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Gary says:

GreenKnight, when is a movie like 300
JUST a movie ?
Dont believe everything you read .
on the other hand, if you had a quote from a NAMED government official in an american newspaper that can back up their claims with credible sources that are willing to go on the record then I would be very intersted to see that evidence .

Rob says:

nowhereman, what you said was pretty funny, we need more of that here.

This has turned into politicalrant as opposed to screenrant. Too much to read it all :(

Rob says:

yo Gary, whatchu talkin bout willis?!

300 is a graphic novel, which was turned to a film as well.

The idea of the graphic novel (and film) was to show intense ass-kicking action from the greatest warriors of Human’s history, the spartans and make into a form of entertainment.

Thing is, what else went on in the that time period aint that appealing (pedophiles, the spartan man having male partners). That type of movie wouldn’t sell, I assure you. It also sure as hell wouldn’t be fun to watch, like 300 is.

I’m pretty sure that Frank Miller wasn’t thinking political lines or about Iran, or going against Iran when making a comic book… and by pretty sure, i mean 100% positive.

caaaaaaaase closed.

Let’s talk about something more happy…like the Saw films, I just saw 3 and 4…apparently they’re filming 5 and 6 as we speak. Anyone a fan of those? Nothing like a little gruesome torture to change topics eh?

greenknight333 says:

Gary I’d liked to have those credentials in 90% of what gets passed off as credible news these days…There is no more credible news or sources or people willing to go on the record to back up a news story…at least not here..Most everything is an unnamed source and just commentary or wide speculation..Like I said when I find the article I will post the link…It’s not an American newspaper so I guess in your shallow view of things then that the only way it is credible news is if it appears in an AMerican newspaper…Get off your high horse dude..There are credible sources of news in other places besides American papers…

Gary says:

greenknight, my point was that if the source is a newspaper from Dubai they could very well be speaking from a bias of their own. when a Dubai newspaper is
talking about our country spreading propganda about the middle east through a major hollywood release that is a serious charge , and if a foreign news source is going to make this allegation then yes, I do expect them to back it up with more then just the charge itself.
and When I said I would believe it if it came from an american newspaper,
I was thinking about the last time a major newspaper had all their facts backed up by credible sources who were willing to go on the record about a major scandal that involved our government .
It practically forced the resignation of a president . So there are precedents in our journalistic history for these type of investigations
when they are warranted .
and do you really believe an american newspaper would ignore a story like this if it had credibility during this election year?
offically , this is a thread about the release of a trailer.
while i havent seen the trailer I have stated i wont be seeing the film
so having expressed my position on the thread topic I am out of here .
Enjoy all .
no offense was intended by any of my comments .
peace.

Gary says:

I reposted My original reply with corrections .
It was the least I could do !
Sorry about that !

Gary says:

Rob,I didnt see your reply until after i reposted mine.
So let me clarify ,
I NEVER thought 300 was anything more hen entertainment .
I was just telling Greenknight that if
a credible american news source followed up on the Dubai article that suggested 300 was american propoganda that i would be interested in reading that followup .
I was trying to Give greenknight an even handed reply.
I didnt mean to Imply that I agreed that 300 was propoganda .
300 is a kick ass action movie.
Case closed.

790 says:

No offense Gary but when I hear the words “do you really believe an american newspaper would ignore a story like this during an election year?” I know I’m talking to a person that accepts the Media as the uncorrupt truth.
Its all spin Gary, but you can’t tell because you buy into it so much, you feel grounded by it.
CNN stands for the truth. Right….?

Well as you get older and things unfold in the world try to look past the curtain of the show that is the media.
Tv, print and radio.
There’s alot your missing. ;-)

Greenknight don’t ever change Bro! ;-)

790, I think Gary’s point is that with the left-bias of the media and “300″ being release during this administration the media WOULD have been all over a story like that like white on rice.

Vic

790 says:

Yeah I totally got that, my point is that (this 300 movie) story DID make news.
I remember hearing about it the week before and after its sucessfull BO weekend.

“It came and went like all news stories do.”

The left wing liberals didn’t touch it or exploit it at all..?
Why Gary ? Why didn’t they use that?

790 says:

Google search:
300 movie, Iran connection, LA Times

Or enter one of 290 other newspapers in the world. The story is there to read. ;-)

790 says:

This works better.
(Google):
” 300 movie, Iran boycott film, LA Times “.

