‘Man of Steel’ Director Says DC’s Heroes Are ‘Purer’ Than Marvel’s – Do You Agree?

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With Man of Steel on the horizon, it’s hard to believe that there was ever a time when Superman was something to be laughed at or doubted. Zack Snyder’s reboot of the “king-daddy” of all superheroes is back with a chip on his shoulder, and already more anticipated by audiences than Marvel’s metallic front man.

That’s no surprise to Snyder, since he claims this is Superman’s world; we’re all just living in it. Including Marvel’s characters who have prospered in his absence.

Brief samples of Snyder’s interview with SFX Magazine spoke to how different his approach to every facet of Superman would be, from a more ‘violent’ flight to a crumbling Kryptonian empire. Now that the full interview has made its way online, the director’s clear preference for DC Comics’ heroes is sure to get some tongues wagging.

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Snyder was specifically asked how he hopes to bring something new and meaningful to a genre already dominated by the likes of Iron Man, Thor, and now the collected talents of The Avengers.

Not one to mince words, Snyder made his views on the current slate of Marvel’s heroes clear, and how he hopes Man of Steel will remind everyone which comic book character it was that started an entire medium:

“It’s Superman. If you get it right he’s kinda transcendent. The Superman shield is the second most recognisable symbol on planet Earth other than the Christian cross.”

“If you get it right, that’s the question you’ll be asking everyone else. That should be the question you’re asking Iron Man and Thor. How is it that you feel you can be making a superhero movie in a world where Superman and Batman exist?”

So what does Snyder make of the distinction (thus far) between Marvel’s more fantastic and ‘adventure’ superhero films, and the grounded, more contemplative likes of The Dark Knight? Anyone doubting that the two movie universes (one established, the other budding) are entirely divorced need look no farther than DC and Warner Bros.’ attempts to follow Marvel’s formula with their own Green Lantern (2011), resulting in nothing but embarrassment.

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That comes as no surprise to Snyder, since he sees DC’s most iconic heroes as existing on a completely different level from those currently enjoying the biggest box office takes:

“They truly are purer archetypes…They’re literally Biblical. If you get the DC characters right, they can be important, they can be about us. It’s not just a romp. That’s the fun, for me, of working on this movie. We got that it was important. We weren’t apologising for Superman, which I feel has happened in the past. It’s Superman, for God’s sake. He’s a thing to be celebrated.”

It’s not hard to see what Snyder is getting at, especially when considering Bryan Singer’s Superman Returns (2006). Singer has since explained that his take on Superman may have been a bit too romantic and nostalgic for much of his audience, but that doesn’t seem to be what Snyder is driving at.

Given what we’ve seen of Snyder’s take on Superman – in numerous promotional images and the latest action-packed trailer – a Singer-esque shot of a room full of reporters going doe-eyed or swooning over Superman seems ridiculous. Singer’s spit-curled Superman may have cracked a smile and shook his head whilst flying away from awestruck crowds, but Snyder’s is a whole different animal.

We’re inclined to think that DC fans will be glad to finally hear their own thoughts echoed by Snyder, but we’re sure Marvel fans would disagree. Either way, we can’t wait to see what Snyder will say if he actually gets to direct Justice League.

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Man of Steel will be in theaters on June 14th, 2013.

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Source: SFX (via Man of Steel Community Page)

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  1. Absolutely agree, at least if we’re talking about DC heroes as they’re traditionally represented.

    This doesn’t necessarily mean that DC is BETTER per se (that’s a different discussion”.

    But yes, DC heroes are much more likely to be referred to as “idols” than Marvel heroes, and that is at least in part due to the purity inherent in their characters and stories.

    • With the exception of characters like Captain America. DC characters are traditionally represented as morally “pure” and Marvel characters have some grey areas. Like, you know Wolverine is typically a good guy, but he did all these horrible things. Whereas Batman also has a tragic past but he never killed anyone. You can put DC characters on a pedestal you can’t typically put Marvel heroes on with the exception of Cap.

  2. DC Universe FTW!!

  3. He didnt say they were better…he said they more archetypal and hes right.
    Marvel heroes have all been more humanistic and almost all rely on science fiction.
    For dc its-
    Superman- martyr/the super man
    Batman- noir detective
    Wonder Woman- greek/roman myth
    Aquaman- royal king
    Green lantern- space knight

    • and for marvel
      Ironman- engineer
      Hulk- scientist
      Thor- norse legend
      Captain America- (slightly) super soldier
      Wolverine- mutant/soldier
      Spiderman- scientist

      less archtypal.

  4. The “Biblical” comparison hits the nail on the head!

    I would add that in Superman’s case its basically a wonderful blend of Biblical and classic mythological themes, and that makes for a very compelling story.

  5. I would say Marvel as their Superheroes are more ‘Superhero-ish’ to me instead of DC’s, who have always seemed to have more realistic and grounded heroes than they had truly ‘Superhero-ish’ Superhero’s.

    Did i just invent a new word in ‘Superhero-ish’?!

    • Don’t people normally say the opposite: That Marvel’s heroes are more ‘grounded’ or whatnot?

      • Yeah people usually complain that dc is unrealistic

      • It depends on which era we are talking about and the context of what is realistic in that comic book character’s mythology.

