‘The Mentalist’ Season 5 Details – ‘Dark’ Jane & Red John Reveal

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[WARNING - THIS POST CONTAINS THE MENTALIST SEASON 4 SPOILERS!!!]

After six “relaxing” months in Las Vegas, The Mentalist season 4 finale brought Patrick Jane closer to Red John than ever before – or so he thought (again). Though Red John may still be at large, the CBI now has Lorelei, one of his accomplices, in custody. Will Jane be able to “make her sing like a bird” next season?

Speaking with Entertainment Weekly, series creator Bruno Heller discussed what’s in store for Patrick Jane (Simon Baker) in season 5, the dark turn the series will take next season, the move to Sunday night, how some fans will be disappointed when Red John is finally revealed, and much more.

With Lorelei (Emmanuelle Chriqui) firmly in the grasps of the CBI, fans are waiting to see how Jane will get information about Red John out of her. Even though Red John’s accomplices don’t typically survive capture, Heller says he “hopes” she’ll stick around for a bit next season – hopefully long enough to get Jane closer to Red John.

Perhaps hinting at Patrick Jane’s interrogation techniques, Heller says that fans will be seeing a darker side of Jane in season 5:

…it’s not that Jane is No More Mr. Nice Guy, but we’re certainly going to see a little more of that hard darker side of him.

The show is not going to turn into a much darker show, but that character will show more of those colors. We’re getting closer to the meat of what the show is about.

That being said, don’t expect to see Red John officially revealing himself anytime soon. If anything, it will be at least two more seasons before that actually occurs. Being completely aware of how temperamental some series fans can be, Heller says that he knows people will be disappointed when Red John’s true identity is finally revealed:

…if season 5 we just opened a door and said “tah-dah!” and it was some mid-range actor, that would be disappointing. The trick is going to be — and this is coming — bringing the audience along and making them second guess themselves and ask, “Is that him? Is that him?” Red John ultimately is just a man — whenever you see the great criminals reduced to the flesh it’s sort of disappointing. I have two seasons or so to make it come true. I can guarantee that people will be disappointed.

You might already have seen him.

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When it comes to talk about future seasons, one has to touch upon CBS’ recent decision to abruptly cancel CSI: Miami without providing the producers enough time to end the series appropriately. Fortunately, The Mentalist doesn’t appear to be anywhere near the position that CSI: Miami was when it was canceled. But if it does happen, Heller promises that they’ll know well enough in advance to make sure closure is provided for fans.

It’s the job of myself and everybody else on this show to keep it working as well as it does to ensure we get that final arc. A show that’s been running this long with the degree of success it’s had, we’ll know well in advance of that sort of outcome and we’ll adjust accordingly. I’m not concerned about that.

Of course, making the move to Sunday night may still have fans worried about what may happen to their favorite series. Thanks to Sunday night no longer carrying the terrible programming stigma that it has in the past, Heller has no worries about viewers finding The Mentalist in his new timeslot.

If I thought making a fuss would make any difference then I would feel differently. But there’s aspects of this job you don’t have control over. Our audience will follow us and hopefully we’ll also find a different audience than we found on Thursday nights.

While we won’t for sure know how The Mentalist will do on Sundays nights, CBS’ decision to move the series to the weekends represents their intention to expand their schedule to include compelling series across the entirety of the broadcast week, instead of solely focusing on certain key weekday programming.

So make sure that your viewing schedules are adjusted accordingly, as Patrick Jane takes on Sunday nights this fall.

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Source: Entertainment Weekly

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  1. SPOILER ALERT!!! Finally they write the beached whale Van Pelt out of the series!!!

    • Baker requesting to leave?! I guess it’s the end of The Mentalist unless….RJ kills Jane and do either Danny Ruskin or Walter Mashburn assist CBI in hunting RJ down. It’s unlikely but it a possibility. Failing that, Stiles is RJ. It’s obvious but he’s a great actor and would deserve the main antagonist’s part. And it makes sense to so many RJ questions. Thoughts?

