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  1. In order to enjoy this movie, you need to spend less time on the internet. Since the internet messes with your psyche, disconnects your ability to read human emotions (psychology fact), there is no way you can enjoy this movie. I am a very rabid novel reader, and I also spend 90% of my time offline. “Tron: Legacy” is the perfect narrative to a potentially larger world, which Disney can flesh out through various forms of media. “Tron: Legacy” has reintroduced the origin story for a new generation, so it can build upon the potential possibilities for a franchise. As a result of wiping out everything at the end, the writers can rebuild a new (more modernized) world without rebooting the old movie. Its cleaver.

    As for the emotional disconnections, people have to understand that characters in games do not feel emotions. They are hollow pawns motivated by a complex algorithm. Remember what Chu (ap?) said at the end? “I did everything I was programed to do…” Get it?

  2. I saw the movie in IMAX 3D and it was perfect for the big, big screen however I agree with Highlander concerning the 3D, it just wasn’t very impressive. I enjoyed the movie and would recommend it to others but the 3D effect is not worth the extra money spent. If I pay extra to see a 3D movie, I want to be blown away.
    Some of the previews prior to the feature film were very impressive and shows just how potentially awesome 3D can be. Did anyone else see the elephants and orangutans in 3D. It seemed like I could reach out and touch them.
    Even the preview for the International Space Station that came on just before Avatar was mind blowing. The astronaunt seem to be floating right in front of me.
    Other than that, I liked the pace of the story and the characters. I hope there will be a sequel.

  3. Just saw the movie with my nine-year-old son. We really enjoyed it. I thought the movie did a nice job delivering an action-adventure film that wasn’t hokey even thought it didn’t take itself too seriously… and it managed that while remaining kid-friendly.

    Perhaps my favorite gag in the film was when “Daddy Flynn” smacks the program on the head to get him to work right. That was a riot.

  4. Tron Legacy failed in every aspect except for Daft Punk. I would like to see them score more films.

    The 3D was nothing special. Save your money and see it in 2D. Your eyes will thank you.

    The cinematography felt like it was shot on stage against a blue/green screen. The digital cinematography for the all cg shots were stale and unimaginative as were the design of action sequences. Did anyone else notice the repetition of the same type of shots over and over again? A painfully limited bag of tricks.

    The story was an outline of some cool ideas, nothing more which is why you have plot holes you can drive a Recognizer through.

    The VFX was ok. Nothing special. CG 35 year old Flynn was laughable. Not convincing in the slightest. Next time, Disney, go to ILM or Weta for CG humans.

    What’s with clouds, rain, fireworks, and water in the grid?

    • let’s keep in mind that the water was already there. it was shown as well in the old Movie of TRON. so it’s no surprise. i think the fireworks thing is just for eye-candy

  5. My biggest disappointment was with the dialog. Jeff Bridges sounded like Shaggy from Scooby Doo. I realize that his language would still sound like someone from 1989. But I lived through that time. We didn’t talk like beat nics. Flynn was all “groovy” and “jazz” and “dig that.” It was very distracting.

    Add to that the confusion already mentioned about the isos and how it was never explained why they were such a miracle and you will understand why I was so let down by the plot.

    Like everyone else, I thought the visuals were nice. I didn’t hate the virtual nature of Clu. I thought it was a nice advancement for this film to make considering how groundbreaking the original film was. It wasn’t perfect but it was a peak at what may come to be standard technique over the next 20 years.

    Finally, I thought it was interesting that Boxleitner has aged better than Bridges but he didn’t get the digital face lift treatment. Seems like it would have been easier to pull off for him but whatever.

    • Go back and watch the original film. Jeff Bridges was just drawing from the past film. His language, gestures, etc… It all goes back to the original flick. “Man” :)

  6. I enjoyed it for what it was…..a freaking movie. It was visualy stimulating, fun to watch…had some action, hot girls, cool beats. I liked it and I can’t wait to hear it in my home with a pair of SVS subs blasting in front of me.

    my 2 cents……

    END OF LINE……………………

  7. Honestly, this is the first time in a while that I left a movie thoroughly disappointed I wasted the time and money. Usually I go into films with a very open mind and rarely do I leave regretful I even attended. But TRON was absolutely horrible. Beside some good daft punk beats, the not nearly as cool 3D technology as Avatar and Olivia Wilde, this movie did nothing for me. It was slow, boring, immature and pathetically cliche. The writing was childish (ex/ “What’s the sun like” “Wow, I’ve never been asked to describe it before. Warm, radiant and beautiful”) Are you kidding me? The grid, the portal and “Clue” (a terribly thought out name might I add) had less collective credibility than the Continum Transfunctioner from “Dude Where’s my Car”. At no point in the movie was I emotionally invested in the characters and the writing prevented any form of palpable compassion to be felt between the awkward father-son, user-iso relationships. Do not waste the $13.50, please.