You’ll get a bunch of info. ;-)

Gary says:

I am being Misinterpreted here .
Vic got my point .
“it came and went like all news stories do”
Who is that quote attributed to?

790 says:

Yeah that would be me Gary. What’s your position on this maybe I’m confused…

Gary says:

you had it in quotes 790,
I thought you were citing a source .
I alluded to watergate before because i was making the point that when the press smells a real scandal They pursue it even if brings down our current leaders. and in an election year if they thought bush was pushing anti IRaqi or anti Iranian sentiment by using a bockbuster film as a propaganda tool that would be front page news TODAY! as far as my trusting the American media goes ,
I trust them to chase down a story when they smell blood in the water .
if they thought the story was true,
they would be trying to to link Bush to it on a daily basis and talk about the taint the story would bring to mccains campaign .
some might might even try to suggest Mccains involvement .
But really It doesnt matter who the man in the white house is there is always going to be somebody in the media who wants to bring him down . especially when we are 5 months away from choosing our next president .
The press couldnt afford to sit on this now
trust the media ?
Hardly, .they are wolves .
predators.
If they believe the story is credible
Why are they not trying to destroy Bush And the republicans with this?
That was my point and i cant make it any clearer then that

790 says:

Well Gary the media isn’t trying to destroy Bush because they want to keep their jobs.

I just read an article the other week about how ALL the Washington DC news reporters are fed their info by so called government sources.
It was interesting to note that if reporters stepped out of line and reported something other than what they were TOLD TO, they are themselves replaced and find out there covering the PTA meetings in Harlem next week.
Wolves and predators (gotta be kidding me), their docile sheep that do what their told. And they the heads of these News Companies don’t ever complain. Why because there all corrupt and tow the Neo-Con line. Fear keeps them inline fear of FCC suspensions and fines.

Bush has broken more laws then Nixon why do you think he’s still in power? The media has plenty to work with. Hell I think one state is stll activly trying to impeach him.
I Don’t hear the wolves howlin on that? Why because the media is CONTROLLED. ;-)

INK says:

Wow, 790. While I agree the media are docile sheep, I think you have the wrong master leading the flock. Dems control most of what the (national) media “report”, not republicans.

790 says:

There’s NO difference in Dems or Repubs. Same lower management company.
Why do you think independant canadates are allways forced out of elections.
And then one of the Dems or Repubs wins and nothing changes.
Its all a show.

Clearly I’m talking about another level here. That most think of as conspriacy….

Its a pretty good production their running so its hard for most people to accept what I’m saying. ;-)

greenknight333 says:

Geez Louise I am sorry I brought up the 300 comment but 790 thanks for the support and I know it was in print..Like I stated above nothing once it is placed in print can be enbiased or not considered to be rhetoric.

greenknight333 says:

unbiased I meant

BRAVEHEART says:

Where is GORT!?!?

Stark says:

Taking a break from redesigning the Armor…

THIS ‘Dog’ just won’t hunt. Seems like a huge waste and a ‘miss’ for me.

“The Orig was done. It was better. That’s the way Dad did it. That’s the way America watched it. And its worked pretty well so far.”

This does nothing but steals from the orig… poorly.

Sometimes the ‘Wheel’ doesn’t have to be reinvented…

Back to the Drawing Board! – Stark

Gary says:

unfortunately Braveheart GORT isnt here because The Day The Earth stood still trailer thread has become a political thread.

790 says:

Yeah Gary you had nothing to do with that right. ;-)

I’ve read that Gort is in the film but he’s radically changed from the original version.

nowhereman says:

Yup!

In this incarnation, the role of GORT will be played by…(Take it, Dan Akroyd)

“It’s…The Stay Puff Marshmellow Man!”

With all due respect to the input on this thread & sorry to make light of this one – but I just can’t get all worked up over the retooling of a cinema classic. I’m sure the all important marketing eye candy will be really cool, but I’m afraid this flick has “DUD” written across its fore head in big red letters. Today’s writers for the most part couldn’t come up witth an original scenario if it swam up and bit em’ on the @$$.

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread for the very reason that I come to read screenrant. I may not always agree with the content, but its truly refreshing to read intelligent, well thought out threads like this one! As a fellow sci-fi nut, I admire all those who express themselves here.

Keep the faith,

M.W.L.

Gary says:

Nowhereman,
did you get your screenname from that great UPN series from a few years back ?
I LOVED that show!

790 says:

Right on Nowhereman, and that was a great show. ;-)

Hey there’s more info on Gort on the previous thread Vic has posted up in the related links at the the top.
Totem is the new Gort. And it walks like a dog. ?