      • I agree that Stiles would be as easy RJ as would Jason Cooper and Minelli.
        It’s such a shame that the Mentalist will soon be leaving our screens.
        It has been a near constant pleasure(except season 4)and it bequeathed to us some rather wonderful programmes; BBC’s Sherlock, Elementary and The Following. Patrick Jane is as iconic and recognisable as is Columbo.

        • Jason Cooper? Why would he be more obvious? I’m inclined to suggest Nax Winter would be more logical then Cooper to an extent. Definitely NOT RJ: Mashburn, Ellis Mars and Brett Partridge.

          • Max Winter seems a little bit of a stretch. He loved his son and avenged his wife. Doesn’t sound to me like a RJ, he’s perhaps a tad too noble.

            • But maybe that’s the ideal foil. And he gets to read Jane at a close, yet safe, distance. How did RJ find Carter? I can’t remember!

              • Maybe. Who knows how RJ met Carter or why RJ killed the forensics guy or kidnapped Wainwright or why Season 4 happened at all?

                • Your on to something!

                • Wasn’t Carter found in Africa? As to Season 4, at least we had the Panzer storyline. And as to our other mysteries from Frye to Wainwright unless Stiles is RJ, anyone else would be illogical or requiring a brilliant explanation. And that includes Winter or Minelli.

                  • Trust me: Partridge is Red John.

                    • Partridge is RJ? No chance.

      • Your wrong the Mentalist isn’t going anywhere – it is just a rumor!

    • That’s not nice to say! She surely is pregnant – with the all over weight gain and to pick on a pregnant woman – not to smart (she has tons of friends)! Was Harry’s Law canceled because Kathleen Bates, is overweight? A great show kicked in the dust.

      • Forgive my flippancy over Amanda’s pregnancy.
        If her pregnancy could not be written into the show. She ought to have been written out.
        I was just referring to the farce of filming her forever seated in dark rooms, never leaving her CBI chair and no one noticing her rapid and obvious weight gain.
        On the Mentalist rumours, hmmm. Simon Baker had a relatively successful film career prior to The Mentalist and it wouldn’t surprise me, if after six years, that he’d like to do something else.

        • The Smiley Face was drawn in Jane’s own blood in the asylum cell. But he drew it and then scrawled it out all in his blood.

    • …she is pregnant (in real life).

    • In GB just viewed the Lorelei being killed episode. It may be the darkest episode yet but it was brilliant. The main flaw to this RJ identity is simple: Brett Stiles knows who it is. Yet the writers seem to have forgot this along with PJ and Lisbon!!! But Season 5 is brilliant, storylines from previous season plot holes aside.

  2. Thanks for sharing that, JK.
    I, as a viewer, thank actor-producer SB for making “The Mentalist” a better, more coherent work by not futzing around 2 more seasons “just b/c it’s already funded”. If the tale is pretty much into “Act IV”, have the class to end it gracefully, be NOT like a “soap opera”, known, as we have previously discussed, for not ever really resolving things.

    WRT could TL be RJ?
    X & JK have endorsed that PJ was so eager to unload his wife & kid that he wanted them dead & his monomanical search for RJ is a ruse PJ pulls on himself as a means of disowning such terrible thoughts & behaviors.

    If PJ could be so twisted, the case IS actually doubly strong for Lisbon. We know that she was left an impossible job @ her mother’s deathbed, to care for 3 “feral” younger brothers who have yet to show gratitude, concern for her, or upright legal lifestyles. We know from previous episodes that earlier in her career, she had a string of successes, was called “St. Theresa” by the media & probably for the 1st time in her life enjoyed support & popularity. It was taken from her violently & publically, though, when following CBI rules caused one extra daughter to be killed by a serial killer while CBI was still “waiting for a warrant” (i think that was it) & the family turns all the rage due the serial killer ON HER. So, she could have cracked, said to herself, “I hate families that unjustly hurt me even after I give them my all, I hate CBI b/c they hang officers out to dry w/ little to no thought for the individuals they say they have sworn to protect, I am sick of helpless/needy/loved victims…. How come it was not ever MY turn to be love or cared about when I was that age? Then harboring all this, she sees one hot Patrick Jane all smug on TV & she decides to become both his obsession / antagonist as the unseen Red John while yet ultimately posing as his near perfect (doesn’t complain, doesn’t have a personal life) Dr. Watson to his Sherlock Holmes. She’s got sociopathic brothers as available henchmen. It would explain why the woman psychic PJ was starting to like had to be neutralized. TL wants him all for herself. She can easily monitor where he is & what he says.

