‘The Walking Dead’: Where There’s a Tank, There’s a Way

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David Morrissey in The Walking Dead Season 4 Episode 7 The Walking Dead: Where Theres a Tank, Theres a Way

[This is a review of The Walking Dead season 4, episode 7. There will be SPOILERS.]

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A fair amount of stories that revolve around zombies generally have something to say about the nature of humanity and the basic principles of morality, and how, when things like, say, the end of the world happen, those two concepts pretty much get tossed out the window. And while The Walking Dead has spent plenty of time working plots in and out of various examinations of that notion, it’s never more overt than when the show is depicting the Governor (a.k.a. Philip/Brian) flipping the evil switch and killing with impunity all those who stand in his way.

Last week was spent in Philip’s company as he wandered around the South, in a post-Woodbury funk, until he came upon some survivors in need. This kinder, gentler Philip seemed to cringe at the thought of violence and confrontation, and was even reluctant when it can time to assume a leadership role with the new family he’d inadvertently picked up. And the way ‘Live Bait‘ concluded, there was a hint of worry that Philip and his surrogate family were in a bad way after they wound up in the company of Martinez and his new traveling companions. But as it turns out, it was Martinez, the trusting soul, who allowed a dangerous sociopath into his group and wound up paying for that mistake with his life.

As far as episodes go, ‘Dead Weight’ didn’t have much more to offer in the pacing department than last week’s sometimes plodding entry, but it did serve as build-up for the mid-season finale next Sunday. Generally, episodes that spend most of their time in anticipation of what’s coming up next leave the viewer wishing that the writers would just get on with it, and lay the groundwork for the following chapter with a little more spirit. There was certainly some of that going on here, as the episode went the heavy-handed route with the young Meghan (Meyrick Murphy) asking Brian all sorts of questions about what constitutes a good or bad person. Of course, all of this was handled within the framework of the two playing chess because clunky, obvious symbolism is important in terms of even more obvious foreshadowing, apparently.

Alana Masterson Audrey Marie Anderson and Meyrick Murphy in The Walking Dead Season 4 Episode 7 The Walking Dead: Where Theres a Tank, Theres a Way

And while those parts of Philip/Brian’s journey back into villainy were perhaps more ham-fisted than they needed to be, this was an episode centered on a guy who once (and maybe will again?) called himself the Governor; and a guy who does that is pretty much going to dial everything he does up to eleven – which he did when Martinez made the ill-advised suggestion the two bond over a bottle of whiskey and some golf clubs. Sure, emotions were probably running high with the suggestion that Martinez could keep a place safe better than the Governor could, but listening to Philip say “I don’t want it,” over and over again while dragging his former brother-in-arms into a pit full of walkers definitely felt like David Morrissey was checking to see if he could take it to twelve.

Still, despite the oddly placed energy and uneven pacing, the episode made good use of Kirk Acevedo (Oz, Fringe) and Enver Gjokaj (Dollhouse), even though it was only Acevedo’s tank-driving Mitch who will live to see the mid-season finale. And that’s really what ‘Dead Weight’ was around to do: set things up for another go-round between the Governor and Rick at the prison.

This time it seems the Governor believes victory will come through superior firepower. Let’s just hope, for their sake, none of his followers get in the way of that tank.

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  1. This has truly been the best season since season 1. The writing and pacing has been great, can’t wait for next week. I’m going to be sad when the Governor is gone. He is a great character.

    • All on board with you. This season has followed the cardinal rule that Season 1 had and last season followed until it’s mid-season finale: When all else fails, toss a couple Zombies in just for the crud of it. Something to remind everyone how dangerous of a world these people live in.

      From Zombies falling through the roof, to the tense hospital scene, to the fence falling on Rick and Carl as victems of the flu change on Herschel, this season has not had one dull episode. Love it.

    • I tend to find the reviews of this show far too picky. I seem to enjoy every episode more than those who review them. Of course, I am not tasked with writing an article that analyzes and critiques it so I just sit back and enjoy. Unless something is just too out-of-place that I am taken out of the fictional dream, I tend to go along for the ride.

  2. I think to call this episode just a set up is not correct. In that sense every episode is just a lead up to the finale. This was just the final chapter of the story of the Governor’s journey.

    I though it was fantastic. I actually found myself liking this guy. I thought he was going to change. He was ready to get the heck out of dodge with his new family but then the “Walker Ditch” in the road changed his destiny. I always knew the old Governor would return, but I like the way the show made you think otherwise until he killed Martinez and that other guy.

    I went from despise this guy, to sympathizing with him, to almost liking him, to despising him again all in the course of 2 episodes. Can’t wait for the finale.

