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  • seleneh
    lol, shock horror, a woman that has a strong opinion!? Twilight is a nice little piece of escapism but that does not make it a classic. Anyone who puts Twilight up there with the likes of The Iliad is quite mad.
  • Wanda Unbreakable
    I loved reading Midnight Sun and would love for Stephenie to finish it; also I would love to hear what Edward is thinking while he is away from Bella. That would be interesting.
    Also why not continue on with Renesmee? How she grows, what she does with her life, will she or will she not love Jacob if and when she is grown. I love the series because it is basically a love story and it was sorta a let down when I had read all the books.
  • SAM
    I hope they make Breaking Dawn into 2 movies !
  • ItalianChick4
    @tori
    I like your opinion on things. Like you, it's those parts of Edward i love. You are able to see what happens when Bella is not around. Edward is generally mature guy(for a hundred year old) and he is just great to read about. I agree with what you say, " opinion is an opinion until a proven fact", and I'm not that different from you in age (15). ;) You'll go far with your thinking!
  • amanda
    @tori you are well beyond your years, an old soul.
  • tori
    @gottarhyme-
    I agree with you, but you put to much effort into going your way, and i dont mean this to be mean, but, and i have heard this saying many a time, "Never doubt what you can't prove, until the given time has come, for you shall surely regret, what you have pointed out to the young." Now i know this is really close to what we talk of, but it does make since. i am of the young age,(14) but i know enough to say opinion's are opinion's until ther is proven fact, i don't expect Twilight to become within a 500 year limit because it does not base a reality, but i believe someone will write of some sort of story fairly close to Twilight and it will be loved and treasured for a limited time until given up. shakespeare has made a loving story which is good, but when life hands you a good book, putting it down before you finish is a waste. you dont have to love it for a couple hundred years, but you can love the meaning as it comes to you.
  • tori
    @italianchick4-
    I think you are right about Midnight Sun, But i also believe that it will be diffrent from Twilight, because i remember the part where they are driving and he says that he had to drive around and read people minds to find her. i think i could picture his worry, like he was hanging from a half torn tiny piece of string trying to get to the other end to save her.and his anger wanting to kill them (those low life drunks) didn't really help his idea of keeping her safe. since he started talking to her, you could tell that he loved her in both his thirst for her and his protection of her mortality so he can live with her everyday scent and love her blush, so he can feel the warmth of her blood rush to her face as he delicately touched her cheek. He is a very gentle soul and i love that.
  • tori
    hmmmmm...
    I personally would love to here a fifth for the Twilight. But from a website i found, im sure you have all heard of it, www.bellasdiary.com, i think they should continue to were Charlie is a vampire (that would make a good reason to bring back the Volturi) and with Jacob moving around with them so he and Renesmee can live happy together just like her mommy and daddy. And i also hope that Alice's story is in New Moon. It upset almost everyone of my friends that read Twilight that Carlisle's wasnt in it. We wanted to have our image of Carlisle running to hide become a reality. And i also believe that after i read Breaking Dawn, i felt it should continue, like it wasn't intirely finished, i felt that it should continue on to something else...
  • amanda
    Here is one of my favorite quotes from a book, i thought you all would appreciate it. "There are also books full of great writing that don't have very good stories. Read sometimes for the story. Don't be like the book-snobs who won't do that. Read sometimes for the words- the language. Don't be like the play-it-safers that won't do that. But when you find a book that both has a good story and good words, treasure that book." Stephen King, "Heats in Atlantis"
  • Razzle
    The idea of spin offs is ridiculous. It should be up to the author to decide whether or not to continue the story. No one is saying anything about Harry Potter spin offs so why should Twilight be any different?
  • Nicola Baker
    @montana evans, haha, nope you never but it doesnt matter I still knew what you meant.
    Thanks I think it would be great too, hope Stephenie writes more, I love the world she has created. Just dont want it to be turned into cheap films x
  • ItalianChick4
    @Gottarhyme
    I must agree with Montana Evans you are extremely opinionated. May i suggest considering a coaching position for the Harvard Debate Team? The question above reads "what's your opinion?", & it is what i said. You misunderstood my opinion as to what would be classic or popular. I couldn't consider that as to that fact that Romeo & Juliet is also popular. Many people such as yourself do consider these to be classics. I would have also. Although reading Romeo & Juliet again changed my thoughts to the given title of being a "classic". So i'm to consider myself as a unique reader in your eyes.
  • Montana Evans
    @Gottarhyme You are insanely opinionated. I understand your points of you knowing your stuff, but you are really..pushy.
    Sorry I just had to get that out.
    @Nicola Baker, Hm... Nope! Hahha just I think it would be neat to see it all through Carlise's eyes. did I spell that right? Hm, well anyway, yes.
  • Gottarhyme
    @Italianchick4:

    Sorry, but you obviously think the vdefinition of a 'classic' is open for discussion!

    500 years of scholars disagrees with you I am afraid! Just because a young person 'likes' something (this week) doesn't make it a classic.

