How many people buy Trek books? In all of what you said about the movie, TV shows and now the books, you seem to only focus on the trek fans. That’s the problem, there are barely any of those.

JJ isn’t overestimating the fanbase, he’s trying to create one because there isn’t one anymore.

The hardcore trek fans are the only ones who saw the last few TNG films, look how well that turned out? Star Trek is dead at the moment, this movie’s goal is to bring the current mainstream movie audience and geek culture into it. Not sell to a dozen people who will see it 5 times each, lol.

The relevence of the ad, is his style and approach. He’s bringing HUGE meaning to things we didn’t really focus on or pay attention to about trek. Things us Trek fans take for granted now, and things literally no one else cared about. He made Trek cool…when its not and hasn’t been for a long time. Let’s see what the next trailer brings. I think its completely relevent, personally.

BTW, I really enjoyed Nemesis, even if it had a Wrath of Khan feel to the ending.

The Cloverfield ad was very clever, but I don’t see the relivance.

You say that there’s no future after TNG timeline, I disagree.
The DS9 novels out sell anything right now in the Star Trek world.
There’s plenty to do with that timeline.

Its Paramount that claims that timeline is dead. Not the fans.

Mainstream aside,,, its the hardcore fans that see the film over and over.
IMO, JJ is overestimating his fanbase…
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That’s cool Niall,
I just find his acting overated. The Ocean films really soured me on him.

Niall

Would your proposed idea appeal to mainsteam audiences have and would it be big hit at the box office? I don’t think it can. We can almost say for sure, it can’t. No matter what commercials and other advertising you do for that, it wouldn’t click with the mainstream.

Remember, the idea is to show that the Star Trek franchise can be successful and can hit the main audiences. When that first teaser hit during Cloverfield previews, the entire audience was in talks about it…and that trailer showed barely anything, but it had awesome sound clips of real-world events, heh.

The idea of TNG films and those characters don’t sell. You have to think about the general audiences.

I understand why you may not like the idea personally, but I don’t understand how you can say there’s something better that would be more successful at the box office, and can save the Trek Franchise. There is no future in the TNG, DS9 or Voyager crews. And as for the original crew, several have sadly passed, and others have passed within the Trek timeline.

I would have done a stand alone tv series set after “Voyager”.
Without Berman/Braga.
If that did well, a stand alone TNG film would have been next. It would have been a film that would feature all the crews and ships from the Next Gen timeline.

I have a strong feeling that the new film will be more or less meh,,,

2-3 years ago, could you imagine someone else playing Kirk…me, never.

I really hope this movie is incredible, I have such high expections in JJ, so its a big make or break experience for him. The fact that Paramount put the trust in him to re-kindle the Trek world and go ahead with this idea, I think shows some great hope.

I guess we’ll just have to see

I’m no more a Voltron purist than I am a G1 Transformers purist. Anyone who accuses me of either of those clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

I don’t mind if the mice are missing, or any of the other minor characters. In fact I’m grateful for that. I don’t mind moving it to a more Earth-centric story instead sending them to Arus. I don’t mind them updating the origins of the lions. I don’t mind if they keep Zarkon, Hazar, Throk, or Lotor out of the first movie.

No, I just want a good script that actually resembles Voltron. The characters are off, the script rips-off at least half a dozen other SF movies, usually not good ones, and all in all it doesn’t feel like Voltron.

I just want them to get the characters right and keep the feel of the franchise. This script doesn’t feel like a Voltron story.

Don’t tell me you’re a Voltron purist too… Based on the Latino Review synopsis, I liked how the characters are brought together and it made for an interesting story. Are you mad that they didn’t mention the mice or the witch? Go Voltron!

There’s a whole Fleet of ships and crews.
To say that Kirk and Spock are the only hope of Trek is selling the franchise short.

What Trek needs is writers who can do the universe justice, in whatever time frame they choose to work. First, though, it needs time for the audience to get truly tired of what’s already out there, and build the demand for something new. That’s what helped “Star Trek: The Motion Picture” succeed, and it’s what helped TNG become so successful.