    • Agreed

    • In season 3 he was good introduced as one sick bastard and though I considered the S3 final really disappointing, the obsessed maniac he is, was pretty clear … his anger, his rage, his desire for revenge … the whole season 3 set him up as not to be trusted, sick, obsessed, perverted and violent maniac (just think what he did to Andrea and others for nothing) … these two episodes ruined it all, in my opinion.

      I was bored by these 2 episodes and I just don’t buy it … especially last episode, it’s all so implausible and even though all is within known parameters of the character, it’s just off-character (the TV characters!). I don’t buy it … that this man is starting an attack on the prison, most of all that all these other people are following him blindly … he’s just a loser now who attacks from behind … not a serious threat. Implausible.

      However, that’s just my point of view. Next week it’s over and hopefully season 4 of The Walking will move on and get better!

      • I think the point is like Rick, the Governor will do anything to protect his family, whether it be his dead walker daughter or his new chess playing one.

        He wanted to run but realized he can’t. The one brother and Martinez couldn’t lead so he had to take them out. He can’t ensure their safety that open camp… so the only answer is the prison. And if he has to get some revenge on Michonne, that’s even better for him.

        • Maybe he is just a narcissist and a sociopath who uses what passes for feelings to justify his actions ? Nothing he is doing is going to benefit anyone else and will probably just get more people killed like his last failed siege. If he does enough damage going after Rick and the gang at the prison it won’t be much use to anyone seeing how the fence is already in bad shape.

          • I agree with this.

      • I don’t understand your point. Nothing he did seemed out of character to me. He was a leader and allowed himself the conceit of doing awful things while believing he was doing it for the community. After he loses it and kills his people his purpose is lost. He wasn’t portrayed as a total psycho upon introduction. We saw a deeply flawed man that became truly villainous. As such, I don’t think it was unusual to see him try and adopt a new identity where he tries to be something different. What would have been out of character would have been if he was successful. Instead, the same ruthless Governor emerges to rise to the task of protecting the people again, no matter what. We also know that to be a self-serving trait that only reinforces his insanity. That’s my opinion, not that it should matter to yours. Sometimes the same things can strike us in different ways depending on our respective interpretations and expectations.

  3. Awaiting Moderation….. hmmmmm

  4. Why can’t I comment ?

  5. Never mind
    Mid season finale already ??
    I hope it delivers next Sunday

  6. what a nutjob the Governor is

  7. Anyone else wondering how nobody heard Martinez get killed? There looks to be close to 20 people at that camp, no way that no one hears that.

    Next week looks like it could pick up the pace but then there is a huge break. I’m partially excited but I feel we’ll just be left with a cliff hangar like last year with Darryl and Meryl.

    This was a pretty weak episode for me. To have two straight episodes without focus on the main group was a big gamble I think.

    • What’s wrong with my comment?

      • Same thing that is wrong with mine….. 5 hours ago still awaiting moderation and cant figure out what is setting it off.

    • Others are of the opinion that this freshens the show by showing us something else besides just the claustrophobic confines of the prison. I enjoyed these and really what else could they really do but spend a little time with him if the writers were going to bring him back, and we knew they would. Would we really want him to show up back at the prison with only exposition to illustrate where he had gone and what he had gone through? I also think it works better this way than to keep changing back and forth from prison to Governor in a single episode.

      • I agree with everything you said. The only problem I have is the two episodes that felt too long away from Rick. Regardless of walkers, governors or whatever else; this is Rick’s journey. From the hospital bed and on we’ve been with Rick except for one episode last year, and I liked the one episode break away then and now.

        Two is one too many for me.

        • Totally agree here … that’s what the show runners seem to forget sometimes: it’s about Rick, Carl and their journey together with their group … they are the protagonists. The show is very character-driven – but by the characters of Rick and his group, not by the antagonist characters.

          Of course the villain has to be introduced and characterized too … but with those two episodes they totally lost perspective of who’s story is told in this show. Most of all the Governor didn’t need this human touch or different approach – all was known, all was said – it just took the momentum away from the main story and all the stretching of the plot is getting boring.

    • Agreed. This plot holes are everywhere in almost every season 4 episode: the writers just set up things as they wish regardless plausibility – just to show the points they want to show: killing Martinez – where’s everybody? the walker behind the washing line – how can he get in the camp unnotized while (as we seen when the Governor shots him) many people are there? The camp isn’t that big. Or just the time past between last episode of season 3 till the Governor meets his new family – he grows a beard of at least six months and it feels much more time – but it can’t be more than 2 months.
      There are so many of these crude plot holes!

