Tim Burton Compares His ‘Batman’ Movies to Nolan’s; Kevin Feige Praises ‘The Dark Knight’

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The Avengers might be the prettiest belle at the ball currently – only replace the words “prettiest” with “most talked about” and “belle at the ball” with “superhero movie” – but no one’s forgotten about The Dark Knight Rises, which just dropped a major league trailer and is only a couple of months out now.

Speaking of no one forgetting Batman, while promoting Dark Shadows, Tim Burton compared his contributions to the series (Batman, Batman Returns) to Christopher Nolan’s rebooted installments. Meanwhile, Marvel’s Kevin Feige called Nolan’s Batman films “the greatest thing that happened.” (Presumably to superhero movies.)

Courtesy of Cineplex Magazine, Burton compared the darkness of his take on Batman to Nolan’s:

“I always get told that my material is dark, but nowadays my version of ‘Batman’ looks like a lighthearted romp in comparison to Christopher Nolan’s ‘Dark Knight’.”

Since the release of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, there have been a great many online discussions comparing Nolan’s Batman movies to Burton’s and vice versa. While it’s true that Batman ’89 and Returns are way over-the-top and even campy in their own way, it could also be said that Returns has some of the weirdest, creepiest imagery to ever appear in any Batman film.

Indeed, for every hilariously armed penguin army, there was black sludge pouring out of Danny Devito’s dying, sallow mouth, or a battered, bloodied, and nearly psychopathic Michelle Pfeiffer. Does that make Returns a darker film than the very serious, hyper-realistic Nolan films, especially TDK? No, not necessarily – but I think it puts them nearly neck-and-neck.

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Speaking of Pfeiffer, Burton talked about her role as Catwoman way back when:

“For me, her version of Catwoman was one of my favourite performances on any movie I had worked on. I remember how she impressed me by letting a live bird fly out of her mouth, learning how to use a whip and dancing around on rooftops with high-heeled shoes on. She did all that stuff for real. I hadn’t really talked to her for about 20 years, and she called before I had started working on Dark Shadows, and she told me how much she loved the old TV series and she wanted to be involved.”

While Michelle Pfeiffer’s version of Catwoman didn’t much resemble her comic book counterpart – instead of just being a cat burglar with a flair for the feline, she had seemingly supernatural powers and was straight up creeptastic – it was a pretty well-received performance. It’ll be interesting to see if Anne Hathaway’s Catwoman can stack up, even if it is a more accurate representation of the comic book character.

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Elsewhere in the world, Kevin Feige talked about the decade-long box office reign of superhero movies and the part Christopher Nolan’s Batman films has played in the matter. Courtesy of Wired:

“[T]he truth is I root for every single [superhero movie], whether it’s our movies or not, because while you and I know the difference between who publishes what, I’ve been in supermarket checkout lines where one of our characters is on the cover of a magazine, somebody says, ‘Is Green Lantern in the Avengers? Is Aquaman in that one too?’ People don’t know. So I want them all to be great. […] Chris Nolan’s Batman is the greatest thing that happened because it bolstered everything. Imagine the one-two punch in 2008 of ‘Iron Man’ and ‘Dark Knight’? It was great. Six years earlier I was having conversations with studio execs where they’d say, ‘Why don’t you come work for us? These comic book movies can’t last forever. It’s probably towards the tail end.’ And I, being with big bright-eyed naiveté would go, ‘I don’t know, I think we can do more. I think there’s more fun to be had.’”

What’s the moral of this story, morning glories? Even when everyone and their grandmothers are talking about The Avengers (check out our own Kofi Outlaw’s review here), The Dark Knight Rises is still there, in the background, vying for cinematic dominance.

Only time will tell, though, if it can match Marvel’s superhero team-up in terms of box office take and critical reception. After all, The Avengers is already a success – well, pretty much – and it’s not even out in the U.S. yet.

The Avengers hits theaters May 4th, 2012, Dark Shadows hits theaters May 11th, and The Dark Knight Rises hits theaters July 18th.


Follow me on Twitter @benandrewmoore.

Sources: Wired & Cineplex Magazine [via TDKR Facebook Fan Page & Comic Book Movie]

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  1. They say the super hero movies are a trend… a fading fad at the theater… yet here I sit, age 29, about to watch the midnight Avengers premier… Who would have thought this could happen a mere 34 years after the Christopher Reeves Superman movie hit theaters?

    Shut up yous! The heroes are here to stay!

    • Hell yeah. Right now they are still doing origin stories for the more well known characters. They have a long way to go.

      Plus they’ve got more obscure heroes that they could do smaller budget movies on where they could concentrate more on story and character and less on splashy effects.

      Plus tv shows! There isn’t a single super hero on tv.

      • Smallville got 10 seasons. It’s popularity paved the way for cool shows on their way like Green Arrow, and Booster Gold. Plus there is the fantastic Bruce Tim animation universe that included Batman TAS, Superman TAS, Justice League TAS, and JL Unlimited. I think there will be many more great superhero shows to come.

        • Smallville got 10 seasons because it was on a network that nobody watches. The CW is a joke. Just like UPN was. It wouldn’t have lasted even 1 season on the big 4 networks.

    • Absolutely!

      I suspect there are a lot of people wishing otherwise because this sort of fantasy isn’t their particular bag. So they voice their despair in a kind of negative hope.. that super-heroes would end. But, I am totally with you on this. Especially when production companies strive to bring us pictures representative of the comics we adored.

  2. i just wonder when we will get a proper Batman AND Robin. The boy wonder gets no respect.

    • @ jeffro

      I agree. The only respect Robin got besides the comics was in Batman:TAS. Now if they can take notes from that show on bringing back Robin onto the big screen again, say the next reboot? Id be happy. Id say Robin should get his due just as Batman has since they’re origins are almost the same. I should say Dick Grayson’s. But other’s had good origins aswell. Not just Robin, but Batgirl wouldn’t hurt. Id like to see a franchise where Robin abandons his persona & becomes Nightwing & leaves Batman & Batgirl after one last fight before he could perhaps get a solo film.

      • Actually Wally, I am surprised that WB hasn’t attempted to explore the “Bat-Family” in any serious way outside the Schumacher films. As you stated there is huge spinoff potential with now five different Robins, various Batgirls (and Batwoman) and Oracle, Huntress, etc. You’d think they could make a real mint.

