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Ken J says:

@cat
Maybe it has something to do with the subprime scam that a certain someone in office now helped allow… MAYBE… :-D

And how come our government won’t do the one thing that will save our auto industry without any bail outs or anything? Get rid of labor unions. How come they don’t do that?? I wonder…

In 2007 GM outsold Toyota in number of cars sold, yet GM had billions in losses while Toyota had billions in profits, why do you think that is? And who do you think allows for this to keep going? The problem with American companies are almost all linked to labor unions, who do you think grants them so much power? Ask yourself those questions, research the answers, then talk politics.

790 says:

Ken, GM’s downfall is crashing by design as this all sounds worse than it will be for GM in the long run. In the end the unions will be taken out… This is made to look horrific yet after all is said and paid off the CEO’s will still be there running the same company as the workers pay the price of this economic con-job.
(Consider how much GM spends on pointless tv commercials, ah its in the hundreds of millions)

Unions are part of the fabric of America and no matter how you perceive them the institution needs to be upheld and defended…
People need to have all the voice they can get these days. If it means belonging to a group that stands up for the rights of its workers so be it…

The feds are trying to chip away at our individual freedoms and rights all the time… Try to have an open mind on this,,, :-)

Ken J says:

LOL 790, and Toyota and all of these other companies don’t pay millions in commercials? The FACT is, there are factory workers in GM with a highschool education level getting paid more than people with masters or even some with doctorate degrees. I’m talking about someone who sweeps the floor getting paid $70+ per hour, and that isn’t just some made up example, there ARE people sweeping the floor there making that money. Then there are the people who go to “work” everyday, clock in, and sit in a lounge and watch tv while getting paid because the union decided it is unfair for modern robotics to take over jobs, so they have to pay them regardless of if the robots are doing the job for them or not. Then there’s the FACT that after they are fired or laid off, they continue to get paid 90% of their salary. So that means GM has to pay their workers and even those who no longer work there.

Is this because the unions are so super nice and want to help the workers? Um, maybe, or MAYBE it’s because for every person GM has to pay, unions get what they call “membership fees.” Do they know they are driving American companies out of business? Of course, do they care? Not as long as they are getting these fat pay-offs now.

Go look up the numbers, go look at the average salary of a factory worker in GM, and you tell me if you should be earning that on a highschool level education. Go look up the number of units sold, like I said, GM outsold toyota in number of units sold in 2007, but thanks to the unions, they actually LOSE some $300 for every car built and sold. It actually isn’t profitable for them to stay in business when the average salary of their highschool educated workers is around $60-$80,000 a year… Heck, why the hell did I bother getting a college education? I might as well have moved to Michigan or wherever and work in a factory putting the bolts to mount the steering column of some car and get paid much more than I am getting paid now… Heck, maybe I’ll get lucky and get fired and get paid 90% of my salary when I’m not even working there anymore…

Labor unions served a purpose once upon a time. And in some cases they still do. But they have FAR too much power. The logical solution to GM’s mess is to allow them to file for bankruptcy, which would void their labor union contracts, they can clean up their labor force, renegotiate labor union terms, and be back on their feet. But the current administration RUSHED the bail out plan just to prevent them from having that option. You think it was a coincidence? You know the unions bascially said “hey, we paid for your campaign, now this is what we need you to do” and bam, look at where we’re at. We give millions to GM, they ditch an American legend (Pontiac) and within 3 years (2 years most likely), they will be in need of another bail out, guaranteed. Just wait, you’ll think back and remember me saying this.

Ken J says:

And just in case you haven’t realized this, but the labor unions don’t at all protect you from the “feds,” they are in fact a controlling member of the “feds.” Talk about losing individual rights, there are a lot of jobs where you are FORCED to join the union in order to work there, you have no choice. That means MANDATORY member dues. And the few places where they give you the choice of union membership, if you choose to not be part of the union, they charge you “maintenance fees” which conveniently equal the same amount as membership dues, and they also go to the union. How convenient…

790 says:

Ken your taking an extreme view of auto Unions… Sure you can make the argument that some of the Unions have too much power, then there’s the other fact that GM and other auto manufacturers waste billions of dollars every year that dwarf Union costs.

Ken if you dig deep you’ll find out that the auto giants are all one big happy family. None of them are loosing money the American auto companies all own parts of the Japanese markets as well as the German auto firms etc…

790 says:

Union dues provide heath care,,,,

Ken J says:

Oh, so my views which are backed by facts and numbers and are pretty well known facts in the industry are extreme?

Daniel F, are you reading this??? :-D

Apparently 790 is calling ME a conspiracy theorist because I can do math… Hm, profit from car < price to pay workers to build car = $$loss. Damn, is so far fetched, why can’t I be normal and just believe in the New World Order and how 9-11 was planned by secret societies…

Daniel F says:

Unions are a great idea… In theory sadly much like communism they didn’t pan out to well. Unions do not protect anyone, but the people running it. Your union dues get spent however they see fit and you really don’t have say in the matter. Unions force everyone to go on strike when a lot of the times the majority of the people don’t actually want to go on strike. Unions encourage bad behavior and aggressive tactics that get people hurt. They also encourage people to be extremely cruel to people who are so desperate for a job that they take something they know is temporary and work as a so called scab. I’d go on, but Ken covered most of it.

I love how you actually post facts Ken it’s an amazing thing. Stats numbers and math scary words to some people I guess.

Ken J says:

Yah Daniel F, good point about compulsory dues being used in ways the members paying those dues do not desire. Just look up which political party is supported by the most labor union members versus which political party almost all of labor union donations go to.

Want to see more scary math?

In 2007
GM: 9,369,524 cars sold
Toyota: 9,366,xxx cars sold

It’s not by a big margin, but they still sold more cars, but let’s give Toyota the benefit of the doubt and say they are even, so you would think that they would be about even in profits/losses right? Wrong.

GM: $38,730,000,000 loss
Toyota: $17,146,000,000 profits

Cat says:

ken
I saw you wrote something to me but I didn’t actually read it. I’ve become so annoyed by your comments that when I get the email and it says ken I just hit the delete button. Not enough time in the day to waste listening to you. Screenrant would be such a more enjoyable site without kens posts.

Ken, 790,

Remember that comment I made up a ways? I guess you guys didn’t pay attention.

I feel like a school teacher and you two are the disruptive kids in the class I have to keep an eye on. 8)

Vic

790 says:

Sorry about that Vic,,, ;-)
^
Ken your making me look bad !! :-)
^
@Cat,,, LOL !!!!
If your reading this, you rock !!!

Ken J says:

We’re just making sure you’re paying attention Vic, lol, just kidding.

@790
And I’m glad cat said what she did, I always find it amusing when people are unable to accept opposing opinions, oh the good times…

“Ken your making me look bad ”

Don’t make me go grammar nazi on you again… :-D

Daniel F says:

Now that’s not fair 790 you did that well enough on your own.

Anyway I believe we were on the topic of Will Smith in the movie. I think it sounds cool, but like most people say I think they need to stay away from politics focus on the man and his heroic actions.

790 says:

Lol, Daniel don’t take it all to seriously… :-)

Btw, I’m hoping you can find some emotion in this Katrina film… ;-)

Daniel F says:

Umm ok what ever that means.

cherry says:

I very like will smith

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