    • I agree with this !

  8. ***Indirect spoiler alert***

    A tip. Don’t watch the trailer for next week. It spoils the will he/won’t he suspense of the final scene.

    At this point in time, if I could make it through the awful third season and still watch it, then it is becoming pointless to hear myself complain about stupid moments that still present themselves. We get them every episode. We will continue to get them every episode. The show remains incredibly popular (I do contend though that the majority know it is nonsensical, cheap ABC plotting TV and embrace this as it offers just that as escapism) and will continue to do so.

    Opening titles though are always the best. It was admittedly a corking little shot of The Governer, the little girl and the tank (the clean clothes symbolising a ‘washing the leftover mess’ plot left over from S3).

    • Additional:

      The whole of S3 could’ve easily been condensed into the first 8 episodes of that season. I cannot help but feel what I am watching should’ve been the second 8 episodes of that very same season.

      • I partyl agree. Season 3 was good, but after an already very slow season 2 a bit lagging. But it had amazing episodes. Season 3 failed with the final (and also with the unnecessary death of Andrea … instead the Governor lived … epic fail).

        I agree that this whole season 4 so far is just stretching the plot since the last episode of season 3. This second attack of the Governor could have started in episode 3 or so. The only essential and plot developing episode of season 4 was episode 4. The flu is just a trick to stretch the plot to have the second attack for midseason final. Over all the last two episodes about the Governor are just rehashing to serve those with short term memory and those who just want to see some human drama and Morrissey playing. But nothing new … we are now exactly at season 3 final, nothing really happened, but AMC had 8 episodes more.

        However, I’m glad to see the Governor/ prison plot coming to an end. Hopefully! And hopefully the Governor dies (I’m not sure about this … since the show runners pretty accurate follow the plot of the comic book, but it seems they love Morrissey as the Governor so much … not sure if they can let go?).

        • I couldnt agree more. This whole story line withe Governor coming back to the prison is all “been there, done that”. We have already seen this fight. He lost.

          It would have been smarter to just leave Live Bait as a stand alone episode and eventually use the Governor for a spin off some sort of anti-hero. He’s been a villain then got reformed and can go a lil crazy when provoked. It would have been perfect.

      • Yeah, I have to agree with you on that. I sort of felt like S3 started out good, with promise, but ended with some epic fails. I am willing to give this season a shot in which I hope it starts out okay and delivers at the end. Maybe that will make up for last season’s epic disappointment? I don’t know. I liked this episode but I also felt like this all could have been done within the first 6 episodes. Hopefully they deliver next week

        • Yeah, hope so. Season 3 final handed in later. So far season 4 was pretty lame, but I as well hope the season starts out delivering with next season or at least in the second half.

          • … dam*#it … mistyped … starts out delivering with next EPISODE, of course … next season, meh … guess I wouldn’t wait so long anymore. ;-)

    • I couldn’t continue to watch a show with that low of an opinion of it. If you’re thinking “that’s stupid, who would do that?” every ten minutes then you cannot truly enjoy it. I don’t find this happening to me. Nothing usually strikes me oddly enough that it pulls me out of the narrative.

  9. Looking forward to next week. I don’t know why, but I totally feel the Governor is going to pull the trigger on Herschel right away to kick off the episode/conflict. Michonne may take a hit but will live. Also think that the Governors revenge will be successful; either he takes the prison or inflicts enough damage in a blaze of glory to force Rick’s group to move on.

    Agreed that the symbolism was a bit heavy handed at times, but most of it worked for me. Seeing the Governor re-establish his power through calculated murder and manipulation was crazy (idk why, but I loved him getting his old machine gun that he used to take out Woodbury 1.0). I’m also a fan of the Governor’s pulsing theme; really takes his craziness to another level.

    • From the promo you can see the governor with blood on his face, that is what is known as blowback from a gun shot wound up close. He shot someone.

  10. Thus episode was terrible and pointless..We learned absolutely nothing knew about the governor..we all know he is a phyco maniac didn’t need a whole episode..Only thing we learned is how dum they wrote Martinez..why in the hell would u trust a man who just slaughterd like 12 innocent people for no swan good reason..and also the guy from oz..Yea I’ll side with u even tho you just stuck a knife in my brothers back ..that makes sense lets get real people this episode was hot garbage

    • I really see forward to FINALLY see the Governor die!

      Though I’m not sure if the show runners can let go of Morrissey … it seems they love him and the characters of the Governor so much … since they donated 2 senseless episodes to show some acting (beyond doubt good acting) and some needless human touch (some call it deepening of the character … even though all was known before and nothing new was added to the character).