        I read that both Nolan and Burton detest Robin – though I am not sure why. I guess that Robin doesn’t really fit into the dynamic of Nolan’s work as a Batman becoming the Batman we all know, but if they make a 4th sequel to his series, Robin could definitely come in.

        I suspect they hate him because they are only thinking of the Golden/Silver-age Dick Grayson with his green briefs and odd relationship with Bruce, but clearly Robin has been modernized greatly. I think Robin adds a lot to the Batman dynamic too.

        Also, I don’t remember TAS giving Robin that great of a role either. I think he was only in a small handful of episodes until they rebooted it with Tim Drake in the role towards the end of the series.

        • @ Evan

          Same here. Im hoping WB/DC does that within the next Batman reboot aswell explore other characters from the Batman comics. Birds Of Prey tv series was a failed attempt. I enjoyed the pilot episode but the rest was meh. Dina Meyers was great as Oracle & in one episode wore a great black/yellow lookin Batgirl costume from the comics. It beated what Silverstone wore in Batman & Robin imo.

          I don’t think Burton destested Robin as he tried to introduced Dick Grayson in both Batman & Batman Returns. Reason he didn’t was because it took away from the main plots & for pacing time. There was even a Robin figure when Batman Returns was released because they thought he was gonna be in the film. If you buy or rent the special edition of Batman, you will see animation story board of Batman chasing the Joker which Joker kills Dick’s family. Both Kevin Conroy & Mark Hamill lend their voices respectfully. Robin could fit into Nolan’s films for sure. Nolan wanted to focus on Batman’s early years. Both he & Bale have stated as far they’re concerned being involved in makin the Batman films, they have no intentions of makin Robin a part of it.

          I suspect like some or alor people don’t care for Robin because they like you said think about the Golden/Silver Age comic, 60′s Batman show & of-course Schumacher’s two films. They can’t get past that. I too think adds alot or close to it to Batman’s Dynamic. Bruce Timm stated in one of the TAS boxsets that you can only have Batman be alone for so long. It’s hard for anyone to imagine themselves to being Batman to close to being as a great detective as him. But as Robin as portrayed in TAS as Timm put it, they made it as if people can put themselves in his shoes by makin him older, thinkin can i work with this guy, help solve riddles a kid would know that a grown-up might not,being on steakout in another location when Batman needs to be somewhere else just in case,etc.

          The reason Robin wasn’t in many episodes was because at first Bruce Timm & Co. tried to keep Batman by himself as long as they could with Robin occasionly making appearances. They explained they wanted they to distance themselves from the 60′s Batman show & Superfriends show. I think it wasn’t till they getting to 3rd season they were asked to include Robin in more episodes due to fan requests. And that was short lived as the 3rd season was their last on the Fox Kids Network. But when they moved to Kids WB & made the New Batman Adventures they included Robin(Tim Drake) & Batgirl in more episodes while changing them into the more traditional costumes. Especially Batgirl. Of-course that Dick Grayson, became Nightwing & they covered how he & Batman broke apart in “Old Wounds” one of my favorite episodes. Revamped some of the villains, especially Penguin to his comic counter-part.

  3. BTW,,,between the late 90′s Batman movie and the latest one, i would say i still choose the old, rather the Original Batman outfit, its been recognized by fans as a Trademark. Hope They(producer) have this same taste of having the Original batman outfit,,oh well, the new one looks cool but he looks like a swat team, he dont look like a hero, instead he looks more like a soldier. So i Would say s simple Outfit w/ more awesome gears on it will be way cooler than any batman series, and please make a story line series like part 1, part 2 and so on so people and fans will be totally excited for the next release,,Batman Comic Series has already many chapter, so make the movie more sensible and more fictitious, ’cause we fans enjoy watching movies w/ more fiction than making the Batman series a realistic movie :D

    • @ Shane

      I knew there was somthing to compare TDK Batsuit as. It does look somewhat of Swat costume for Batman.

  4. I do really like the original Batman (mainly for Michael Keaton, Jack Nicholson, and the look Burton gave Gotham). In that aspect (the look of the film), it probably lended to Batman the Animated Series (which is fantastic). However, Batman Returns was just too much Burton for me (though I enjoyed Pfeiffer’s performance, especially seeing her in black leather). The movie overall is OK, but it’s just not Batman to me. And the less said about the Schumacher films, the better.

    Anyway, I have to say that I am a HUGE fan of what Nolan has done with Batman. I think that he nails the character more than Burton did. I mean, while I love Keaton’s performance, the characterization is a little off (in terms of Batman killing people). Nolan establishes that Batman doesn’t kill, and to me that adds so much depth to the character, and it makes him more of a hero in my eyes. The character development of Batman in both BB and TDK was fantastic. Also, I’ve loved all the villains, from Falcone to Scarecrow to Ras Al Ghul, from Two Face to the Joker. All have been potrayed and written very well. All of the supporting cast is great for the most part (except for Katie Holmes in BB). Also, I love Bale’s portrayal of Bruce Wayne and Batman. I know people complain about the voice, but I just think he really nails both characters very well.

    • @ Chip—- Well written. Your review is by far my favorite. Michael Keaton was more of a classic Batman character while Christian Bale definitely brought a little more soul into him. And we all loved Michelle’s catwoman suit ;)

  5. Nolan’s Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burton’s Batman! nuff said!

  6. (While it’s true that Batman ’89 and Returns are way over-the-top and even campy in their own way,…)

    This says it all. Thank you.

  7. Burton’s Bat was set on most campy comics that Batman is painted in and which was the reason for his movies being campy. In that way Burton-supporters are correct in a way for saying Burton being truthful to his sources.

    Nolan’s Bat was set accurately on the famous critically acclaimed and yet very, very rare(say about 20 to 25) stories compared to the vast campy history of Batman since 1940, which is what Burton himself should have used a source but unfortunately did not and what Nolan fortunately did. May be Burton wasn’t enough capable and skilled to do it.

    Batman Begins (2005) was based upon the great ‘Batman- Year One(1986)’.