    • Honestly, this is the first time in a while that I left a movie thoroughly disappointed I wasted the time and money.

      RE: !!!

      Usually I go into films with a very open mind and rarely do I leave regretful I even attended. But TRON was absolutely horrible.

      RE: no it wasn’t it was pretty thought provoking! you just need to take the time to differentiate between all the facts that could be there and give it a chance.

      Beside some good daft punk beats, the not nearly as cool 3D technology as Avatar and Olivia Wilde,

      RE: Olivia was hot in this film. but the book she chose was lame lols

      this movie did nothing for me. It was slow, boring, immature and pathetically cliche. The writing was childish (ex/ “What’s the sun like” “Wow, I’ve never been asked to describe it before. Warm, radiant and beautiful”) Are you kidding me?

      RE: oh come one… get off the lame stuff. i usually bypass that stuff and look at what the film had to offer instead of what it has to lose. ;)

      The grid, the portal and “Clue” (a terribly thought out name might I add)
      RE: that name is CLU!!! and it’s a program thank you very much take the time to see the original tron. you can find it on the internet these days anyway.

      had less collective credibility than the Continum Transfunctioner from “Dude Where’s my Car”. At no point in the movie was I emotionally invested in the characters and the writing prevented any form of palpable compassion to be felt between the awkward father-son, user-iso relationships. Do not waste the $13.50, please.

      RE: well it’s the persons lost. it’s a good movie not characterized as the best movie of the year. but will give you some thought provoking nerd rage ideas. and some great eye candy. just give it a chance

  8. It was a great film I may say especially to the people that didnt see the 1st one.It has great storyline and I like the fact that it has a lil’ touch of retro in it. It’s one of those that becomes an instant cult classic!

    • Btw,the guy that played the leader of the Lycans in Underworld was great and I think he should play the riddler in one the Dark Knights sagas!

  9. Can somebody explain to me these following things?

    1. The bum in Tron City? Seriously? Sam gives some digital bum his bike. Why would there be bums in Tron City?

    2. How was Clu going to shove a whole army though a tiny laser?

    3. What the f*ck is a ISO?

    • According to Wikipedia:

      “An ISO image (International Organization for Standardization) is an archive file (also known as a disc image) of an optical disc, composed of the data contents of every written sector of an optical disc, including the optical disc file system. ISO images can be created from optical discs, or can be used to recreate optical discs using software from many software vendors. ISO image files typically have a file extension of .iso. The name ISO is taken from the ISO 9660 file system used with CD-ROM media, but an ISO image might also contain a UDF file system.”

      • How does that apply to Tron Legacy! Let the flaming begin!

      • btw iso is not what you think a disc is. i knew where you were going. but there full name is ISOMORPHIC ALGORITHM!! and they are very important to the film! they are the program that were created by Flynn’s DNA in the process of finding the ultimate paradise and medical advancement

        and ISOMORPHS are programs that add themselves to an equation to find the outcome and solution. thus the reason why Quorra always had the need to add herself to a problem she was programmed to do that.

    • Can somebody explain to me these following things?

      1. The bum in Tron City? Seriously? Sam gives some digital bum his bike. Why would there be bums in Tron City?

      “quoted from Bill, the Wildcat 1 day ago

      I will admit that the first time someone mentioned the bum in “Tron City,” I thought that odd, too. Here’s the deal, though. Don’t we all have programs on our computers that we haven’t used in years? Programs that we once used a lot, but have lost their purpose to better programs? I don’t often delete them from my system since I might need them again in the future to access older files which might end up incompatible with newer programs, so I suppose those would be the “bums” of the computer world.”

      2. How was Clu going to shove a whole army though a tiny laser?

      that tiny laster creates a lot of energy and i think you are over thinking that part. what is the purpose of remembering that? it didn’t even occur so why bother questioning it? the guy had crazy motives that’s all and that’s it

      3. What the f*ck is a ISO?

      “quoted from Nick1991 4 days ago

      The ISO’S where just simply brought into being like Flynn said, no one had created them so they aren’t programs and are closer to being human then the programs ever could be (note the quadruple helix of Quorras DNA when they repaired her arm) and as far as the “miracle” about them is that they are pretty much impervious to disease or sickness they can even grow their own limbs back (you can literally pluck the bad strans or “corrupted code” out of them)because they are a cross breed between human and computer….you can maybe even consider them as being an organic computer of sorts”

      since you don’t feel like going through the forum and learning XP

  10. The real title is Flynn’s Legacy when you stop and think about it. which won’t take long.

  11. I just watched the film. Honestly, it was very entertaining. Can’t understand where the souring graping from critics (except for Roger Ebert) are coming from. It’s like you were given a chair, all the critics are criticizing how the surface of the chair was barnished or how the cuts and edges of the seat were chiseled and sandpaper brushed or how the angle of the recline, etc, etc. For me, the chair felt very comfortable to sit on.

