‘The Walking Dead’ Season 2 Finale Review

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What Happens Next: ‘The Walking Dead’ Season 3 Details Revealed

(This review contains MAJOR SPOILERS for the episode ‘Beside the Dying Fire’ and season 2 as a whole. Stop reading now if you haven’t seen the entire season.)

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What a difference a death makes. As occasionally entertaining as it was to have Shane (Jon Bernthal) around, watching him devolve into an ever-bigger threat toward Rick (Andrew Lincoln), his character was a lot like the walker Carl (Chandler Riggs) found at the edge of a creek: stuck. That metaphor of being stuck in the mud, and desperately trying to move on, pretty much sums up a great deal of The Walking Dead season 2.

Arguably, season 2 will be looked at as the swan song for Shane, whose downward spiral began with the killing of Otis, and perpetuated throughout the season with increasingly obsessive feelings toward Lori (Sarah Wayne Callies) and Carl, as well as a need to best Rick at every turn.

But at a certain point the season will be scrutinized for how well it lived up to the expectations set forth by the first season, the continued success of creator Robert Kirkman’s comic book series, and the knowledge that Frank Darabont, the primary creative force behind the series, would be gone half-way through. More than the issue of expectation and Darabont’s shocking dismissal, however, The Walking Dead has its own internal concerns wherein the writers seemed to be struggling to find the essence and personalities of the characters experiencing the ongoing zombie apocalypse.

It was with the last half of season 2 – arguably the last four episodes – where the writers succeeded in unshackling themselves from the intermittent monotony brought about by the serial nature of the show. Case in point: the issue of Randall, wherein the show allowed time to pass that wasn’t necessarily accounted for. This was a major success for what has been described fairly often as a slow, drawn out season. By telling some compelling, full stories in the confines of a single episode, while also hinting at the future of the season and series, these “season 2.5” episodes have breathed new life into this undead series.

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By and large, the events of the season’s finale, ‘Beside the Dying Fire,’ play into the idea of having a complete story arc contained within the runtime of a single episode. That’s not to say the episode didn’t leave plenty to speculate on, it certainly did, but those were glimpses of things to question and hold on to during the wait for season 3.

‘Beside the Dying Fire’ works primarily because it keeps the most unattractive part of the program, and its characters, on hold until after it has done the work needed to keep the audience enthralled and excited. To put it bluntly, a massive horde of walkers effectively keeps the survivors so busy they can’t spend an hour displaying how horrible or inconsistent (here’s looking at you Lori) their personalities can be. While the essence of any good story is conflict, a group of people actively working to irritate one another is not enough of a conflict to sustain a series that isn’t called Seinfeld. After taking the long way around, The Walking Dead seems to have realigned its priorities accordingly.

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This is evidenced by the fact that Carl didn’t see his father kill Shane, and by Rick not feeling entirely compelled to come clean to his son. By not immediately addressing Shane’s death, and instead getting straight into the walker killing, it acts as a turning point for the series, one where there is a time and place for bickering and discussion, and one where there is not. By having the walkers storm Hershel’s farm, the series is forced to progress and, hopefully, begin to better understand the motivations and reactions of its characters.

The calamity of the situation is as compelling as anything The Walking Dead has so far put on screen, and with the back-to-back deaths of Dale (Jeffrey DeMunn) and Shane, it’s nice to see the show hadn’t lost its stomach for further thinning of the proverbial herd. Jimmy (James Allen McCune) and Patricia (Jane McNeill) arguably had to depart, as their  roles in the series were never really established, and the passing of any recurring character quickly translates into the possibility of T-Dog (IronE Singleton) having something more to do than stand idly by in the background.

With their numbers depleted, ammunition scarce and the safety and security of Hershel’s farm completely jeopardized, the group separates and flees. Rick, Hershel (Scott Green) and Carl are the first to arrive back where this storyline began: the crowded highway on which the group lost Sophia. There is a moment where Rick seriously considers making a run for it with just Carl by his side, and had we not been shown the survival of the others, the scene may have worked out to be more substantial than it really was, But in the end we settle for Glenn (Steven Yuen) taking charge of his relationship with Maggie (Lauren Cohan), which welcomes a stronger presence from Glenn in future.

Once reunited, the group almost immediately decides to blow off Andrea (Laurie Holden) – perhaps proving the valuable lesson they all learned from Sophia’s zombification on the midseason finale.

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For someone so willing to punch her own ticket at the end of last season, Andrea fights tooth-and-nail to survive, and although she is overwhelmed with exhaustion and nearly consumed by a single walker, she is saved during the heavily speculated appearance of Michonne. Though we don’t see her face, or hear her speak, Michonne’s cameo will likely serve to be the highlight of the episode.

Meanwhile, Rick’s revelation that the zombie infection is universal – you die, you become a zombie, regardless of being bit or scratched by the undead – quickly returns the group to normal and his leadership is once more called into question. Granted, with this group, Rick could have revealed that he was in possession of the Colonel’s Secret Recipe and they likely would have reacted the same way.

Just to kick him while he’s down, Lori (Sarah Wayne Callies) responds negatively to Rick’s account of Shane’s death – despite a statement to the contrary that Lori made in ‘Triggerfinger.’ It’s hard to tell if Lori’s wildly inconsistent behavior is a result of miscommunication amongst the writers, or if the urging for her husband to kill Shane was secretly intended to end with Rick’s death instead. For now, we’ll have to assume the latter.

The season finale ends as it began, with a solid tease. The helicopter seen in the beginning of the episode was as intriguing (if not more so) than the glimpse of the prison standing a short distance from where the group had stopped for the night. And with that tease comes a clearer indication of what can be expected from season 3 (and beyond), which certainly works to end season 2 on a positive note.

In many ways, The Walking Dead season 2 worked as two separate seasons, the latter half being remarkably faster paced than the first. As Glen Mazzara is now firmly entrenched as the series’ showrunner, it seems reasonable to assume that the last four episodes will serve as a template for Mazzara’s run – however long that may be.

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  1. Well I guess now Rick realizes what he has to do to keep the most annoying group of people in the world safe. Be more like Shane.

    • Yea, that worked well for Shane, didn’t it? He should be more like the old Rick, not deteriorate to Shane’s level…

      • But kinda isn’t that the arch he will have to skirt, even his speech about not being a democracy shows that he’s changed, they tow the line or get cut loose . . he’ll do what he has to to protect his own . . even if they recoil from him for it. It’s not like they can wake up the next day and go back to work, school, and the status quo . . . its a deadly world with little to no safe haven and ugly death lurking inside of them if the withheld info of infection is to be believed.

  2. I think Laurie’s reaction to Rick at teh end was the most fascinating that b**** has ever been. I was rooting for her to bite the bullet (or get bit) all season long. And Carl, too. TV Carl is not the same great kid the Comic Book Carl is and that’s a shame. But back to Laurie: When she looked at Rick like that, you immediately saw something in her eyes that hadn’t been there, all 2-seasons long: an interesting character.

    My first reaction was: She’s been in love with Shane all along but was bound and committed to Rick and had to stay with him. If Shane had come back, I think she would’ve been happier. She sure wouldn’t have looked at Shane like that, would she? nope, she was playing both ends against the middle knowing one of them had to go. But she was secretly rooting for Shane.

