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rich says:

KEN… It doesnt. and i could care less what you or anyone else thinks. please people understand what i am saying.

right now i have set aside my opinion and am simply looking at this as an unbiased analyzer in order to speak for the majority. And ive also thrown in facts to help back my statements.

And truthfullly you can only do this once the movie has come or is about to come out of theaters, thus is why i mentioned transformers 1 not 2 and the people who vioced there opinion about that one last time. I only bring it up because this looks like its heading down the same road. we’ll c though wont we.

Daniel F says:

Rich that is so far Off I don’t even know where to begin.

“if that movie had been anything close to good it would not be in the 300’s place for the B.O..”

That is by far the most inaccurate statement I’ve ever seen. Most of the time GOOD movies don’t make 300M. The 300m mark or higher is usually reserved for popcorn flicks and not good movie with a few rare exceptions. Anything that high is usually something with no character development a dull plot and lots of explosions. It’s something kind of fun to watch once. Truly great movies usually do better on DVD than they did in the box office and some really great movies have been very limited theaters and don’t even make the top 600 movies at the box office. The Box Office just means it appealed to the masses. That doesn’t mean it’s good it usually means that it was fun for adults to watch and it wasn’t rated R so they got to bring their kids.

I can disagree with a few of those movies as could a lot of others. Look no further than Episode one. Which made as much as it did because it said Star Wars. It was panned pretty harshly and a lot of major Star Wars fans hated which says a lot. The pirates films were just bad movies especially the last two.

1 Titanic
4 Shrek 2
6 Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Men
7 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest
9 Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith

None of those movies should be on anyones top 10. Shrek the first one was cool after that they were dumb. Titanic was good if you were a 13 year old girl. The second trilogy of Star Wars was pretty much just bad and Pirates was nothing but crap and along the same appeal as Titanic tween girls.

Daniel F says:

Lets not forget that Passion of the Christ was in the top 15 box office and umm not a good film.

rich says:

Daniel Man wtf, why cant you understand

With the amount of hype, publicity, expectation, and money put into that film it has no excuses
That is the reason it should of been higher.

for goodness sakes look at some of the movies that are already ahead of it.. the hangover ( SOOOOO many people had zero expectation for this film) has already passed it, in fact its not even close.

stop looking to argue if you have no valid attempt

rich says:

Oh and thats not the money it pulled in DANIEL its the movies place on that same chart YOUR READING

cmon man

Daniel F says:

Watchmen was actually a good film. There is a difference between good and appealing to the world. Wathmen was Rated R so kids didn’t get to see it. Strike one. Watchmen was odd different and new so people were skeptical and some simply didn’t get it. It was also a smart film it’s really odd for a smart film to do really well. Watchmen lacked a lot of major appealing things for being very successful at the box office. The major hype behind it was from people who are comic fans. Out side of comics most people didn’t know what it was and were not that interested. If anyone expected it to even make 200M they just had no logic. You would be correct if your argument was movies that make a lot of money are appealing to the masses. However your argument seems to be movies that don’t make money suck and movies that make money are the best. Which is very inaccurate and a little dense.

rich says:

Daniel…

watchmens budget was a little over 100 million
It made a little over 100 million

This would be considered a FAILURE

next brainbuster??

Ken J says:

rich, I still see no point in caring how well it does in the box office. Shouldn’t the suits in the movie studios care about that? Why should WE care how many people pay to watch this movie. You claim to not base your opinions on it, so what, you’re just stating a point that all of us already know about how much it’s making in the BO?? Well, in that case, thanks??

Daniel F says:

Actually know it’s not a failure. It made it’s budget in America not including the nearly 100% profit over seas.

Watchmen $130 million budget

Worldwide: $182,735,282 .

It wasn’t a huge hit, but that’s a profit and a movie that makes a profit no matter how small is never considered a failure. Marvel Declared this last Hulk a huge success even though domesticly it made less than it’s budget as well. It was also widely considered good. I’ll take the opinions of people with brains over money that a film made because of lots of big explosions. Transformers made more than Watchmen. That is a fact that is true. Watchmen however was a much better movie. It had this strange concept where characters changed/ evolved it was real original it had a new unique concept called character development and something pretty fresh called plot. Transformers is dumb joke boom dumb joke boom boom boom boom dumb joke. Even Transformer fans say it’s not a great movie, but it’s a fun pop corn flick.