  12. Wasn’t that impressed, there should have been a lot more emotion and battle scenes, especially from Bridges.. I mean, he created the world, and all he can manage is the odd switch on a wall.

    He’s sat on his ass meditating and looking old throughout most of the movie.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love Jeff.. But they didn’t “use” him. There was no “hero” in this movie, it was just an excuse for Disney to bring the franchise back onto an earner. Criminal. Pretty average movie. I was dissapointed, it should have been as spectacular as the first (or even second) terminator movies.

    I have only 4 wishes. (In order of importance).

    1) Tron 2.1 to still have Jeff Bridges (in some kind of “master” Jedi of the grid role).
    2) Tron better still be alive.
    3) Tron 2.1 better have FAR more action scenes.
    4) This better not go straight to TV series.

    Only then will I try to forgive this movies loss of direction.

    • I thought his son was the hero of the movie or did i miss something?

  13. i’m not really gonna ‘review’ the movie, but i kinda just want to ‘discuss’ the movie. > u < so there are somethings i want to point out/discuss with you guys, if you don't mind. i'd like your opinion back. :D

    -i don't really think tron is REALLY dead. i mean, the only reason why other programs are derezzed is because they were slashed/cut/attacked/crashed/crushed/etc. by other vehicles or programs. tron was not attacked nor crushed when he fell into the sea, plus his lights didn't turn off, but it changed colors. so there might be a chance he is alive. plus, if there was a sea, wouldn't there be a chance that they would treat it like water and swimmers in the real world? because programs were drinking at castor's night club, and they even had dinner at kevin's house! :0 so no way can tron be fried because his circuits got wet (he's wearing a suit for heaven's sake). plus it would be weird if there was a third movie called tron, when there is no tron in it…
    -how could quorra be human if she was never one in the first place? how did her programming suddenly turn to real human flesh? i understand why sam is, but i don't get quorra. :C
    -what did sam download at the end and put around his neck? is it kevin who is alive in electronic mode? because if not, it would be weird if you download the 'corpse' of your father. :/ but it can't be anything that would help humanity because quorra is already out.
    -wouldn't alan be curious why sam suddenly came out with a girl?
    -finally, i'm kinda lost on why it's called 'tron: LEGACY'. is it because in the end, sam ended up taking the LEGACY of his father's company? that's kinda corny then…

    • I kinda thought at the end he downloaded the grid and put it around his neck to work on it. Unless she was already outside waiting on Sam when Alan got there. That one was kinda weird because there is no time reference when he gets out of the grid to when it shows him outside the grid. Wanted to see Tron come in and save the day as Tron at the end. I wasnt expecting for Kevin to go out liek that.

    • i’m not really gonna ‘review’ the movie, but i kinda just want to ‘discuss’ the movie. > u < so there are somethings i want to point out/discuss with you guys, if you don't mind. i'd like your opinion back. :D

      RE: sounds good to me

      -i don't really think tron is REALLY dead.
      RE: well that's obvious. he fights for the users, so in any case it think he's recreated. my personal thought on tron is that he is like a virus protector. he scans sectors and generally makes sure that no one is playing bad games on other programs. more like a guider than a dictator. he fights for the users and that's it. if there's trouble expect him to be there, when the going gets tough.

      i mean, the only reason why other programs are derezzed is because they were slashed/cut/attacked/crashed/crushed/etc. by other vehicles or programs.

      RE: well sure. remember that the grid is nothing but "RAM" so to speak or "Memory" each "program" was created by a user. of course in the world of the "GRID" programs have human type qualities. and let's not forget that time there is different from our time. a cycle is about 8 hours. so 24 hours is 3 cycles which mean 3 days has passed for our little "Programs"

      tron was not attacked nor crushed when he fell into the sea, plus his lights didn't turn off, but it changed colors.

      RE: i think the light turning off thing was to show that he was pulling himself out of the clutches of Clu's mind control. Clu had somehow reprogrammed Tron.

      so there might be a chance he is alive.

      RE: like i said last time TRON can't really die. i really believe that! he's like a virus protector. just there when you need him most. but if you guys wanna argue my idea go ahead i like hearing others ideas. just do it so respectfully. no one likes to be shutdown (no pun intended)

      plus, if there was a sea, wouldn't there be a chance that they would treat it like water and swimmers in the real world? because programs were drinking at castor's night club, and they even had dinner at kevin's house! :0 so no way can tron be fried because his circuits got wet (he's wearing a suit for heaven's sake).