    And Rick’s reaction was awesome, IMHO. He was confused for a sec, and then he got it. For a split second I thought he was gonna put a bullet in her. But now they’re stuck with each other.

    I’m glad Andrea finally took that journey (as annoying as it was) through the depression, suicide wishing and then anger and then resolving to be the survivor. Her actions in the finale proved 1) She came through all that crap and now she’s a fighter and 2) She’s gonna be a badass. Good, cuz I was rooting against her several short episodes ago.

    Carl, Carl, Carl. Time to man up or die. No excuses. Rick, if that little brat gives you one more second of lip or disobeys you one more time, backhand him through a wall. Child Services doesn’t exist anymore and it’s time for the kid gloves to come off. You made it clear that you are now the Man In Charge of the group. That goes double for your pathetic wife and brat.

    T-Dog, glad you got some lines. But the next time a white chick wants to jump out of your truck and go back to the zombies, LET HER GO. Seriously.

    Herschel, I’m glad you made it. I hope they do good things with you.

    No more melancholy, Glenn! Man up, take Maggie and ravish her and be the guy you started out as.

    When Michonne stood up, I had called it. I KNEW she was coming. And that intro was flat-out badass. I’m so glad they gave her the armless, jawless zombies! I actually stood and cheered. Next season is going to be OFF. THE. CHAIN.

    Now, bring on the Governor.

    • Next season I can say it will be a faster pace. The last 4 episodes are the reflection of the pace you shall see come season 3. The helicopter does play a role. What? I shall not say but for the comic readers it should be fairly obvious.

      • How do you already know what happens in season 3? I would love to knowe!!!

        • robert kirkman sad so on talking dead.

    • Absolutely about Lori. Shane the bad boy always had it over Rick the Good.

    • What is the purpose of having armless jawless zombies as pets? I’m not familiar with the comic?

      • Dear friend,
        The question you should be asking yourself is why not?!? Just teasing. I am not familiar with the comics either (didn’t knew of their existence until my son told me about them) but think for a moment of what their purpose could be. Camouflage perhaps? Undoubtedly, their purpose and function shall be revealed at a later date and time. Hope you can survive until then! Best of luck and wishes;-)

        • She uses them to mask her scent while traveling (better version of Rick covering himself in zombie guts in season 1). Their jaws were also removed.

      • He uses them as cover so the walkers smell the dead, and they think he’s a walker as well.

        • If walkers hunt by smell, why do they blindly walk past the living if you just hide behind/or under a car? That makes no sense!

          • Perhaps it is because they are standing or hiding down wind? (man, imagine how bad it would be if the zombie farted upwind you and your hiding spot, make me gag for sure;-)

            Not saying that is the only sense they use and probably rendure a guess that it would be sight and sound that they mostly relied upon to “hunt” as you put it. Zombies are called zombies for a reason. They do not posses the capacity to comprehend or to process very well. Could you smell your prey if you were hunting? I would guess that you would rely upon mostly sight and sound first and MAYBE, then if you were close enough and had a reason to smell, then you might be able to do so. I dunno but seems like if one were to use a little bit of logic, and apply it correctly, then questions like these do not appear to be questions at all.

            • Sorry, that still doesn’t work. During filming of the scene at the barn it was so cold that the actors playing zombies had there breath showing because of condensation. They digitally removed the condensation because zombies do not breath, therefor they also could not smell the living!

              • Hummmm, that’s an interesting point. If you aren’t actively breathing you don’t really smell.

                Of course I see no reason why they can’t breathe out of base brain reflex, not that it does them much good but…..

                Yeah so many little inconsistencies that don’t seem to have been fully thought out.

                • Why can’t it be possible? We are all thinking of this as rational people. Dead people are walking… I think we should throw rational thought out the window when it comes to normal body functions. No one really knows how a zombie works. Maybe its some other sense that we aren’t aware of that makes them aware of the living.

                • Well there are other reasons for breathing other than getting air in your lungs to keep you alive, you actually need to breath in to communicate.

                  Getting airflow over the vocal chord’s is how you make sound, the walker’s do make sounds, even if they are just moans and groans.

                  So if it were cold you wouldn’t necessarily see condensation, being dead they wouldn’t generate any heat. But I have no problem with them breathing as they make sounds.

              • Interesting point, and yet it does provide some conflict because an earlier episode made a point about them smelling the living as to the whole reason they bathed themselves in zombie guts. So it will be interesting to see how the writers answer that challenge.

                • i dont care smell or not the wife needs to go cheeting slut and cant stand ricks punk son carl and im sick of glens freezing up man up boy daryl should get together with o girl who daughter died and rick keep it up u the man

                  • Wow, you put that so eloquently.

                • You know it occurred to me that perhaps a more sensible reason they should have stated for CGIng the zombies breath is that because they are already dead that their bodies would not sustain a body temperature that would be hot enough to produce the effect of seeing ones breath from the air temperature being cooler than the exhaled air. I admidt that I am bothered by the week explanation given during the talking dead show to explain why they washed out their breaths. I suppose another problem it gives then if they don’t breathe, then why the need to feed? I know, the next zombie that comes across, we have it autopsied to give us the answers, that way we’ll know for sure! In any sense I suppose that it just goes to show…that it is just a show, and not all is or will be perfect. And that my friend is why they call them liberties.

                  • My thoughts, the Walkers are already dead, therefore not not blooded, son no visible breath on a cold day. I also figure what breathing the Walkers do is more automatic for they did it in their active lives. No need to breath, they just do for their former selves did, and the benefit is they can catch scents of the living.

                    • Wow… okay, this is a fictional show. Zombies wouldn’t breathe so they couldn’t smell??? What???!!!! It always makes me laugh when people complain that something that happens in a Zombie Apocalypse wouldn’t happen in real life. Holy sh8t.

                      The writers have already addressed the “smell” issue. It’s not that precise. They don’t have the scent of a dog or anything… it’s only a small part of what helps them find the food. They aren’t led by their noses. They will pick up on a scent that is different but it’s not like smelling bacon cooking in the kitchen. They are mindless walking dead people, they don’t try to smell anything… if they catch something and notice it maybe they’ll check it out… otherwise, they are mindless dead people (did I mention that yet?) just meandering the country side. When something catches their attention they’ll follow it.

                    • I really have no problem with the walkers breathing, the real problem is having no logical reasoning in the story line. You can’t simply make it up as you go and then say that a illogical plot point works just because they are zombies! Whatever world your characters inhabit there have to be consistent rules for their actions, otherwise you begin to loose your viewers as you create ever wilder explanations for your storyline!

                  • Seems to me the most likely reason for CGIing out the breath was simply that it’s supposed to be late summer in Georgia, a time when breath-clouds shouldn’t be seen on either the living OR the dead. They removed those clouds from everybody in the scene, not just the zombies.

                    • If you watch the following program “Talking Dead” they say they removed the condensed breath from the zombies because they are dead and don’t breath!

                    • (replying to my own post since it appears the reply tier only goes 3 deep) @jerry, I know what they said in the follow-up show but I disagree with it – not that I think it was a deliberate lie, just maybe the most plausible explanation that popped into their heads at the time. We did not see clouds of breath from anybody so they obviously had to have removed it from all on-screen characters given the weather conditions not matching the storyline’s time of year.