I bestow a sarcastic yeah of lameness.

jc in chicago says:

Nowhereman,
Did you mean Don Pardo (announcer for SNL)?

790,
{{Why do you think independant canadates are allways forced out of elections.}}

Umm, because they inspire only pinheads and can’t amass popular support–in other words, vote?

790 says:

Ooooooooooooooo. It burns. It burns.

nowhereman says:

Gary – Nope! Its the title of a sci-fi novel I wrote in 2004 (as yet unpublished…jeeze!) lol

jc in Chi-town – Nope! I was referring to the penultimate rooftop scene in ghostbusters, but I too thought that the series was tre cool!

790 – use aloe vera on that…

Party on ya’ll,

M.W.L.

Gary says:

nowhereman as a fellow aspiring writer
I wish you luck on that novel!
Hopefully, I will buy it in a store someday!

eric g says:

Remakes suck.

Some a-holes were probably reading the idiots at IMDB saying that this should be remade.

Stupid. You can’t top the original. The acting is what made that movie great. CG and hotty chick wont help it.

790 says:

I think what happened was the studio was looking for a remake film they could use to exploit the green adgenda.

Whatta thread! ;-)
Vics gonna kill me tomarrow. Lol.

greenknight333 says:

SO is it

NOWHERE MAN or NOW HERE MAN !! :)

CHeers

FYI, originally they were going to go with some bizarre take on Gort but it seems he will be in humanoid form in the remake after all.

Vic

Gary says:

Thats a relief Vic.
If it aint broke dont fix it.

BRAVEHEART says:

Gort “is” The Day The Earth Stood Still!
One of the most iconic images in sci-fi history…I know the new film already has a large emotionaly blank shuffling monstrosity…but that’s what you get with Keanue Reeves in you r movie!
I for one want to see the classic look Gort kept and improved but not messed up.

RandomHerm says:

I agree with that, BRAVEHEART; Gort is one of the most iconic ‘andros-robot’ (and image) in the sci-fi history -http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/stillrobot.jpg-.
Go-Go-Go! ^^

The Big Dentist, I don’t know if you keep being here, but I want to say you something I forgot before: is “a great story idea of yours: an actor so bad the studio has to plant subliminals in all his movies to convince everyone he can act “. He, he, he… I was concentrated in my limits using english language, so I ignored your thought. Good unconscious curious complementation. ^^ + ; ) He, he…

nowhereman, fortune (and spirit) for your novel -I want to, too, for mine; so fortune (and spirit) for all of we in what we wish. ^^

···

Finally (or almost), I want to express here my happiness to see you doing a political discussion freed from those usual hates we find in a lot of forums -sure that what unite us is stronger than what divide us-. Believe me if I say that you seem to me almost like a ‘non evil touched’ -even ‘innocent’ from my point of view- (or something similar). Thanks a lot to be there. …

And Post Data: Please, excuse my writing forms (if it’s needed); I don’t know if I sound like ‘Tarzan’ or like a ’snob’ -ha, ha, ha, ha, ha…-. Seriously, english language is not my natural one, so I have no idea how I sound. ^^.

Take a greet (and a hug) for all of you.
Thanks. : D

.

BRAVEHEART says:

The Day The Earth Stood Still & War Of The Worlds are my two favourite movies like this,very scary as a kid to watch.But War of the Worlds the re-make was nothing like the old one and was not as good.I hope T.D.T.E.S.S is not going down that remake route.
Tom Cruise/Keanue Reeves….scary ain’t it!

the old man says:

For shame Vic, after being growled and barked at, to let this dog back into your house the “Box” network could never have as good a neighbor as you!

Sort of makes me look forward to July 2009 when this meltdown of a movie will be a long long forgotten memory and we’ll be talking about something more enjoyable like “Thor”, “Battle Angel”, “Transformers 2″, or “Rendezvous With Rama.”

For those interested in world outlooks check out Jerrod Diamonds “Collapse” or J. Robert Hunters’ “Simple Things Won’t Save the Earth.” By the Way Diamonds’ book has a big picture where it shows China is importing massive amounts of first world electronic garbage! Kinda gives you pause.

