Transfomers 3: Michael Bay Ponders How to Make it Good

hey every1. personally i thort tht rotf eas a gr8 film but had to watch it twice to understand. hpwever i was quite annoyed when sideway was kill almost straight away at the start of the film AND that soundwave didnt come down to earth. in thr g1 series he was my fave charector. i mean they didnt even get the voice right! in 3rd movie they shud hav soundwave come down, not die but live and ironhide or an autobot actually die and stay dead. still gonna c film nd cant w8

@chrisj

i was never talking to robotics, lets just leave it at that.

@Dave

That trailer is fan made.

Vic

@ Dinobot Fan
Perhaps i should make myself clearer. You and Robotics were talkin about Dinobots being built on earth and all i was said was Wheeljack being the Dinobot's creator. Even Robotics caught my response.

@ Robotics
No problem bud. Ive made little mistakes like that before.

Dinobot fan,

yo sorry man...didnt actually meant it that way....no i did not intend to belittle you....

my apologize ..

actually my respond was just to note that dinobots were made on earth thats all ..

chrisj: you are right about wheeljack...my bad..

Good morning ALL,

Has anybody seen the "teaser" trailer for "Thundercats" movie yet? I have! Saw it the other day on YouTube looks like it will be a pretty good movie. Some interesting comments from allot of you guys out there, really allot of die hard T-FORMER fans out there I think that's great! Have a blessed day, God speed and happy trails.....

@chrisj

'if you and robotics'.......

you directed the comment at me and led with the line above.
I never commented on the Dinobots and who created them in any way.

my hate was never to him not staying close to the cartoon material. i just don't like all the filler between robot action.
I was hoping for more out of Devastator as well.

Why all the "True to the cartoon" hate of the movies? Why in the world do we think that any part of the movie or any of teh characters has to be some pure representation of the cartoon? if Bay made a movie that was %100 faithful to the cartoon so that the only difference is that one was live acton with CGI and the other was a cartoon from over 2 decades ago I seriously doubt the movie would have even made back it's production budget.

No one really truly wants to a Transformers movie that is a literal translation of the 80's cartoon so enough with the "pro-purist hate towards Bay & the movie and just be thankful that someone was smart enough to let Michael Bay do this. After all for a movie that is about 50 foot robots you need a director who undertsand what is involved in making a movie about 50 foot anything.

@ Dinobot Fan
Maybe you should follow your own advice, and follow on to what i was commenting on. while you were refering to how Dinobots could be introduced on film, i was commenting who actually created the Dinobots. Try to act more mature next time.

@chrisj

Again.Do you people not actually read the comments??!!!!

Robotics said who created them not me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stop telling people stuff they already know!!!

@ Dinobot Fan
If you & Robotics were refering to the Generation one Transformers animated series. The Dinobots were really Wheeljack's creations and Wheeljack even made brains for the first 3 Dinobots after they became hostile at first. Ratchet, Spike, Sparkplug, ironhide, etc. helped built them.

'by the way…dinobots dont land on earth…

they were made by ratchet, ironhide, huffer, bumblebe, trailblazer (cant remember the rest)'

Robotics did you actually read my comment? I said there are simplier ways to get the dinobots in the film other than the scenarios other people had.Im pretty sure i didnt say 'This is what happened in G1'.

I dont feel the need to belittle some of the other people on here so please dont do it to me.

Personally I couldn't hear a word Bay was saying on the YouTube feed, what happend? I had the volume turned all the way up on my pc and the volume all the way up on the you tube vid and all I could hear was muffled words?! I really liked the first Transformers, the second was decent, story line anyone, but the story line of 2, if there was one, was impossible to follow!


I mean doesn't Bay realize that skin, hot chicks and shoot'um ups will only getcha so far on the BIG SCREEN. I mean there has to be a happy medium for all the above and ACTING, you know story lines, that folks can follow. I mean when I was watching T-FORMERS 2 I felt like I was watching an intense tennis match. I had to literally get up and leave the theatre to get my head back in order. Please tell me that Michael Bay got the memo for T-FORMERS 3 and will have acting, skin, hot chicks and shoot'um ups to bring a bridge from the first movie to the third, there by leaving 2 on the cutting room floor?


Otherwise I'm inclined to think the franchise was over before it had a chance to get started. And to think Hasbro is gonna do He-Man, She-Ra and possibly MASK in the near and not to distant future. God speed and happy trails.....

I read in my book that there was a alternate version of the Dinobot's origins. In that version they were created by Shockwave millions of years ago. And of-course theres the origins i liked it better that Wheeljack & Ratchet created the Dinobots and they turned too hostile at first till Wheeljack created devices to attach to the Dinobot's head and make them more controlable and prove themselves when they saved Optimus Prime & the others.

Wasn't it the energon source that created the robots? Kind of like when the small appliances started coming to life in Sam's kitchen from the shard of the cube?

dont worry Andy S...the fuel has run out for this one...

by the way...dinobots dont land on earth...

they were made by ratchet, ironhide, huffer, bumblebe, trailblazer (cant remember the rest)

dinobots designed by spike and chip...so if bay wants..he can get sam and leo to introduce them to the autobots ..

but i am aware that in this movie ..transformers are bred like hatchlings...weird concept..i didnt know organic reproduction could form metal...