                      Whether zombies breathe or not really had nothing to do with the decision to apply CGI cleanup, but for sake of argument I say that they do indeed “breathe” – it’s pretty hard to make all those ungodly sounds without the assistance of at least a small amount of airflow! Too, breathing is an instinctive function and would fit right in with the rest of their behavior as zombies.

                    • I think you have made my point, inconsistency in the writing is THE problem here. They (the zombies) can’t breath yet the can smell and make noises! The basic problem is the writers are dealing with a fantasy creature and now have to supply logical reasoning for how they act! Not creating a set of rules before you write a fantasy is just sloppy writing!

                    • I’m reposting what I wrote a little earlier. We are all thinking of this as rational people. Dead people are walking… I think we should throw rational thought out the window when it comes to normal body functions. No one really knows how a zombie works.

    • Man, you rock! Your comment has me cracking up

    • One more thing about Lorie and Rick. Rick needs to straighten her out about her lack of parenting skills. How many times she was suppose to watch Carl, and that boy disappeared like a fart in the wind. In fact Lorie almost had a Sophia moment due to fact she cant keep a leash on that boy.

      • What about Rick’s parenting skills. It’s good he is not beating the kid senseless, but on the other hand, he is not controlling Carl either. When it come to keeping Carl truly safe, both Lori and Rick are failing, for Carl gets out and they won’t talk to each other about what to do.

    • Oh, wondered who you were talking about when you said Laurie! Thought is was a character I’d somehow missed ! You actually meant LORI!

  3. Some people might have been turned off because someone showed up with a sword, and now think things are getting away from the realism the show was pulling off so well for a zombie apocalypse. For these people who can’t stand movies, stories or shows of this kind trust me it stays true to the characters and their interactions in a world that no longer exist. There are reasons this character that showed up in the finale had a sword and 2 zombies in tow. Not just because it will be cool to have a ass kicking, karate master in the story. Trust me she is no shaolin monk just someone who figured out this is not Kansas anymore real quick and adjusted accordingly. The person could be anybody. Your brother, sister, or neighbor who figured out how to stay alive without being lunch.

    What you guys need to understand is Rick’s group (and im not gonna reveal any spoilers being someone that keeps up with the comic) will go through some pretty jacked up stuff. So if you think somebody with a samurai sword is an issue and the story is going off track then you won’t be able to handle the future story lines which will be a chaotic, hectic, sick, heart wrenching, soul prying, hair pulling, roller coaster that will have you wonder how are these people still sane? If the show stays true to the comic some key characters do start to go slowly insane. Just remember people, this is a world that no longer has what we take for granted. People start to loose their humanity and Succumb to their primal animalistic behavior. Rick and company are probably the only group that try to keep themselves to the way human beings should treat each other and trust me, where the comic is now they are a shells of their former selves.

    So if a person with a samurai sword shows up with two zombies in tow turns you off, be my guess tune out and watch other shows like breaking bad and mad men. I watch these shows too (love them by the way) and none of them can hold a candle to the drama that the walking dead will dish out if it stays true to the source and that person with the samurai sword won’t seem so out of place in a world that has completely flipped up side down.

    • I agree. I love Mad Men and BB but this show outright provides more of a entertainment value then that other 2 have. To me, I view MM as a more thought out verison of Entourage which is saying that the show is great, but it doesn’t have what TWD has which is the “wow” factor.

      • No WAY is Walking Dead better than Breaking Bad. I think people are forgetting how inconsistent Walking Dead is when it comes to character and pacing. That said, it’s definitely a great show (and if the last 2 episodes are any indication, it’s only going to get better); just not Breaking Bad great. Haven’t seen Mad Men.

        • Yes JRM I totally agree with you 100% that this is no breaking bad at all. Im a livid breaking bad fan and no show touches it and im slightly going nuts for the season to start. But as I posted before if the walking dead stays true to it’s source it will surpass breaking bad in future seasons because sh#% is about to hit the fan. You know on breaking bad how after every great episode you think “How on earth can they top this?” But the breaking bad writers manage to pull it off every time? Im hoping the writers on the walking dead does the same thing of course if thy stay true to the source

  4. The season finale was truly epic season 3 get here now !!!!!! :)

  5. I have a website for any non-comics reader who gets confused by this show or has questions that have yet to be answered. If you really want to know the details before they are revealed, go to this website:

    http://walkingdead.wikia.com

    • Interesting reading. Thanks for the link.

  6. holy crap… if this is the pace for season 3 then damm so cant wait that short glimpse of michonne and the prison was sick!!

  7. I believe Lori’s look of horror was at the knowledge that Carl had killed Shane. Shane had been like a father to Carl. Shooting your “parental unit” would be very traumatic. Lori knows that Carl will suffer for that. She might have thought that Rick deliberately had Carl kill Shane, as a payback to Lori.

    • I thought the same thing as Genevieve! It didn’t occur to me that Lori wanted Shane back instead of Rick. It seemed she was horrified that Rick willingly killed a man, when he tried so hard not to. Randall’s a good example of how Rick values life and tried all the alternatives as oppose to killing him. Then there’s also the fact that Carl shot a “man.”

      Rick’s change in attitude seem to stem from the way that Lori couldn’t accept that fact that he had no choice but to kill Shane. I think the whole thing is very unfair for both of them. Rick had to protect himself, and Lori had a right to be upset at Rick’s internal deterioration that allowed him to commit the act. And the final blow is that her baby shot a man. I believe that Carl shooting any man would’ve been upsetting to her.

      Of course, if Lori is really wishing for the return of Shane as oppose Rick…. that’s much more juicy.

  8. Finally, what looked like a max security prison in the background – my choice of where to head when it hits the fan. I know, it still would have its own set of problems, but I could not think of any place else that would be worth fighting for. Once inside would be impregnable by any of the dead heads, thinkers on the other hand, would be a different issue. A question that has been bugging me since the start – these people keep passing army posts and overrun strongholds without checking them for weapons. One grenade could turn several walkers into ankle biters very quick. Or attached to a string, could get them moving in the opposite direction – from what I have seen.

  9. Lori is the worst wife. She should be killed and used for bait.

    At dirst I thought the look she gave was b/c Rick had let Carl become a killer. A thing she did not want for her som ni matter how bad the world became. Later it became evident that she actually loved Shane possibly more than Rick. Tar and feather that hoe!!

    • She’s not much of a mother either, how many times did Carl wander off in the last few episodes? Like I said in another post, Rick should have let Shane take Lori, Carl and Andrea and they could have played house before they all got eaten. They are/were all liabilities at one point or another, and now that Shane is gone Lori is just going to still be the same d-bag she always was.

      Like I said in another post, when I was watching season one again I noticed her tell Rick that Carl wouldn’t wake up when they were getting it on in the tent, which meant her and Shane were banging right under the kids nose the whole time. I know it’s a zombie apocalypse and all, but they did it out in the woods other times, they just couldn’t control themselves I guess. Rick needs to open his eyes to the fact his so-called best friend was a piece of crap and so is his wife, Carl might be salvaged if he takes the cotton out of his ears and stuffs it in his mouth and learns to do things the right way.

      • @Slayer

        Man i didnt even peep that “carl wont wake up” line. Shame on her. Shame!

        I think Carl is on the verge of secretly/slowly becoming a fan favorite in season 3. Now that he has his first kill and Sophia is dead, I think he is gonna become a bad a** in the next season. Its gonna be a slow character development but i see him becoming an amaglam of Shane & Rick. Rick’s calmness with Shane’s violent side making him a decisive cold blooded killer.