    The Dark Knight (2008) was created upon the Jeph Loeb classic – The Long Halloween (1996-1997) and …Alan Moore’s legendary story ‘The Killing Joke (1988)’ which has **that** Iconic Joker and I’m pointing to his Nature/Philosophy and NOT his cheap tricks (behavior) or the exact process of he becoming the Joker. Nolan brought to life the Joker’s actual Nature/Philosophy which was what was important/difficult/challenging and gave a miss to his cheap cheezy tricks and that particular unbelievable process. All Burton did was to give a miss to the important/difficult/challenging and just only copied the Cheap Tricks and that Process thus finding a easy way out and killing the Joker’s Soul in the process. Perhaps Burton …never even understood ‘The Killing Joke’. And that is the reason why Nolan’s Joker cannot be overridden, but can only be equaled which in itself is a very large shoe to fill in.

    And add Ledger’s dedicated performance to it and we have icing over the cake. In fact the legendary Nicholson had far ‘more’ face make-up (that absurd laughable continuous ‘grin’ and all) than Ledger and yet still he was recognizable as Nicholson and not Joker. Nicholson just played the Joker. Ledger BECAME the Joker (with just a simple war paint that is)…because he engrained the philosophy of the Joker and not just his cheap tricks…and the great script supported him too.

    • @ Amol

      Regarding facts about Burton’s Batman film. “The Dark Knight Returns” was one his inspirations for the film. Michael Keaton studied The Dark Knight Rises for inspiration for the role. Bob Kane personally recommanded Jack Nicolson for the role of The Joker. Personally, outta the choices they had, Willem Dafoe would be my 2nd. The face of the Joker was intially inspired to Bob Kane & Bill Finger by Conrad Veidt as (The Man Who Laughs). I remember reading how Bob Kane was amazed seeing how well Nicolson turned out as the Joker in the film.

      Imo, both Nicolson AND Ledger’s Joker performances were great & weren’t better than the other. Both were iconic in their own way. Those (cheap tricks) are part of Joker’s persona throughout years. The worst thing he could do to someone as Bruce Timm stated is kill people with a smile on their faces which he did in the 3rd act of Burton’s film. Joker was creative aswell at times when he caused chaos in Gotham. In Burton’s film it was a duel of the freaks & Joker didn’t wanna be outstaged by Batman & wanted to show he was more of a menace to Gotham than Batman was. Burton understood Joker’s origins of the way he came to be in the film. He just left out the whole Redhood gang etc. out aswell deeper story of what we know about Joker before his fall into the vat of chemicals. Im sure Burton had his reasons/pacing reasons & stuff. He kept it short & maybe that’s why Joker’s previous alias was Jack Napier.

      To say Nolan’s Joker cannot be overridden & only equaled only is rubbish imo. That was said way back about Jack Nicolson after Burton’s film was released. So it wouldn’t surprised me if someone could top Nolan’s version. Of-course TDK was released 19 years after Burton’s film. But still you never know…

      Of-course Nicolson had more face make-up. His Joker’s skin was bleached etc. after falling into a vat of chemicals while Ledger’s only war-paint for Nolan’s more realistic approach. I dunno about most people but i reconized Ledger under the Joker make-up as i did Nicolson’s & i haven’t watch many of either’s films. Nicolson acted as the Joker as he mentioned the character was tasteful. Ledger was the same. Both were handed great scripts & both were mentioned as stealing the show away from Batman.

      • “The Dark Knight Returns” was one his inspirations for “Batman(1989)”? Michael Keaton studied The Dark Knight Rises for inspiration for the role???

        I take it as a Nice Joke. Your sense of humor is excellent, I should say. Because I did not see any effect of that on the most important thing that matters: Script and Direction.

        I LOVE JACK NICHOLSON but what about the script and direction?? Who cares who recommended whom as long as the final product is campy? Final word is: Burton’s Bat-movies are Campy FOR ME. Everything else that happened before that and went into the making of the movie is Irrelevant. And Bob Kane only gave birth to The Batman primitive ages ago. What he thinks about The Bat NOW, is irrelevant. I only care for what Frank Miller, Alan Moore, Jeph Loeb, Steve Englehart, Jim Starlin (you get the idea?) would say, because they are the ones who actually shaped the Batman and gave him a firm character. Miller especially would be disappointed if somebody even tells him that Burton had actually used his iconic novel as an inspiration. Ha Ha!

        • I’m sorry, i missed the part where YOU were promoted emperor of of all things batman related. who cares what the creator of batman thinks? why, i bet your beloved Frank Miller, Alan Moore, Jeph Loeb, Steve Englehart, Jim Starlin do. do you think they just stepped in with the same elitist, snobbish, superior attitude that you have? i seriously doubt it. i’m sure they didn’t come into their projects and say “screw him and his origins.” if it weren’t for bob kane, we wouldn’t even HAVE these stories to be arguing about. good for you that you like these guys interpretations of the batguy, but please, PLEASE stop with your nonsensical rhetoric, and show a LITTLE respect. it really is embarrassing.

          • @ jeffro

            Got that right.

            • i know you’re from india, but you seem to have a basic grasp of english, so, here, in this article, for the last time, I DO NOT WORK FOR SCREENRANT. are you that thick headed?
              i do not care if someone likes nolans work. i like his work too, and i never called anyone a nolan d**k, whtever the hell that is. please point out where i did.
              you are giving me a migraine. I’m not getting into a battle of wits against you, you are much to powerful for me. i will go back to being the troll you claim i am, and just make factual opinions about everything. you have bested me. farewell

              • jeffro,

                (“i know you’re from india, but you seem to have a basic grasp of english”)

                That’s real arrogance from you …again.
                What do you mean by “BUT” ??!!

                In case for your ignorance of this topic, even though in India we have dozens of languages and dialects, there is no such thing as a national language but…we do have two official languages which promises that we will be able to communicate successfully using at least one of those two anywhere in India: ‘Hindi’ and …’English’.

                (“Basic grasp”)

                India’s English is nothing but British English which can be considered proper and purest form of English considering she’s the origin of all English languages.

                Do you Want to…or should I say…Wanna (as in American slang) compare that to American slang English ??

        • @ Amol

          Well i respect your opinion as you’re obviously in the minority or less crowd. When people use the word campy regarding Burton’s films, that’s in now on today’s terms pretty much because the first film was released more than 20 years ago now. Till this day i still read about online & in person how people don’t enjoy TDK asmuch as they did now. Mostly what they liked about was Heath Ledger’s performance alone. Makes sense.