      RE: let's keep in mind how programs are built! programs are nothing but a bunch of tiny bits that build them up. remember how Quorra had her disentegrated? those were nothing but blocks. if you remember correctly it wasn't until she had her "corrupted" data/DNA fixed that she was able to rebuild and reboot her system.

      plus it would be weird if there was a third movie called tron, when there is no tron in it…

      RE: :P that would suck! they'd have to call it CLU instead ;) jk clu died i forgot. (during the immersion process of user and program… that one still boggles my mind, oh well it's just sci-fi)

      -how could quorra be human if she was never one in the first place? how did her programming suddenly turn to real human flesh? i understand why sam is, but i don't get quorra. :C

      RE: i get what you are saying, that one is a little weird. i think the laser has something to do with it. (IDK don't take it to seriously) in any case i think it has something to do with the fact that she is an ISO.

      -what did sam download at the end and put around his neck? is it kevin who is alive in electronic mode? because if not, it would be weird if you download the 'corpse' of your father. :/ but it can't be anything that would help humanity because quorra is already out.

      RE: i thought it was Sam's dad. lol corpse. i think Sams dad is still alive. or Sam still believes it. and possibly thinking of a way to ressurect him through the data bits that are still around.

      -wouldn't alan be curious why sam suddenly came out with a girl?

      RE: i'm sure there was a cut scene in there that we didn't notice. because let's recall that the two of them had different clothing on. so i'm presuming some time had passed before Sam "paged (sp)" Alan.

      -finally, i'm kinda lost on why it's called 'tron: LEGACY'. is it because in the end, sam ended up taking the LEGACY of his father's company? that's kinda corny then…

      RE: hahaha lols possibly. or Legacy as in we will remember who TRON really was b4 he became evilly controlled by CLU

  14. This movie is obviosuly a complete setup for a reboot, probably Disney’s new franchise to replace Pirates of the Carribean. Kind of dissappointing due to the fact that Disney isn’t awesome at sequels by any means.
    Putting that aside, this movie wasn’t that bad. Had a solid plot line that developed as the movie goes on which is more than a lot of movies can say (I think Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart would agree). I’m younger so I haven’t seen the old one and don’t know all the references in whatnot, but I will be watching it to catch up. Anyway, Tron was a good gateway for Disney as to a new franchise because a lot of things could happen.
    A) Tron is “killed,” but he is also left on a blank grid. Maybe Sam goes back for a peak and Tron has that place looking like a big glowstick again?
    B)They step off the grid and focus on Quorra and her knack for knowing things we don’t know. Sam’s back on top at Emcom, able to spend loads on research that no one knows about (like a Bruce Wayne wannabe, except he doesn’t have Morgan Freeman being awesome). Helps cure diseases and such.
    C)There’s a few more, it’s just 2am and ideas aren’t running freely around me.

    I do agree that Disney should have done more with the 3D, it was awesome in “the games” but really became lackluster as the movie went on.

    Tron was in the movie, Clu had reprogrammed him as Rensler (or however it’s spelled). I was slighlty disappointed that the character the movie was named after might as well have been Sir-not-appearing-in-this-film (Holy Grail anyone?).

    One thing I would love to discuss is how switching Quorra and K Flynn’s discs plays out. Flynn comes back because his identity is saved and he can be cloned or something? Quorra loses her super knowledge? It’s really been kind of eating at me.

    All in all, I think people will think this movie was A LOT better when
    the sequel comes out and makes ends meet.

    This was really long, so if you’re still reading thanks for bearing with me and my opinions and sorry for not being more to the point, but it’s too late for complex thought. Would love to hear some feedback though!

    • I do agree that Disney should have done more with the 3D, it was awesome in “the games” but really became lackluster as the movie went on.

      RE: yes the games were pretty cool i liked them as well

      Tron was in the movie, Clu had reprogrammed him as Rensler (or however it’s spelled). I was slighlty disappointed that the character the movie was named after might as well have been Sir-not-appearing-in-this-film (Holy Grail anyone?).

      RE: i was too :P but i think they kept the name so people wouldn’t be confused as TRON back in the 80s was a great movie and a lot of Adults (children back then) liked it. it was really ahead of it’s time. i saw the movie and the CGI was corny a little… lols i still think it was awesome. i understood what was going on to a T.

      One thing I would love to discuss is how switching Quorra and K Flynn’s discs plays out. Flynn comes back because his identity is saved and he can be cloned or something? Quorra loses her super knowledge? It’s really been kind of eating at me.

      RE: alright remember back when sam was being dressed up by those girls? the disc was added to him and he was totally fine without it.the discs are primarilly just memory chips. they hold no real value to the person holding them, save for the fact that it gives every detail of that persons body and mind. (and maybe for healing purposes for elite programs or users (clu would have had the ultimate knowledge if he had FLynn’s disk meaning he could then start creating programs aside from recycling them) think of it as a Facebook on your back sorta thing. it’s not required to live. but in this world it is required if you are gonna walk the streets of the “GRID” and not get killed or derezzed. as for Flynn if you remember flash backs when he was telling his story, of bulding upon the Grid the perfect City, he wasn’t wearing a suit or a disk. so that means it was not necessary to survive.

