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Rob Keyes says:

@ Saad,

nah, I wasn’t joking. But more importantly, I’m not saying the first Transformers was a masterpiece. I gave it a 6.5/10 rating because it had a lot of BIG problems with it.

But ya, to enjoy this film, you have to take it in for what it was despite the problems. The second time around watching the movie, I enjoyed it so much more than the first because I already knew the things that bothered me and it helped me partly look past it… Except for John Turturro’s character who will forever drive me nuts.

What is with all the taking-it-personal harshness. You pity me? For what… being able to enjoy a movie that’s not perfect? Thanks.

@ Bill Blume,

You’re totally right dude, we’ve had that point brought up a few points on transformers threads here. There was no need for that nonsense and it was out of place in this movie where it should of been okay for young kids to see it as there’s no blood, its robots vs. robots with two swear words and no nudity. The writers screwed up big time there.

@ jerseycajun,

I see your point but personally I did care about the good guys in some of the transformer-centric moments in the last act. One example is on the highway when they’re escorting Sam & Cube to the city, Optimus drops back to hold off the Decepticon(s) by himself… the way that scene played out, no words were necessary, all actions. Another is in the city at the end when Ironhid gets bumblebee to help him pick up the vehicle and basically sacrifice themselves to protect the ppl in the streets. A third point is when Ratchet and Ironhide are taking shots everwhere to help Sam get to the building.

Those moments, especially watching it a second and third time really let me feel for them. Maybe that’s just me.

It’s still a 6.5/10 for me, so there were massive problems as we all know.

Rob Keyes says:

@ Saad,

Same here, I’m not seeing Friday the 13th in theaters so I’m hoping it pops up that day online and we can post it here.

And, I also hope the plot is more focused like you say… at least we should have much more of the screen time dedicated to the real stars of the film. We really need to see the Decepticons communicate with each other and develop them.

The Rake says:

Okay, it is off topic, but I haven’t seen you guys cover this yet. You HAVE to hear this clip of Bale, yes, Batman going off on set!!!
The Rake
http://thefilmnest.com/2009/02/christian-bale-batman-goes-fing-nuts-on-t4-audio/

Yeah, I heard that. Don’t think we’ll be covering it here, though.

Vic

Rob,

I guess, by that time of the film, it was a little late for sudden character development of the robots. It was too little, too late. Perhaps I would have felt something in those moments if we knew more about the characters before that happened (as I recall, those moments felt like forced and maybe even cheap attempts to rectify characters that had no decent development thus far, kinda like what happened with Jazz. Just too perfunctory to hold weight, in my opinion.

I’m glad you got something out of it, though. For the record, my rating was 1/10, mostly for Shia Laboeuf who actually seemed like the only actor who gave a damn in his attempts to give his part the best polish he could. He’s a good actor, and it makes me wish he’d take on something that would test his abilities, do something that pushes his limits.

Rob Keyes says:

1/10 seems extreme to me. What would you give Terminator 3 or Independence Day, just out of curiosity?

Those examples I mentioned are just some I found. All the scenes with the Transformers (minus the stupid hiding in his backyard crap) show us the type of character they are starting obviously with their introduction where they literally tell you what each of their role is.

We know Bumblebee is the loyal protector always there and always willing to sacrifice himself – When he gets captured you know Jazz is more quick to act before thinking, he’s the little-but-tough guy like the Wolverine in the group. In that same scene Optimus’ lecture shows him as the wise and patient strategist but also as one who will stop at nothing to help the humans as we saw him do all throughout the film.

I didn’t think there was lack of characterization of the 5 Autobots – It’s blatantly obvious what each of them is like from the get-go of their introduction. The problem was that we just didn’t see enough of them… budgetary reasons explain that. Another big problem is that they didn’t do any of that for the Decepticons as they have no characterization at all other than showing Frenzy as an annoying idiot and Megatron as always bitter. I guess we could attribute that also to budgetary reasons and them trying to balance between screen time and story between the bad bots and good bots.

In that aspect, it felt more like a live action test to see if it can be done and I hope the sequel does it properly… or at least much better.

For me, many of the weak parts come with the human characters who they seemed to be thrown in to fill out the movie running time while not having enough cash to CGI the bots throughout the entire flick.

The cop was dumb, Turtorro was horrible, the Australian supermodel hacker was ridiculous, John Voight keeps getting worse, etc. etc. Basically, too many far-unrealistic characters that we can’t relate to.

The outline of the story was there… as best as it can be for alien robot transformers fighting for a cube on our planet… The screenplay brought this down and I guess that’s the fault of the writers as loyal Screen Rant reader Flamestrike would gladly point out :)

I think there’s too many people on the hate train… 1/10 as the case and point here. There were tons of far worse films out that year and since but if aint your cup of tea, that’s totally cool as long as you’re not bashing it for it being different from the original cartoon.