  10. Wow! Thanks for all your replies everyone. At the very least its nice to know people can share strong opinions with each other and not resort to name calling like other sites. I appreciate that.

    I’m very up to date with the comic and the stories, I know the origins of the character and the whole deal with the swords. My favorite thing about the show is the differences in the characters from the books and the different avenues they are taking. And I know that yes, it was a 2 second cameo, but I’m sorry, it was cheesy. No other character had a grand build up or giant musical que. And doing it in season finale is, to me, just completely indicative that THIS character, is now going to be the focus, which somewhat negates the previous seasons’ events.

    And yes, I feel they ARE telling us what to think. Did you see Kirkman on talking dead? They made sure to keep bringing back to that. Talking about it, the poll, the reveal of the actress. He practically had a hard on the entire time. He loves this character, he’s too attached, so of course it makes sense, given all the talk and big reveal, that THAT is where the show is headed. Cause you KNOW he won’t ever let her die. Or change her personality from the comic at all.

    And yes, though a zombie show, there is an element of realism that I enjoy. They are all flawed people. And then out of nowhere comes this character out of a fantasy novel. It negated the realism. Even if I didn’t know who it was it felt too “magic” I half expect her to say “I’m batman”. And I feel that if they make her the supreme yodaesque badass it will ruin the flow of the show.

    My opinions only. I don’t like that character in the comic, but it works with the medium. Given what I’ve seen so far I doubt I will like the comic character transopsed to the series.

    • I must have missed the magical part of her introduction. Did she use some potion or spell to kill the zombies? All I saw was a mysterious person save Andrea’s butt with a sword. All real items from my perspective. The only magic that I’ve noticed in the show is how everyone seems to be able to get off clean head shots (be it bouncing around in a speeding vehicle on an unpaved surface) including a ten year old boy with hardly any training at all! While this is trivial, it is somewhat bothersome to me for I know not very many people could pull off these types of fantastic shots (reminds me of Lee Harvey Oswald). Who knows, perhaps it’s the same virus that causes reanimation allows the the ability to shoot better than an expert marksmen. I think perhaps her intro might address the foreshadowing brought about with them running out of ammo and needing to find more effective (more realistic) ways to dispose of the walkers. Thus, alleviating my discomfort.

    • first I respect your opinion , but I would have to disagree and as being a fan of the comics as well as the show, I think its very important that we have a character like Michonne coming into this season. First, Rick needs back up and that is going to come in the form of Michonne and hopefully Andreas return to the group. Rick needs soliders Michonne Andrea, Daryl and Glen are those soliders. The group has been tainted by the troubles that the group has had to endure, they need a character that is going to come in as a loner and show them there are way to survive and this is how we are going to do it. SPOILERS Plus, Rick is showing signs of losing himself which if you have read the books happens, BUT HE IS ABLE TO PULL BACK THE REIGNS, cause he is a good man. Michonne is more like the constant that the group needs going forward into the next season. That all said nothing from the comics matter, they have quiet frequently have proven that they enjoy departing from the books, which is great because it leaves the fan boys looking for clues as to what will happen next. I will say that the biggest disappointment of season two is the developement of Carls character which , I love from the books. I really think they are taking to long to develope him into the kid in the books, because of all the characters in the books he is truly the most intresting , I also hated they killed sophia off, she was a driving force in developing Carls character and her absence going into the prison is going to be sorely missed. IMO. What Happens When the Zombies are Not the Biggest Problem the Survivors have to Face. What Happens when its your Fellow Man!!!!!!! BRING ON SEASON 3

  11. Wow! Thanks for all your replies everyone. At the very least its nice to know people can share strong opinions with each other and not resort to name calling like other sites. I appreciate that.

    I’m very up to date with the comic and the stories, I know the origins of the character and the whole deal with the swords. My favorite thing about the show is the differences in the characters from the books and the different avenues they are taking. And I know that yes, it was a 2 second cameo, but I’m sorry, it was cheesy. No other character had a grand build up or giant musical que. And doing it in season finale is, to me, just completely indicative that THIS character, is now going to be the focus, which somewhat negates the previous seasons’ events.

    And yes, I feel they ARE telling us what to think. Did you see Kirkman on talking dead? They made sure to keep bringing back to that. Talking about it, the poll, the reveal of the actress. He practically had a hard on the entire time. He loves this character, he’s too attached, so of course it makes sense, given all the talk and big reveal, that THAT is where the show is headed. Cause you KNOW he won’t ever let her die. Or change her personality from the comic at all.

    And yes, though a zombie show, there is an element of realism that I enjoy. They are all flawed people. And then out of nowhere comes this character out of a fantasy novel. It negated the realism. Even if I didn’t know who it was it felt too “magic” I half expect her to say “I’m batman”. And I feel that if they make her the supreme yodaesque badass it will ruin the flow of the show.

    My opinions only. I don’t like that character in the comic, but it works with the medium. Given what I’ve seen so far I doubt I will like the comic character transopsed to the series.

    Also, I think laurie holden is good looking, brutal is a bit harsh, she looks good for the end of the world

  12. i didnt read the comics so i dont know much about this new hooded character but reading these comments i’ve seen there are alot of people who just dont have basic logic skills. remember in season 1 when rick and a couple others covered their body in walker blood? then walked straight through a herd of walkers? well what do you think her chained up pets are for? the same damn thing, it probably allows her to move freely..or atleast more so than anyone else would. and in a world where supplies are scarce, a sword makes perfect sense as a weapon. the group even make mention multiple times of having to conserve ammo and go for knife kills whenever they can. so obviously this woman found a sword somewhere, you would be an idiot to not keep it with you at all times in a situation like that

  13. I was so caught up in the episode that I totally forgot that it was the season finale.

    The occassional deaths of the characters that didn’t really have any importance to the show didn’t really surprise me. I thought it was great how everything played out for Andrea seeing as she was so gun hoe on killing herself in the 1st season. I must say, the nameless character that saved her was pretty dope! The whole zombies as accessories with the samurai sword was awesome. Probably someone who really shouldn’t be messed with. I am curious to see if Andrea is going to turn on the group now though.

    Poor Rick just can’t catch a break. As much as I was kind of behind Lori, she definitely showed her true colors in this last episode. I was shocked because I thought that she would be happy about him killing Shane because of her whole little speech with shane in the previous episode.

    Season 3 is hopefully going to be amazing. I keep telling myself to check out the actual graphic novels.

  14. Exciting episode, loved the unknown character and how bad ass was Andrea on taking it gangster on those zombies by herself. I`m imagining how bizarre Season 3 will be with the prison close to there spot…cant wait !

  15. So what is that place in the distance? Very few posts about that. Ideas? It seemed the helicopter led the walkers off toward the farm as they headed for the distant prison, compound? The farm just got in the way. Diverting yumm yumms there! Waiting to see what that is all about.

    • It’s the much talked about prison that the survivors have been edging towards.