      All in all, I think people will think this movie was A LOT better when
      the sequel comes out and makes ends meet.

      RE: it does make ends meet. personally i think the world as a whole is still missing because if you remember from the original TRON movie. there were platforms and other things that were fit into the terrain. not just rocks and what not.

      This was really long, so if you’re still reading thanks for bearing with me and my opinions and sorry for not being more to the point, but it’s too late for complex thought. Would love to hear some feedback though!

      RE: lols i love reading. i just read a long one a few seconds ago so don’t feel bad. i’ve written longer ones ;)

      RE: btw sorry if some of my thoughts seem incomplete. comment back to me and i’ll try to make the most of correcting my incompleteness

      • Thanks for the comment. I actually went and saw it again and I see where you’re coming from with the disc thing, it makes sense because the disc was more of an identity than an actual genetic code for a person. Thanks for the comments, I’ve been waiting for someone to comment on this to see if I wasn’t just crazy haha.

        • You’re Welcome… lols the movie is a little crazy in itself. like someone said earlier this movie has plot holes that you could fit a recognizer through

    • The way the box office did, it’s a complete flop, so there is a 0% chance of a sequel, even though I did very much enjoy the movie.

      • well if you enjoyed it. then most likely a sequel will come out… in about another 20 years lols ;)

      • 85 million worldwide in five days according to Box Office Mojo. Yup it’s a financial failure.

        • meh at least it wasn’t as bad as “the last airbender”

      • Nobody expected it to be a huge smash hit. It’s a niche movie, even the studio head said that. Yeah they spent about 100 mill marketing it but realistically it has to make at least 400 million for the studio to green light a sequel. Nobody in their right mind expected it to make more than 350-450 million.

  15. You have vaild points about the movie, but!!!!!

    WHAT THE HELL IS THE DEAL WITH THE BUM IN TRON CITY?

    Why would there be a bum in Tron City? Sam gives the old lightcycle to what looks like a digital bum drinking from a digital flask. Really? I just can’t wrap my head around the idea that there is poverty and alcoholism in The Grid. If Kevin Flynn programmed that, he deserves to blow up like a b**** at the end.

    • I will admit that the first time someone mentioned the bum in “Tron City,” I thought that odd, too. Here’s the deal, though. Don’t we all have programs on our computers that we haven’t used in years? Programs that we once used a lot, but have lost their purpose to better programs? I don’t often delete them from my system since I might need them again in the future to access older files which might end up incompatible with newer programs, so I suppose those would be the “bums” of the computer world.

      • great analogy :) i love that idea. and yes that is very true… unless you are like me and Create “Programs” that go around derezzing those dumb BUMS ;)

        • Yeah, Clu is supposed to clean the system in order to reach perfection right? The task Flynn has programmed him to do. Why would there be bums in that case?

          • i personally think it has something to do with the writers terrible writing capability of explaing certain things. but yes you’re right CLU should have exterminated those guys as well. but maybe it’s like an underground thing. maybe these programs are a lot harder to find than intendedly thought so CLU can’t exterminate all of them. like a computer defrag. these are just my ideas. but make due with your thoughts as well. we’re just at the mercy of compensating for the poorly written work and plot holes.

            ~ps sorry for the double post browser mess up

      • I think BUMS are old temp files waiting to be cleaned up! :)

    • i was laughing when i saw a bum at the city.
      i mean like, how is that possible? well, maybe after clu took over, the whole city got corrupt, and everyone got a little ‘dirty’.

    • The old program thing is pretty funny, but you’re looking waaaay too into the bum thing. Tron was cool and all, but it’s still a movie. Gotta learn to let the little things go for the sake of developing the plot.

      I think it was a good idea by Disney to do the bum because it helps the audience relate to that world. Not many people can connect with a complete utopia, there’s cracks in every system, it’s how it works.

  16. I like your idea, but I just can’t imagine my old Lotus 1-2-3 database program drinking like a fish, and robbing other programs for sweet sweet drinking money.

    • hahaha! Too funny! I’m loving that mental image.

  17. I mean if Clu was gathering programs for his “army” that he was going to squeeze though a laser that were only armed with large sticks, why wouldn’t the bum in Tron City being “reprogrammed”.

    I’m sorry, but I just couldn’t believe that the director put a bum in Tron City.

  18. Can someone please explain what the heck happened at the end? Why did Clu get sucked into Flynn and why did they explode? Did Flynn have this power all along? Was there some kind of set up for that or explanation?

    I didn’t understand it at all and kind of get the feeling that the filmmakers kind of pulled it out of their… um… hat.