        At the beginning the modern DC had Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman (among others) while Marvel was making more fantasy stories and then adopting superheroes such as Captain America, the android Human Torch, and Namor the Sub Mariner. Both sides were relatively grounded in comparison to their more iconic, modern counterparts.

        DC heroes were directly tied to a realistic world in the sense that while fantastical these characters dealt with problems plaguing that era such as the need of social reforms and urban crimes. When America became involved with WWII the characters also dealt with it and that is where Marvel’s heroes came to light and fight.

        With the controversy surrounding comic books after the War, Marvel stopped publishing and DC more or less continued. However DC began to make the stories less grounded and less serious in order to stay in a safe zone. Marvel focused on monster stories. As DC had some continued success Marvel entrusted Stan Lee to come up with a team of heroes to challenge their rival’s Justice Society of America. Thus, the Fantastic Four was born.

        (Note that if anything were to occur Marvel can say that that the FF was actually a monster comic strip rather than heroes.)

        The Silver Age then began as Stan Lee redefined the genre for a new age that was mature, nuanced, and socially relevant. DC brought back some older character and revitalized them with new science fiction back ground, such Green Lantern and the Flash, but continued the campy and goofy nature that would come to define DC characters for a time (60′s BATMAN) and for some almost up to this day (AQUAMAN).

        It was simple. Stan Lee went back to the basics of why comic books became popular at the beginning. Stan Lee and various other talented story tellers, such as Jack Kirby and Steve Dikto and more, aimed to make their characters relatable no matter how fantastic their origins and adventure may be. The character’s were directly tied to many real world stories: nuclear radiation, advancement in technology, the space race, racism and prejudice, and more. Marvel went to what made Superman and Batman relevant and needed but replaced the goodness escapism for a bit of a Greek Tragedy.

        But things change. As time went on and the decades passed, more cynical and darker stories were being brought out such as Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns. All of this stemming from what most consider the end of the Silver Age: the death of Gwen Stacy and the question of whether or not Spider-Man could have saved her or actually the cause of her demise.

        Heroes like the Wolverine and Punisher were becoming the favorites. Marvel’s stories then became more science fiction offering time travel, alternate universes, etc- concepts the come to define DC and their infinite crisis. As Marvel began increasing the scale and becoming more fantastical, DC sort of had a wake up call with Watchmen and TDKR and opted to dial back their stories and be more relative and relatable.

        DC then asked the question if heroes such as Wolverine and Punisher are what were really needed and wanted by the world by killing of Superman and crippling Batman and replacing both of their two top-tier heroes with more deadly, violent, darker heroes. It sufficed to say that these stories shocked the world.

        Modern day both companies have been making overhauls to their respective universes. Marvel has been playing chess with their characters by having big events to happen and ultimately changing the status quot of their properties. DC had a somewhat reboot with their properties that tried to go back more or less to the basics.

        Marvel is now currently much more fantastical with DC aiming to be more grounded and relatable. Marvel is trying new things to keep readers, while DC is changing some fundamental to gain readers. Ironic given the history of both companies.

        Marvel’s heroes were treated realistic despite the origins or adventures being more fantasy. Radioactive spiders give people powers? Gamma rays will make people Hulks? DC were easily explained with simple fundamentals, owing the powers and stories of their heroes to mythology and fantastical concepts of aliens and magic etc. Both sides are updating to make their character’s origins work in modern context but Marvel is seeking to make the scale grandeur while DC is dialing back and trying to treat their characters realistically.

        They Switched Roles.

  6. I vote DC, but that doesn’t mean I like DC right now. They have the potential to be amazing characters and have been so in the past, but DC’s current climate is terrible for the vast majority of characters.

    • I agree. DC really screwed up in the last few years.

  7. Snyder’s been known to hate on Marvel… one of the reasons I don’t like him.
    Honestly, I just hope all the movies are good.

    • Also, why do we have to choose?

      Can anyone here honestly say that they want all their movies dark and realistic? Or all their movies lighthearted and fun? – because imo that makes for some boring entertainment. Variety is the spice of life…

      Last year I watched The Avengers and had a fantastic time – a month or two later, I watched The Dark Knight Rises and had a whole other type of a fantastic time. I plan on doing the same this year.

      • ABsolutely agree….cant believe even IM 3 went slightly dark…cmon man

      • Plus 1. It’s stupid to have to choose. You can have a preference, but how couldn’t you like both.

        • I’ve been saying that all along, for years!

        • +1! I do enjoy Batman (he’s my childhood hero for Pete’s sake), but I also like the X-men. I can’t choose and I’d rather not.

      • +1

        I want them all to succeed.

      • Agree. It’s nice to have a mix.

      • Yes I agree.

        I find it not so coincidental that his makes this statement on the US opening week of IM3.

        GL failed badly because WB tired to make Hal Jordan a RDJ Stark and did so in a half a– way. It was not the Marvel Formula that failed them.

        I like hero’s from both sides and comic writers have often written for both companies. Getting on a high horse about forms of entertainment seems very childish.

        This just seems like Fanboy baiting. Here, I’ll do some as well, Star-Trek is better than Star Wars, D&D is better than Warhammer, Big Bad Beatle Borgs is far better than Power Rangers.