    • I think Lori had her moments of being attracted to Shane. Remember that flashback where she was talking about the fact that Rick never yelled at her no matter what and how that annoyed her? Excessive calm is rarely a problem with Shane. She didn’t love the guy though. Her reaction was not to the news of his death but to the confession where Rick shares entirely too much information.
      Except of course for the part about Carl. He should’ve explained to her that Shane got up while his back was turned and only the boy’s quick action saved his ass. When Rick said Carl put him down, it almost sounds like he handed the poor kid a gun and made him do it just to toughen him up.
      The other thing on Lori’s mind is her baby. They haven’t seen anyone give birth since the collapse of civilization. If smoking or drinking harms a fetus, what kind of f’d-up side effects might you get from a parasite that animates the dead? Imagine what a miscarriage would be like in the post-zombie world. The baby stops kicking and is quiet for a while. Then it starts moving around again, won’t stop, and … damn that hurts! Feels less like kicking and more like getting stabbed. Or bitten.

  16. Random thoughts as I watch the show:

    –The last half of the season has been so good that I’m camped in front of my TV with the Tivo paused because I don’t want to initiate the beginning of the end. I will miss this show, maddening though it and its characters have been.
    –After reading various theories about how Randall and the cops ended up walkers, I thought about transmission of the walker virus in the week before the finale. First I thought that maybe the virus is transmitted by scratch, or even simple touch, rather than a deep bite. It might’ve taken longer to discover this in the early days of the walker mayhem because surely the horror and gore of dead humans chowing on other humans would occupy one’s attention to the exclusion of a more subtle transmission. Or maybe the virus started out being transmitted only by bite, but had mutated to enable transmission by scratch or touch. Perhaps the CDC guy knew that and whispered it to Rick. Then, based on others’ comments, I thought it could be even worse. The virus could be airborne, like the pneumonic plague, but with a higher transmission rate, and could end up infecting everyone. So you could become a carrier by catching the airborne virus, and then become a walker when you die — even if no walkers bite, scratch, or touch you. Or you could become a walker if you didn’t have the airborne virus, but were bitten (or maybe scratched or touched) by a walker. The airborne theory is chilling. The CDC guy could’ve simply whispered to Rick, “everyone has it,” or “it’s airborne,” or something equally short and tragic.
    –And…here we go. Nice to see a city setting for a change, after a season of farms and small towns.
    –0:01 – Walkers would not be good babysitters. “Look, shiny!” All it takes is a helicopter overhead to rip them away from a flesh feast. Seeing as how their raison d’etre is flesh feasting, would they really have left a heaping spread like that just to follow a helicopter?
    –Hey. A helicopter. Someone, somewhere, is flying a helicopter. We receive scant data about other survivors, so this is interesting. Assuming that Randall’s party doesn’t have a helicopter, I think the extent of survivors known to the audience are the farm group, Randall’s Coven of Rape and Mayhem, and the occupants of the helicopter.
    –The parade of walkers on the street and through the night is fearsome. It’s been awhile since we’ve seen hundreds and hundreds of walkers. We are reminded of the new world.
    –0:03 – And we’re being dropped right back in the thick of it, seeing how the walker convention ended up so close to the gunshot. They were ready to bypass the farm but for the gunshot. Let’s break that down.
    –Carl shot the gun. But the shot saved Rick because Annie Oakley’s younger brother downed Walker Shane (right over Rick’s shoulder, right between the eyes, but whatever; roll with it). So maybe this decreases some of the blame I’d like to heap on Carl because maybe the shot that attracted the walkers was necessary to save Rick. Or maybe not. The only reason Rick was at risk for being attacked by Shane, facing away from Shane, was that nobody in that cotton-picking house watches Carl, and Carl unexpectedly showed up as/after Rick killed Shane. Based on the depiction of Rick’s grief and helplessness after killing Shane, I think it’s unlikely he would’ve stood up and begun walking away from Shane before Shane turned. Rick probably would’ve still been sobbing or pounding the ground near Shane, coming to terms with what he did, and thinking about how to tell the group about it. He still would’ve been next to Shane when Shane turned, and could’ve killed him with a knife to the head as we’ve seen zillion times. No gunshot. No walker horde. But no. Carl came on the scene, and Rick jumped up immediately and walked toward him, away from Shane, now distraught and preoccupied that his son saw this horrific action. Thus, Carl’s presence was the reason that Rick walked away from Shane and exposed himself to attack by Walker Shane from behind. Thus, it was only because of Carl’s presence that a gunshot was necessary to down Walker Shane. No Carl, no gunshot, no walkers. Makes one reminisce about Carl and Dale…
    –Query whether Carl really aimed for Shane, and not Rick, in the first place.
    –Those walkers sure are stealthy. No one ever seems to hear them.
    –0:04 — Oooh, sepia. The whole group is in the living room. Lori is having a meltdown about Rick and Shane. BUT NOBODY NOTICES CARL IS GONE?! Where the hell is Post-Apocalypse Child Protective Services? Show after show after show – no one watches that goldurned kid!
    –Daryl corroborates the story Rick will tell. Shane didn’t stumble upon Randall; the two were together. Good to get that out there early, and for Lori to hear it. Because I can imagine she’ll freak out when she hears the news. “Poor Shane is daid…”
    –Rick and Carl walking. So quiet and sedate. Father and son heart-to-heart. The calm before the storm.
    Great job showing us distant glimpses of the walkers trailing Carl and Rick during their talk.
    –”A herd that size will rip the house down.”
    –OK, so the first split is Rick and Carl in the barn, the rest in the house.
    –Lori noticed Carl was gone. Mom of the Year.
    –Barn conflagration – good idea.
    –Now Daryl on a motorcycle, alone. Maggie and Glenn in a truck. T-Dog and Andrea in another truck.
    Hershel’s son/son-in-law got it in the RV, trying to rescue Rick and Carl (although he and Daryl thought it was Rick and Shane).
    –This can’t end well.
    –New theme park idea: Zombie Paintball. You’re dropped into a zombie apocalypse on a farm or other large moonpocked setting. You’re in the back of a truck or passenger seat of a car, being driven around willy nilly, fast, fun, and stressful, armored up, taking out hordes of attacking zombies. Yep, this is what pops into the mind of someone who thinks what Andrea and Glenn are doing looks like a ton-o-fun.
    –Andrea summed it up pretty well: ammo will be gone before they make a dent in the horde numbers.
    –0:17 – At long last, Hershel gets to live out his lifelong Clint Eastwood fantasy. With apparently unlimited ammo. FFS.
    –Storylines come full circle as Carol tries to convince Lori to leave the house without Carl.
    –Hershel doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere. It’ll piss me off if he dies b/c he refuses to leave. He needs to understand his crucial role as the only medical professional in the group, and that he’s choosing to protect his homestead over his children. Family without homestead is still worth having; but homestead without family, or homestead dead? Not so much.
    –The older sister gets it. Although with how slow the walkers shamble, it seemed like she was attacked rather quickly.
    –How did Carol end up by herself? I thought all the ladies left the house as a group. Andrea tries to save her. Lori and T-Dog wait for them in the truck, but drive away when too many walkers pounce. Lots of hard decisions being made here.
    –Glenn exhorts Maggie to leave the farm in their truck. She doesn’t want to leave everyone else behind, but he says, “it’s lost!” Bleak.
    –Hershel finally backed away from his approaching walkers, almost into the clutches of a walker behind him. Rick saved the moment. (I almost said “Rick saved the day,” but that seemed a tad too optimistic.)
    –”It’s my farm!” “Not anymore.”
    –Rick, Hershel, and Carl drove off. Andrea runs after them, left behind. I was sure she was going to turn around to a walker in her face, toast, but she finds a backpack and runs off.
    –Daryl escaped on his motorcycle, watching the burning barn, alone. Beautifully filmed. Screams, and he rode to save Carol. “Come on, I haven’t got all day.” Ha. A little too perfect that Daryl saves Carol after she’s been trying to save him for episodes now?
