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The environment was a backdrop. There’s one overarching theme and it was that irrational love conquers life’s programming. i.e.: focus on love for one another and the rest (respect for our bodies, our minds, our lives, and our environment) will follow. It’s when we get so wrapped up in our own lives that we start to cut corners on all the other stuff. That’s a message you certainly don’t see every day.

How many movies that have environmental subtext are also nuanced enough to relate it to, or rather, make it dependent upon love for each other? I mean, this is still primarily a love story first and foremost.

greenknight333 says:

I have to agree JC here on the universal love theme and the unified theory as well..I wasn’t impressed by the movie but the social messages in the movie have been around for twenty years at least and most people still tend to ignore them…If society in general is aware of the enviromental problems and the problems with obesity and we are still pretty much ignoring them then what does that say about us..We know better and still we destroy the planet and ourselves…HUH?!! If we don’t love ourselves first and foremost it will be impossible to love the planet or anyone else…I feel that if you are obese then you have issues and you really don’t care about yourself and thereby you don’t care about anything…Being happy to pollute your body or the planet speaks volumes about the type of problems we as a society face…Universal love is the only key because if we are capable of loving everybody, then we have compassion for everyone and everything and that leads to healing the planet…Sooner or later Mother Nature is going to decide to give herself a big shake to try and rid herself of us..we are destroying the planet and we know it and still we do nothing…Speaks volumes as to what we think of the future generations we are leaving the Earth to.

greenknight333 says:

We are going to need a lot of Wall-Es…

Green,

Glad you agree with me, but to steer this back on topic a little more, would you elaborate on your thoughts of the movie a little more?

790 says:

The hypocritical green adgenda.
(One example/-case and point).

The Feds want everyone to use flouresant lightbulbs to save energy. They say “go green so we can save the earth for the children.”

Meanwhile these new flouresant lightbulbs contain a mercury catalyist. Mercury poisoning cannot be taken out of the human body, or the ground water.
There’s no warning on the lightbulbs so if one breaks near an infant and its inhaled , well what about that kids future?
Also when these bulbs go bad they get thrown into the garbage where they are crushed and taken to a landfill. Mercury is a substance so toxic that hazmat teams are called when there’s an accident involing mercury.
Landfills are prohibited by law to knowingly except Mercury, yet this situation continues to this day.

Green adgenda trumps logic. Most people don’t polute anywhere near the scope of the Military or big Coporations.
Sheesh Disney itself buys products from China and Mexico all the time. There’s no EPA down there. Their polluting those countries like its the norm.

(These are just a few examples of the BS green adgenda). Its a big buSINess and a marketing buzzword nothing more.

790,

I agree with that, but how does that apply or relate to the movie, or diminish it’s point?

greenknight333 says:

Jersey

I loved the interaction between Eve and Wall-E especially the dance sequence…I still think Pixar is showing off and have been since Cars…I’m just baffled how a film that can be “preachy” about obesity and how wasteful we are as a society is being mega-promoted by the Disney marketing monsters…Disney is one of the world’s largest purveyors of non-physical “interactive entertainment” I think the adults in the movie were like infants in that they never knew how to behave or interact with the real world and they never actually had to. This speaks volumes about how technology is really spoiling us and making us lazy and obese…Play video games, watch movies & TV, surf the web but God forbid don’t interact with the real world…We have become complacent as a society and there is no need to change because as a whole our society acts like since we have everything great why rock the boat and start doing the really tough things that it will take to turn it around for our planet…I REALLY DID LIKE HOW WALL-E WAS A FORCE EVERYWHERE HE WENT…It was an homage to the fact that one person can make a difference… but it still wasn’t the tour de force I thought it could have been…It just left me wanting something more and I can’t really put my finger on it…

Cheers

790 says:

Just making a point. I won’t go there anymore, sorry bout that. ;-)

Green,

Actually, I had the feeling that I had enjoyed the movie more after it was over than I did when I was watching it. I do intend to see it again.