    Just because you and maybe your friends don't think 'Romeo and Juliet' is a classic text, worthy of your opinion, makes no difference at all. The fact is, it is, and that TWILIGHT is not.

    The opinions of the followers of popular culture does not hold much water unless you are a scholar of the English literature 'canon', which is established by people way more intelligent and knowledgeable than you or I.

    About 30 years ago, a popular author was Harold Robbins, who wrote in a similar way to Stephanie Meyers. He, he wrote for the masses, and not for the betterment of English literature as an art form, or for the betterment of the English canon. There is nothing wrong with that. Stephanie does the same.

    Please do not confuse 'classic' with 'popular'.

    There are distinct differences.

    'Young people's classics' are pop culture texts 'next week' there will be another (metaphorically speaking). Popular culture is designed to be used, and discarded.

    In order to be classed as a classic a 'classic', a text must stand the test of time, like 'Romeo and Juliet'. Shalkespeare has been aknowledged as the King of English literature for over 500 years!

    Other 'classic' texts attain that honor within 10 years, such as 'Harry Potter', which Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard English literature scholars aknowledge as a classic children's text, in the mould of Narnia.

    Some are classics within the last 100 years, 'Catcher in the Rye', 'Breakfast at Tiffany's', 'In Cold Blood'.

    Might I suggest you look at the winners of the Pulitzer prize, and the Booker prize if you want to know where the next 'classic' will come from?

    I doubt Miss Meyers herself would be so presumptuous to call her efforts 'classics' in the same league as works by the aforementioned authors including Chaucer and Shakespeare!

    I very much doubt if TWILIGHT will be known, loved, or quoted from in 500 years time!
  • Nicola Baker
    @Montana Evans, ROFL x. Any suggestions?
    @Italian Chick you have raised some valid points, and I loke the movie just nowhere near as much as I loved the book. The movie is not how I imagined it due to the fact that most of it was not as the book read, beginning with as soon as Bella is in the truck with Charlie. Its a very loose adaptation to the novel, which in my opinion could have been translated a lot better onto the big screen. Not that I didnt enjoy it I did, but as I have already commented it still left a lot to be desired in all aspects. I am hoping the new director and the extra finances will make NM more like the book. Again as already stated some of the scenes where cringeworthy and the flying/running effects where more like a pantomime than a movie. For those teenagers/adults who are too lazy to actually use their imaginations and read the books rather than having it stuck in front of them the film was wonderful.
    As for Midnight Sun being made into a film I think we as a group are in agreement this would just become repetitive, having read the draft I think it would be an amazing read but had HWood waited for Meyer to actually write it then maybe they culd have included more from Edwrds side, like what happened in Port Angeles etc etc and when Bella went on the run to Pheonix. Another year would not have made much difference to the age group it the film captured and would of given those avid readers a much better perspective.
  • Montana Evans
    @Nicola Baker- only after I wrote it! Haha!
  • ItalianChick4
    I agree to the fact Romeo & Juliet influenced many stories but i just don't believe it's a classic. It is my honest opinion. I love the story of Romeo & Juliet. I also favor many other stories you consider classics including Tristan & Isolde. However, I also admire Stephenie Meyer's work. As Romeo & Juliet is a classic in your eyes, younger people have developed their own taste of classics.
    I don't think a midnight sun movie would be as favorabe. I would love a story told in Edward's eyes. You can actually see more then what's been said in Edward's encounters with Jacob. You get to see what the family says about Bella when she's not present. It makes it interesting. Although I'm not sure I would be excited if the same events constantly happened & it sounds too much like Bella's version.
    I don't agree with a spin-off either. The fact that these four books are being transformed into a movie gives people excitement! It gives them a chance to sit in the theater and say "oh my god! It's exactly how i pictured it in my head!". A spin-off would be interesting to see what would come out of it, but i'm not sure it would come to sense with Stephenie Meyer's already written world. If she chose to write the spin-off herself it would then eat away at the fanatics that crave to see what she brings to the table!
    Stephenie Meyer does not stand next to J.k. Rowling no, but she has the potential to stand tall with her work... J.k. Rowling is just simply...taller
  • Nicola Baker
    @montana evans, did you read the earlier discussions regarding your idea?
  • darreal
    I think if they are going to keep it going they could focus on what could happen after the last one or that would be more of stephanie meyer's job i guess.


    either way no matter what they did i would probably watch it atleast once.
  • Montana Evans
    Hmm..
    I love Twilight. But this just doesn't sound like a good idea at all. It would be a disaster. I think the only way one of these things would end up being even semi-successful, would be for the story line to be about how the Cullen family came to be.
  • Nicola Baker
    @gottarhyme thanksIthink they made an Australian tv series of Round The Twist. We've read pretty much all of the Roald Dahl collection in fact he went dressed as Willy Wonka to International Book Day.
    Will look into the other suggestions for him though and thank you for your help.
  • gottarhyme
    Oh! and don't forget 'The Indian in the Cupboard' It's fantastic.
  • gottarhyme
    @Nicola Baker A great series for little boys I have found that enthralls them, and is age appropriate is 'The Hatchet' by Gary Paulson. Its about a boy who is stranded in the Canadian wilderness after a plane crash, and has to survive all alone in the Canadian wilderness. There are others in the series. 'Hatchet the return', and 'Hatchet Winter'

    Lots of fun 'boy' adventure. It has a happy ending.