    –Rick, Carl, and Hershel. Maggie and Glenn. Lori and T-Dog (and suicidal sister Beth?). Daryl and Carol. Andrea. Hershel’s older daughter and the other dude, the two who said almost zilch all season, bit it. Interesting groupings of people.
    –With how dry it’s been, how is that burning barn NOT going to set the whole countryside on fire?
    –That all happened only 23 minutes in.
    –Daryl and Carol ride in the dark through broken down cars and groups of walkers. The sky looks like it’s still light out. Maggie and Glenn driving alone. In what looks like early afternoon. Odd since the gunshot scene with Rick and Shane was ostensibly at night, in the dark. I know you’ve gotta film when you can, but multiple times this season the time of day is inaccurate or illogical in scenes given what’s preceded them. Time of day and lighting is a main storytelling marker for the audience, indicating passage of time, so it’s frustrating and confusing when they don’t make sense.
    –Glenn is being Maggie’s rock. Oh, great, his belated declaration of love for her has got to foreshadow her death. Or something bad. (Later: Or not. Cements them as a pair, though, two for the price of one.)
    –Rick, Carl, and Hershel – really, you’re going to park the Suburban in a space surrounded by other cars, when there are more open spaces nearby? You don’t want to leave yourself a quick, open escape route if you need to jump back in and drive off in a hurry? THINK, PEOPLE.
    –And now apparently it’s daytime again. So are we to assume that the filming f***** up, and this is still only within an hour after the attack on the farm? Or did they spend the night in the car, and this is the next day?
    –Good point, Rick. “Where? Where’s safe?”
    –Hershel’s greatest line, bar none: “When Christ promised a resurrection of the dead, I just thought he had…a little something different in mind.” Nope, Hershel, this was Christ’s plan all along. Bitchy, eh?
    –T-Dog is holding strong to his plan. No going back to the highway. He’s going east. Everyone else is on their own. I think that was the most we’ve seen him speak in ages!
    –Nice touch with the front of T-Dog’s truck covered with blood. But that truck is OLD. Do we really make our u-turn at high speed in a ditch? That thing might collapse.
    –Hershel struck home with his assertion that Rick’s only role, according to one unaltered rule of the universe, is to keep his son alive.
    –Rick began to tell Carl that they had to leave without Lori. Carl knew what was coming. Then the rest of them drove up, including Lori. The reunions were great, but now Carl knows that Rick was going to leave his mom behind, and will probably learn that his mom was willing to walk alone to find Carl and Rick. Are we moving towards an irrevocable split b/t Carl and Rick? Carl has the fresh memory of Shane’s death, and still has questions about Rick’s role in that. So the unimplemented decision to leave without Lori is more fuel to add to Carl’s disillusionment.
    –Daryl throws in a racist joke for good measure because, well, he’s Daryl.
    –T-Dog said they saw Andrea go down. I must’ve missed that. Maybe it was shown as silhouette against the burning barn, as so much of the attack scene was. It was difficult to discern walker from human in those scenes.
    I don’t think Andrea is gone, though. They would’ve milked a zombie gore-fest on a regular like her if that’s how she’s to go. Rick’s probably right, though. She’s dead or she’s somewhere else. There’s not really a reason to go back to the farm for her.
    –Andrea must be exhausted. She’s a trooper. Especially for someone who wanted to kill herself.
    –Rick’s face when hearing that Randall turned without being bitten: priceless.
    –Tense group discussion when Rick pulls everyone over b/c he’s low on fuel. No one has a great idea about what to do, but no one seems too keen on Rick’s idea either. Glenn and Maggie want to get fuel and bring it back. Good idea. Rick doesn’t want anyone separating again b/c then the group could be stranded w/o a car. Good point. Glenn says they’re stranded as it is already, and there are walkers everywhere. Good counterpoint. Unspoken through all of this is the fact that they have no food and almost no supplies or ammo compared to the cushy farm.
    –Oh, it’s on. Truths are flying. Daryl: Shane killed Randall. Lori: So Randall got turned because the herd got him first? Rick: maniacal laugh. Not really. Long silence. “We’re all infected.” OH, SNAP. That’s the sound of every single character’s head whipping to Rick. Laser beam eyes. T-Dog. Lori. Hershel. Daryl. Glenn. Even Beth. Carol. Maggie. Disbelieving, pukey, rageful. Carol asks, in shock, “and you neve said anything?” Glenn’s eyes have not left Rick’s face, and he looks like he wants to kill him. Glenn squealed about the walkers in the barn for the good of everyone, and is apoplectic that Rick didn’t do the same thing with his knowledge.
    –Rick: “I thought it best that people didn’t know.” Staredown. His face is challenging and pugnacious. Is it because he has a guilty conscience for keeping it hidden, or because his judgment and authority are being questioned?
    –MORE truths: Rick to Lori: “I killed Shane.” Told Lori Shane’s plan to lead him to the field to kill him, and all the chances he gave him to change his mind. Great filming to show us Rick and Lori’s faces simultaneously during this conversation, Lori at Rick’s back. Lori knows exactly why Shane planned to kill Rick. Her expressions were great storytelling here. She was horrified that Carl “put down” Shane. That took her breath away.
    But why did she flinch from Rick, and seemingly turn on him now? Based on her past unflagging support for him, I don’t know what he told her that would make her do that now. She all but asked Rick to off Shane a few episodes ago; she knew he was dangerous. Is this guilt because she knows it was her talk with Shane that set him down the path to kill Rick? Guilt because she knows Carl as out there because she wasn’t watching him? Or is she truly horrified that Rick killed Shane to protect himself and her? I thought he made a good argument that it was self-defense, but maybe Lori didn’t take it that way.
    –I re-watched it, and her face really changed, and she backed away a bit more, when Rick said about Shane, “he planned it. I had no choice.”
    –Ok, wow, on re-watching, it sounds like Rick said he knew early on what Shane was planning during the search, and could’ve stopped it. But he didn’t. He kept letting Shane lead him further away because he wanted it over. Shane pushed him, and Rick let him. He wanted Shane to stop dogging him, acting like Rick stole Lori and Carl, like he was in the way. “I just wanted it over. I wanted him dead.” I wonder if Rick would’ve let Shane live if Shane changed his mind at the end. Or if he’d gotten too far down the path on that search of deciding he wanted Shane dead. I think it seemed pretty clear last episode that Shane was in fact going to kill Rick, right up until Rick killed him. But it’s jarring to hear Rick admit he engaged in almost as much pre-meditation as Shane did. One could argue Rick’s killing of Shane was more justifiable than Shane’s planned murder of Rick. And Shane had clearly lost it. But still.
    –Lori was willing to stand by Rick if his decision was to kill Randall because Randall was a danger to the group, but she appears unwilling to stand by Rick when he decided to kill Shane because of his threat to the group.
    –Apparently Randall Flagg saved Andrea. Towing two walkers with no arms, in chains! Quite an image!
    –Where is Carol’s new attitude coming from? Last episode she wanted to be left out of any group decisionmaking on a difficult issue (killing Randall), and now she’s speaking against Rick and suggesting Daryl goes it alone? Calling him a henchman and herself a burden? WTF? I like Daryl’s smiling retort, “nah, Rick’s done all right by me.”
    –Maggie wants to leave. Small pockets want to split apart from the larger sitting duck encamped by the fire.
    –Carol couldn’t be any more useless or whiny. “Well, do something!” Really? That’s what you offer here? Rick’s bottled up fury and helplessness all comes out now.
    –”I didn’t ask for this! I killed my best friend for you people, for Christ’s sake.” THAT got some incredulous stares. And sobs from Carl. Yeah, Carl might be irretrievably lost.
    –”My hands are clean.” But your conscience is not.
    –”If you’re staying, this isn’t a democracy anymore.” It never was; you just acted like it. Shane was always the wrench in those plans. But now Rick’s not going to even act like he cares what everyone else thinks.
    Like I said last episode, Rick’s been profoundly changed by having to kill Shane. As he told Shane, he’ll never be the same.
    –Closing shot on what is likely Randall’s group’s camp, not too far from Rick’s camp. Huge compound. Perfect set-up for Season 3.
    –Good stuff on what’s coming in Season 3: http://screenrant.com/walking-dead-season-3-spoilers-aco-159922/all/1/