    It does not account for who the blind lady has been having sex w/ & others who have experienced RJ’s persona as man, but she COULD be the main RJ.

    WRT Lorelei, the name refers to the legend, I think of nymphs that would sit among the rocks in shallow water & call to sailors hypnotically, the results being that they wrecked their ships on the reefs & drown.

    • I wish to pay tribute to a sensational series, the best of its kind since Columbo, reinvigorating the staid Detective genre and it has given us the BBC’s Sherlock, Elementary and The Following.
      Simon Baker has been fantastic in the leading role, ably supported by a fine cast. I will always remember the series fondly.

    • I can see why PJ is RJ but I’m hoping it’s either Stiles, Alex Jane or Patrick Jane’s (unknown) brother. Unlikely the latter and wholly illogical but Stiles fits the bill perfectly. Age, power, pawns at his disposal, wealth, charm, perceptiveness, soft voice, warmed to Jane from their first meet….Stiles is the logical choice.

    • Lisbon as Red John? Very interesting and well reasoned thought. Also, in Season 4′s finale, RJ admitted that PJ had ‘him’ convinced for a good long time. Maybe until Jane told Lisbon his plan? However, there’s just one slight query…she made it apparent she loved Bosco. Why kill him? And how did she contact Carter?

  3. Has anyone else noticed the painting in Virgil Minelli’s office of a small fishing boat being besieged by a great fish(S2Ep8)?

    • I can see why PJ is RJ but I’m hoping it’s either Stiles, Alex Jane or Patrick Jane’s (unknown) brother. Unlikely the latter and wholly illogical but Stiles fits the bill perfectly. Age, power, pawns at his disposal, wealth, charm, perceptiveness, soft voice, warmed to Jane from their first meet….Stiles is the logical choice. And I noticed the boat. But I also noticed, in the first episode, in Jane’s house, a picture that resembles a smiley face. It’s a blink and miss it job!

  4. X,
    WRT TL being the “real” RJ, i.e. the brains & commanding force behind a minion of dutiful players:

    I really don’t like her for the part, as they say on the show, but from a psycho dynamic POV, she is a much more likely match than PJ. Honestly!

    If she were RJ, lying is no problem, so do not be worried about the mysteries of who she SAID she loved. Didn’t she jump into bed w/ bad boy Walter near the end of Season IV & grin when he admired her mix of “Dirty Harriett” & apparent unfailing propriety while on the job? Was that not a rathet surprising tattoo we saw on her while she was strapping on her “piece”?

    Come to think of it, she has more power to recruit just the “right” felon from all those she has “sent up”, by offering the right one(s) just the right favor to snitch or bring her up to date or do covert rotten things in exchange for arranging “administrative” releases. She can even use the same records / database of the successful vendetta hunter who nabbed his prey, but PJ & TJ managed to keep out of jail, himself.

    But even though she has exceptionally good means & opportunity & maybe even motive IF she is nuts, I still say the character the writers LET us see the most psychopathology consistent w/ preditor (I have previously belabored the specifics) is the direct boss to Lisbon immediately after the serial killer was set on fire in the CBI cell & Hightower & her relatives were persecuted & hunted down w/o due process or any reasonable explanation @ all. I am forgetting that man’s name, but once O’Lauglin shot 2 local police officers dead just to silence the intended slaughter & then apparently tried very hard to kill not only Hightower, but also TL & Van Pelt, he apparently lost administrative cred & announced he was going to be away “for awhile”.

    It was very frustratinht tjat the writers allowed PJ to be soooo mentally dull that he would not arrange to keep an eye on hom. After all, PJ had arranged a slip-shod burglary of thos guy’s home when he WAS PJ’s direct supervisor. Anyway, it is a missed opportunity if the writers just dropped that thread.