      • I loved both companies. Honestly as of late I have some preference for DC but that is because of Netflix ;)
        One can have preference but that does not diminish that ultimately one can love both Marvel and DC comics plus others. The films can go either way at this point.
        Just because a film has such character or such tone does not automatically spell success or doom for this character. It all has to boil down to story, direction, actors, and production.
        Iron Man and the Avengers are my favorite from Marvel Studios but the tone could not be any more different. Each film of the Nolan Batman Trilogy is different in tone, mood, look, etc.
        Especially with similar films coming up, some difference is necessary.

        Either way, Marvel and DC are both different. Neither side has to emulate the other. Nor does one have to truly make distinctive feel to the rival company. Just do what makes sense in the context.

    • I totally agree, they’re two completely different experiences. Comic book movies wouldn’t be the same without one of the two.

    • @Archer

      I do not know of other cases in which Snyder has hinted or outright stated that he hated Marvel, but I did not take these statements as hating Marvel.

      Too me he just seems excited for his film and hopeful that is a Superman film that will give the fans what they want. Beyond that Snyder seems hopeful that the film will change negative opinions of the Man of Steel that has been plaguing him lately and put him back on the map in the cinematic world and popular culture.

      Also, his comments did not seem to hate on Marvel but rather if the DC characters are done right, and delved deep in to their essence (a purer archetype) than DC can have a bunch of films that will successively compete with Marvel Studios. It was mostly a response to how does it feel making such film dominated by the Avengers.

      Honestly if anything it just shows how much he is excited for his project and what it might bring in the future (maybe?). If he has a preference, it does not really affect me if as long it helps competition and more good (better) films are the result.

      • Well I meant @ Avenger

        Oh well now everyone is going to think I like talking to myself lol

        • Ha. This made me LOL at work!

  8. If the characters are so biblical how come only two of them have had success on the big screen?

    • Jesus and Moses?

    • 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.

  9. I agree with Zack 100%. He believes what he says
    thus making him the ideal director for Man Of Steel.

  10. Unfortunately, most of the voters will vote Marvel just because of the movies…not the comic books…

    • Spot on.

      • Absolutely.

    • I’m voting Marvel because of the comic books rather than the movies. Marvel characters are more fleshed out, so to speak, and make them easier for the reader to feel a connection with. I have a collection of >1400 comics, and the vast majority are Marvel… with some Dark Horse thrown in as well. The only DC character I have enjoyed is Batman, and that’s because of the movies and ’90s cartoon to tell the truth (Mark Hamill is epic).

      • “and that’s because of the movies and ’90s cartoon to tell the truth”

        Aren’t you just validating the above statement of judging by adaptations rather than the original comics?

        There are a lot of enjoyable DC characters besides Batman. Try Green Arrow. Or the Green Lantern books. Or The Flash. Or Booster Gold. Or the old JSA books. Just for starters.

    • Put me down as another who voted Marvel based on comic reading experience.

      Currently DC is higher which is shocking to me. I grew up preferring Marvel, although I read my share of DC stories.

      • @ Nostelg-O the question is worded funny. I think DC has the better Superheroes overall… but i still prefer reading marvel. The question isn’t who is better DC or Marvel. Personally… I prefer Marvel… but ask me who has better superheroes? DC. Definitely. Justice League vs. these current Avengers would be laughable.

        • I’m just saying I grew up preferring Marvel, and overall I prefer the characters. DC seemed so straight-laced and kind of goody-goody way back then. That said, I read a lot of DC, or frankly any comic I could get my grubby mitts on (Archie, Richie Rich, etc.). I remember enjoying Flash, GL and any and all the rest, even Superboy. Overall I think DC consistently had more solid artwork, but Marvel often surpassed that with a lot of flash.

          I do consider DC’s hero’s to be more pure, but that’s not necessarily always a good thing.

          I love the DK series, and I’m hoping for a great MOS. But I’m not counting my chickens. I’m actually floored that Marvel has been able to make Thor and even CA. IMO if Marvel had the rights to Spider-man and X-men, and FF we’d have been treated to a constant sting of movies of only them, with occasional reboots and shelving of the material (so we might not have had a lot of the movies in the first place). That Marvel doesn’t have the rights, and the other studios having the use-or-loose-it clauses, is what has given us most of these movies, including MOS and talk of JL.

  11. ABSOLUTELY DC IS BETTER ! They Just Gotta Make Better Films & Im Hoping MAN OF STEEL SMASHES ALL COMP !!

  12. besides batman, DC superheroes are lame. and superman is truly one of the worst superheroes of all time. wow hes invincible and has to act stupidly for there to be any conflict. plus theyre all gods or from other dimensions or whatever. marvel superheroes are mutants or accidents, they’re more realistic and look a lot better too.

    • Blah marvel copied a lot if dc so start to recognize who owns who.

      • That pendulum swings both ways…

    • “besides batman, DC superheroes are lame.” An illiterate opinion parroted around the internet by Marvel fans and casual readers for no other reason than to get ‘nerd cred’ and look ‘kewl’.

      Tellme, how many DC comics titles have you actually read to come to that opinion? Or are you judging based on the movies?

      • Yeah, pretty dumb….I really just started getting into comics so I started with DC’s New 52. Batman, Aquaman, Justice League, Green Lantern, Nightwing, and Superman are all pretty awesome characters.