    • Actually, they do set this up earlier in the film, that Flynn could take Clu back into himself since he created the program. The problem was that the result would wipe out pretty much everything, which Flynn had hoped to avoid. That doesn’t mean this wasn’t something they pulled out of their, as you say rather politely… hat. heh

      • The “reintegration” was raised when Sam talks to Quorra about why Flynn hasn’t done something about C.L.U. (on the balcony at Flynn’s hideout). She says the “event” would most likely destroy him.

        I think this is an important part of the whole religious symbolism through the whole movie. The reintegration is a sacrifice which redeems those left behind, like Neo and Smith reintegrating in the Matrix or like Jesus returning to Heaven after the resurrection.

  19. ok heres what i thought, for the last 15 years a fair amount of movies have had SERIOUS passing problems , they seem way to jittery (trying to be action packed) never stopping for a second to get to know the characters.

    Tron legacy on the other hand, really took its time, they even sat down and had a meal together, they had a nice friendly family chat .

    it really felt like a son visiting his father again. the battles where great and they all happened at just the right time. also the movie was very close nit, smaller rooms and the real world it had a perfect 80′s feel.

    ps and i have no idea what people are bitching about saying it has no feeling, i thought it was chalk full of heart.

  20. BEST parts: the entire soundtrack, the jet fight sequence, opening reveals at Flynn’s arcade, the disc fights, some light cycling, and hitting a program over the head just to get it to work! LOL

    GOOD parts: the club fight scene, seeing other characters in the “revolution” thin plot line, Gem’s looks, the ISO plot line

    WTF moments: bum in TRON city (like how users here have given explanations, thanks); TRON turning back to his blue colors and yet we don’t get a 5 second-2 minutes with him coming back out of the “sea”; no big developments in Qourra; time shift after climatic return to the real world; steak and asparagus for dinner at the Flynn’s?

    BAD bits: dialog was lagging and simplistic–why does the music disappear during the exposition?? why isn’t the whole ZEN stuff with Kevin further explored or explained with a few more sentences? why aren’t users mentioned further during Clu’s conquest montage? how can Clu think he can take over the “other world” so easily? plot holes with how ISO or other programs could go through “the portal” and expect to be “users” or human…the ISOs I can take a leap with the whole DNA scene, but the others? no…

    Worth a 3D screening at least once….I’ll probably catch a second viewing over the holidays :) that or buy the soundtrack

  21. The idea of this movie is a little more complex then it lets on. The ISOs are isomorphic algorithms which are complex strings of numbers that mimic a certain situation to find a solution. In this case they mimic the DNA of humans. I think the whole idea of the movie is that Kevin Flynn unlocked the genetic code so that he could pin point which particular genes are coded for which part of the body. This allowing limbs to be regenerated and diseases to be cured. Quorra was the last of this information. At the end of the movie Sam is downloading this information thus “bringing” Quorra into the real world. I dont think that she actually came with him. I feel like when he took her out to see the sun it was a metaphor for bringing a new and revolutionary idea to light.

    • I had been wondering this exact same question. Kevin Flynn had stated that if humans can come into the digital world through the gate, then Programs can also come out into the real world via the same gate. In fact, that was a primary premise of the film (Clu’s plan was to come to the real world through the gate, and to bring his army with him).

      Although I must admit, the thought of half a million digital soldiers standing in that tiny basement room, I find quite amusing.

      So, the question of Quorra: Assuming her appearance in the real world is to be taken literally, it poses a few questions: We know that Users bleed in the digital world rather than derezzing into little cubes (we saw this in Sam’s disc battle with Tron). Does this mean Quorra would not bleed in the real world? Is her anatomy substantially different that humans? If so how would that be of medical assistance would it be as Kevin Flynn proposed? Genetically she would be completely different that ourselves – outside of physical appearance.

      I like the concept that Quorra didn’t actually arrive in the real world, but was rather a visual metaphor for the arrival of new ideas. But if this were the intention of the film, then what was the premise of Clu’s plan to go through the Gate with his army?

      Thoughts?

      • I think that clu’s plan to come through the gate with his army and to spread throughout the world is more like spreading in a computer virus sense. How does a virus work? It breaks into a space and replicates its self millions of times. He shows on the map near the end that he planned to spread throughout the world. My idea on how the iso’s came about is that when Kevin Flynn is digitalized every gene in his body had to be numbered and cached so that he is to be sent into the grid and appear as he does in the real world. Therefore the isos were programs that mimicked his DNA pattern in numbers not in flesh and blood. If you understand genetic and isomorphic algorithms than you can look at the movie deeper. I think disney may have gone too scientific and confused a lot of people with it.

        • That’s actually a really fascinating hypothesis. Rather than the ISO’s spontaneous independently coming into existence on the the grid, their inception is the result of Kevin Flynn’s human DNA interacting with the digital realm which gave them the correct environment in which to manifest.