      At least this episode wasn’t as boring as the last Governor episode. But there were still some pretty stupid settings … for example the walker behind the clothes line to overemphasize why the Governor is going villainous again … it’s like kids TV … everything repeated and double stated, so everybody gets it. And again the artificial suspense … ok, nice to develop the character of the oh so tough girl Tara and to show how inexperienced she is (by just pulling the walker in his leg). Still it’s a pretty annoying scene … just to clearly state the mindset of the Governor, which is already clear.

      Many other thins in this episode are very implausible, but … however … it seems also very implausible for me to convince all the members of the new camp to attack the prison and to kill them all. It would have been very plausible as final of season 3 – since the Governor hat much more control in Woodburry and had already portrayed Rick’s group as the dangerous maniacs they are. Now it’s just implaubsible … but we’ll see soon.

      And in the second half of this season this series HOPEFULLY will go on with the story of Rick and his group and HOPEFULLY the show runners will also STOP STRETCHING the plot and move on. Then the show could be great again.

      • … portrayed as the dangerous maniacs they aren’t! (Of course … and various other mistype) :-)

  11. While I think the writing is outstanding this season, I’m having a hard time with the Governor plotline. I can’t seem to make a connection with such an evil sociopath and can’t stand the guy. Maybe it’s because I read the comics, and to avoid spoilers, I prefer the route the comics took with the Governor story. (I find myself frequently comparing the two in each episode, and my wife, who doesn’t read the comics, is enjoying the show.) Still, I try to keep an open mind about it all and will continue to watch. I just wish I could care more about him.

    • Yeah, I get it. My wife and some co-workers who have never read the comics love the Governor character. They think the guy is just crazy and yet, can pass off as a normal “charming guy”, LOL. I will be glad though when we get past this arc and move on to better things

      • The ruined the Governor on TV in my opinion. But you’re right, just TV audience doesn’t get it. Although they even ruined him on TV … he was introduced really good with his walkers daughter, the skulls and walker heads in his room and the walkers fighting arena … but then they screwed it with the season 3 final and even worse with these 2 episodes giving him some human touch.

        The Governor is meant to be just a selfish, sick maniac … not just another Rick doing what needs to be done for his loved ones, just without moral compass. He’s just a sick bastard. The TV Governor is just lame …

        • So you’re saying the Governor should be a generic one-note villain?

          Look, I’ve read the comics and he was pretty cool in the comics. But he wasn’t a character, he was a force. Woodberry plotline in the comics felt kind of out of place for The Walking Dead, since before that it was more about what people would do to survive in this messed up world and seeing the fall of civilization. The Governor was more like a slasher villain. He was cool, yes, and I enjoyed that story arc, it just didn’t quite fit in the Walking Dead universe. The TV show Governor I find more interesting, and fits in this universe a lot more. The point of the last episode and this one was to see the different sides to his character, because ultimately he’s still human.

          • He isn’t a bit less “generic one-note villain” now then he was before, since we knew everything shown in this episode before about the Governor. In fact he’s even more generic since the writers just follow the trendy portrayal of the human side of monsters … you can see this everywhere in shows like Dexter. Even mass murders and totally sick bastards have their human side and are somehow comprehensible … come on … already so generic!

            Most of all: his “other side” was shown before in season 3 … the last 2 episodes are just rehashing to serve those with short term memory and those who just want to see some human drama and Morrissey playing. It’s some kind of tribute to an character … and this totally doesn’t fit the Walking Dead universe.

            • Except, this totally DOES fit in The Walking Dead universe. We’re getting to see what is “right” when it comes to survival and protecting your people, and how much is “too far”. They’ve done a great job with this character this season. And no, The Governor is NOT as generic as he was in the comic books. Like I said, he was cool in the comics but there wasn’t anything to that character other than him being evil. Because, umm, he is? There was no motive, he was just being evil.

              Of course, I’m done with this debate anyway. I’ve accepted that you prefer action and gore over character development, and I have no problem with that. It looks like next weeks will have a lot of action, so I hope you can finally get an episode you will enjoy.

              • Yeah, I’m tired too of this debate. Just you don’t get it: I do not prefer walker action (though after a long time of very slow plot development the show could need a bit more tempo) and I hate gore … I prefer character development and plot development, but this isn’t good one!
                This is stretching and diluting the core plot. As said before, The Governor is antagonist … it’s not about him … and his character development wasn’t that good in the last 2 episodes, just needless drama for the sake of drama and to double state things said before.