          Of-course Bob Kane gave birth to the Batman & some of the greatest characters we know. But Frank Miller, Alan Moore, Jeph Loeb, Steve Englehart, Jim Starlin just wrote good stories for the character.

          LOL. Miller can’t be that special if he wrote the script treatment for Robocop 2 which most people seem to disliked. Even he had bad stories not Batman related.

          • Wallywest,

            Burton’s Bat is campy for me just because it was released 20 years ago ??? What has period spent in between got to do with quality ? ‘Citizen Kane’ was released long, long, long back in 1941 and still it’s a Classic. You know why ? Because it’s ***NOT*** CAMPY unlike Burton’s Bat! So think twice before comparing Period and Quality.

            (“Frank Miller, Alan Moore, Jeph Loeb, Steve Englehart, Jim Starlin just wrote good stories for the character.”)

            Good story, yes…Don’t you think that’s the first and most important aspect that matters ? Which is something Burton’s Bat misses FOR ME. And this guys wrote good stories because they gave importance to something that Burton did not:
            Batman’s Tragic Origin and everything else fell into place. And which is something Nolan took notice of.

            And I really don’t care what Miller did to other characters. I don’t have enough time and inclination to get into those. I care only for Batman. And Miller definitely did jusrtice ti him by removing the camp from Batman…which is the most vital thing to do.

            • @ Amol

              Campiness has nothing to do with 20 years i was talking about. Point was makin was no matter how popular the film is, overtime say 20 years? People more likely less enjoy Nolan’s films just as they have Burton’s. Twist whatever i say all you want. It disturbed me little how Burton handled Batman’s origins about his parents murder. But in a way, Nolan kinda did the samething. Only difference was Nolan used Joe Chill in Wayne’s murder. But again not only was it in flashbacks as in Burton’s but Ra’s pretty much setted up if you remmebered a certain line of dialoge. Ra’s: We under estimated several of Gotham’s citizens, such as your parents. Towards to Bruce at his birthday party Batman Begins. So that’s kinda having Ra’s kill Batman’s parents, but having Joe Chill pull the trigger. Get it? Probly not.

              Makes me laugh that you think you know theres everything to know about Batman & insult others who disagree with ya.

                • I don’t know how Vic let’s personal attackers like ‘Jeffro’ work for Screenrant, a site which otherwise boasts of ‘fairness’.

                  • hey vic, apparently i work here now, i keep saying i don’t, but this ranter is unconvinced, so, it must be true. so when do i get my 1st paycheck?

                • @ Amol

                  You insulted me first aswell, has nothin to with jeffro personally as i don’t know him as much as i know you. I stated my opinions on both Burton’s & Nolan’s Batman films, both my likes & dislikes and if you aswell anyone else cannot handle that, well that’s your problem. But this is where i think im gonna end my conversations with you. Good Day.

                  • yeah, trying to have a reasoned convo with this guy is like trying to teach a brick wall how to drive a car. i’m done as well. he makes all these weird claims thsn dont have the stones to back it up, and just calls anyone who disagrees a nolan hater.

                    /looks for the ignore button\

                    • (“trying to have a reasoned convo”)


                      I still remember when I harmlesly said for the very first time, that I like Nolan’s Batman, instead of discussin git’s merits-demerits, what you did first up was to insult me saying “I had my nose deep up in Nolan’s behind” which was something I wasn’t prepared for and which pissed me off and which convinced me you are NOT the type of guy I’m going to discuss movies with irrespective of whether I do have b*lls/stones to do that or not. And the reason I jokingly said that you are perhaps employed at Screenrant was because SR surprisingly let you go free allowing that type of slang personal attack.

                      Other than that I have nothing against you.

            • I think Tim Burton portrayed “Batman’s Tragic Origin” wonderfully. He brought heart & personality into it.

          • Doing so much analyzing of a character is what led Heath Ledger to his grave, I believe. He did so much work mentally it makes my head spin. See, this is what happens when you dig so deeply into something you can’t get out.

      • I thought Chris Nolan over analyzed the Joker and made him TOO realistic. It kind of ruins it when you pry too deeply into psychological aspects of a character. What? Is he called ‘The Serious’? Geez Louise…

    • Exactly! Heath BECAME the Joker, both mentally & physically… Jack only played him (and well, might I add)

  8. Batman (1989): Camp personified.
    Batman Returns (1992): Horror personified. (Warning: Not suitable for children !)

    Batman Forever (1995): Pure fun and not to be taken seriously.
    Batman and Robin (1997): A good parody of The Batman.

    Batman Begins (2005) / The Dark Knight (2008): based on some great critically acclaimed stories made with the basic sense correctly in place that Batman’s birth was a result of a tragedy: his parents getting murdered before his own eyes and hence Batman can never be light and campy. Other superheroes may be. But not Batman.

    • Well, we know who YOUR favorite is.

  9. Nolan’s Batman trilogy is the best interpretation of Batman onscreen. Period

    • @ Lawrence

      TDKR isn’t even out yet. Imo i would say Nolan’s Batman films are great, but not the best intrepretations of the character onscreen.

    • Burton’s film are the GREATEST versions of Batman, hands down, and “greatest” and “hands down” trumps “best” and “period” -FTW!

      • @jeffro

        YOU ROCK!!!! :D

  10. I like all the Bat films…I enjoyed them all for what they represent. Sometimes you have to take yourself out of the box.

    • Yes…take yourself out of the box and kill the very spirit of what Batman represents and love the final dreadful result (read Burton’s Bat) under the pretext of broad mindedness.

    • @ Djinn

      I like people like you with open mind on things. As a fan of Batman, i enjoyed all incarnations of the character through the comics,tv & on film.