For those of you that have faith in human effort and want to do something, consider investing here: http://www.startech.net

greenknight333 says:

RandomHerm..Thanks for the link above. It certainly lends credence to the arguement above about comics being used as propaganda…If you consider what was going on at the time Miller wrote the 300 with the US embassy in Lebanon and the plane hijackings in the Middle East with hostages being executed, and The Iranian hostage affair in the late 70’s ealy 80’s..it is easy to see why Miller would write the 300 in such a way…considering the link he obviously likes propaganda

Cheers

Michael says:

I was pretty excited about the remaking of the beloved SciFi classic TDTESS. And then I saw the trailer. The fastest way to take the fun out of a movie is to politicize it. It’s so obvious. I’m surprised they didn’t cast Al Gore as Kaatu. How boring!

RandomHerm says:

Hello.

greenknight333, let me tell you, first of all, that what I’m going to say will, probabily, don’t glad you. : /

Look, sure that you don’t need me to compose a list of the ‘anti-conservative’ hollywood’s propaganda; what you surely need for that is just miles and miles of paper and a lot of pencils -he, he, he…-. ^^

Frank Miller is honest when he says what he says in his interviews; no ambiguous manners and not hidden meaning, no rep. gouvernement hand needed because he is free to does what he does. And it, greenknight333, should be as obvious as the fact that says that the ‘rightys’ are not the enemy.
So the true question here, greenknight333, is not one about rep. conspiracy, is just only one about our agreed or our disagreed with Miller.

Anyway (and/or by the way), Frank rejected your conspiranoid position in a filmed interview when “300″ was shown at theaters.

Sorry if my answer dissapoints you; I tried to be prudent with those discussion -”propaganda” is not the only one relevant though you can take from that link, ; )-.

Take a greet. : )

greenknight333 says:

If that’s all you got RandomHerm then I still I thank you for the link..I never stated Miller made the graphic novel as propaganda..I stated the movie was partially funded by the government and used as propaganda..with or without Miller’s awareness…That’s all …IN the link he stated that why not use heroes for propagendas…

Cheers

RandomHerm says:

O.K, greenknight333.
But if someone of you still wanting to find the Lord Sith in the White House stop doing. I know where he is; come to Spain, he is in the person of Mr. Zapatero. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!! ^^ It’s a joke. ; )

Take a greet. : )

Ken J says:

Oh geez, what a huge surprise. Hollywood shoving their superior elitist political views down our throats. I loved it when George Clooney publically stated his opinion about how he feels celebrities are “ahead of the curve” on social and political issues. How he and other big stars are somehow superior to us “normal” people when it comes to politics. And how the crowd (that were full of other celebrities) started applauding him.

What I loved even more was the South Park episode that mocked the hell out of that, lol.

Mario says:

At first I thought this was a cool trailer esspecially since I’m a fan of Sci-Fi. But now I see that this is another radical Enviornmentalism movie.

KILL OF THE HUMAN RACE TO SAVE THE EARTH? You know that someone there’s some real nut who’s going to be taking that seriously.

I am sick of being preached at by these Hollywood Hippies who are also Hypocrites! You think they live GREEN in their giant mansions? Private Jets? Going to Hollywood Parties? Then they expect us to ride a bike to work and stop breeding?

My worst fear is that we are entering an Era of “Green Fascism” where if you’re not with the program you will be punished.

“We need to start treating those who do not agree with Global Warming as Traitors! And they should be charged with treason!” -RFK Jr. January 21 2008.

“There is no debate, the debate is over, anybody who does not acknowledge Global Warming is on the same scale as Holocaust Deniers and should be treated as such” -Al Gore 2006.

The debate is NOT OVER.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y6jjk8BW7M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuHoTCsB3Vw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dDE_e5Pme0

When you make Humans the enemy, the solution is to kill ourselves as this movie the “Day the Earth Stood Still” suggests? So the Human Race should commit self suicide?

Radical enviornmentalism scares me more than the Earth’s temparature going up a WHOLE DEGREE!!!

The Earth has hot and cold cycles, is man responsible for the Ice Age ending? Before you panic find out more facts.

Ken J says:

Especially when you consider the evidence that supports the idea that global warming is not really related to our activity here at all:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a216/slagman5/temperaturegraph.jpg

unlimited says:

i watched the movie. it was good. i’m not a fan of hollywood movies but this one was worth what i paid for.

face it. without us, the creatures that now exist will continue to exist. it is our intervention and our misused technology that disrupts the homeostasis in the global ecosystem.

as to the movie…it’s not misanthropic at all. it merely shows us the predominant human way of thinking. shoot and kill. burn and bomb.

come on. entertain the question. how open are you?

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