don’t like what I hear.

      • At least we have Cap-A? Haha the OTHER blue tight wearing boyscout.

      • That’s really the reason why I’ve (kinda) been defending Snyder. Because he’s only directing. And while David S. Goyer is a good writer… well this might be a little “dark”.

        But then again, Superman is supposed to be “the light”. So if he is in a “dark” world, but he himself stays “light”, then I think this could really work.

        • I don’t think it will necessarily be ‘dark’ but he’s the wrong writer for this project.

      • ok so , about the script did you read it Doc, cause I heard there was aaproblem with the script early on that the third act falls apart where it does in most movies, but I also read that it wasnt an issue. I have also read amoung a couple of sources that no one has seen the script except for a very select few and that any info out there is untrue cause they where still reworking the script and that it has never been finalized., so which did you read? just curious Id like to peruse it, considering I think my script is pretty epic in its own right, maybe I can lend them a hand, LMAO

        • I never said I had read the script. I can only comment on the reports I have heard, and if you read my long comment (in which the script was not mentioned) you might be able to understand my feelings on the matter.

          • Doc , I read all your ranting I find it intresting to say the least and I understand your bone with Superman, its sort of like the bone I have with Xmen: first Decision , being a giant turd that should be set on fire and layed on Singers door step. That said my complaints are directed not at the director whom im sure did his best, but at the project itself for being a complete farce of a movie.

  18. We should remember too, that Thor DID appear in the Incredible Hulk tv Series, though it maybe have been a tv movie more likely, pretty bad, though not as bad as that “Daredevil.

    • yes you are correct it was a tv movie, and Thor wore alot of fur

  19. First, the Thor comment is being over-analyzed here. If I wouldn’t have read the title of this article I would never have taken his comment as a dissing at all. What is this becoming, DrudgeRant? :-p

    Second, Im starting to think maybe poster DSB might be seeing this in the correct light – regarding the Superman movie and Snyder. I love Snyder’s Watchmen and 300, they were nothing short of great imo. But Im sensing a big disconnect between what the character stands for and Snyder’s general outlook. When he said it would be his most realistic without offering up an explanation all I’m able to gleen from that is he sees Superman as less than the awesome icon he represents.

    We’ll all see, in the end. Hopefully he does it right, but even this whole reboot but not a remake, young Superman angle isnt even the right way to get a good Superman story off the ground. We had 10 years of Smallville, we had numerous Superman movies already. Christopher Reeves’ first one was magical.

    This whole thing now seems nothing like more than the Studio trying to do a quick cash-in and once Nolan saw what was happening he bailed, now Snyder is trying to make heads or tales of how to proceed with what he has to work with and he barely has a grasp on who Superman really is. Sorry, doesnt bode well.

    • Correct. Thanks.

  20. I’m not one to take screenrant articles and criticize them but, seriously that Thor comment could be totally taken out of context. Truth be known that Superman *is* the ultimate superhero. I don’t think he was dissing as much saying that it is weird in a day of super hero comic films, Thor is getting a badass treatment and Supes hasn’t yet.

  21. It doesn’t matter if Snyder’s Superman is good or bad, everyone is going to watch it.

    • like they went to see Watchmen.

      • success,

        Watchmen is nothing close to Superman. People didn’t go see it because they had no clue what the movie was about. I’m 29 and I have always loved comics but 15 of my friends had no clue about it until the movie came out. Is there anyone out there who has never heard of Superman? Billions of people never heard of Watchmen.

  22. you know i didnt even read anyone elses comments before i put up my post. i will go back and read. anyways i think this movie will bring superman back to the big screen in a great way. i have faith that nolan and snyder will do something great. superman is by far the best and strongest hero ever. i am a fan of both marvel and dc but no one beats superman. he is the most deserving of the best of the best. and i think that snyder wasnt trying so much as to diss thor but say you know he has got a movie that looks great and its been so long since supes has that kind look or feel that you know does him that kind of justice. its just that the godfather and hero of heros is the most misunderstood and misrepresented one of them all and others get movies and do really well.

  23. That would be cool if Superman learned Kryptonian martial arts, I forgot the names.

  24. Didn’t Supes just have a 200 million dollar plus movie come out not too long ago that was hyped and promoted to the heavens? Anybody remember that? That was definitely a diss from Snyder and totally uncalled for. No reason to get mad but it was still unnecessary for him to say that while there still seems to be so much doubt over the prospects of his own interpretation of Superman.