      • even though it is much hated upon, i can still watch bantman & robin. i think schumachers intent was to pay homage to the early comic books, and adam west version. such a huge cast, and, while she’s not an oscar contender, alicia silverstone ROCKED the batgirl suit. the constant one-liners killed it for me. the avengers is full of snappy lines, but not the sheer magnitude of them like in B&R. if you could go back end edit out most of ahnulds jokes, it might improve the film a ton. if i ever see a bluray collection of those four, CHEAP, i would get it. after talking about this so much todayt, i think i’ll go watch batman ’66 on netflix now

        • @ Jeffro

          I enjoyed it more when i was younger but these says i barely watch it. Id mostly likely watch it when i feel like watchin all 4 films. Besides my 2 nephews are just getting into Batman so it’s probly the one Batman film besides Batman:The Movie my sister & Sister-in law have no problem with them watching. I didn’t mind Alicis Silverstone, wasn’t sure who else could of played the role at the time. I could see Britney Murphy play Harley Quinn in Schumacher’s proposed 5th film. The only person i didn’t care for in the cast was George Clooney as Batman. If i was old then as i am now, i would knew the film was doomed. But mostly the film was bad because of the script & bad lines of dialogue. Especially that Arnold had in his role of Freeze & Schumacher messed up Bane which was one the things that ticked me off most. Its one thing for Schumacher to put nipples onto the bat-suits but it’s another for Warner Bros wanting the 4th film to be lighter than Batman Forever. Id buy the 66 Adam West Batman tv series to add to my collection. Adam West is the one actor who’s closest to Batman’s height yet outta all the actors who portrayed him.

        • jeffro,

          At least that is something we agree upon. ‘Batman Forever (1995)’ and ‘Batman and Robin (1997)’ are FUN to watch and good to laugh at and have a good time. But when it comes to Burton’s Bat, I’m going to bulldoze anything in the path…without making personal attacks like you of course.

  11. I think it’s highly mature & adult of Kevin Feige to praise the Nolanverse Bat films, just as it’s hilarious that Burton views his Batfilms as lighthearted romps compared to the Nolanverse.

  12. I noticed simliarites between Burton’s films & Nolan’s film.

    1. What the hell are you? Im Batman. Who are you? Im Batman.

    2. In Batman Begins, Batman standing still at the top of a building. In 89 Batman stood at the top of somthing lookin at the Bat-signal.

    3. In TDK, the way Batman was racing towards the Joker on the Batpod. Looked simliar to that of Batman sloping down in the Batwing in the 89 Batman film.

    4. Joker saying kill me during same sequence. In 89 film Joker was sayin Come to me.

    5. Both Jokers fall to the ground, only Bale’s Batman saves Ledger’s Joker.

    6. From preview of TDKR, Bruce & Selina dance as they did in Batman Returns only Selina wears a mask as people did during the party in Burton’s film.

    7. To small referance to Batman & Robin, Bane’s bald again,lol. Not that it matters. Im sure it has somthing to do with his breathing problem/mask thingy.

      • @ Amol

        Funny, i feel the same way about you aswell. I just compared stuff what was easily noticable in Nolan’s film that were similar to what was seen in Burton’s films. I find easy for ya to insult Burton & Kane’s work as it’s easy for Nolan & even Snyder to redo redo Batman/Superman films,lol. Especially starting Man Of Steel the same way as Batman Begins. Im surprised Snyder didn’t go by the title Superman Begins & save Man Of Steel for the sequel. Oh well.

          • @ Amol

            The way you are. anything i say to comparing the Real Issue between the two directors work you would simply just ignore & deny anyways. Why should i bother now?

        • Wallywest

          (“it’s easy for Nolan to redo Batman”)

          That’s because no live-action director before him had put any REAL efforts at even UNDERSTANDING Batman’s tragic origin. An dso it going to be dificult – if not impossible – asking for any post-Nolan director to do touch his Batman. With sincere efforts in correct direction, it’s possible though.

          • Any REAL efforts?! Making a movie IS a real effort, no matter who you are. Sometimes it takes a different kind of understanding then worrying about how you’ll do at the box office.

          • @Amol

            I wonder what you would say now. After seeing Nolan turn Bruce Wayne into a crybaby in TDKR.

  13. @Wallywest

    Good to see someone’s mature here. I’ve seen this Amol in several duscussion about batman, and all he said was about how campy Burton’s Batman was and what a super genius director Nolan is.
    I enjoyed Burton’s Batman. It was my first gothic movie. And now, I find myself enjoying Nolan’s Batman. insulting the other just shows how immature you are, Amol.

    • @ Valentine

      Thank you. I was too young to see Burton’s first Batman film but did see Batman Returns in theaters which comes to mind i think was the first CBM i seen in the theater. But i enjoyed both Burton & Nolan’s Bat-films the same really. Both director’s films had their own flaws regarding the character/characters,etc. & both had things i liked. Glad im not the only one who enjoyed Burton’s Batman films. To a lesser extent i enjoyed Batman Forever & Batman & Robin is probly the least Batman film id watch from time to time. Unlike most people, i blame WB as much as i would Joel Schumacher for how the Batman franchise ended. That’s just me.

      • The only thing I liked from Batman Forever was the car & the Riddler, even if he got a tad annoying at times.

    • Finally. I agree with you @Valentine. Both directors brought their own UNIQUE vision to the character, and they BOTH did a wonderful job! LOL, I feel like a kindergarten teacher comparing artwork…

  14. I am a true fan of the original Batman :-) Sure, Chris Nolan may have all the cool special effects and they may have new costumes and everything but Tim Burton inspired it all to begin with. He is entirely unique & original. There is no comparison.

    • @ Samantha

      Thank You & Welcome to the club! I enjoy both director’s Bat-films but Nolan’s imo has it’s limitations in stuff, especially villains if his reboot was to continue. Outta all the Batman costume that been on film, id say my favorite was the one from Batman Returns. I loved the Batmobile from both Burton’s films. And the Batjet in the first film. First film was the best outta that series. I agree about how Tim Burton inspired it all really. His films even helped inspired Batman:TAS become as great as it was. I liked Batman Forever aswell. I thought it was good sequel for what it was. Jim Carrey was great as The Riddler & i was glad they included Robin in the franchise. Still got my Robin crystal mug i got from McDonalds when the movie came out.

    • @Samantha

      What planet are you living on? Tim Burton was highly original? Sorry to break it to you, but Batman was created by Bob Kane, Jerry Robinson and Bill Finger in 1939. There were literally fifty years of Batman comics already out there before Burton came along, including dozens of Batman serials, most notably Adam West’s portrayal (that inspired Tim Burton as well).

      Further, Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns came out three years before the movie and was an obvious influence on Burton’s look (and Nolan’s general story themes).