                We’ll see if we agree on next episode …

    • Totally agree. They did a great job to adopt the comic book to TV so far, but with the Governor and the stretching of the prison plot they made their first big mistake in my opinion. Also with the death of Andrea … which plays a important role in the comic book in coming story arcs. So the character of Andrea has to be replaced by another character taking her role.

      Also Tyreese isn’t really good adopted on TV. I really hope Abrahams group will get the right treatment!

  12. I just feel is tho they are pushing to show how crazy he is…But we already get it..you don’t get more bat s*** crazy than slaughtering 12 innocent people ..I don’t think it can get any worse than that..the episode would wore if it was intertwined in the beginning of season but to show it now just seems pointless…if someone can tell me one thing we learned new this episode please do?

    • Nope, I can’t.
      The need for this (in principle) needless episode was created by last (totally needless) episode … because last episode we’ve seen that The Governor lost interest in the prison, just to watch now how he gets interest again … though last we’ve seen him he just wanted to kill Michonne and Rick. STRETCHING THE PLOT! That’s it. Understandable, since AMC wants to see TWD on TV till 2022 … question is, if stretching the plot and diluting the main story is the right way to succeed. ;-)

  13. I actually really liked the scene with them playing chess :/

    Anyway, I thought the episode was great. Not as good as last weeks, but a great set up for next weeks episode. I really liked seeing the different sides of The Governor all in one episode, getting into the mind of that guy and seeing how he views survival. I also thought the direction was great in the episode, there were some pretty disturbing scenes and a great cliffhanger. I can’t wait for next weeks episode :D

    That being said, if the battle at the prison is more like the comic this time, a LOT of people are going to die…

  14. @Frobin your correct..I could not stand the governor ever since he killed more like slaughterd people who swore to protect this country and risk there lives..only to get shot down by some wannabe Jim Jones…a lot of people forgot about that..He was never good so I don’t really get how people started to like him and actually felt sympathy because of one misplaced episode called Live Bait…You get to a point were there is no turning back especially in a zombie apocalypse..just battle and get it over with please..people say he has a tank now..He had one last year big deal

  15. The M60 tank hasn’t been part of the active duty Army since 1997, there is no way the tanker simply drove away with one. I guess its nearly impossible to find an M1 Abrams for filming?

  16. I know it is probably about time for the Governor to die, but I hope not. He is probably my favorite character on the show and Morrisey has been amazing.

    I think he takes the prison this time but it will be the end of his storyline for a while. I think he is just too good on this show to kill off. And I have never read the comics so I don’t have a basis for comparison, but I appreciate that they showed his human side and delved a bit more into how his mind works.

    • Agreed. Although I will be sad to see him go whenever he does, I think next weeks episode will be a good departure for his character. I’ve read the comics, and he really isn’t much of a character in the comics. He was intimidating and cool, but the TV version is much more interesting and more relatable. I’ve really loved David Morrissey’s portrayal, but if next weeks episode is his final one, I’ll be fine with it.

  17. As much as I like this show I never like it when characters just do blatantly stupid things to move along a plot line. Martinez even letting the Governor live was bad enough, letting him worm his way into his group was just mind numbing stupidity, which is only being magnified by yet another group of hapless pawns (I get the heavy-handed chess analogy) falling for his tricks.

    And since I know some people come and here and still claim not to want to read spoilers I won’t get into the preview for next. But this really has to be a wrap for this storyline and a change of venue because it really is starting to look repetitive.

  18. ***POSSIBLE SPOILERS***
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    So lets see who dies..
    Ricks daughter, Herschels youngest and Tyreese

    Ricks daughter as it was such with the tank scene in the books this time Beth will be the carrier.

    And well Tyreese as it has been established Michonne is staying around.

    The group will be splinter much like it was at the farm but hopefully this time we will get better ‘little’ stories of the smaller groups. Rick and his son going off living alone, Michonne and Daryl dealing with “The Hunters” and Maggie, Herschel and Glenn running into Carol.

    Two episodes for each group of course we bring them all together meeting up with a smaller group headed to D.C. for “The Cure”……

    I guess I can hope…

    • SPOILER ALERT

      Beth and Judith are a pretty good guess, I think. I would also say Hershel, but I think maybe he stays a little longer – since I think he’s the replacement for Dale in the Hunters story arc. But it could also be some other character.
      I would also say Tyreese dies … though he isn’t even well introduced … but with Daryl, Tyreese and later Abraham we have 3 very similar characters … and since Daryl is the darling of the TV show runners, he will not die. So my guess would be Tyreese. For sure the sister of Tyreese, imo.