    • love the reviews Robyn, makes me feel as if I am watching the show again and some of my original thoughts pop into my head.

      “–After reading various theories about how Randall and the cops ended up walkers, I thought about transmission of the walker virus in the week before the finale….”

      Maybe it is not a virus, or a bacteria or parasite. Maybe it just is. It could be a decimal point in the universe’s physics model got shifted over. Who really knows.

      “The sky looks like it’s still light out. Maggie and Glenn driving alone. In what looks like early afternoon. Odd since the gunshot scene with Rick and Shane was ostensibly at night, in the dark”

      For me. it looked like very early morning, the colors were cool and light soft. Early afternoon would have had warmer colors, or required overcast skies. To me the timeline is moving straight and linear in this sequence, now, something you would think at most would be 3 hours seems to have been 8+ hours.

      “–Hershel’s greatest line, bar none: “When Christ promised a resurrection of the dead, I just thought he had…a little something different in mind.” Nope, Hershel, this was Christ’s plan all along. Bitchy, eh?”

      Yeah, the best line of the entire show. One should never make assumptions about what is being sold to you before checking the details.

      “The reunions were great, but now Carl knows that Rick was going to leave his mom behind, and will probably learn that his mom was willing to walk alone to find Carl and Rick.”

      Wow, good point. Missed that angle.

      “Is it because he has a guilty conscience for keeping it hidden, or because his judgment and authority are being questioned?”

      Is it because Rick is questioning his own judgement and right to authority?

      “–I re-watched it, and her face really changed, and she backed away a bit more, when Rick said about Shane, “he planned it. I had no choice.””

      If this after Rick said that Carl had shot Zombie Shane, I don’t think she was really listening to him anymore. The whole feeling that Rick allowed her son killed a man she loved (dead on, but oh well)has made anything else Rick say not register, and if did, not desired to be heard. Though other’s ideas that Lori wanted Shane over Rick is very interesting.

      “–Where is Carol’s new attitude coming from? Last episode she wanted to be left out of any group decisionmaking on a difficult issue (killing Randall), and now she’s speaking against Rick and suggesting Daryl goes it alone? Calling him a henchman and herself a burden? WTF?”

      Carol is getting stronger and more independent as the show goes. If her abusive husband was still alive, she would never had said a thing about Randal’s plight. Her telling the group she wants no part either way is one of her first, overt steps of saying she will be making decisions for herself, even if it means to not make a decision. She had a relationship where she was not allowed to express herself and now in this new world, she is learning to.

      “–”If you’re staying, this isn’t a democracy anymore.” It never was; you just acted like it. Shane was always the wrench in those plans. But now Rick’s not going to even act like he cares what everyone else thinks.”

      At that moment in time, yeah, Rick is going to be a serious baddass. But later, in a safer environment, I am sure he will loosen the reigns and ask and listen to ideas and suggestions, but be the final arbitrator instead of trying to please everyone. Right now, it is, keep everyone alive and safe til they find a place they can breathe and relax a little bit.

    • I would just like to observe that “Poor Shane is daid…” is one of the greatest obscure references ever. Now I can’t get the song out of my head.

      • Thanks. I haven’t been able to get the song out of my head ever since I wrote my review. Sometimes singing Shane, and other times Jud.

    • PLEASE don’t post long LONG passages on here! It’s so boring, I just skip right on past them.

  17. Well i see why Rick would need to be more aggressive with his authority since he does have a very ungrateful group of people to protect. But i think he should still maintain most of the old rick as well

  18. It’s an intriguing theory that Lori was intentionally pitting Shane and Rick against each other, secretly rooting for the former to prevail in their conflict. This could explain some of the inconsistencies in her character. However, I think this analysis is a little too superficial. People are complex creatures, particularly when everything they’ve ever known and loved has been turned upside down. Upon hearing Rick’s account of the shooting, she’s off course going to have a strange reaction. First off, she’s pregnant, so her hormones are going to be going haywire. Second, she is likely disgusted w/ Rick’s conscious decision to kill Shane, not mention her son killing a “man.” While it’s not a man, I think any mother would be disgusted w/ the idea that her child was now wielding guns and shooting a man for whom he formerly possessed a great deal of affection. Rationally, of course it makes no sense to be sad a/b the death of a zombie, but these are very complex emotions at play. Third, Lori–by no fault of her own–surely had genuine affection for Shane, as well. They had a romantic affair, and Shane played a very important role for her; Shane is the only reason she even survived to see Rick’s return. It doesn’t have to be an either-or proposition; she can simultaneously have strong feelings for both Rick and Shane. Fourth, she must feel a great deal of guilt over the whole situation. It would be difficult for any body to process this overwhelming emotion. Fifth, and perhaps most importantly, don’t forget that she and Rick were on the outs prior to the Zombie Apocalypse. Their marriage was crumbling. As Rick told her in Season One, they had an opportunity to make a new beginning of it, but how can they when their are so many opposing forces?

    The point is: people act irrationally and inconsistently all the time. Behavior doesn’t always make sense; this is only going to be compounded in a situation as awful as a zombie apocalypse. Don’t try to impose so much order on chaos.

      • Dang wouldn’t post my emoticons hysterically laughing my tail end off!

    • @Bob – You stated it far better than I could have – bravo!

      I really do think we need to cut these characters a bit of slack, they’ve been dropped into an unfamiliar world with no map and few (if any) provisions and certainly no practical survival skills – this whole journey has been a “learn as you go” proposition, including for the most vulnerable members of the group and they’ve been trying to make the best of it.

      When Rick opened up and spewed his thoughts on Lori, it seriously overwhelmed her, making her feel physically sick (believe me, it doesn’t take much when you are pregnant).

      Add to that the load of guilt she’s been carrying for her imagined “infidelity” with Shane, which she still had been unable to resolve (no thanks to Shane’s bitterness) – despite the fact that she honestly thought Rick was dead and therefore can NOT be seen as having “cheated” on him. She very well could have also been reeling from the thought that she might have had a hand in pushing the outcome that resulted.