    • Clearly you’ve never read any superman comics

    • one example-The Flash became The Flash from an accident in a lab, Green Arrow has no superpowers. Cyborg was created in an accident (new 52). Marvel has its far share of Gods and Inter-dimensional characters too. ie Thor

  13. Oh brother…………

    • WOW if this isn’t where DC fans come to slobber all over each other then I dont know where else such a place would excist.. GOOD JOB screenrant! The DC slappy’s need their own special place because it is CERTAINLY NOT IN THE THEATRES, It must be hard to only get your hands greasy over a cartoon! BUT once every 5 years or so you guys get a half assed written character with a substandard plot to really get you guys all slippery….But dont be sad you will have a new Ep. of your favorite animated hero out next week!!!

      • The only guy slobbering here is you. Slobbering with ignorance, hatred and egotism. Have the decency to actually know what you’re talking about.

      • Sorry but your dreamscape is about to collapse. Your latest movie sucked iron man.

        • so rotten tomatoe give it over 75 and it grosses 300 million in its first week oversees and that’s bad to you?

  14. Ok, when a Director starts mixing comic book heroes and Biblical canon, I tend to avoid those types of comparisons.

    Comic Book and Religion do not mix, you start putting the two together, you alienate lot of people.

    • Well, we only see Superman as a newborn, then once when he’s in adolescence, and then all of a sudden he’s a 30 year old man accepting his mission.

      The Christ allusions have always been there. I don’t think it’s alienating anyone to say that Superman is a ‘Christ-like’ figure. Obviously don’t want to offend anyone, but still.

      • @ Andrew Dyce

        However, the religions that do not follow Christianity may be turned off by the comparison. This is fodder, and people would exploit.

        I never viewed Superman as Christ Like in any of his abilities, nor God like in anyway. His Powers are not infinite, they are finite.

        • Superman is not Christ. His story only MIRRORS similar biblical stories of Jesus Christ and Moses. Moses can be considered more of Hebrew figure than Christian, if anything.

          Snyder did not make the comparison to actual Christ. Other films and works have made that connection already. Snyder said that the characters were “Biblical” as in “purer archetypes”. Many view as stories of the Bible, Quran, etc as philosophical, moral literature not unlike mythological stories such as the Illiad, the Odyssey, King Arther, Beowulf, Shakespeare.

          THIS IS NOT SAY THAT THE BIBLE OR QURAN OR ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS TEXT IS ANY LESS IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF BELIEF OR FAITH. Only that the stories in the Bible, for example, can be seen and are usually read as moral lessons. Usually such stories utilize archetypes that are abundantly clear in execution in order to make the stories clear and relatable and relevant.

          The terms Biblical has a direct correlation to Purer Archetypes in the sense that Superman and some of his DC counterparts are usually direct and clear.He did not mean “literally Biblical” as they are literal counterpart figures from the Bible, but rather that the character are literary archetypes such that of the Biblical figures.

          There is a reverence to these characters but not religious reverence which is what you seem to be understanding; it is reverence that these characters served as the first mold of superheroes when the genre began and have been used by models by every subsequent hero both Marvel and DC and others.

      • I always thought Superman was more in line with Moses, similar to what Michale Ulsan said in a lecture.

    • @ Jeff W

      That is exactly right. The two don’t mix; this may come back to haunt him.

    • I think he was comparing Superman to the story of Christ rather than the religion. Story-wise it’s similar. A man with amazing powers is sent to Earth by his father to help lead the human race and is persecuted by the very people he wants to save. Sounds pretty Christ-like to me.

      • @Christine.

        Superman is in no way comparable to Christ. Period, when you start putting those parallels in, you fail.

        Superman is not to be compared to Christ or God or anything religion in nature, his an alien from another planet.

        He can die, he can bleed and he can hurt. He is not infinite in his powers.

        • That’s why I said he was comparing him to the literary STORY of Christ and NOT the religion. Dude c’mon I think Snyder knows that Superman is not to be taken as a LITERAL Jesus.. No one can deny that the STORIES are similar. Even some of the wording that is used in the comics and Superman movies sounds Biblical. He’s not trying to offend, it’s just a fact that their are some STORYLIKE parallels between the two pieces from a LITERATURE perspective.

          • What F Ing part of you do not Compare the two, dont you get. You do not compare Christ to Superman…or any hero. I do not need religion and comic books to mix.

            • Settle down. Good grief. You can compare the two so get over it. Man wtf.

              • No, you cannot compare the two.

                One is a belief

                One is a fictional Hero from another planet. Billions of people believe in a higher power.

                Everyone knows Superman is fictional.

                • Sooo…Jim Casy from The Grapes of Wrath can’t be a Jesus analog because he’s fictional? Even though that’s precisely how John Steinbeck intended him?

                  • Because Casy was an ex preacher, talking about the divinity of God, creation, man and woman, alpha and omega.

                    Was not compared to God.

                    • So you’re okay with Jesus analogs as long as they fit within your narrow view of what’s acceptable?

                    • I do and can mix religion with my comic books, as is my right to. I firmly believe these characters are our modern myths and thousands of years from now will still exist much like the stories from Greek legend. If Grant Morrison founded a church I’d probably sign up tomorrow.

                • And to me God is fictional, so you can compare.

                • Well if you wanna be like that, I could easily say they’re both fictional! It’s a belief!

                • @Bruce – As a long time Christian, I have to say I think you’re getting bent out of shape for no reason regarding Snyder’s comments. He didn’t pull a Beatles and say “Superman is bigger than Jesus”. He just simply said that the “S” is the 2nd most recognizable symbol in the world, behind the cross.