    • A $250M dollar budget and a $295M dollar return is hardly an accomplishment and actually after marketing can be considered by the studio as a total bomb. It wasn’t a diss it was just a comment on the fact that the greatest and most iconic hero of them all, and yes Superman is the most iconic, doesn’t have a movie but Thor does. Outside of comics Thor is relatively unknown, while Superman’s Shield is one of the most recognizable symbols in the world, up their with the likes of the Golden Arches of McDonalds and Coca-Cola.

      • Yes, I know Supes is the greatest super hero ever, my point though was that there was a huge effort put forward not too long ago to bring The Man of Steel to the big screen. It was not very successful but it’s not like he hasn’t had a shot at the big screen or been ignored altogether, whether it was good or not. So I take Snyder’s comment as an insult considering that this is going to probably be the first time a lot of people have even heard of Marvel’s Thor. What’s so ironic about him getting a movie? And most importantly we don’t even know if Thor is going to be any good, it looks like it, but you never really know until you actually see the movie. He should keep his mouth on his own character if he has nothing nice to say.

        • That’s the thing, though: He said NOTHING about “Thor” other than the timing of its release in relation to a Superman film…

      • I’m pretty sure SR continued to a worldwide gross nearly 2x it’s production cost. That said, a $200M budget is just crazy, even for Supes. I read somewhere that part of that was other delays in production the years prior to release, but I don’t have any confirming source.

        But overall, it’s hard to say that SR was not successful financially (creatively – sure). Putting it in perspective, it did about as well as Legends of the Guardians, and far better than Watchmen. Snyder’s only real massive success was 300.

        • Dawn of the Dead had a $28M budget and made over $100M
          300 had a $70M budget and made $456M
          Watchmen had a $130M budget and made $185M
          Legend of the Guardians had a $80M budget and made $140M

          All his movies return on their investment and the reason that Watchmen didn’t make more money was that it may have stuck to close to the comic and alienated regular audiences.

          • Yeah – I didn’t think of Dawn because I considered it a low-budget flick, but you’re right that one did well comparatively.

            I said Legend was comparative success to SR – which even your numbers show.

            • Ya sorry I misread that last part.

  25. Loved The Adventures of Babysitting, lol.

  26. There is nothing wrong with what Snyder said. In fact, he’s dead on. Superman needs a great film to make up for the past 15 years or however long he’s been without a truly great movie. And we all know how Marvel is treating characters these days. They’re just spitting out movies to cash in.

  27. Snyder does like that word “like”, doesn’t he?

    • He is an individual of limited vocabulary.

      • He was exactly the same talking about Frank Miller’s Xerxes: sounded like an illiterate 12-year-old on a sugar rush.

  28. Stuff like this just makes me angery. How r u gonna call out a character who has NEVER seen a big screen when ur’s has seen it so many times that “Supe Fans” know what to expect by the previews. Dont throw another movie under the bus to make ur’s hot. If the Man Of Steele is any good then we will see on DECEMBER OF 20 FREAKIN 12. For now though we just have to wait untill May 6th to see the if the God is any good.

    -FOR ASGARD

  29. I’ve been meaning to pose this question on here for a while. Here goes.

    Do any of you think that the success of Sucker Punch will determine the fate of Snyder and this project? By no means am I saying that Man of Steel will be cancelled, but do you guys think that WB would consider replacing him. I mean, 300 was just a piece of action fluff, Watchmen tanked at the box office and the Legend of the Guardians movie didn’t do too well either. If general moviegoers (remember these are the people the studios are trying to bring in. Kofi had that great article the other day) see the Man of Steel trailer and see “from the director of Sucker Punch and Watchmen” people might groan a little bit depending on how well Sucker Punch does. I doubt they would replace him but you never know.

    I do agree with Dr. Sam about the choice of Snyder directing because he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who combines substance with style. I am however willing to give this movie a chance. I mean, Peter Jackson did Meet the Feebles before Lord of the Rings and he turned out OK, right?

    • But Peter Jackson’s passion for LOTR was obvious from the get go. Snyder doesn’t seem to care very much about Superman.

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