      Adapting a character in existence for 50 years prior to your movie does not qualify as inspiring it all (quite the contrary), not is it “entirely” unique and original. I wouldn’t call Nolan’s take unique and original either – as it also is steeped in the comic books. Burton has many relatively unique and original things on his resume – notably Edward Scissorhands and Beetlejuice – but Batman surely wasn’t one of them. He essentially mixed the look of modern noir comic style popularized by Miller with the campy story attributes of the old Adam West series (and essentially tried the same mixture just this year with Dark Shadows).

      You can give Burton a lot of credit for attempting to make an all-ages big-budget superhero film before it was popular to do so (or proven to work) – so a trailblazer yes. But nothing he did inspired “it all” or was particularly original outside of perhaps, the super hero movie genre itself (and given that super hero movies didn’t really take off for a next couple of decades, it is arguable that Blade had a more salient effect than Burton’s Bat-films on the super hero film genre).

      • @ Evan

        I think Samantha was makin the point how Burton’s films has originality within the films as does Nolan’s. Both directors changed things in their films from within the comics & the characters themselves. I don’t see how Burton was inspired by Adam’s West Portrayal as Batman(89) was the first great dark CBM.

        I agree that Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns was a influence on Burton’s film. Try telling that to Amol if you dare as he think’s otherwise.

        Like me & others, Samantha gave balance credit to both Burton & Nolan on their Bat-films. Like i said Burton’s first Batman film really paved the way for great CBM. Even Dolph Lundgren’s Punisher came out before Blade but wasn’t a crowd pleaser.

        • @ WallyWest

          Ah, my old sparring partner. First I have nothing to say to Amol, he is an idi***, I think we can both agree on that.

          Second, I dont mean that Burton/Keaton was inspired by West’s portrayal of Batman, but rather, they were inspired by the show itself. In Batman 89, you have the following scenes that are ridiculously campy and clearly influenced by the hijinks of the West films:
          1) Bruce Wayne literally sleeping while hanging upside down
          2) Joker shooting down a fighter jet (Batplane) with a comically long-barelled handgun
          3) Joker and co. spraypainting neon-hued graffiti on artwork while dancing to a Prince song
          4) Parade balloons spraying poison gas until Batman uses giant “bat-scissors” to fut the strings and fly them into space.

          I am sure there are many more examples of outright campy/outrageous hijinks that I simply don’t remember (and the camp level is raised much more in Batman Returns where we literally have rocket penguins). All of this stuff are things we would fully expect to see from the West era Batman/silver-age comic book series. That is what I mean by the West era Batman influencing Burton’s work.

          • @ Evan

            Nice to see you too,lol.

            I see what you’re sayin now regarding the 60′s Batman show. I found nothin wrong Bruce sleeping upside down like a bat. In Batman:TAS, Bruce slept down in the Batcave in the episode “Dreams In Darkness” I think. It was one of Scarecrow episodes.

            2. can’t really explain the gun that shot down the Batplane. I mean it shoots down the Batplane then he tricks Vicki by acting like he’s gonna shoot Vicki with it only with a BANG! flag coming out of it as id expect Joker would trick someone in a comic or the TAS. I guess i party agree with ya there.

            On 3. i can agree with ya on.

            On 4. though, those Balloons were releasing gas onto Gotham citizens, not just killing them but makin them die with a smile on their face as Joker would be crazy of doin. I liked it as Joker always liked to be creative in causing chaos. Batplane having whatever it was to grab hold of the balloon cables didn’t bother me when he released them higher into the skies.

            Rocket-pack Penguins didn’t bother me really as they fitted Burton’s version of the Penguin. Only thing was where were cops or people on the street? But we seen two Penguins fire rockets at Batman on his way to the Penguin’s lair.

            Imo, i think Nolan had his own moments in TDK that would be seen as inspired by the 60′s Batman show aswell.

            1. Fake grenade left in bank worker’s mouth when smoke came out when Joker made his escape in the beginning.

            2. Joker & some of his goons wearing clown masks in the beginning & throughout the film.

            3. Joker dressed in a nurse’s outfit.

            Just my opinion of pointing out things is all.

            • First, let me say I am impressed by your seeming encyclopedic knowledge of TAS – awesome.

              Second, I have no issues with campiness – I own and absolutely love the Adam West Batman movie. The fact is, that for decades Batman was a light-hearted and goofy character in the comics, and the TV show simply reflected that. Heck, Scott Pilgrim vs. The World is probably one of my favorite films of the last few years and it reveled in camp.

              My point was simply that Burton was clearly inspired by the West/silver-age Batman portrayal. Now it is clear that he also took a more mature approach to the film, but Burton’s Bat-films are much more steeped in camp and cartooniness than Nolan or TAS. That doesn’t make it bad, it just means that Burton gets credit he isn’t due when his vision was much closer to camp. Obviously, we wouldn’t be comic fans if things like rocket penguins made us unhappy, but we need to call it what it is, camp. There would never be rocket penguins in TAS or a Nolan-film. In fact, there is really no difference between how Pfeiffer and all the West-era actresses played Catwoman – they both purred, rolled their “R”s and engaged in cat-like behavior. I highly doubt Nolan’s Catwoman will make any “cat” puns or display cartoonish cat-like abilities. That’s not to say Nolan’s version of Catwoman is better, its just an actual serious portrayal as compared to Burton’s over the top cartoonish version of Catwoman.

              Also, you are true, there are obvious moments of camp in Nolan’s film as well (although I don’t think the clown masks were camp in any ways – robbers wear masks and the robbers were dead serious when robbing the bank, not dressed in neon tanks and actually dancing as Burton’s villains were). By its very nature, comic films will always have some sort of camp or cartooniness. As I recall, Batman Begins has some hilarious search for a “microwave emitter” and spent the first-third with Bruce in some sort of modern-day ninja cult. The difference is, Burton steeped his two films in camp, and established Batman in a cartoon universe. Nolan’s camp is incidental to a realistic-based universe, and he strives to minimize the cartoonishness of his films whereas Burton embraced it.

              My favorite super-hero film is Spider-Man 2, but Raimi, like Burton, embraced the cartoonish aspects of the genre. What Nolan does is to minimize the cartoonish aspects of the genre – and frankly, he is really the only one to do that (outside, maybe, Iron Man and Captain America).