                  Am I missing something?

                  Paul

            • No one’s mixing anything. There’s nothing wrong with making comparisons. Calm down.

            • No one’s mixing anything. There’s nothing wrong with making comparisons. Calm down.

              • Whoops double posted

                • @Christine: I’m with you, I don’t really think Snyder meant any religious message at all, simply saying that in scope, message, and themes, there are parallels.

                  I don’t really know how someone can say that you CAN’T compare the two – we just did, can continue to, and other great writers and academics have for a long time, especially since Superman IS portrayed without a religious affiliation. He’s an otherworldly savior who wants to show mankind what it can be.

                  No one’s trying to make anyone a Christian here, just noting parallels.

                  @ Jeff: “He can die, he can bleed and he can hurt. He is not infinite in his powers.”

                  ^I genuinely read that at first as you referring to Jesus, but I’m guessing you meant Superman?

                  • They truly are purer archetypes…They’re literally Biblical. If you get the DC characters right, they can be important, they can be about us. It’s not just a romp. That’s the fun, for me, of working on this movie. We got that it was important. We weren’t apologising for Superman, which I feel has happened in the past. It’s Superman, for God’s sake. He’s a thing to be celebrated.”

                    What does this comment from Snyder say, Superman is to be celebrated? As how are we suppose to celebrate him?

                    • Instead of lessening his powers or saying “Well, yeah, he’s this ridiculously powerful superhero, but…”, we should simply enjoy the inspirational, powerful figure that Superman is. That’s how I will celebrate him.

                      I will be happily sitting, fully attentive and excited, in my theater seat come the opening theme and flashing opening images of “Man of Steel” June 14th…or thereabouts.

                    • If it was not for Superman, this whole back and forth going on in this post will not be happening. Superman was the initial spark that led to the evolution of what now exists as the comic-book/super hero genre.

                      He is to be celebrated for this purpose. Nothing Christ-like. Snyder really enjoys the character and understands that just like Superman, all of DC can be unlocked potential if handled just right by focusing the essence of these character and what they mean- their Archetypes, per se.

                      He is not saying that if you do not like him that you have to change your mind once the film comes out, but rather it is about time that Superman is done right on screen for a modern era and that wide audience can now see Superman in a (hopefully) better and more definitive manner.

                    • Superman is a Comic Book Hero. Nothing more, nothing less. He is not a shining light for all.

                      Jesus Christ to some is a beacon of hope, and it who they pray too.

                      If you believe in Jesus or not, he is believed by many.

                      Superman is a fictional hero molded in what people think a Superhero should be.
                      But he is not a God, nor would he be.

                      I like my Comic Book Heroes without religion bought into the mix.

                      And if I offended anyone…Oh well..Get over it. Because I damn sure am not going to apologize. I am just saying. Keep Biblical reference out of comic books, there is no place for it.

                    • Well do not apologize because you are not offending me or others. But we are just saying that is not what Snyder meant or anyone else here meant.

                      So if you tell us to get “over it”, perhaps you should consider the same thing and actually hear what others are saying.

                      Superman is not a religious figure. His story was created to be similar to Moses as was the intention of his creators– two young Jewish kids.

                      Personally I believe in Jesus. I do see echoes in the Superman story between both He and Moses, but that is far from the point.

                      Superman is not to be worshiped as a God but celebrated as the first Super Hero. No one is bringing religion to the book beyond literary analysis and the original intents of Superman’s creators.

                      Stop taking this hard and understand what people are trying to say. Do not worry. No one is going to force their religion on you and no one is definitely going to make you see that Superman is God or that the “S” is on the same scale as the Cross. They are not. But both are recognizable and to some both are a beacon of good things. Beyond that nothing.

                      Do not apologize for your inability to reason or listen. We just do not want you worrying over something that was never stated or hinted at.

            • Calm down. Just because you do not want to compare both than no other person can compare both in a literature manner.

              In that case, no one can compare any work of literature or art or anything in general because they are different altogether?

              Man, you must really hate metaphors, smiles, analogy, or any other literary technique or device in comparing two different topics, characters, themes, etc.

              Just calm down. No one is forcing religion anywhere.

              • @Bruce…..Uh Jesus, bled, was hungry, was thirsty, cursed things, got temper tantrums, was beaten, was afraid, doubted God and yes according to your bible, died. If “YOU” don’t want to compare Jesus to Superman, that is fine BUT that doesn’t make other people not able to do so. To some, Jesus is also a mythological character and has NEVER been proven to exist. Am I saying he didn’t, no but it’s NEVER been proven for a fact. The same story of Jesus and his characteristics can be found in MANY other characters who came WAAAAAY before him within other cultures, just look it up. If you have been offended by a simple mythological character(superhero) that’s meant to be just that, then you may need some help with your faith.

            • http://theactionbible.com/

              Yes, I own this LOL

          • Just adding my support to Christine here. I agree that it’s easy to see the story parallels. This was also something that was talked about since way back in the 50′s when George Reeves was THE Superman everybody knew (in his TV series, ‘Adventures of Superman’). I know, because my mother followed that program closely even though her parents approved because of precisely these comparisons. A lot of people didn’t like how God-like Superman seemed to be.