I think I set my expectations so high going in that I wasn’t as relaxed watching it as I would have been had I just not read any reviews or watched any clips offered. I think I had seen 80% of the first third of the movie from press release clips and previews. Trying to ‘cleanse the palate’ now so next time I’ll go in fresher and more at ease.

Ironically, the same thing happened with “Ratatouille”, and it got better the second time around. I really should start learning from my mistakes :)

Jersey, I know EXACTLY what you mean. Now imagine the added pressure of watching it knowing you have to write a review for it. :-)

I actually think I may enjoy this more upon a second viewing (not that I didn’t enjoy it the first time).

Vic

Scott says:

Ive have noticed that the reviews here tend to be overly critical – i find that most are going in expecting far too much from a movie. Yes there is LOTS of hype for allmost every film – but it’s up to YOU to decide what to expect.

What is this thing of which i speak … well just a small thing called “entertainment” – this is THE one thing ALL movies are attempting to bring to us, and if vast majority manage to do this even in some small digree – then guess what they have done there job!

I’ve not seen Wall.E yet as it’s not been realised over in the uk – but i will go to see it, and i allready know i will enjoy it becuse all i expect from it is something fun and lighthearted – i could decide to look at it deeper and any “message” it seems to deliver.

I’ve seen all Pixar movies and not one have i ever felt that i was taught something – yes i’m not toaly stupid or blind you can usealy tell what the over all theme is and what the CHARATERS learn throughout the movie, but again it’s up to you to decide it’s telling YOU that same message.

My overall point is i’m betting this movie isn’t pointing at any one socity (america isn’t the only place in the world guys – there are places else were with the exact same problems, anywhere that gives easy access for conveint “food”…so most of our planet then!!!

If it made you feel guilty about your lifestyle maybe it was becuse of YOU – YOU pointed the finger at yourself and thought “hang on maybe i’m like that”. personaly i go in watch the movie and go out again i very rarely get affected by something unless it’s a more thought provokeing movie, which i very much doubt this is.

This is fun, upbeat, cute and entertaining overall – essentialy it’s for kids and it’s not going to make you feel bad – in fact i think you all lost it’s point – it sounds like it’s saying one person CAN make a diffrence, you can wait for that person or you can BE that person.

Next time you see a movie go in with your mind open and expecting only to be entertained – and you will be, as Vic himself said he found himself enjoying the movie more the second time he watched it becuse he knew exactlly what to expect from it and wasn’t putting any pressure on the movie to do more!

Sorry for the long post, i just had to vent out, i’d just like to see more positive opionions please.

Scott,

I don’t know which site you’ve been watching, but I’m guessing if asked, Vic would say it’s been a pretty good year for movie fans so far, going on his reviews (which have been mostly positive), and 4 out of 5 for any movie is pretty damn good.

Why not wait for the movie to come out where you are, see it, and then compare notes with the rest of us? You’ll be a more informed movie-goer for doing it and you’ll have a solid foundation from which to discuss your thoughts.

Vic,

Yeah, I follow Pixar movies the way you followed “Iron Man” :) As I recall, your only criticism of Iron Man was that the pre-release material didn’t leave very much to the imagination by the time you’re in the theater.

Once you’ve had those scenes from trailers and other assorted material etched in your mind, they lose their impact on the screen.

Yep, that’s one of the things that make it difficult to run this site. There are things that I don’t post up as far as video clips and such because I don’t want to see them myself because it detracts from the movie experience.

Vic

Vic,

At least you’re doing a better job than AICN when it comes to restraint. I read an early Dark Knight review over there a few days ago that ended up revealing a very specific development in the film that I’m trying hard to forget (stopped reading the review at that point).

greenknight333 says:

Hey Jersey

For your reading pleasure, I didn’t know this and I was pleasantly suprised…I mean I knew where the songs were from but not that they were the inspiration..

http://movies.sympatico.msn.ca/features/article.aspx?cp-documentid=544664

Cheers

Green,

Thanks for the link. Interesting, indeed.