      And of course: The Governor (i really hope so) … the question is who kills the Governor … will it be one of his new family after realizing he ordered to murder a baby (Judith) and other innocent people?

      Not dying in my opinion: Rick, Carl, Glenn, Maggie, Daryl, Michonne, maybe Hershel …

  19. The Governor is back! Can’t wait for mid-season finale. I had a feeling he’d kill Martinez later on. More so as the episode progressed. Body in the lake was a nice touch imo. And having his gun right at Michonne. Sunday can’t come fast enough not to mention the 2nd half of the season.

  20. There was a moment during this episode when I thought “This is the precursor to Woodbury.” If it wasn’t for Martinez, this whole two episode arc could’ve easily been the set up for the Governor’s first rise to power. That being said, I appreciated the episode for it – we get to see Brian use cold, calculating means to manipulate everyone. It’s the kind of “leadership” that I really wanted to see in season 3.

  21. I’ve loved the governor’s arc this season. and I hope they don’t play it safe next week and avoid killing major characters. the typical Hershel, beth, sasha, judith, death predictions won’t do it for me. with a battle of that scale, including a tank and awesome firepower, it can’t just be the lower tier citizenry to fall.

  22. OMH, this episode frustrated the hell out of me! I kind of liked the redemption “Brian” had garnered last week and the new path I thought he was on, so to end up tossing that aside and going back to the way he was before had me screaming…NOOOOOOOO! Ah well.

  23. I wonder if Hershel becomes a victim. Hope not.

  24. This episode utterly destroyed anything that was accomplished in the previous week’s episode. Essentially, it seems as if the writers just wanted to recreate the comic panel of the governor with the tank for the midseason finale. The way he has ended up at the prison again has been sloppy and lazy compared to the rest of the writing for what has been a strong season 4 up until this point.

    Firstly, we’re re-treading a plot thread from the third season with the governor making his assault on the prison again. Had the writing from season 3 been better, they would have concluded the governor’s story line already. Instead, we get a two episode governor re-tread where he essentially gets a Maybury 2.0.

    Secondly, you do not kill the brother of the man who owns and operates a tank that is literally parked next to what is effectively your home. Tell me, in what world, post apocalyptic or not, does a man allow you to get away scott free with stabbing his brother to death in the back in cold blood? Thirdly, the governor ‘wants’ the prison for it’s fortifications, yet the tank he is bringing to take the prison, will literally destroy the aforementioned fortifications, thus rendering the mission pointless to being with.

    And finally, how on earth does he convince his new group to make what will likely prove to be a very costly assault on a group that they have no beef with? At least with the original Woodbury, Rick’s group had inadvertently attacked them during the rescue of Maggie and Glenn. Here there are no such factors at play.

    This episode was a bad episode period. The events that occurred make no rationale sense when evaluated, and as a parting shot, a tank firing rounds at the prison is likely to draw every walker in the area to the prison, again making the the mission of trying to take the prison from Rick’s group an utterly pointless endeavor.

    • I have to agree with you on all counts, as much as I like the show it is hard to give it a pass for things that others shows do that bug me. The three strays the Governor picked up may just be naive to the world because they were shut in the whole time, but Martinez not killing him made little to no sense. Now that he has found himself a new village of idiots it just really seems like they are adding all of these background characters to drag out a storyline that should be done.

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    • I couldn’t agree more! You pointed very valid plot holes and implausible story lines. The fall of the prison should have happened in season 3 final … the whole season was set up for this show down and it would have been plausible, since the Governor was so in rage to kill Michonne, Rick and all the others … so he didn’t care to destroy the fence and the secure place. And he had the Woodburry people convinced that Rick’s group are enemies and a threat. Now it all is totally implaubsible.

      The whole first half of season 4 (maybe with the exception of episode 4) was a waste of time … we just moved in a circle of constant repeating and stretching … and not till next episode (when the prison falls and the Governor dies) the show really moves on!

    • 1. Firstly, we’re re-treading a plot thread from the third season with the governor making his assault on the prison again. And the plot middle was apparently he didnt have the people or the power to take out the prison and all within. So if you fail kill off your dead weight and try again…. with a Tank. Plots can continue over multiple episodes and even when you think a plot is over it can come back.

      2. Secondly, you do not kill the brother of the man who owns and operates a tank that is literally parked next to what is effectively your home. Mitch and Pete were not close. It appears that they took two different paths through life even in the Military. The Gov noticed this and took a calculated guess. He was prepared to kill Mitch if need be.