OK, I know I am going to get ALOT of grief about this, but I finally watch Revenge of the Fallen last night and I actually enjoyed it. Were the twins, the humping robot and Bumblebee crying ridiculous? Of course. However, for the most part I found it a fun movie to watch loaded with tons of great SFx. I am NOT a diehard Transformers geek, so I really don't care if Bay messes with a 25 year old cartoon's cannon. He delivered what I thought he would: a visual spectacle, with a few funny moments and some kick-azz robots. I give it a 3.5 out of 5, and I HOPE that there is a 3rd film.

Flame away.

Why does everyone want to come up with an elaborate way of working in the dinobots?

Heres how you do it with no ridiculous backstory of transformers being here 65million years ago.

'5 transformers crash near the Natural History museum'

Job done...........

@Gigan300

"do you have anymore from your TF bible"

I forgot to add to my text that when the worker robots are transformed into Dinosaurs it is something new to the robot race as to that point there has been no concept of morhping into another form, at least not with the current robot society. This morphing concept is something new & and yet also something old, something very, VERY old and that plays into the ancient object that is found.

I think the goal of going with the name Reedman was menat to imply a reed like man or in other words a very thin individual like a reed from a plant. I coudl be completely wroing as that is just a guees. I do agree that there are other far better names they could have used although the micronots name/classification is rather cool.

"do you have anymore from your TF bible?"

Speaking of that, I would like to see the Covenant of Primus introduced in this film. Since Bay is planning on using Unicron(most likely), then he could have it fortell the coming of Unicron. But, I would like to see it in the film that way we don't have to read the comic in order to know what the heck is going on(unlike the first two).

Blue collar

do you have anymore from your TF bible? hehe

by the way thanks on reedman..funny name though.

facebook it Bay

This is how you could easily include the Dinobots in a way that would make sense and be really cool.


MICHAEL BAY Productions presents:

TRANSFORMERS 3
THE WAR OF THE GODS

IN THE BEGINNING:
The Movie starts off with a flash back to millions of years ago. On the planet Earth we see a Prehistoric era where dinosaurs roamed the planet. Also here are a team of Large intelligent robots performing a survey. Among them are 3 distinct robot castes or classes; the warrior caste, the scientist caste and the worker caste. The worker robots are large and strong like the warriors robots but they aren’t too bright which is most likely why they are amongst the worker caste. The scientist robots are kind and encouraging to the workers, treating them as equals unlike the warrior caste who look down on both the Science & the worker class.

FALL OF THE WARRIROR CASTE:
Fast forward and one day while digging in a deep crevice one of the scientist comes across a major find; something he quickly shows he must be careful not to expose to any of the warrior caste nor the other scientists. With him are 3 -4 worker robots providing manual labor assistance. He decides to hide the object (which is small) inside one of the worker robots. While doing this he hears a loud explosion and another scientist comes running towards him. The warrior caste has split with part (calling themselves The Decepticons) attacking the other half by surprise and tacking control of the home planet. The scientist who came running realizes something is up and asks the other “Did you find it” and he replies” Yes I did but we must not let the so called Decepticons find it for they certainly will use it”. He then tells the other that he has hidden in one of the worker robots and has ordered all 3-4 of them to go hide in the great mountains in the distance. The other scientist who specializes in another science (whatever you want to call it ) decides that if they are going to ensure the Decepticons are not able to discover the object the worker cast must be able to blend into the surrounding environment, something very difficult for 50 foot tall robots to do on earth especially if they are slow mentally speaking. So this second scientist whips out some fancy device and aims it at the workers and transforms them into Dinosaurs. She explains to the other it is something she has been working on in her area and while it’s still unstable it will have to suffice.

The scheme works because the remaining scientist leave the planet and the remaining Decepticons leave after trying to abstract from the scientist info on whether they found what they were looking for. The leader of the Decepticons on this planet decides that if they can’t posses the object then neither can their warrior counterparts, the Autobots. Therefore the remaining Decepticons fly to deep space and re-direct an asteroid to collide with and destroy the Earth. After they leave the asteroid plummets towards the Earth ready to annihilate it. When the workers were transformed they suffered a side effect from the change; they had the equivalent of a mind wipe and were convinced they are actually real Dinosaurs. When they see the asteroid coming they respond instinctively and without thinking by attacking the fireball with a n array of weapons that protrude from every part of their body. They manage to deflect & destroy enough of the asteroid that the planet is not destroyed but enough of it hits that the planet is thrown into a new dark/ice age and all the dinosaurs die off. Because the Dinobots believe they are real dinosaurs they eventually to fall down and in some way shutdown.

WAR OF THE GODS - RISE OF THE ANCIENTS :
Fast forward a few million years and the Dinobots are discovered by Earth scientists. What they find causes the humans to doubt the truthfulness of their Autobot guests and so a secret war between the human government and the Autobots (along with some human friends) begins. During this process Megatron decides to make his move and so a third party enters the fight and the world as a whole is thrown into an Apocalyptic like period. The Decepticons, after realizing that being in disguise is the best way to avoid problems with humans decide to transform and take on demonic like looks and features so as to use the human races believe about religion and end times against them and to spread fear as they engage the Autobots in a final “winner take all” fight.