          That would explain Flynn’s attachment to them, and more poignantly, Clu’s rational for finding them “imperfect” and thus his desire to exterminate them.

          I’m surprised this wasn’t mentioned in the film, but I think you are correct, and this may be analyzing in a little too much granularity for the average Disney audience viewer. : )

        • My idea on how the iso’s came about is that when Kevin Flynn is digitalized every gene in his body had to be numbered and cached so that he is to be sent into the grid and appear as he does in the real world. Therefore the isos were programs that mimicked his DNA pattern in numbers not in flesh and blood.

          RE: that makes a lot of sense then because if this is the case. then he was right about saying “They just manifested themselves”

          • Originally I didn’t like Quorra coming into the real world. In the first film the computer is just storing “deconstructed” reality eg the apple and flynn himself who where returned to the real world. However if your theory is used Quorra is actually created from Flynns deconstructed form and so her coming (returning) into the real world would actually be possible using Flynns stored deconstructed body reassembling the numbers or DNA… Does that mean Sam rides off into the sunset with his dad?

            • Originally I didn’t like Quorra coming into the real world.

              In the first film the computer is just storing “deconstructed” reality eg the apple and flynn himself who where returned to the real world.
              RE: i have no clue what you mean by this… what about an apple?

              However if your theory is used Quorra is actually created from Flynns deconstructed form and so her coming (returning) into the real world would actually be possible using Flynns stored deconstructed body reassembling the numbers or DNA… Does that mean Sam rides off into the sunset with his dad?

              RE: personally i think that is just the creepest thing. ever, because then Flynn is totally gay… which i highly doubt. look at how Quorra holds onto Sam… personally i think the writers did a poor job at explaining how the hell that worked.

              • Sorry nick I han’t seen the original for a long time, it wasn’t an apple but an orange they used to explain how the digitizer works
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueNSi48OGQs
                around the 5:10 mark

                As for a father loving a son, I don’t see why that is “totally gay”

                • ok skip the gay part then. don’t you think it’s still a tad bit creepy that Kevin Flynn would turn into a female?

  22. Bill, the Wildcat writes: “Actually, they do set this up earlier in the film, that Flynn could take Clu back into himself since he created the program. The problem was that the result would wipe out pretty much everything, which Flynn had hoped to avoid.”

    How the heck did I miss the scene where they discussed that? When did they talk about it? Was it back in Flynn’s off-grid hideout?

    • Yeah, it’s during the time in Daddy Flynn’s off-grid place when that’s discussed. It’s not a long discussion, though, so it’s one of those “blink-and-you-miss-it” sort of things.

      • yeah definitely! you really have to pay attention to that small detail. or the whole explosion thing at the end is just eye candy… and a bunch nonsense of Clu going into Flynn… which is still nonsense… :P lols it’s just a sci-fi film anyway. so yeah

  23. My biggest issue with the film is the whole ending bit with bringing Quorra into the real world. However, my problem with it might not be what you think.

    The world set up a reality where a living, flesh and blood person could be digitized and recreated in a computer world — complete with all thoughts and memories. That alone takes a tremendous amount of suspension of disbelief. So if I’m willing to go there, then I’m willing to take the next step that the same computer could assemble a human from the digital DNA. After all, if DNA is merely a code or a blueprint to begin with, then I can imagine a scenario where the computer grabs molecules and assembles them according to that code/blueprint.

    But…

    The film presents a major screw up. One of the biggest plot points, established in the first film and carried over into this one, is that the identity discs contain your entire “program.” This is presumably the information the computer reads when reassembling into the real world.

    And yet, at the end, Flynn and Quorra switch discs in order to fool CLU. In other words, when Sam and Quorra are uploaded back into the real world, her “assembly” is based upon Flynn’s disc, not her own.

    Therefore, by the logic created by the films, it should have been Flynn that reappeared in the real world, and Quorra should have been destroyed when her disc was destroyed by the digital Flynn/CLU merge.

    • excellent point!! it definitely is interesting. well maybe when it comes out in DVD it will be better described

  24. 1) What city does the real world take place in?

    2) How does Sam Flynn’s mom die?

    3) Who paged Alan? If Clu, was it from inside the Grid? Is it gonna be part of some extra?

    4) Why didn’t they have a flashback of Quorra as a young ISO?

    5) Why did Clu want Tron to take Quorra upstairs? What did he have planned for her?

    6) How did Sam page Alan? From inside the Grid?

  25. Wasn’t Quorra a program, like a bunch of code put together? So how the HELL can she survive in reality when she has no flesh or blood?

    The only excuse I can see is that maybe she’s in his head as almost the ‘ghost’ of The Grid, but that isn’t explained at all.