Just curious rich are you Bays brother? Just seems like something bay would say “my movie made lots of money it is teh greatest!!!11!!!”

rich says:

Ahaha yes exaclty ken. thats exaclty what im am doing..
and all the rest was just response.. as this is.

i have seen so much negative feedback for this movie and its only true defense is the numbers it can post.
bad movies dont climb to the top, they may have a good opening, but they die quickly.

good movies can sustain.. and again my whole class started in defense of the first one and the negative feedback it also recieved, and the scary similarities.

thank you again ken for being the first one to understand what i was saying.
by the by i see transformers 2 close too one in my view of how good it was.
2 had a 300 million dollar budget compared to 1’s.
i liked 2 a lot but it should of been better knowing this

Daniel F says:

Rich bad movies do well in the box office all the time or did you miss Spiderman 3 and X3 or even Transformers ? I know you have seen the box office, but have you seen the movies? These types of movies can do very well despite being bad they have a built in fan base and wildly recognized names and accessible to children.

Oscar! says:

Everyone who is arguing against this film, all you have to do is look to the right of this page and check out the poll numbers for this week’s poll :) Nuff said.

rich says:

Daniel LOL i know that.

You are dropping the expectations for that movie. which were enormus. a movie with high expectations (and if its good) usually blows the cover off its budget. and as you stated , uh it didnt.
and the advertising that went along with it too.

and after the first hulk there wasnt a ton of expectation for the incredible hulk, though i loved that film. but the first one had to have affected that in some way.

but like i said TR1 was 150 mil bud, TR2 was 300 mil lol
should of been fantastic in this case lol but i didnt even think it was close-jus really good

Oscar! says:

Not only did Transformers 2 make alot of money, but the majority of people loved it.

rich says:

im not disputing wether or not you like/ dislike those movies daniel

grief you are frustrating, to pull in so much. A lot of somebodys somwhere liked those movies. moreso than the movies you might of loved lower on that list.

in thinking the movie was bad you are simply in the few.
though im there with you buddy casue sm3 was disgraceful lol

Ken J says:

@Oscar

That’s good to know, I’m happy for you guys, woot, people agree with you, yay! :-P

Oscar! says:

lol just sayin. Spider-Man 3 made alot of money but not alot of people liked it, this is the opposite, lots of money and alot of people liked it :)

Well, enough people are going to see it and probably coming out not too disappointed.

RottenTomatoes has a 21% approval rating and at IMDB they’re showing a 6.8 out of 10.

Are people really liking as much as we think?

Matt Keith says:

I don’t care what Rotten Tomatoes says anymore not after they gave T3 a 70%.

greenknight333 says:

I thought The Passion of the CHrist was a GREAT movie!!

Ken J says:

Most people go to movies with friends and they enjoy the experience. Not a lot of people really watch movies to analyze them. That’s where the media hype comes in. The more media hype a movie gets, the more likely people will watch it in groups. Which means the more likely it would result in positive viewer ratings (they are enjoying the experience of being with their friends at a sold out movie). While movies that don’t get a lot of hype, people tend to watch it in smaller groups, by themselves, or just with their girlfriend or boyfriend. Then there’s less of a spectacle, less of the group/party like experience, then people tend to rate the movie based on the movie itself.

Obviously if the movie sucks and wasn’t exciting, group or no group would result in bad ratings, but as long as it has lots of explosions, good special effects, basically as long as it has good eye candy, people will enjoy it when the experience is good.

Movie critics tend to rate the movies, not the experience, that’s why these big summer popcorn flicks tend to have very opposite reactions from fans and critics. While movies like Gran Torino tend to have very similar opinions between critics and viewers…

Just what I’ve noticed about movies and ratings, of course I could be completely wrong…

Ken J says:

@Matt Keith

LOL, I’ve said that before, and Crank 2 is in the mid 60’s… lol

And they actually recently went and found an old review that was written BEFORE T2 was released that was negative and added it so now T2 no longer has 100%. Thanks Rottentomatoes.

Matt Keith says:

I agree w/ Greenknight333….”The Passion of the Christ” was an amazing film.

Ken J says:

I never saw that, heard you just watched Jesus get whipped for half of the movie. Not sure why I would want to see that, lol.

rich says:

well said ken, i agree with that.

groups can go negative though too

we all did at ultra violet
thats my number 1 piece of trash to grace the big screen, and it looked so cool 2.

Ken J says:

Well, but ultraviolet just sucks so much, I don’t think anything could have saved that…

Matt Keith says:

“I don’t think anything could have saved that…”

Canceling the project would have saved it, lol.

Ken J says:

No, that would have saved us, not it, lol.

rich says:

beyonce , alba , and berry pop up on screen half naked doing the shakira shuffle for like 5 min of that movie.

hell id buy the dvd

Matt Keith says:

As long as Beyonce and Alba don’t try to act them I would enjoy that.

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