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Todd says:

If Moore and Eick are to be taken at their word, the final Cylon is not in the “Last Supper” picture, which rules out about 1/2 of these theories. If the comment was misdirection, I think we can logically rule out most:

Baltar: too many ex post facto plot holes..The human who gave the Cylons the access codes to wipe out humanity is actually a Cylon who thinks he’s a human with an imaginary Cylon in his head, was the puppet President of New Caprica, lived on a Cylon ship, went back to Galactica and was tried as a traitor…? BSG is complex, but the storytelling is always tight.

Lee Adama: too much back-story to add. The writers would have some up with some arc about how Bill Adama ‘acquired’ a Cylon son that explains away Lee’s conception, birth, childhood, etc. Seems a little much.

Helo: making Helo a Cylon retroactively negates one the show’s central theme, portrayed largely by his character: love transcends bigotry, politics, race, etc.

Kara Trace: she’s “Moses”, not some messiah. And like Helo, if she’s actually a Cylon it takes too much away from Sam’s character turning out to be a Cylon. The show goes to great lengths to blur the distinction between what it means to be human or Cylon, that both races struggle with the same problems, have the same flaws, etc.

Bill Adama/Laura Roslin: these two…there’s a little wiggle room here, but not enough for me. Whatever’s coming involves the human-Cylon babies, i.e. a “new” generation. Roslin is going to die — any kind of reprieve seems too “happy ending” for BSG. I suspect her death may even end up being ‘necessary’, the fulfillment of a prophecy that ushers in next era for humanity. Likewise, I think Adama is headed for hard times. His death would provide symmetry to Roslin’s, a passing of the torch from the old Cylon-hating generation to new “mother” and “father” figures, perhaps Lee and Kara. Remember, the show began with Galactica and Adama being “retired.” It seems somehow fitting that, his job of finding Earth complete, Adama the man will finally fall apart — but in some way that Adama the hero lives on forever.

Todd S. says:

“And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.”

I know we all just watched the latest BSG but I am a little confused as to who is the last Cylon. Is it Starbuck or Ellen? But from the quote above and the “Last Supper” image, a strong case could be made for Ellen (not to mention her husband flat out says it at the end.) She is dead, (in shadow), not with the fleet, and seeking redemption from her husband. Plus, she is the only one not in the “Last Supper” image and her place is next to husband.

What do you think?

Todd: It’s Ellen. I don’t know what Thrace is yet besides what we now know of her. This was on traumatic episode.

To stimcaps, Scott from April 23rd, prometheus (As one of your 4 choices), kirbeegee, Sparta (As one of 3 options) – nice job.

Stimcaps, Scott and kirbeegee for being dead on and picking Ellen as your only choice… good call folks.

So if the Cylons called this planet Earth, well, I was a bit off on all of humanity being Cylons, but it seems I was close.

My plan B of it being Gaeta… well, so much for that plan.

Thanks to everyone for participating in this cool conversation.

Daniel says:

Hi, I didn´t watch the episode yet ( I live in Brazil ) and although I hate to be wrong ( read my previous posts ), I really did love to know that the FC is Ellen, because it fraking surprised me. Can’t wait to see what is the explanation, but I guess they are about to solve lots of puzzles. In time, I think Deb Lazarus really got a point as Ellen is exactly what is described in the post above. I put Ellen where it was written Ur-cylon and that explains it all.

The Duke says:

Massive disappointment that. Deus ex Machina.

Can think of all sorts of better plots so there better be a good explanation. Still, I haven’t seen the episode so I’ll hold off decrying it for a bit.

Panda says:

With Ellen already dead, maybe we see how the final five are “reborn” as she says

anthonydarkstar says:

Dee is the finale cylone,she finds jacks and a poccket watch in the sand on earth , then she kills herself..in her personal items on the ship the same jacks and the pic of her as a child…

Kiri says:

There are no humans. The Cylons killed all humans on Earth 3600 years ago. They’re not looking for the last Cylon…. they might find the last human.

Nasim says:

I agree with Kiri.
I was also thinking they probably all are Cylons….