    • RJ wanted Hightower killed. Lisbon, if RJ, had the ideal means and motive. She surely would’ve let O’Loughlin shoot Hightower before shooting at him? TL as RJ has some answers but not also leaves more questions then it answers. And I believe RJ to be male.

    • One other thought: Is Mashburn a bad boy? He’s just a show off with plenty of money and a short attention span.

  5. Wrt TL, who as I said, I do not wish to be cast as RJ b/c among other things, it trivializes or seems to excuse the bad motives & actions of the broad cast of relatively malicious characters & inauthenticates the concern, patience & gentleness that TL seems to be offering as “tried & true” principles that her associates @ CBI can safely trust in. In other words, it drops the TV show from an invitation to come & see what happens when really capable, talented people work really hard together over a really long time on this really complicated, seemingly insurmountably outrageously perverted, intrusive & wicked malevolent presence that will NOT be ignored…. to some cynical tale along the lines of Mickey Spillane… which invariably conclude that people who look clean are just better @ their ability to con others.

    But remember, IF TL has substituted herself in as RJ, her goal would not be things like assasinating Hightower. The goal for her would be to keep the tension of the game going w/ PJ. Everyone is is expendable as just a prop in that mindset.

    But again, the best fitting sicko we have been shown would be the boss who sought dirt on everybody @ CBI & showed unreasoning bloodlust to get Hightower assasinated.

  6. Yeah, that’s the guy the writers loaded w/ characteristics of a devious loner who manipulates others & intentionally causes them harm & seems displeased when the CBI team was able to work well together. He would have appreciated the blind lover, etc.

    I have been thinking though, that maybe there js a double a double plot ( sort of like rival gang warfare) that has increased the # of casualies: why was O’ Laughlin sent to kill Hightower w/ the probability he would either kill his fiancee or take her hostage? Maybe he was wirking for Stiles, as it says many in the govt forces do.

    Rethinking all the violence w/ the possibility of who killed that one, Stiles or RJ (Stiles is not RJ, I would not think… Too much conflict & cross purposes btwn them) ought to give one pause.

  7. Guys! Could anyone not think about ‘Agent Bob kirkland’ for the handshake? He also obviously look like jane I’m some @ the time of the handshake. There was a kind of change in camera motion when Kirkland shook hands with Jane, he also acted friendly and Jane didn’t even knew him @ the time.. Well Jason king, Xenophon, Elsmitho and others, what are your thoughts?

    • The Kirkland handshake is too obvious. And has one slight flaw: When Lorelei told Jane about the handshake and RJ, she was incarcerated thus wouldn’t have known of Kirkland’s handshake. However, RJ’s handshake clue could be as much of a dud clue as ‘he is man/r’. So long as PJ isn’t RJ I won’t mind any other revelation. And Elthimo, the character you’re referring to is J J LaRoche. Great character but not RJ. However, I wonder what his secret is….?

  8. X, thank u for giving me the name of the character, JJ LaRoche, who is troubled & devious to say the least & maliciousness is implied in every transaction the audience is given to see.

    Would you please “unpack” for us the reasoning for your absolute certainty that JJLR is NOT RJ?

    Thanks!

    • LaRoche is thorough, has little room for emotion but does have a constant thirst for results and truth. He doesn’t manipulate but does use facts obtained to seek the truth. He Police’s the Police and while the character seems dark, he is just a fact finding man who asks for respect. RJ? Unlikely. Bertram is more likely but if we’ve seen RJ it certainly is most likely to be Stiles.

      • Xenophon I want to pay tribute to your dissection of La Roche’s character. Truly excellent!

        • Thank you. It’s pleasing to be appreciated by someone who is far more eloquent and intellectual then myself. And I will add I’m being genuinely sincere and not sarcastic. I will add that I find the chap who plays LaRoche to be a fine actor who would also do the RJ revelation proud but the confines of how his character is written makes it illogical.

        • Also, if La Roche was RJ, he’d know Jane knows his identity (or was bluffing) in Season 3 finale. I wonder what La Roche’s secret is?