      3. And finally, how on earth does he convince his new group to make what will likely prove to be a very costly assault on a group that they have no beef with? Quite easily. There was a walker in camp. So now he has proven (yes I believe he had the tank driver release the walker in camp) the camp is not safe. Add in that the other camp was destroyed by humans (I think The Gov did it)and you can make a very strong case that the people in the prison are bad guys, they wont let us in (im sure the Gov will ask nicely at first) so lets take it from them. Oh and they have a tank.

      The Governor is also a manipulator and plain bat poop crazy. He does not want the prison. He uses that excuse to further his desire to kill Rick, Michonne and anyone else connected to the group. To try and make sense of a crazy person is just… well crazy.

      It wasnt bad and you are trying to make rationale sense when the person making these decisions is not a rational person.

      • I can accept some of the points that you are making but the crux of your argument is wrong.

        You are essentially telling me that the governor is able to take calculated risks, a la possibly releasing a walker in the camp, killing Pete’s brother etc.. that make sense, but to not try to make rational sense of the futility of his assault on the prison.

        This is why this last episode was so flawed. You meticulously addressed all of my points with what would amount to the governor making rational thought out decisions, but then throw all that out the window by telling me not to try to make sense out of the futility of another assault on the prison which as you yourself admit makes no sense. So in other words you are not adhering to your own logic.

        • No im saying it makes sense to him. Im saying he is unrationale so he make those decisions that you I and others would not make.

          I mean why kill Martinez? Im thinking it is a decent place little light on food but the camp had promise. Ol Gov has one thing on his mind. Get the people at the prison. Martinez would not agree to that nor would the other brother.

          I would just just chaulk Woodbury up as a loss and do what I coild to live and make my surroundings a better place. Im sure you and a few others would too.

          That is being rationale. Something is wrong with Philip and his train of thought. That is all I am saying. He is not rationale and the things he does (which may work) are not what normal people would do.

          Again they may work…….letting the biter in the camp, killing the brother and Martinez…..butnit is nothing a sane person woukd do.

          • I still disagree and here are my reasons:

            1. The writers went through considerable effort over the past two episodes to show that the governor has adopted a new family, i.e. his new lover and Penny 2.0, and is acting out (in a twisted fashion) to provide them with greater security and safety. Returning to the prison will accomplish none of this.

            Firstly, no one at the prison will consider anything he offers or says due
            to the fact that he has proven himself to be completely unreliable.

            Two, an assault on the prison will needlessly diminish his group in
            numbers, and will destroy the prison as well.

            Third, Rick’s group will never surrender the prison due
            to the fact that he has proven himself to be completely unreliable.

            Now by your line of argument, you reason that he is acting in an irrational way that makes ‘sense’ to him by pressing on the prison again. I would agree to this, had the writers not PAINSTAKINGLY forced us to witness the adoption of his new family over the past two episodes. Even to an irrational individual, showing up at the prison is a move that only jeopardizes the safety of the new family he has effectively adopted.

            Now if you are going to tell me that this still makes ‘sense’ to his twisted mind, then I will ask you why the hell the writers effectively wasted our time over the past 2 episodes, by introducing his adoptive family and establishing his relationship to them, if the end result was always a prison attack?

            Firstly it appears we were handed a pointless red herring with the adoptive family, since they haven’t impacted his desire for revenge or his miscreant behavior in any way.

            Secondly they have effectively turned the governor into a Wile E Coyote type character at this point. He is being established as a figure who will blindly try to undertake increasingly reckless assaults on a group that he despises, learning nothing from his failures. I can accept this type of character in a Looney Tune show, but not a serious adult cable drama.

            • Nice said. I agree with the implausibility of a prison attack with the new group and his new family (would have been much more realistic at the end of season 3). The last two Governor episodes are just senseless and needless.

            • Exactly. Especially when the Governor will have to fight on a timetable. He needs to take the prison before walkers descend on his position, and before his group’s morale gives out.

              I bet the 2nd half of the season will be all about the siege of the prison. The season will end with the prison destroyed, the governor dead, and the remaining survivors having to flee..

              Even if the Governor’s reasoning makes sense to him, it doesn’t make sense for those following him

              • Please don’t evoke it!!! Sorry, but the outlook seeing a siege in the second half of this seasons – even just thinking about it – is so annoying … it would be definitely the tip of the iceberg for me to skip the show.

                BUT I’m pretty sure there will be NO SIEGE! At least not a long one … just one episode. Not only because I know the comic book, but also because Abraham and his group are on the casting list for this season. So we’ll see them in the second season! This means: the prison will fall in episode 8, this sunday and then Rick and his group are on the road again … and the story moves on.
                Hallelujah!!!