Daniel says:

I guess the point is: the 13th tribe was Cylon, they have reached a planet , either the real Earth or a new place they’ve called it Earth, and they started a new civilization over there. Perhaps they have given the centurions the free will, and the centurions ended up Nuking their Civilization. Perhaps, the 13th tribe was allied with humans or not. Yet, five of them were chosen ones, they would have their program sent to a backup place and from there they have reached the 12 colonies to start everything again: create a whole Cylon civilization. That is , perhaps, why the history repeats it self. I think much of what Bruce has written above makes sense in this context. Also, to be honest I guess that the Earth we know, our current 2009, might be so distant in the past that so many things might have happened. To me, now I understand the context of Hellen being the last Cylon, and it all fist well. Starbuck may be a Cylon now, SOmeone has created a new body for her, maybe Hellen did. I am amazed and excited folks. BSG is most definitely the best thing I ever saw on TV.

Ramiro says:

In the last episode three new cylons are revealed: Ellen, Dualla (she finds things from her childhood on the sand – thinks to be the fifth and kills herself for that), and of course Kara. Ellen is such an unimportant person to be the fifth – she is ordinary – as is all of ‘humanity’.
Thus:
Humanity created the cylons for the first time in Kobol – they went into war with each other – the cylons destroyed Kobol and most of humanity, after that they sailed through space – the thirteen tribes were tribes of cylon – what was left of humanity went on a search for a new world – Earth – only to find the cylons reached there first – they annihilated each other in a final battle.
Cylons (thinking to be humans) on the twelve colonies created new cylons which turned against them, and the rest we already know…
“All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.”

Daniel says:

Ramiro, man, you just said it all. Your theory is the most likely to happen theory I have read. Thanks for sharing!

The Duke says:

That makes a lot more sense – thanks Ramiro, I think I’ll hold off any further investigations in order to watch the whole final series on DVD when it comes out in the UK. I wonder if there will be a final Cylon?

Nick says:

the old man said,
July 2nd, 2008
All those things act as the “apparatus” that enables the story to be presented. They tell the audience in a conventional way that despite technological advancement humans still suffer from the same failings. It’s an old dog, remember in Trek Movie two.. Kirk had to use glasses because he was allergic to the drug, retnox-a, that would correct his vision.

——-

Told ya, those weren’t just “apparatus”, they were clues… LOL

Johhny-O says:

Hmmm…I really love the whole ‘Last Supper’ tableau, it rocks!!!

But I could not help but notice, one of the Final Five Cylons is conspicuous by her very abscence – Tory!

I know, she was evil, more like Cavil than the others (btw, does anyone know where the name ‘Cavil’ comes from? I know I’ve heard it somewhere – and where did Ellen come up with his real name, John, what was that all about?), and of course she got her just deserts at Tyrol’s hands for murdering Callie – served the bitch right, if you ask me.

I am not saying the ‘13th’ should be Tory, I approve of her exception just for that reason alone, all I am saying is, she was one of the Final Five. But as to who (or what) the 13th should be, I dunno, at first I thought it should be a Centurion, the original human-made Cylon, but then it hit me:

It should be only one, and one alone – little HERA…

After all, she is destined to become Mitochondrial Eve, right?

JOHN

PS: This post is so long, I didn’t read all of these, so please, if I am picking up on someone else’s idea, forgive me! I’m no plagarist…

Johhny-O says:

Hey, I just noticed something – sorry if this is off subject, a little, but I wish to share it here.

I noticed from one of the pix I downloaded, the colors of the Colonial Vipers may be suggestive, maroon stripes on a bone-white fuselage…

These are precisely the same colors, according to every dramatic presentaiton I have ever seen for that place & era, of the colors of the Roman Senate – maroon stripes on a linen toga!

Could this mean anything, a sort of hidden message from Moore, or even (I shudder to say it), Glen Larson himself?

These colors were very significan to the Romans of the Old Republic, and were at the root of their opposition to the wearing of the Royal Purple, what set them off to assissinate Julius Caesar, but going as far back as the Consul Germanicus Tiberius Grachus (killed by a Senatorially-led mob), many decades before – he never wore the Royal Purple robes, but was accused of doing so – but JC actually did, which was what got him killed (well, that, and installing Cleopatra in her own villa just outside of Rome, hahaha!); I can’t help but wonder if there is a connection, or is it just a co-incidence?

What say you all?

Thanx, JOHN

Btw, the final Cylon has to be Kara – how else could she possibly implode in the atmo of a gas giant, crash on Old Earth, and then reappear within striking distance of the Galactica, in a brand-new Viper fresh out of the box?

Also, did anybody else besides me notice, as soon as the others recognized Jimi Hendrix on the bar piano, the nameless man who helped her put it all together, Hera’s star drawing & all, simply disappeared? “We?” one of them asked?

Was this strange piano man her father?

Was she deliberately blinded, Mary Magdaline-like, from recognizing him?

What say you all now?

JOHN

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