  9. The news that Simon Baker want’s to live TM is false. Jordan Harper deny’t on twitter.

  10. Xenophon, like I said – Kirkland could be red john, recalling the 100th episode he was the first person to keep track of jane. He did so through director Alexis Schultz of the fbi. In my own opinion, he also somehow looks like jane.

    • But he didn’t shake Jane’s hand. He’s a red herring just as Bertram is. Or: Bertram is RJ (he has the power, connections, the voice and penchant for William Blake) and Kirkland is his ‘new Tanner’. Yes, Rosalind claimed an average height, soft voice man was Roy Taglioferro and maybe he was. But she wouldn’t see if Bertram was also in attendance. I agree it’s unlikely but I’m hoping for a semi twist to RJ’s revelation and not it’s Patrick Jane’s alter ego!

      • Did you notice the mediation on mothers in lastnight’s episode? We now know that both Partridge and Rigsby had unhappy mothers and that Cho is either unable or unwilling to discuss his mother as he was also equally unwilling to discuss his father earlier this season.
        Lorelei also has a cruel and vain mother.
        Motherhood has entered this series in a way that it hasn’t previously.

        • In GB we’ve only just had Red Barn episode. But I’ve mentioned the lack of Mothers mentioned before. And Partridge and co had bad Mothers? It’s interesting but it won’t assist in the quest for RJ. He kills both sexes and I think he’s a settled, powerful man who kills to (in my opinion) try to show how manly he is. Possibly a mock at his Father.

          • Red John murders women for pleasure but he murders men to hide his crimes(more accurately to evade punishment for his crimes).

            • There are a few curious details which I shall throw open to the Screenrant court of analyses.
              At the end of the pilot and again in another episode where Jane experiences amnesia, he returns home to the scene of Red John’s murder of his family. Upon the wall is a smiley face. Can this still be the blood of his wife&child daubed ghoulishly on the wall?
              In a flashback when Jane is institutionalised a Red John smiley face is behind Jane, on the wall, as he struggles with the wardens. Who put the smiley face upon that wall?
              When Dumar is found dead in a bath with a prostitute. Who wrote ‘ he is mars’ on that wall? Surely it can’t be Dumar. Wouldn’t his killer have made sure that he was dead before leaving? Could Dumar write those words bleeding from his fatal wounds? And if he had wanted to reveal Red John’s identity would he have left a riddle?
              It’s curious isn’t it?

              • I think he enjoyed killing Dumar. And Dr Towling. The Smiley Face is symbolic (in the Mental Hospital), as it means this is the reason Jane was institutionalised. However, the blood in the bedroom….just a reminder to why Jane should never return to defrauding for money via Medium. But who’s blood is on Rosalind’s wall??

                • Jane returns home to sleep under a blood red smiley face but it makes little sense that it would still be there. He has a nervous breakdown and Jane paints the Red John symbol on his cell wall. Strange thing of Jane to do considering his apprehension whenever he sees the sign.
                  Dumar is somehow able to daub in his own blood ‘ he is mars ‘.
                  I find these details to be curious.

                  • Is the smiley face in the Mental Institute actually on the wall or is it a mirage of Jane’s broken mind and emotion? As for the bedroom smiley face, it’s a symbol of the narcissistic thirst for vengeance. But these 2 illogical and unusual scrawlings brings us back to the point of The Mentalist: how far will one go for revenge and how much good does one need to do before being allowed such a selfish, criminal act of murder? And if Jane finds RJ’s identity, finds out he has a Wife and young Daughter, will he still kill? Or what if RJ is Lisbon, the only woman he has feelings for? Lisbon isn’t RJ but it makes for a psychological debate.

                  • Just to re-iterate a question of unique intrigue…whose blood is on Rosalind’s wall? I’m surprised it’s never been tested. We presume the blood in Jane’s bedroom is his Wife and Child. And whose blood is on the wall in the mental institute? RJ has some sentiment though as he didn’t kill one of the 3 of Jane’s captors in Season 2 finale. Again, why? Nor has he killed Rosalind.

                    • Curious indeed which begs the question are these extraneous plot holes or interesting details worthy of considering in any Red John theory?