            • disapproved*

        • Technically God is an Alien too. He wasn’t born on Earth.

          • do we really have to go there???

          • Yeah, He just created it. But like MovieFan said, let’s not go there.

        • I respect that you have faith in a Christian ethos but surely the notion of allegory, fable and parable are things that can be discussed. The history of story-telling in literature, movies and the Bible is replete with “comparisons” that inform our personal and world views.

          When you write “He [Superman] is not infinite in his powers.” I’d certainly agree. However, by implication… God is infinite in his powers? As in omnipotent? So, the corollary question is… Could an omnipotent being actually exist? Or more succinctly, does God exist? As a matter of faith… perhaps. As a matter of logic… At best, God’s existence is incoherent.

          Surely, you’ve heard of “The Paradox of the Stone” or, simply, Can God create a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it? Now, either God can create such a stone or he cannot.

          If he can’t, the argument goes, then there is something that he cannot do, namely create the stone, and therefore he is not omnipotent. If he can, then there is also something that he cannot do, namely lift the stone, and therefore he is not omnipotent.

          Either way, then, God is not omnipotent. A being that is not omnipotent, though, is not God. God, therefore, does not exist.

          I am in no way disputing one’s faith that there is a God… that’s a personal choice. But certainly one must recognize certain inconsistencies in Man’s collective story-telling by way of comparing… Old Testament vs New Testament… Catholics vs Protestants… Adam West vs Christian Bale… well, you get the idea.

          • When you start comparing Superman to God, or God to Superman. In Comic books and in life.

            This is the inherent problem with Superheroes, they save everyone, they are the good guys, they are the ones who are suppose to be there when you need them.

            God, is what people believe in, it is who they pray to when all hope seems lost.

            But, God whether you believe him or not, not even he can save everyone, and everyone is suppose to die, it is there for all of us to have a limited amount of time on this planet. God allows us to live and die, what we do between birth and death is always will be and always has been chance. Superman would swoop in to save the day, when a plane is about to crash. Yay everyone is safe, that is why I am a fan of Superman. I, however been in situations in life where there is a hurricane, I seen the the fury of nature, and when I could, I helped those, there were times, despite the actions of me and my crew, there came a time when it is now in God’s hand, whatever faith a person believes in, it is that thread of hope that keeps someone alive, or they die.

            I prefer my heroes to be separated from religion, simply because. Death happens, only thing any of us can do is try to help those we can, and try with every ounce of our being to stay the maximum time to help someone in need, even if we know it is a lost cause.

            That is why I do not mix the two, because divine intervention has been proven for some reason or another in giving life where there should only be death.

            • I understand YOUR preference to not compare ancient religious myth with more recent popular myth. If your preference is to compartmentalize the two… so be it.

              However, I don’t understand your assertion “the inherent problem with Superheroes, they save everyone”? A.) They don’t… Look at any Batman comic book and Joker’s oft times frighteningly high body count. B.) Their primary purpose as protagonists is to do good… or save people… not really a problem in design or content.

              Certainly, many people believe in God but their initiation of prayer is not limited to being at the end of a rope. Many haven’t lost hope and simply find comfort in the notion of a Supreme Being acting beyond their mortal realm to guide them, watch over them and to protect them.

              Clearly God cannot save everyone (for proof, see human history.) Yet, you maintain that Superman can. It seems to me, if one were pressed to offer worship or prayer to one of these two fictional characters… I’d go with Superman rather than God… If only by your claims.

              But to be fair, God’s been in the theaters longer than Superman and his marketing is largely exemplary… except for the Crusades… and the Inquisitions… And now we have this whole pesky Jihad thingee. I’m guessing’ some on God’s Public Relations Team are looking’ for a new job.

              Your evocation of help and assistance to those in need is laudable and I commend you for your efforts and intent. And your assertions about God’s actions (or in-actions) are indisputable… And cruelly arbitrary.

              So, opinions being what opinions are… I’ll agree to disagree. But there has NEVER been proof of divine intervention… If there was… no one’s opinions would matter because we’d know… no one would ever question because we’d know… no one would need to “agree to disagree” because we’d know.

    • Check out Joseph Cambell and the Power of Myth sometime. Comic creaters used to always refer to Comics as modern myths, with biblical references aplenty. Galactus was created when Stan Lee told Jack Kirby to have the FF fight God. Jack Kirby? Look at the Demon or the “New Gods.” DC and Marvel have also appropriated many mythic characters that people at some point in history, considered real and serious, like Thor, Hercules. There’s Mephisto. When I was a kid I actually would imagine stories of Jesus fighting Hercules and Thor, etc. (Sorry if that’s offensive, but every now and then there’d be some kick-butt illustration of Jesus flexing his muscle [taking it to the money lenders and such], and he had all these “powers”). Any story involves appeal and marketing. Worldwide and throughout time there are common elements in creation and religious stories, probably because they strike some basic cord within our psyches. Again, check out Joseph Campbell.

      Now, if you are simply saying people will be put-off, I’m not going to argue one bit.