Ken J says:

@jb, I’ve watched a lot of crappy movies that my friends rent. I don’t “spend time” on it, it’s my time off, sometimes I spend that time taking a much needed nap. So if it isn’t one crappy movie, it’s probably some other crappy movie. So if I see Transformers 2 that way, I don’t think it’s much of a compliment to the film…

Saad says:

Rob,I wasn’t pitying you for enjoying a movie that wasn’t perfect,I was pitying you for a different reason. You took what I said out of context. We got the amount of Transformers screen time we were given in the first movie because of te cost of CGI,only so much could be done with them from it. And on top of that there is only so much that can be implemented into a movie that is basically 2 and a half hours in general.

jb says:

@ ken j. right on man, i’d never try to change the way someone else feels, just providing my opinion. i don’t ever think i’ve spent time watching any movie that i didn’t want to see in the first place, whether it be rented, bootlegged or my eyes taped open while i was tied to a wooden chair in a dark, wet Hostel-like basement and the images projected directly into my brain by unruly techniques producers like Bay would probably like to use on people who don’t want to see Transformers 2. but again, that’s just me, in my opinion, if eventually spend 2 1/2 hours of your time in life watching something that you knew you were going to hate in the first 30 second preview, you’re more confusing than an E.E. Cummings poem.

Rob Keyes says:

@ Saad,

Then I don’t understand how you can “pity” me for anything on a movie blog discussing a teaser trailer… a very powerful word used very inappropriately.

And yeap, everything you’re saying about screen time I said above too.

Saad says:

Your assumption doesn’t even come close to being relevant to why I was you know what,and you seem to be distorting what I implied again. I didn’t catch you pointing out the CGI problem. Oops.

Rob,

The way I see it, a good judge of whether or not they’ve done a good job developing characters in a movie is if the screen time they’ve been given feels “right”. We both agree the transformers needed a lot more in that department, and I would argue that it stems from a severe lack of said development.

What you’re describing to me of the characters in the film is not so much character development as it is caricature and stereotype. Their behavior when they ’sacrifice’ stems not from their character and internal fortitude, but because that’s how the screenwriters perceived that the universal ‘hero’ should act.

Like I said, I’m glad you found it to be more engrossing than I did, because that means at least one of us got our money’s worth.

As for Independence Day, that’s about a 3/10 – it at least had action scenes which could be followed technically.

Terminator 3, I’d give about a 6 or 7 because the dialog was at least serviceable and the actors (except for Arnie for the first time in this series, strangely enough – but that may be due to the writers, I’m thinking) pulled off their characters believably. That’s in addition to the action scenes were well put together and solid, if not terribly original.

Transformers couldn’t even put together an action scene where the movement was coherent. Even in the trailer for “ROTF” (all it needs is an “L”, right?) the movement was in so many different directions at once, the eye can’t focus on what’s going on, and this plagued the action scenes in the first film as well. That’s in addition to the scenes being shot too up close to huge robots, and editing that made it all but impossible to place where each character was in relationship to the others. In other words, it was chaos when scenes like this at their best only fool you into believing chaos is going on, but in reality the shots (when done right) are very well planned to give off that illusion while keeping the audience up to speed on relative location subconsciously.

I will say that ILM did their job in bringing realism to the robots, and maybe I’ll spot the film an extra half-point for that, but their work was largely thrown away by every other technical aspect of the film which detracted from it.

So, it didn’t bring the goods for me technically, emotionally (certainly not intellectually, but I never expected that), with humor (Turturo, Voight and the script made sure of that), or in any other way that matters when watching films in general – for me. There you have it.

Rob Keyes says:

good points jerseycajun,

The crazy bourne-style close-up shakey cam was another big problem in a lot of the fight sequences.

I hope that’s addressed majorly in the sequel to. The teaser at least showed wider distanced shots so that’s a glimmer of hope.

Ken J says:

lol jb, now I have to look up EE Cummings and read some of his/her poems…

Rob Keyes says:

@ SHODAN,

I was trying to be nice, Flamestrike isn’t impressed with me to say the least.

Rob,

I deleted Shodan’s comment. Reminder to everyone, I will not allow comments that include personal insults, even if the rest of your comment may make good points.

Vic

marco macabuhay says:

damn i cant really wait fir this film

seven says:

The big wheel is NOT devastator…and it is not ONE part of devastator. People are saying that this is the excavator (devastators right arm)…..r u kidding me???…it had two big wheels!!!….the excavator does not have wheels it has tracks!!!…unreal!!

Rob Keyes says:

@ seven,

You probably know this by now but that giant wheeled bot is part of Devastator. His name is Demolisher and those tires are treads that change shape.

Check it out and all of the other Constructicons here:
http://screenrant.com/transformers-2-robots-pictures-rob-5551/

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