                    • If it’s the latter, all roads lead to PJ is RJ. If it’s the former, it’ll take a superb episode to explain everything. But I’m wondering why, as macabre as it seems, we’ve never viewed the bodies of Jane’s Wife and Daughter? Before I ask to debate if they existed, there are photos of the family together in Jane’s house (before he opens the bedroom door). Why is RJ’s note so grammatically incorrect for someone who may well be extremely educated. Curious plot holes, red herrings or clues to help identify RJ? I reckon the former.

                    • Also, why leave the ‘signature’ of your nemesis in your house at the expense of ridding yourself of every trace of your murdered family? Again though, I suppose these oddities are answered by saying we don’t realise how powerful or abstract the mind can be when traumatised.

                  • Sorry to be pedantic. It’s Jared Renfrew who may have scrawled he is mars. Which almost reads Ellis Mars! No, please no.

  11. What happened with the message that Jared Renfrew left on the wall in Season 1?

    “He is mar/man”

  12. RJ didn’t kill the 3rd captor in the final of season 2 because he was only there because the other 2 had his mother as a compelling reason to participate. He was shot in the leg.

    Do we find out anything about what happens to Kristina Frye after an early ep of Season 3? Did I miss something?

    • Exactly. RJ has a ‘softer’ side. He didn’t kill that boy because it was unjust. But why kill the TV presenter who was interviewing Kristina Frye? It was to get Jane’s and CBI’s attention. RJ has a sense of theatre. So his actions are with purpose. For the ‘audience’. Hence, he let the boy live to allow him to view RJ intimately mocking PJ. But where did the boy disappear to?? More plot holes

  13. I just started watching the episode on tonight and had to change the channel due to the disturbing degree of violence portrayed. Highly disturbing and unneccesary.

  14. **SPOILER**
    Can’t believe Lorelei just got murdered by rj. I was hoping shed stick around.

  15. SPOILER! SPOILER! SPOILER! SPOILER!
    So what exactly are Robert Kirkland and Bertram Gale up to? Good friends with an obvious bond, conspiring. ” Can we trust Lisbon?” ” Can we trust anyone?”
    Red John and friend or two individuals trying to bring down Red John, not knowing who their allies are?
    Phew two Red John friends, both of whom personally know Red John, neither identified Patrick as John(phew that possibility’s gone)and both identified John as a male(so you can scratch off Lisbon and Van Pelt off your suspect list, if e’er they were upon it).
    If Red John is not either Bob or Bertram, Red John must be someone who is very powerful indeed as he has the CBI Director and Homeland Security tied in knots ” you normally deal with terrorists “.
    If I’ve made some mistakes in quoting mea culpa.

    • Just viewed a clip of ep 16 ending. Brilliant cinematography. And Lisbon’s face when Jane mockingly commented Lorelei ‘had it coming’ was absorbing. True shock on her face at Jane’s callousness to his lover. Brilliant scene.

      • I got the feeling that it was more a case of Patrick Jane proving the point that he was not as attached to Lorelei as Lisbon thought. I think this was not said in callousness as much as it was to express his frustration.

  16. PJ is RJ. I had an epiphany when he said, “She had it coming,” at Lorelei’s death scene. Say it ain’t so!

  17. Jane s RJ. I had an epiphany when he said, “She had it coming,” at Lorelei’s death scene. Say it ain’t so!

    • I also held this to be a possibility at one time… but remember that with Lorelei in the equation (that is to say that she knew who Red John was) and the fact that Red John killed her sister, she could have killed Patrick Jane while she had the chance if she knew he was RJ’s alter ego. The fact that PJ and Lorelei were associated shoots this theory down… also, Lorelei mentioned PJ having shook Red John’s hand at one point. He wouldn’t have shook his own hand. So while it did seem like a plausible theory that PJ had a split personality disorder like in the book/ movie thr3e, these simple details blow that possibility out of the water. Also the guy that Lorelei shot in the episode she was killed… he didn’t seem to give any hint that PJ was RJ. He admitted that he worked for RJ. Even if Lorelei was giving Patrick Jane a “head start”, knowing that he was currently in the PJ “mode” and not RJ mode, how would she know which part of the split personality he was actually playing out at any given time in her interactions with him. She would maybe have know the trigger for him to switch and then used that to her advantage. There are now too many holes in what was once a possibility. I just don’t see it now.