Before the end of the war, Unicron gets involved and comes to the planet, laying waste to most of what is left of the Autobots. This gives the Deceptions the advantage they have wanted for so long. This is when the secret device found so long ago and hidden away inside the Dinobot comes into play. It is the long lost …..

#1: Don't ignore the fans but also don't be suckered into appeasing them, the ones who see the orginal cartoon as the end all to everything in entertainment, simply for the sake of the same because these fan boys are gonna be critcial no matter what yo do because no one in tehir mind can do anything but harm to their childhood love.

#2: Don't rule in or out anything in the begining because you may short yourself if you do. Take the Dinobots as an example. Most including Michael believe theres no way to include them but that's not true. Part 3 could easily staret off with a flash back to a poast event just as part 2 did but this time flash back to the age of the dinosaurs.

#3: Most importantly do what you feel is right. Yoiu have been sucessful in both the orginal and more so in the sequel; a feat seldom done. Therefore trust your instincts but never rule out outside input and step back every now and then to make sure you haven't lost focus under the preasure & hype.

After all if you weren't good enough for the job of part 3 then you wouldn't have been for parts 1 & 2.

@BayNoWay~

You need to understand that no director no matter who they are is going to produde a Trasnformers film that everyone loves. There will always be the minority of movie watchers who think negatively of some adaptation of one of thier childhood loves.

This time around you are in that minority and if you think I am full of it then take another look at them ticket sales. There's no way a minority of the fans liked the film and it still make that kind of money.

And please don't reply back with criticism of my spelling on grammar; this is a movie forum and not AnalWritersAreUs.

@Robotic~

"#9 the flat blade like thing formed out from mini bots of ravage – TF2 (did it have a name?)"

Those tiny robots are called the Micronots and they come together to form Reedman. I found this on the Transformers Wikki site.

TACKLEING TRANSFORMERS IS A HUGE TASK, YOU WONT PLEASE EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY THE LOYALISTS AND DEEP ROOTED FANS OF G1..HECK IM A G1 LOYALIST. BUT SERIOUS TO THE POINT THE GUY HAS BEEN OFFERED THIS CHANCE, HE'LL DROWN OUT THE NEGATIVE STUFF, FOR SURE HE'S STAY AWAY FROM BLOGS..AND HE'LL DO WHAT HE DOES. HE HASNT GONE TOO FAR OVER TO THE POINT THE FANS WOULD BE UP IN ARMS LIKE WTF..BUT ITS SOMETING YOU CAN RELATE TO.BOTTOM LINE, HECK ID LIKE TO SEE TRANSFORMERS THAT LOOK LIKE THE OLDSCHOOL TRANSFORMERS, HECK I MISS THE TRANSFORMING SOUND THAT WAS ICONIC TO TRANSFORMERS, I WISH I COULD SEE JUST TRANSFORMERS THAT I IDENTIFIED AS THE COOLEST AND MOST MEMORABLE SOULY AND NOT SOME MADE UP ONES JUST RANDOMLY THROWN IN..ID LIKE TO SEE MAJOR EVENTS IN THE G1 HISTORY BE BROUGHT TO THE BIG SCREEN, UNICRON,DIFFRENT PLANETS, HEADMASTERS, TRUE HISTORY OF WHERE THEY ORIGINATED FROM(THEY WERE ROBOT SLAVES THAT UPRISED AND REBELED AGAINST THE QUINTASONS, SPACE PIRATE THUGS THAT USED THEM TO DO THEIR STUFF..DINOBOTS..JUST GIVE ME THOSE THINGS AND IM HAPPY..THE VOICES WITHT HE EXCEPTION OF OPTIMUS(HE'S THE MAN) I WASN'T ALL THE WAY HAPPY WITH.GIVE ME SAM ELLIOT FOR IRONHIDE..MAYBE MICHAEL J FOX FOR BUMBLEBEE..IF YOUR DOING SUCH A MAJOR MOVIE, GET MAJOR VOICE ACTORS..ANTHONY HOPKINS WOULD BE AN AWSOME ALPHA TRION AND TOMMY LEE JONES WOULD BE AN AWSOME ULTRAMAGNUS..

"do or do not, there is no try"

i have never directed a movie, so no i can't speak from first hand experience. i have however been in charge of my own projects and i know if that whatever level they come out to, reflects on me. Michael Bay has final say on a lot of what we see on the screen, so if it is crap that comes out, it is crap that he has supervised and approved.
The biggest complaint i have seen, and my own included, is not with the transformers themselves, but with a lot of the other filler in the movie. I get it costs a lot of money and especially time to create the transformers. It doesn't mean i need all the boring filler of human characters to make the movie hit the 2hr 20 minute mark.
it just seems like a cash cow for him that he wants to ruch and make as soon as he can to get it over with, then move on to material he actually likes, such as Bad Boys 3.