Paramount needs to give it time, and then find someone better that Orci and Kurtzman to write the script. Otherwise, I’ll be surprised is anyone other than the truly hardcore fans will bother with it.

Continuing on with the TNG era just seems worn and done to death IMHO.

Going back to the beginning to a period never covered in the films or TV shows is smart. It’s what “Enterprise” was supposed to do, but Berman and Braga mishandled that horribly. Done right, that could have been a great show.

Vic

Now comes the next question.

Do you think new unknown characters and new aliens would be marketable to the mainstream movie audience? and that a movie like that could sell? Well, we already know the answer, the last two trek films were beyond failures and disappointments to the Trek world, and the mainstream wanted nothing to do with it, both were terrible. People simply don’t care about that, and people hate bringing in new aliens each film…when we have so many cool and likeable, already-established-and-canon races.

Bringing Trek back to the most famous trek characters of all time, allows them to hit a tone with every single audience group, same goes for bring back the most iconic space ship design from Trek.

I think its a way to make something new, within-Canon featuring an original cast member and bringing trek back to its roots.

When I first heard the idea that JJ’s trek was going to be about the Academy, I instantly thought to myself: “this is gonna be stupid”, heh. But seeing how they are doing it, the cast and style I know JJ will bring, and what they said about how the ships will be portrayed, I now think this is the only possible way, literally the only possible way, to make Trek a mainstream phenomenon and bring the franchise back to success.

If you think about it, not many people care about just seeing space ships going around blowing things up (I do though, heh). So what new Trek could work? New characters? No, people don’t want that, people want what they know and like. New Species? No, that’s a cheap cop-out and not within continuity. New Ships? No, again, we have so many, new ships wouldn’t make sense with what we’ve seen, and if its in the future, then its not the Trek we all knew and love. So if they make it in the future, people wouldn’t like it, people already don’t like it as it is, making it more off-beat would be even worse. Trek can’t even sell itself nowadays, let alone making it not-Trek in the Future. The only way that could sell would be by drowning it out with a huge cast, but nothing could come from that.

The official word from WEP, the owners of Voltron, is that no director has been chosen yet, though that name has been discussed.

“5_ Voltron, have to see more on this, could be cool, could be lame.”

“On Voltron, is the rumor that they’ll use the script Latino Review reported a few months back? If so, could be good.”

It will only be good if they dump the Latino Review script. From what I’ve seen, it resembles a Voltron story even less than the Bayformers movie resembled an actual Transformers story. Considering the resemblance for Bayformers was pretty bad….

Fortunately, rewrites are inevitable, so there’s hope.

“oh, and I think the real test for Michael Bay and the two writers will be when Transformers 2 comes out. Bay had a huge part in the story and script creation”

Makes me glad I’ve completely written off Bayformers 2. He so completely, and unforgivably, botched the first one that I’m unwilling to give him a second chance. I’m also not going to bother with Star Trek since the movies share writers.

Never forget Batman Forever ,,,,

On Voltron, is the rumor that they’ll use the script Latino Review reported a few months back? If so, could be good.

On that note, I’m already upset John Turturro is back, I honestly felt his character was the worst character in cinematic history in the first Tranformers, and I couldn’t stand it no matter how many times I saw the film

Do you think Star Trek should instead continue in TNG era and into the future with new characters, possibly new aliens?

As for Transformers, the movie was written for a younger audience, with a childish screenplay…what caused all the problems with the film is that it was filmed like an adult action flick…that made it all bad because alot of the characters and dialogue (even plot lines) were all crap inside of that adult action, and it didn’t make sense and obviously didn’t playout as it should.

If you look at what Abrams did with Alias, Lost, followed by Mission Impossible 3 and Cloverfield movies…I think all 4 of these are absolutely perfect in doing what they set out to do. As for Fringe, I’m not sure of that, I’ve not seen much from it but I have the early pilot, I’m going to watch until it airs.