  15. @ Samantha

    What’s your opinion of Burton’s version of The Penguin from Batman Returns outta curiousity?

    • I am so happy you asked me that. The Penguin’s side of things was my favorite part of Batman Returns. I thought Tim made it very realistic and it really seemed like he was raised by Penguins. Socially awkward, cast aside… much like the birds themselves. It is a cool connection to draw. And he stayed true to the comic strip. I think, even, a bit better.

      • @ Samantha

        I agree, socially awkward & casted aside before he knew it aside being abandoned by his natural parents. I think he stay stayed true to the comics during act 2 of the film when he ran for mayor & got people into liking him etc. I have to say it made me like the character more & loved how Bruce Timm & Co. continued to use Burton’s version & staying more true to the comics in TAS.


    It seems that his forum is full of campy vs. realistic arguments. It seems that to most fans here campyness = bad, and realism = good. I just have to ask, where does being stylistic come into play? Many of the greatest films in history are highly stylistic. They are not based in realism during many points of their respective narratives. Some examples in the action genre include Kurosawa samurai films, and Leone spaghetti westerns. You could spend countless hours talking about silliness (or vamping, or campyness, depending on what term you prefer) in those films. Both directors create scenes with goofy music and/or dancing, unrealistic use of weapons, and bombastic and clownish villains.

    Despite their “campyness,” these directors are not only heralded in the action genre, but considered among the greatest of all time. My point is that you don’t have to be true to life to make a great action film. In fact, most of the all time greats are in fact not realistic at all, but rather unabashed stylistic endeavors.

    • @ Mattt

      Id agree with your comment there. Id go with both director’s take on the Batman franchise were stylistic endeavors. Bottomline is there was stuff in both director’s Bat-films that would be unrealistic, no doubt about that. Just about any film you can think of is flawed in one way or another. Imo, theres no perfect film. Maybe people say theres a perfect film every decade, century,etc. but i wouldn’t go further than sayin theres a perfect film, as in 100% perfect. That’s just my opinion though.

      • @Mattt and WallyWest

        First I agree, there is no such thing as a perfect film, and I have never heard any director say that they were 100% satisfied with their film (except, maybe, Uwe Boll).

        Anyways, to clarify, I don’t think people are making the argument (at least I am not) that campy = bad. I love B-horror, Adam West, Grindhouse, and plenty of other films. I think Scott Pilgrim vs. The World is one of the greatest super hero films of all time, and it breathes campiness.

        The issue I am debating, though, is that people are calling Burton’s films dark and mature similar to Nolan’s films when such is simply untrue. I agree that the BatPlane flying onto the moon is a great shot to watch, and Joker shooting down the jet with a comically long-barrelled handgun is entertaining. I only take issue when people claim such shenanigans are mature and non-campy, as many on this board claim. I am not saying, however, that Nolan’s films are better than Burton’s because Burton made outrageously campy films, I say it is better because of superior script, themes, action scenes, characters, and plot points (imo). I only own three Bat-films, the Nolan films and the West movie, and while I love all three equally, I would never say West’s film is “better” than the Nolan film. By that same token, I think the campy Thomas Jane Punisher is by far the better movie than the “serious” Ray Winstone take. Serious doesn’t always equal better, it just needs to be taken on a case by case basis.

        There is nothing wrong, per se, with campiness that makes it less valid than the Nolan pseudo-realism approach. Both Raimi and Whedon have shown with their respective franchises that comic book elements can be embraced while still making a movie that is just as good as Nolan’s Bat-films. The problem is when people see a “stylistic” film (and while I don’t particularly care for Burton, his films are wonderfully stylish) and confuse it with good story and/or realism-based serious approaches. People should enjoy Burton’s Bat-films if they wish, but not for the same reason they enjoy Nolan’s Bat-films.

        • @ Evan

          First i never claimed any director was 100% satisfied with their film.

          I seen alot of films that aren’t CBM of all genre. All i can mostly is aslong as the film is entertaining, blows my mind,etc. than i’ll be happy. I never seen Scott Pilgrim vs. The World & never finished watching Elektra.

          On the issue of the debate, i still hold up my opinion that Burton’s Batman films are dark like Nolan’s. BUT, dark in their own way & not the same way as the two director’s have different takes on the franchise. But still as i said both are dark in own way. That’s what i try to point out to people. I like both Burton & Nolan’s films equally. Like the comics,television shows, future films, i wouldn’t say one is better than the other because they’re all great in their own ways. Id like to tell ya at work how on breaks & hour lunchs myself & other co-workers at my jobs are allowed to bring movies to watch to pass time you know. But theres a group of people, partically two mostly that are hard core critics that i ever met. I say that because just about any movie thats shown during breaks & lunches, they always critize or talk about what they dislike. Doesn’t matter how popular the movie is. They even dissed Nolan’s films about how unrealistic this or that is in his films among other CBM. Let me also put it this way, if these two guys were in charge of a film studio-good luck having them approving your script for a film.

          Obviously theres fans of two different takes of CBM making. Theres those who like the tone that Nolan started with a realistic tone. And theres fans who enjoyed what Marvel Studios started with a comic book realistic/stylistic tone. The debate is the characters. Alot of people enjoy CBM, we just can’t all agree on the kind of approach/tone each film or franchise should take.

    • @ Matttt

      Ah, Yes, Sergio Leone and his famous and wonderfully campy (dare I add) spaghetti westerns! Perfect example of stylistic film genre. I liked his High Noon sequence in “Once Upon a Time in the West” and thought his attention to detail and sound were profound. He really made you FEEL you were a part of that time in history. And I think that’s part of the gift of adding a touch of campiness to your filmmaking… Let’s face it, it’s exhausting always trying to be perfect and please the audience with your ideas… you have to keep trying new things & being inventive otherwise things would very quickly get boring.

      You don’t always have to stay true to life to make a good action film, you make an excellent point, Mattt, and sometimes you get a little bit closer to real life by turning up the vamp even more. It’s a fearlessness I admire in movies.

  17. I’m amazed that no one chastised my grammatical errors. That is the epitome of tolerance to adverse points of view. I’m being a bit facetious, but honestly I appreciate the dialogue.