I found a couple other ones with Stanton talking about what drove the story for him.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/interviews/andrewstanton.html

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/07/04/the-meaning-behind-walle.php

greenknight333 says:

Thanks Jersey.

Liked the first article and another piece falls into place but didn’t like the second as that site was just a lot of conservative rhetoric to me…propaganda of the worse kind..

Whatever happened to the golden rule live and let live…

It’s more the interview that the second site linked to that I thought was interesting.

Here’s the full interview:

http://www.worldmag.com/articles/14127

Daniel says:

So when A conservative gives his view point it’s rhetoric, but if it’s from the opposing side it’s an interesting and unbiased article?

greenknight333 says:

Daniel,

It certainly is not…To answer your question; as soon as someone gives their opinion(s) on any issue or topic it will be biased.Such is the nature of opinions.No one can ever be truly neutral on any issue regardless of how unbiased or practical they think their opinion is. While I am not a conservative I am also not a liberal either. I have opinions that would be considered both liberal and conservative as my belief system and how I was raised have largely influenced what I believe and what I think is propaganda… NOt everything on the site was propagenda but the things I did read were just that IMO.

Nivedita says:

Wall-e is absolutely reminiscent of E.T. He possess all the endearing qualities of E.T. which is synonymous with classic 80’s children’s sci-fi movies like “Flight of the Navigator.” I was surprised at the great absence of dialog through most of the movie. This allowed the audience to focus more on the computer generated artistry and had a powerful emotive effect with all the thematic subtleties. It was refreshingly different work from Pixar…which was very much welcomed and appreciated.

Charlosa says:

Having read the above comments and reviews on other sites, before Wall-E was released here in the UK I was aware that the not only was the film capable of releasing an emotion in the viewer over what is fundamentally a love story between two robots but also had released a lot of emotive opinions from a number of people who had watched the films as well as those had decided to have preconceived ideas without even seeing it… The opinions varied from the excited positive to the downright aggressive negative with little in between.

For the Brits out there and the initiated that have had the experience, the comments and reviews have been nothing short of Marmite like – You either love it or you hate it…

I chose to watch it with both a “Pixar fan” biased view and an open mind and was left stunned by the efforts of Pixar with a film that in my humble opinion is nothing short of genius. From the inquisitive opening sequence where we see Wall-E busy working on his daily task (while being side-tracked with new things to discover), through his efforts to get close to EVE followed by his showing her all his “things”, all the way up to his attempts to “wake” her up. It is fair to say that this is the most spell binding portion of the film, with the more natural feel and flow to the story. What follows once we discover the humans and the other robots may not feel quite the same, but it is still lights years ahead of the competition.

I saw Kungfu Panda last night and while it was certainly better than most of Dreamworks recent dross, it still didn’t come close to the magic of cinema that Wall-E evoked in me both the first and the second time I watched it… If I was reviewing Wall-E I would have no hesitation to give it 5 out of 5 and put it up there with my personal Pixar favourites Finding Nemo and Monsters Inc.

One last comment – the short animation Presto is comic brilliance and is reminiscent of the classic era of Tex Avery cartoons…

Anyone feeling another Pixar Oscar on the cards?

“Anyone feeling another Pixar Oscar on
the cards?”

Well there’s not much in the way of competition for best animated film, so, yes.

Vic

Joey says:

loved wall-e; wasn’t preachy, just smart and accurate. I was 270lbs, 3 years ago, currently 155. if you asked me if I was enjoying life then I’d have said ‘i guess’ with little enthusiasm.

