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Btw, I’m hoping you can find some emotion in this Katrina film…

Anyway I believe we were on the topic of Will Smith in the movie. I think it sounds cool, but like most people say I think they need to stay away from politics focus on the man and his heroic actions.

@790
And I’m glad cat said what she did, I always find it amusing when people are unable to accept opposing opinions, oh the good times…

“Ken your making me look bad ”

Don’t make me go grammar nazi on you again…

Remember that comment I made up a ways? I guess you guys didn’t pay attention.

I feel like a school teacher and you two are the disruptive kids in the class I have to keep an eye on.

Vic

Want to see more scary math?

In 2007
GM: 9,369,524 cars sold
Toyota: 9,366,xxx cars sold

It’s not by a big margin, but they still sold more cars, but let’s give Toyota the benefit of the doubt and say they are even, so you would think that they would be about even in profits/losses right? Wrong.

GM: $38,730,000,000 loss
Toyota: $17,146,000,000 profits

I love how you actually post facts Ken it’s an amazing thing. Stats numbers and math scary words to some people I guess.

Daniel F, are you reading this???

Apparently 790 is calling ME a conspiracy theorist because I can do math… Hm, profit from car < price to pay workers to build car = $$loss. Damn, is so far fetched, why can’t I be normal and just believe in the New World Order and how 9-11 was planned by secret societies…

Ken if you dig deep you’ll find out that the auto giants are all one big happy family. None of them are loosing money the American auto companies all own parts of the Japanese markets as well as the German auto firms etc…

Is this because the unions are so super nice and want to help the workers? Um, maybe, or MAYBE it’s because for every person GM has to pay, unions get what they call “membership fees.” Do they know they are driving American companies out of business? Of course, do they care? Not as long as they are getting these fat pay-offs now.

Go look up the numbers, go look at the average salary of a factory worker in GM, and you tell me if you should be earning that on a highschool level education. Go look up the number of units sold, like I said, GM outsold toyota in number of units sold in 2007, but thanks to the unions, they actually LOSE some $300 for every car built and sold. It actually isn’t profitable for them to stay in business when the average salary of their highschool educated workers is around $60-$80,000 a year… Heck, why the hell did I bother getting a college education? I might as well have moved to Michigan or wherever and work in a factory putting the bolts to mount the steering column of some car and get paid much more than I am getting paid now… Heck, maybe I’ll get lucky and get fired and get paid 90% of my salary when I’m not even working there anymore…

Labor unions served a purpose once upon a time. And in some cases they still do. But they have FAR too much power. The logical solution to GM’s mess is to allow them to file for bankruptcy, which would void their labor union contracts, they can clean up their labor force, renegotiate labor union terms, and be back on their feet. But the current administration RUSHED the bail out plan just to prevent them from having that option. You think it was a coincidence? You know the unions bascially said “hey, we paid for your campaign, now this is what we need you to do” and bam, look at where we’re at. We give millions to GM, they ditch an American legend (Pontiac) and within 3 years (2 years most likely), they will be in need of another bail out, guaranteed. Just wait, you’ll think back and remember me saying this.

Unions are part of the fabric of America and no matter how you perceive them the institution needs to be upheld and defended…
People need to have all the voice they can get these days. If it means belonging to a group that stands up for the rights of its workers so be it…

The feds are trying to chip away at our individual freedoms and rights all the time… Try to have an open mind on this,,,

And how come our government won’t do the one thing that will save our auto industry without any bail outs or anything? Get rid of labor unions. How come they don’t do that?? I wonder…

In 2007 GM outsold Toyota in number of cars sold, yet GM had billions in losses while Toyota had billions in profits, why do you think that is? And who do you think allows for this to keep going? The problem with American companies are almost all linked to labor unions, who do you think grants them so much power? Ask yourself those questions, research the answers, then talk politics.