            • Yes I am. It is (was?) a story of overcoming something. The road Rick and The Gov took were side by side. Just doing things in different ways.

              Rick took a break and changed. (Ricktatorship) So we now see the Gov getting a break and a chance to change.

              It was not a red herring. It was can a leopard changes its spots?

              He is mentally unstable. Without proper treatment he can be Foghorn Leghorn and he still would not get better. To think he was going to be some nice guy after what we saw he was previously (head collecting, his daughter, fights to the death, back stabbing, gunning people down on a whim) is just plain silly.

              To me it would have been an injustice to make him something he is not. To create this ‘good guy’ we can now all trust and maybe he will throw himself in front of a walker for Rick type person….. That is Looney Tune.

              Was it nice to see him TRY….. yes as I find David Morrissey a fine actor.

              So yes it makes sense it made sense in the comics and It still makes sense in the TV show.

              What you wanted to see the Gov all happy with a family and such? Thats fairy tale world. That is not drama.

  25. I liked the parallel of the chess game and the opening talk. It created instant tension, it set up the chess game that unfolded over the next 40 minutes, and it served as a great segue into the unfortunate fall of Brian to the madman Phillip. RIP Brian, you were a “good” man for about a month (or an hour of show).

    I don’t understand the jeers, this is the best season yet! The show has finally managed to break free of the very long shadow that Frank Darabont cast. They’ve found a way to keep the suspense and the fear up while the characters are developed and the plot… well… it keeps on plotting. I mean come on, there aren’t any walkers in the well, no Sophia-gate, no more Andrea (thank god) – at this point the show is in top form! There isn’t a minute that goes by that I’m not chewing on fingernails or muttering “I KNEW IT!” to the screen in glorious plot-twist agony.

    It’s just my opinion, but The Walking Dead really suffers from the week-to-week TV format. This is a show that was BORN to binge-watch. If you go back and watch any of the past seasons on Netfix (yes I spelled it that way on purpose) without having to wait a damn week to see whats next, the show just hums on all cylinders.

    I’m sad that the writers didn’t explore a different take on the Gov/Rick Round Two though. I was secretly hoping Brian would stick around and somehow everyone would end up in the prison together before the crap hit the fan… But whatever… I just wonder who is going to get Lori’s bullet. Blondie? Maggie? Hersh? We’re going to lose some OG crew next week for sure, and if Tyrese volunteers to ‘head’ out on his own, well… Rick might be kickin himself for letting Carol lose in that coin toss. (no spoilers, just guessing)

    GREAT season!

  26. A few thoughts I had for season 4 so far…..

    I enjoy the slower pace that this franchise sets but think that this series should have focused more on the massive hoard that is building not too far away from the prison.

    I thought the jumping back to the governers pathetic state was great. I was hoping they would show him broken down but also think it’s way too soon for the Govener to return as the head honcho. They should have spread this out over several seasons. And made Morrissey more of a guest actor.

    I’m sure that this franchise is getting ready to let a few main characters go. If it’s Michonne or Hershal I will freak out!

  27. you just cant trust the S.O.B. I will be happy when Michonne chop the Governers head off I hate the Governer

  28. TWD will be up next week with mid season finale, and I’ll sure it’s going to blow your mind. Just don’t panic

  29. It was interesting to read all the comments on this episode before deciding to post my take on things. I read many very astute observations and valid points representing the “yays” and “nays” in regards to the episodes quality. I continue to stand by my belief that this season has been the best thus far and I consider myself fortunate because I am not judging the show’s quality based on how they have deviated from the various story arcs in the comics. I find that the medium of episodic television has allowed the creative team to open up the focus of the source material and the luxury to enrich the framework with deeper exploration of the characters and their journeys. What some call stretching I see as enhancing, what some find repetitive I find to be reinforcing. We don’t need to learn something new each time in order for something to enrich the development of a character. Characters are often deepened by being given what we know about them additional substance and clarity and by being reinforced. My criticism of this episode is one sure to send all the naysayers into a tizzie! For me, the governor going full psycho again happened way too quickly. His inner struggle to maintain the shreds of humanity he had regained was way too easily swept away. Ironically it was the very concern he had developed for his new “family” that brought about his flipswitch back to full out loony but for me it was a bit too quick and too pat. The episode had some very clever touches such as the walker Pete’s underwater destiny ( sort of a nod to the zombie head aquarium) and I know there is some who feel differently but I found the whole chess metaphor to be quite well written. Still I feel the writers blew it by cliff noting the governors brief journey toward redemption back to fullout insanity. I am looking forward to the midseason finale. One small misstep does not sink an entire season.