  15. Marvel vs DC is an age old comic book war that won’t be settled anytime soon. It is really is just about personal preference. One isn’t necessarily better than the other. Marvel is more fantastical and glossy and DC has more grit and delves into what it means to be a superhero. I personally favor DC. Partly because I grew up watching the animated justice league and teen titans and partly because I’ve seen how DC has made some succesful live action tv shows. Smallville was all about the Clark’s journey to become Superman and how he had to deal with that inner struggle between his Kryptonian side and his human upbringing. They literally spent a decade delving into this conflict without ever having him don the tights and cape (until like the last 30 seconds of the whole series.) I can COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND why people would find that boring. Some audiences just go for the action and bad ass one liners and that’s fine. When done right it can lead to FRICKIN AMAZING films like the Avengers. But then you have the films that trade all the gloss and pomp and strip down these heroes to what they essentially are, ideals (The Dark Knight.) The difficult thing about pulling off movies like DC’s is that imo it’s way harder to do than making a successful Marvel movie. I was not a fan of Batman Begins or TDKR but The Dark Knight was my favorite superhero movie of all time(followed closely by the Avengers.) So I think Zack really hit the nail on the head by saying “If done right” DC comics are gold, but for now Marvel still reigns at the box office…. for now.

  16. I love all comics but prefer DC because of these reasons. The characters are just more adult. Mos better be as epic as the lead character. Hopefully it’ll make up for the hot mess that was im3, so disappointed with that film.

  17. I was really excited from the moment they announced the cast and crew…The one thing that kept Snyder from becoming great was that he never got a chance to direct a solid,brilliant script….although his visual style and dedication to source materials is unparalleled…but with David S Goyer and The Great Nolan backing him…this will be epic….
    Marvel’s success lies in the fact that all their movies were pretty good, even if you take away their Avengers ties as they were really focussed and in the end fun…that was what was missing in Green Lantern. With Man of Steel we can hope for fresh start for DC. Marvel should imvho, step aside for a while and entertain some healthy competition…give the new kid a chance(Although thats DEFINITELY not gonna happen :-/ )

  18. Okay, I can’t argue with the whole “purer archetypes.” But I don’t subscribe to Marvel because they’re the closest to the gods. I subscribe because they’re the most human. Why want something unattainable?

    • That’s one of the main differences I see between Marvel and DC. DC generally have the super-powered with a dab of humanity while Marvel generally have the humanity with a dab of super-powers.

      • How do you differentiate between one and the other?

        For example Superman is actually far more ‘human’ than Thor since he was raised among them and lives as a human.

        Batman, Green Arrow and other non-powered street level heroes in DC are arguably more human and vulnerable than metahumans like Captain America, Daredevil and Luke Cage.

        What do you mean by ‘more humanity’. If you mean the soap opera element focusing on love lives and breakups and marriage and divorce, I think I could do with less focus on that.

        • “If you mean the soap opera element focusing on love lives and breakups and marriage and divorce, I think I could do with less focus on that.”
          Wasn’t that the plot of Superman Returns or something?

        • See, even those weren’t great comparisons.

          Thor learned humanity too by living as a human while also not remembering his life as Thor, I believe in one version he even had to relive his entire life as a human child before finally regaining his hammer as an adult and remembering that he was Thor.

          The second comparison was especially uneven. You literally compared heroes with no powers as (obviously) more human than heroes with super powers, it’s even exactly what you said. There’s non-powered heroes in both companies that would have been a better comparison, like Batman and Green Arrow to Punisher, Moon Knight, and Hawkeye, etc.

          Whether heroes from either company face more human problems than others is a larger point of debate though.

  19. Marvel is better because they have characters that are believeable. They make mistakes, they are flawed and that is the type of hero I love. When it comes to DC, everyone is too damn perfect. Every time I would read a Batman comic I would just roll my eyes in disgust because he had an answer to every situation. In my opinion, that is wrong. I don’t’ care how skilled you are, you can’t be “prepared” for everything. Batman rarely loses, he barely makes a mistake and he’s always right. A superhero should not be able to have an answer to everything and that goes out to all of the DC characters.

    • This.

    • ummm….thats kind of the whole point of being the g****** Batman

      • I’m sorry but that is bulls****

        • So is ending an entire alien invading war with one shot no matter how it is explained.

    • 100% agree I only find Batman enjoyable in TDK trilogy because he is flawed and doesn’t just pull ways to get out of problems out his ass.

    • Isn’t Iron Man like that a lot of the time? See the vast range of armors at his disposal and his preparation plans. In X-men vs Avengers he even overpowered Magneto in magnetism by building an armor that could channel Jupiter’s magnetic field!!!

      Black Panther is similar.

      In any case, Batman does face challenges. That’s the reason he has such good plans at hand; he’s only human. His readers find it cool when he does that.

    • I wouldn’t say Marvel is “better.” I think it all depends on your view of perspective and reading experience. Yes, Marvel introduced a certain degree of realism to their superheroes especially with a bit of “soap opera” flair. Fantastic Four was the first “superhero family sitcom.” Spider-Man really made the concept of the “everyday man as a superhero” popular, and Marvel recognized why he was popular and went crazy with it. (Don’t forget, Marvel was also experimenting with Thor around the same time.)

      But you have to remember though, DC superheroes, many of who had already been created, had come in existence back in the day when cowboys such as John Wayne were popular, and we had this grand ideal of a tough guy who is supposed to be man enough to solve all his own problems.