    Another really great book is 'Holes',by Lewis Sachar. I really love this novel. It is one you might enjoy reading with him as well. There is a film with Shia LeBouef in it to watch after you have read the book.

    Both books are appropriate for a ten year old reading level.
    Other books that are great are Paul Jennings "Round the Twist" a series of short stories about a family that live in a Lighthouse.

    Raold Dahl, 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' and 'Charlie and the great glass elevator', or 'James and the Giant Peach' are also pretty good.

    The best thing you can do as a parent is read the stories with him, develop a love of reading in him, and he will always be top of his class. :)
  • Nicola Baker
    @gottarhyme, thank you and I am definately going to check out at least one of the books. I feel a little loss as after Twilight sort of knocked me off guard a bit. So if these books are half as engrossing for me as Stephenie Meyers were then I think my family will be missing me for the whole holiday ha ha.
    Looking for something for my 6year old who has been assessed with a reading ability of a 10year old. When I was little I loved King of the Copper Mpuntains but as you are a teacher maybe you could think of some lit that may be an easy read for him. Harry Potter a bit too daunting for him I think.
  • gottarhyme
    Not a book snob! If you bothered to read my comments, I read A LOT. A lot of different genres, a lot of different novels.

    I love detective novels, and trashy romance as much as the next person. I love good Sci Fi, good fantasy, a good mystery, as well as a summer read, such as anything by Joanne Harris, or Amy Tan. I read children's literature. That is how TWILIGHT and HARRY POTTER first crossed my desk. It was marketed as a 'teen romance'. I know adults like it too. That is not the point.

    I read for enjoyment too, it doesn't mean I can't be subjective about the writing style or the originality of the prose!

    'Romeo and Juliet' was the FIRST EVER ROMANCE ever written. If you don't think that it is a classic, where do you think the idea of 'star crossed lovers' came from? TWILIGHT, and every other novel owes it a lot!

    @Nicola Baker...You can read the novel by the pool, it doesn't have a naked vampire on the front, just the picture of a woman's face. Trust me, nobody will know. My girlfriends who love the Twilight saga, keep thanking me for introducing the tragically romantically and sexually charged and tense relationship between Anita, the necromancer, Jean Claude, the Master vampire of the city of New Orleans, and the man who is a Teacher, but a werewolf, with whom she attempts to have a normal life.

    I made a mistake with the author's name though! My apologies!

    The novels I speak of are called The 'Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter' series, and they are by Laurell.K.Hamilton NOT Sherylin Kenyon, who writes an entirely different series called The DARK HUNTER series, about Mythical Gods from Greece and Rome who take human form to fight the forces of evil, but fall for mortal women in their wake.

    Both series have their merits, and make good trashy summer reads, that you will become totally engrossed in, once you begin.

    The first Laurell.K.Hamilton novel is called, 'Guilty Pleasures', then there is 'The Laughing Corpse', 'Circus of the Damned', 'The Lunatic Cafe' and so on. 'The Circus of the Damned' is the climactic novel, where she makes a choice between the vampire and the werewolf.

    These novels were written a while before TWILIGHT, so you might see similarities.

    THE DARK HUNTER series are a lot more risque. But the mythology is well researched, and very interesting.
  • Nicola Baker
    I think you were a little confused we are discussing classics not the genre of the classics.
    I never said Twilight was a classic I said it will stand its test of time and that Stephenies writing will get much better as she writes more.
  • ItalianChick4
    I agree that the 'Twilight Saga' wouldn't be a classic love story. And then again i wouldn't agree some of the classics would be a "classic".
    Everyone can agree Romeo & Juliet is a classic love story. & how? they are 2 overly- dramatic, hormoned teenagers & they only know each other/see each other for less then a week.
    I wouldn't consider Harry Potter or Narnia a love story either. Narnia is an adventure with more hate then there is love. & Harry Potter love is either drama or dies in the next installment. They would be classic adventure & classic fantasy/adventure.
    The Twilight Sagas are not classics. I doubt to think Stephenie Myer is uncapable to come out with better literature. Twilight is just the beginning in my eyes...
  • Nicola Baker
    Hi Amanda,

    I loved Twilight and loved it sooo much I am reading it again just not as quickly. I'm definately not a book snob ;).
  • amanda
    You know I am really tired of book snobs. I read novels, also, just not for a living. If a book takes you away then thats all that matters. Stop analyzing the book for grammar errors and how "well written" it is. If that is all you do then you aren't a book lover you are a book snob. I say, if the book takes you away, then it is well written.
  • Nicola Baker
    Trust me I'm not a prude, and I can see your point just wondering if it would be ok for a family holiday? Which is the first one again? The site I am on doesnt really give me a clue it just shows all of them in a random order.
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