I’m interpreting this ‘enjoying life’ stance as a lazy way of saying: “don’t tell me what to do.” being healthy is happiness, I feel like a different person, and I’m sure I’m not alone in that.

looking forward to owning Wall-e
thanks vic

Daniel Fenwick says:

Not everyone judges their happiness based on if they are fat or not. Personally I was in really good shape got in a terrible accident and gained 70 pounds because I was unable to exercise for an entire year. Once I was able to walk again and get exercise I wasn’t really in the mood I was enjoying my self just fine. The only thing that made me unhappy in life with my weight was the judgment of superficial people. Now that I have recently dropped 40 pounds and am getting back to my previous shape I am no happier than I was before. I get to spend less time doing things I enjoy so I can work out and I eat less of the food I like so I can drop down to my previous weight. Suddenly superficial judgment doesn’t seem so bad.

Ken J says:

I thought The Incredibles was great because it focused on the whole family bond thing. But I don’t think I will be seeing anymore Pixar films in theaters anymore. The more they try to preach their political ideas on children films, the more I want to just stop watching their films completely, but they are definitely entertaining. Well, except Happy Feet, that was just stupid… That WAS Pixar wasn’t it?

I do want to watch this, but I guess I’ll wait until someone else rents it or if someone I know owns it I will borrow it from them, but I don’t think I will be giving any of my money to them anymore. That’s just me.

Thanks for the excellent review.

Pixar did not make Happy Feet, which I have never seen.

Vic

Ken J says:

Oh oops, so I guess it isn’t a “trend” with Pixar then. Happy Feet was OK in the beginning. It was funny, but the whole premise of singing penguins is as stupid as it sounds, and him tap dancing around wasn’t too charming in my opinion to begin with. What I didn’t get was how his singing was horribly worse than his normal talking voice. It’s like when he wants to sing all of a sudden his vocal chords get all messed up or something… Didn’t make much sense. But anyway, it was still pretty funny anyhow.

But at around the middle, they start hinting at a “humans are evil” type message, then they attack zoos, then in the end, it get’s into an all-out preach fest, even dragging the UN into the picture…

It was stupid, don’t watch it.

I guess it isn’t a Pixar trend, but it appears they have jumped on the bandwagon…

Oh well, I’m sure someone I know has a copy of it so I can see it.

avoidz says:

Good review.

I just watched this (on a not-so-great quality bootleg DVD).

The human actors took me out of the movie, too. I don’t get why they didn’t just animate humans instead. Strange decision.

I also felt a lack of story and connection with the characters, and the ending was a bit unbelievable (all those fatties fixing up a ruined Earth?).

I enjoyed the Toy Story films much more, probably more than anything Pixar has done since.

Sude says:

Hallo,
Ich liebe Wall.e und ihr?
Wall.e ist süß.

Matt says:

WALL-E *was* Pixar’s best work, by far. That is obvious to anyone who will open their mind. :)

@Matt

Maybe best technically, but I’m not drinking the Kool-Aid. Story-wise it was not their best.

Vic

Mach D says:

Wall-e’s Personality seems to be picked from the Theory where robots eventually evolve through time and learn how to oblige by there own rules (i.e. iRobot)

The Movie Shows a minor Possibility with its M-O model robot, where his Duties are made to decontaminate but also follow a Lined course to its duties. Eventually a glitch (or maybe Order of Operations) forces him to remove himself from the LINE to Decontaminate the Area, which may be considered a High Priority.

Though not widely explained, it leaves alot of room to speculate with (possibly intention) Easter Eggs.

BTW wasn’t That BURN-E short pretty cool too? Nice to see because for some odd reason, I wondered what happened to him as he got locked out.

Anyways, Great Movie. Many may disagree but some people pick up all the pieces better then others and this film was not ‘Action packed’ or ‘Full of Comedy’ like other CGI movies but suprisingly caught my attention without much dialogue.

Matt says:

Anyone who thinks WALL-E is preachy deserves to be preached to.

@Matt

Uh, yeah… whatever, dude.

Vic

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