      Oh, and let’s add the pregnancy, the one that she had seriously considered ending due to the bleak future she was staring at, just made ten times worse by the new knowledge that they are all infected.

      Yes, I can totally empathize with where her head is at. I do also believe that she is terrified of the changes she is seeing in her husband, he’s becoming a different person and she is now going to have to readjust to this “new” person.

      Oh, and keep in mind that this all happened in the space of a few short hours immediately after a horrifyingly traumatic experience – and everyone is still pretty much in shock over that. Their reactions (all of them, from the whiniest to the most dictatorial) are realistically believable responses to the trauma they endured. I often like to try and imagine how I would respond if I woke up one day in such a terrifyingly unpredictable world. It’s easy to second-guess how people “should” behave from the relative safety of the couch, you know? Would we, could we do better given the same circumstances?

  19. Furthermore, I would not be surprised if Rick was only letting his emotions get the better of him. Rick definitely does not strike me as being the “dictator” type. Quite simply, he’s not Shane. The stress of the situation could drive anybody to act uncharacteristically, but given some time to cool down, I bet the “dictator” bravado will subside.

    A couple of other things that I’m interested to see in Season 3: what a/b the skinhead brother (can’t remember his name) who cut his hand off to escape the rooftop in downtown Atl during Season 1? Also, what a/b the father & son who rescued Rick in Season 1?

    • I believe you are referring to Merle, Daryl’s brother, and I would dare say that it is entirely plausible that he was rescued by the ever so elusive helicopter and brought back to the prison, where he will most likely reappear in some way or another at odds with Daryl. As for the father and son duo, they are zombies;-) Just my thoughts on the matter, and hope you enjoyed them for what they are worth.

  20. Love the show…but Lori is one of the most annoying characters ever.

  21. If they all really want to survive,kill Carl.He’s been the catalyst for everyone’s problems pretty much the entire season.

    He indirectly got Otis killed because he got shot when he,Rick,and Shane were in the woods.Had he not begged to go,then things would’ve been different.

    He directly got Dale killed because of his careless wandering into the woods and not killing that zombie that SHOULD’VE killed him.

    Just had to shoot Shane and attract the attention of huge zombie horde that attacked the farm getting three more people killed.

    I swear,that friggin’ kid has to be stopped before more people get killed because of him.

    • @Longshanks:
      I said the exact same thing in a post but mine was ignored. I guess yours will be too.

      • But Carl is the future of the human race. Without the Carls of the world, the human race will end :)

        • Then they ARE truly and very very sadly…..doomed.

  22. Compare season 1 with 2 and 2 looks so inferior. The storylines dragged on & on. What was told over 13 episodes was done in just 3 comics. Where’s the tension? The by product of storylines dragging on & on is that you end up hating the characters cause all they do is sit around and talk and talk. I lost count of how many times I felt like screaming ‘we get it already!’ just get to the final 5 minutes of the episode so that we can move the plot along. The prison & governor arcs for season 3 are truly the best from the comic so I’m really, really hoping that they learn from the comics – bring back the fear that any character can die, pick up the pace! These characters are in a horrific situation – we get that – so start showing them in redeemable situations like the comics otherwise like many I’ll be hoping the zombies find a hole in the prison fence and this show with so much potential can finally be put down.

  23. One final stupid question before my wife and I turn our attention now to the second season of Twin Peaks-er-The Killing, so we can find out who killed Laura Palmer-er-Roasie Larson. As it turns out, the killer probably wasn’t the city’s most powerful guy, Benjamin horne-er-Mauyoral candidate Darren Richmond. The real killer may be connected to the casino/teenage brothel, One-Eyed Jack’s-er-the Indian Casino.

    Anyway, regarding Daryl, we’ve always wondered, if the zombie apocalypse were happening, and zombies were trying to catch you to eat you, would you rather be inside a car or a truck, rather than on a motorcycle? Just a logistical question, that’s all.

    I can’t wait for Twin Peaks, Season 2.

    • Daryl seems like A. He doesn’t give a f**k, and B. That he has his reasons and probably could survive on his own. He has been ahead of the curve for most of the story since he has been using a silent kill method (the crossbow) for the majority of the show, and he knew that Shane killed Otis just based off his BS story. Being on the motorcycle does leave him open to a mob of Walkers, but they hit one of those car pile ups what can get around them a motorcycle or a car?

    • That’s not Daryl’s motorcycle, it’s his brother Merle’s motorcycle. Just how pissed do you think Merle would be if he found out his little brother abandoned his motorcycle?

      :)

  24. Somebody please let me about the helicopter in the opening sequence. Do we have any hope for the survivors?

  25. Yes JRM I totally agree with you 100% that this is no breaking bad at all. Im a livid breaking bad fan and no show touches it and im slightly going nuts for the season to start. But as I posted before if the walking dead stays true to it’s source it will surpass breaking bad in future seasons because sh#% is about to hit the fan. You know on breaking bad how after every great episode you think “How on earth can they top this?” But the breaking bad writers manage to pull it off every time? Im hoping the writers on the walking dead does the same thing of course if they stay true to the source

  26. After Rick killed Shane and before he ‘turned’ there were some quick flash scenes of Zombie faces? Any thoughts on that or what it was supposed to mean? Guessing it was images inside Shane’s new mince meat brains.

  27. QUESTION!

    Did anyone take Daryl’s watch? I thought that was kindof important as he related to it keeping their humanity as Dale was the moral compass of the show.

  28. I just have one nagging question about the mysterious, sword wielding hooded character at the end of season 2 – and it has to do with the the two (seemingly docile) zombies she was leading on chains. Seeing that they were armless was obvious – and later I learned that they were also jaw-less. Okay, that would make them SOMEWHAT less dangerous but just like a severed walker head (still trying to bite) – THEY wouldn’t realize they were less dangerous, would they? I mean, wouldn’t they still be trying to lunge and bite at anything living around them? To be led on leashes and seemingly docile goes against whatever laws of zombie-dom I’ve been weaned on since Romero’s original Night Of The Living Dead (the often quoted Zombie “bible” so to speak). Having docile (and God forbid, “trained” walkers) would go against any sense of “realism” in this world – a fatal logistical error only surpassed by the idea of TALKING zombies!! (A ludicrous idea briefly suggested by Jon Bernthal aka “Shane” – but thankfully shot down). Someone please enlighten me.

  29. OK you want to know what happens next here it is. The “GIRL” in the woods with the walkers, in going to be in every episode next season, main part of the comic book and the walkers she has with her are her boyfriend and his best friend. The Chopper flying over is from a military base, its how the army leads the walkers away from where they are at. The group will end up in the prison for about 5 episodes, them T-dog and carol will die. They will meet up with the army and then it will explode from there, next season will be crazy trust me.

    • Hey fucc you for posting crap about season 3 on a season 2 thread jackass!

      • Sugarshane:

        “Man stop posting crap from season 3 on an obvious season 2 thread!”

        “Hey fucc you for posting crap about season 3 on a season 2 thread jackass!”

        Hey, “Sweet Shane”

        What is your problem? That is twice in 20 hours you have vehemently complained about someone bringing in 3rd season into what was originally a 2nd season discussion, but this last time, you are replying to a post that is 7 months old.

        Relax, calm down, take chill pill or smoke some herb. What ever that will help you feel more one with the universe and you will then realize that everything will all right.

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