    My point is that as fans of something this storied and enduring, we all come into the debate with vastly different experiences of Batman canon(through comics, animation, and prior films), and we carry our own preferences in what we see as great film-making. There are probably aspects of this debate that are more objective, but its often a subjective matter.

    I’m not backing out of the debate (if you want me to give pros and cons of each Bat-director, I’ll happily oblige). I’m realizing that we would all be better served to acknowledge the myriad of complexities in this debate and address them reasonably.

  18. @Samantha:

    I’ve spent the better half of the past decade trying to convince my core friend group that “Once Upon a Time in the West” is a great film. Thanks for the validation :}

  19. @Wallywest i went on pre opening night to see Tim Burtons first Batman. Waited all night they gave away Batman T-shirts and movie posters the one with the bat symbol with the gold instead of yellow. What was awesome about when that movie came out is it came out of no where. MTV gave away a Batmobile that summer the only day i didnt watch MTV is the day they gave it away. People can say what they want about Tim Burtons Batman movies but they did have Bob Kane’s personal approval. Another thing i always liked was his Gotham City was its own city. You couldnt watch another movie *cough* Transformers 3 *cough* and see Gotham City. At the time when it came out Tim Burtons Batman was considered a serious take on Batman and changed the landscape of how CBM were made, just like Christopher Reeves Superman did. By the way also in Burtons Batman movies you saw Batman doing detective work whether it be finding out what the combination of chemicals were in cosmetics to figuring out what the Penguin was up to.

    • @ pawn65

      You’re lucky. I never got to see Christopher Reeve’s Superman films on the big screen nor Tim Burton’s first Batman film as my parents thought it would be too violent. I only remember seeing pictures of the film in a magazine before it’s release. I agree about how great Gotham City looked in his two films & knew was it wasn’t a real city like New York was Metropolis in the Superman films. Sad WB/Schumacher ruined the franchise. I agree did see Batman doin detective work by goin out to buy bunch stuff that Joker of poisoned goods with,finding out the combination of the chemicals, doin background checks on Jack Napier’s criminal record aswell goin thru newspaper articles when the red triangle circus gang first attacked & after Penguin’s first public appearance. Even went on a stakeout & knew somthing was up.

      Batman Returns was the first CBM i seen in theaters because i had one of my older brothers who was old enough to go with which i was thankful for. After that came Batman:TAS which to this day is my favorite adaption of the Batman characters outside of the comics. The show really introduced Robin to me for starters as i hardly knew anything about him as all i had was a Superfriends figure of him & haven’t seen reruns of the 60′s Batman show yet.

    • @ Samanths

      Just curious, if you were able to start your own Batman franchise, how would you do it?

  20. Ha, ha! I think if I were able to start my own Batman franchise, I would make Gotham City a place where people could visit and interact with their favorite characters. Following in the footsteps of J.K Rowling & Walt Disney….. Gotham City would be a place that would make Disney World weak by comparison.

    There are a lot of Pro’s (as well as Cons, I am sure) with having your own theme park. But since it’s a new idea, let’s stick with the pro’s.

    Turning the Batman Empire into a place you could actually see and touch would keep the spirit alive forever and still give the opportunity to try out new ideas and give characters who maybe didn’t receive their full comeuppance in the films their rightful validation.

    I really believe Gotham City would be a bigger success then some of the theme parks out there today. The characters are much criticized and loved by the world and there is definitely a larger fan base.

    I’d make it so much more FUN than Batman: The Ride (Which sucks, by the way) that people would keep coming back for more.

    Can you imagine being able to walk through the town itself? Shake hands with “the Bat”, personally?! Eat Batman shaped pancakes?! Own your very own set of Bat ears???!!! And of course, we couldn’t have it without his trusty sidekick, Robin… who can be seen riding the streets in his Redbird, offering people lifts around the park.

    And instead of a parade at the end of the day, have something spectacular happen where we see the Bat Signal appear in the sky signifying mass chaos & destruction and Batman come riding in in his Batmobile or Bat-Tumbler (((switches from day to day to keep it fresh))) or jumps off the side of a building to greet the crowd.

    I can envision it now. Millions of cheesy family pictures at Batman Land with Batman, the Joker, etc… etc… etc…

    Now wouldn’t you like to see that as a Christmas card? Hahahaha!! There could even be a special room showcasing each of the directors work, if they wanted to. :D

  21. Looking at the title “Batman Land” is making me do a double take with “Burton Land” Batman Land — Burton Land….. with all his characters in his movies….. I think there’s enough to have a theme park. “Burton Land’s Wonderland” That would be a very cool place. And of course, Batman would be there ;)

    • Well, if you’re going insane then I am going insane with you because after reviewing both trailers, I saw it, too…. :) Well, all I can say is: it’s about time Christopher Nolan pays a little bit of tribute to the original ;) Bwahahahahah!!!

  22. Am i the only one concerned that the Hero is slowly becoming as dark and sinister as the villains with each passing movie.

    • The dark forces have been unleashed upon the bat. It’s the inevitable. What can we say? It’s a REVOLUTION, man! Personally, the 1989 Tim Burton one will always be it, though.

  23. After Tim Burton’s Batman FIlms with Michael Keaton, how can anyone compete with that. I loved Michael Keaton as BATMAN and Pfeiffer, DeVito, and Nicholson, they made those movies magical. As for Nolan’s Dark Knight films, I was not impressed and very bored with them, I will say I like the actor who plays Com. Gorden
    I forget the actor’s name but he is great for that part. I wish Tim Burton would come back and do another BATman film but I know that wont happen.

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  25. Heroes never die.
    They are too iconic.

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  26. I think the problem with the Burton films is that they focused too much on the villains and creating a fantasy world of Gotham than making Batman a hero. Keaton’s Batman just felt like an average guy in a suit with fancy gadgets, the other big hero a the time, Superman who was then portrayed by Christopher Reeve was a hero in every sense.
    I think the first Batman film was decent but not exceptional. Batman Returns became very weird, you can tell Burton had total creative control because the storyline just got really weird. And again there was too much focus on the villains and the nicely designed sets.
    Nolan got it right with Batman making him a real hero, making the world he inhabited feel dangerous and real. Christian Bale is to Batman the way Christopher Reeve is to Superman, no one will ever be able top them.