      All of DC’s original superheroes were created in that mold, all of which strived to an ideal of what a good, capable, honorable guy ought to be like. But there’s something to be said for how LONG – almost 75 years now – people have enjoyed reading about these same “old-fashioned” superheroes and how adaptable they have ALL been to modern ideals of story-telling… even Superman. People never tired of them. Sorry to go back to having a religious comparison again, but instead of the Bible, let me just say that they’re like our own literary pantheon of gods – except we KNOW they’re just stories, unlike the Romans and Greeks. But it’s fun to imagine even so. There’s a reason why DC publish books titled “Mythology” and such when they’re writing stories about their characters.

      I see it like this, DC and Marvel are just two separate things, and that’s a good thing. It provides plenty of variety. A lot of times, their storytelling styles do shift between realism and fantasy, but I think that’s the whole fun of it. There are as many different kinds of stories about these characters as there have been different images of Batman and Superman across the decades. And for the most part, it’s obviously been a memorable ride for readers and fans.

      And now we’re entering the age of superhero movies where we can celebrate these stories in another medium. Let’s just enjoy the ride instead of stressing about all these comparisons and whatnot. It’s just STORIES, for goodness’ sake.

  20. No offense but if all you read is Marvel & DC, then you have to expand your mind. A lot of the titles that are being released from Image, Dark Horse, Valiant & IDW can give any title from Marvel & DC a run from their money. I’m not even joking lol.

    • The only reason I only read DC (plus the character I take my name from) is because reading comics can get expensive.

    • I love Dark horse comics sadly they are overshadowed by DC and Marvel

    • Locke and Key from IDW is the best series I have ever read.

      • I’d have to give the “best series I’ve ever read” title to Fables.

  21. Um…we haven’t seen the Superman movie yet.

  22. I agree that dc is purer, but that doesnt mean marvel is taking over while dc is stuck in neutral

  23. I mostly agree with him, what with Batman being the comic book hero that defined my childhood. I feel that DC characters have a depth that Marvel characters can’t quite reach (though I consider Cap an exception.
    Though, with this attitude, Snyder seems like the right man to helm a JL movie should we be lucky enough to finally get one in the near future!

  24. isnt not is

  25. Great article on whatculture! It explains the method to DC’s madness. It sounds like a derogatory article on DC, but once you read it, you really appreciate what DC is currently doing, and you walk away from the article feeling a sense of appreciation for What DC, Snyder, and Nolan are giving us. I love DC and Marvel, but people tend to assume, that Marvel is untouchable. They are not.

  26. Nowadays I don’t agree. I’m not gonna argue that Superman and Batman are one of the most recognisable superheroes on the planet but in this new day and age they’re getting eclipsed by Marvel solely because Warner Bros and Dc waited to long. Marvel has dominated the box office and has established many characters over the years while every big budget Dc movie since the year 2000 has bombed besides Batman. Marvel used to be bottom dog but ever since The Avengers they have risen to the top and become a part of pop culture. I mean in 2000 if you said that Hawkeye would be getting more media exposure than Wonder Woman and The Flash you’d be laughed at constantly. Now the whole world knows who he is while my young nephew and his friends (who love comic book movies) doesn’t even know who Wonder Woman is! What I’m trying to say is Marvel have done it right. They have made people interested in not just Wolverine and Spider-Man but Iron Man and Captain Americaa and Thor. And because they came in fairly late in the game they learned form Dcs mistakes. Each of Marvels A grade heroes are relatable. The biggest example of this is Spider-Man. He learned the hard way that with great power comes great responsibility (which has become my personal mantra) he isn’t motivated by revenge he’s motivated by guilt. Same thing with Iron Man. So to me Marvel characters are more idols to me than Dc because people like Cap and Spider-Man who can’t punch planets out of orbit or contain black holes in their hands represent what we should all be: selfless, courageous, kind, determined heroes with moral restraint and kindness and care for others. To me that is why Marvels heroes have always been my idols since I was young.

  27. @ War Clown, I understand what you said, but how is it that Batman has an answer for everything? Batman is fighting a losing battle from the start. He has pledged to stop all crime in Gotham, is this even possible? And you claim he rarely loses. Besides being broken by Bane, how do you explain Death in the Family? The killing Joke? The creation of the Joker, and allowing him to live rather than killing him, which essentially holds him accountable for every person the Joker has ever hurt or killed? ( Jason Todd, Damien Wayne????) what about Harvey Dent? That was a failure in itself. Batman fails all the time, but he resonates because he gets back up again, despite the odds. Just look at his rogues gallery, look at his team mates in the Justice League, he is outnumbered, how is he so perfect??? Superman literally died at the hands of doomsday. They are not all perfect or untouchable either.

    • @Don Leopoldo Yeah he’s made a few mistakes, a small few. They say that Batman is always “prepared” for anything but do those plans always have to work? Why they can’t backfire sometimes? Whenever he fights someone and always comes out on top, that’s a little questionable to me. For example, Batman fights and defeats Darkseid? Seriously?

      • IMO, it’s because Batman saw into Darkseid’s weakness, his arrogance, thus decided to use it against him.
        I’m refering to the DC movie that introduced Supergirl here, just to make sure.

        • Outstanding movie.

  28. i personally like dc alot more then marvel dc’s superheroes are so much more interesting then marvel and superman is my fav superhero

  29. I’d just like to say… HELL yeah. This is gonna be awesome!!!!!!!! I’ve been waiting for someone to take this franchise seriously for so long!!

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