    • Wasn’t Quorra a program, like a bunch of code put together? So how the HELL can she survive in reality when she has no flesh or blood?
      RE: it’s possible it has something to do with the fact that her data is so advanced it also works outside

      The only excuse I can see is that maybe she’s in his head as almost the ‘ghost’ of The Grid, but that isn’t explained at all.
      RE: yeah you are right about that. it’s possible that what he had downloaded from the GRID was Quorra. but that doesn’t make sense either because how can he see stuff in the real world when the chip isn’t plugged into him. it’s just hanging around his neck… so yeah :P

      • It’s a popcorn movie, stop over analyzing it. She comes into the real world and her obvious crush on Sam gets even bigger…. her digging her face into his back at the end just lets the audience know they they are gonna get it on later.

  26. It’s Tron:Legacy because its a combination Flynn’s Legacy and TRON (original). quorra has DNA, a digital version but still DNA. Think of it as our DNA each combination of 0s and 1s matches up with a counterpart. C+G and A+T in our world could be 0+1 and 00+11 in theirs. This is how Sam is channeled into and out of the world. quorra was digital and got created into DNA like sam went from DNA to digital and back to DNA. quorra just didnt have the initial DNA part. TRON doesnt talk because youre not supposed to figure out its him till the end although its obvious when you dont see him actually die. TRON is obviously still alive. In the original he was virus protection so he would be in a sequel. CLU was perfect and looked just like he did in the 80s. Sam downloaded the Grid so he would have it safe with him. quorra didnt think the protal was a sunset, she thought it was LIKE a sunset, or what she thought a sunset would look like since she had never seen one.

    • quorra paged Alan originally. Alan goes to the arcade because of the ORIGINAL page from quorra. All of the events on the grid take place between when Alan goes to talk to Sam and when Alan goes to Flynn’s for the first time, after giving Sam time to find his dad, which Alan knew he could. Sam takes credit for the page but Alan gives him the “i know it wasnt really you look”

    • It’s Tron:Legacy because its a combination Flynn’s Legacy and TRON (original).

      quorra has DNA, a digital version but still DNA.
      RE: thanks for the input and making suggestions. but you should consider going

      Think of it as our DNA each combination of 0s and 1s matches up with a counterpart. C+G and A+T in our world could be 0+1 and 00+11 in theirs.

      RE: that’s a fine way of looking at it.

      This is how Sam is channeled into and out of the world. quorra was digital and got created into DNA like sam went from DNA to digital and back to DNA.

      RE: i think logically speaking i think you are looking way into this ;)

      quorra just didnt have the initial DNA part.

      RE: i think that quorra has Flynn’s DNA as he said the manifested themselves because of how everything had occurred.

      TRON doesnt talk because youre not supposed to figure out its him till the end although its obvious when you dont see him actually die.

      RE: yeah and you are starting to repeat stuff that have already been said in this forum ;)

      TRON is obviously still alive. In the original he was virus protection so he would be in a sequel.

      RE: lols using my line huh ;)

      CLU was perfect and looked just like he did in the 80s.

      RE: yeah he looked pretty good

      Sam downloaded the Grid so he would have it safe with him.

      idk why he’d want something like that. put it out in the world? then what have CLU take over the entire world?

      quorra didnt think the protal was a sunset, she thought it was LIKE a sunset, or what she thought a sunset would look like since she had never seen one.
      RE: yeah valid point

  27. where should i go? lol

    And sam downloaded it so no body else could stumble upon it. Clu died btw

    • yup CLU did die.

  28. has anyone ever considered that flynn had no intention of going back?

    his thousand year old body might still look the same as in the movie.

    but his thousand years of experience – would his real-world mind be
    able to COHERENTLY handle a thousand years of experience.

    here an excerpt from a longevity article and POSSIBLE effects on
    our current limited human mind.

    —————
    http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/vecase/SeniorColloquium/04/Genetic%20Testing/geneticethics.htm

    Bioethicist Walter Glannon believes that if our lives extend beyond 120 years, the human mind will be unable to connect our current lives with our past selves. He believes that the human mind does not have the capacity to create a chronologically solidified identity that incorporates the past with the future when 120 yeas separate the two.
    —————-

    if flynn knew this or if he had a sense of limitations of his real-world
    brain.

    then it puts parts of the plot into a different light.

  29. oops sorry. wrong forum – my browser messed up.
    ignore my last post

    • Sam’s mother was Yori. She “died” in one of Kevin’s early attempts to bring digital to real life. Well, more like fragged into reality.

      Sam moved the files off the 20 year old drive on to a portable cap. I’m not sure why a memory stick couldn’t do the trick, would have probably been more practical.. But heck, I would do the same thing! Most drives of that era had a life expectancy of 5 years, so it’s surprising that they were still functioning!

      Who here thiks Cillian Murphy would make a great villian in the sequel? His character is a Dillinger after all!

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