      • I do hope you are right. Too many times I’ve been disappointed by stories where we are fooled by the story teller, who didn’t even know that he’s got a split personality and that he’s the culprit. RJ has hired in the past, someone to impersonate him. What could have prevent Lorelei from being fooled by an RJ impersonator? I can’t see them introducing a new character to the show either–that’s just as bad as the split personality. There are finite number of characters in the show–I just hope that there is a real RJ among them.

        I can’t remember her name but what happened to the blind lady who knew RJ? Did she touch both RJ and PJ’s face? I can’t recall if she was killed off.

  18. Isn’t it conceivable that PJ expects his comments to be monitored & he has rightly observed that RJ is especially keen on harming anyone PJ shows attachment or affection for? He is also warning off TL in the most severe terms available to keep her distance from him.

  19. What is known about Red John’s name? Where did it come from? How did it become known – does RJ himself use it (He does use the anagram Dr Joe – NH in season 1))?

  20. Just remember misdirection is one of the key tools of magicians & “mentalists”.

  21. Has van pelan actress had her baby yet?

    • Looks like she did in January, according to imdb. Congrats to Amanda Righetti!

  22. Red John should be identified by the end of season 5 or forget the mentalist.

    • You and I would say this, but let’s face it… we would keep coming back for more!

  23. You and I would say this, but let’s face it… we would keep coming back for more!

  24. Am I allowed an Oh My Lord!!!

  25. Have we finally met HIM?

    • No. But were close.

      • SPOILER ALERT!!!!

        So does this mean that Bertram was the original friend of Red John?

        • JK, if you listen to Bertram’s voice in Season 3 episode 3 I believe, he talks to Lisbon and I can’t remember what he said but he said it in the same high pitch we’ve heard RJ talk before. But he isn’t the shadowy figure leaving the barn in Season One finale.

      • Is it all a little easy? Are we about to find ourselves caught between a double bluff and a red herring?

  26. Okay I want some peoples opinions on something…

    I am (somewhat) confident Brett Stiles is Red John, and after re-watching the episode “His Thoughts Were Red Thoughts” I believe I am correct.

    RJ has a network of followers, some of which are very powerful. They are as dedicated as can be, and show a hypnotic-esk behavior. So whomever is leading them, is very powerful, wealthy, charismatic, and most likely a public figure. We also know RJ is at least 40 years old from the episode “Red Barn.” And Brett Stiles, obviously, fits all of those traits.

    In that episode, you see Brett Stiles in a new light. You see how persuasive and caring he can be with Van Pelt. He says “All of his members are his sons and daughters. And he loves all of them.” That was interesting because Bosco’s secretary said he was on a mission of love. He also references Red Smoke to Van Pelt when talking to her. He shows he has the “mentalist” gift when he read her issues like a book. Also he says “Did you think I would let myself get caught with blood on my hands?” These subtle hints, along with his character and traits, not to mention his connection with Kristina Frye, makes me believe he is pulling the strings.

    Now to my shocking part…I don’t believe Brett Stiles has directly killed anyone, even Jane’s family. I think Timothy Carter did, under the influence of BS/RJ.

    I could go more into detail, but I will leave that to the board if I see questions I can answer.

    • Also….

      RJ is going to be a good actor whenever he is revealed, and Malcolm McDowell is just that. It will also be an added bonus for the viewer when RJ has been seen on the show numerous times.

      And if people say his voice isn’t strange as a reason it can’t be him…any idiot can change their voice. C’mon.

      • I agree with what you said…but doesn’t anyone else find it odd that Vigil Minelli left to visit his sister in Hawaii at the same time Jared Renfrew was murdered in Mexico.

        Gregory Itzin is a solid actor, and makes sense in terms of him being Red John. He did go off the grid as soon as the Bosco stuff went down and the heat was turned up on the CBI.

        Im not saying he is RJ, but I think he is pretty dang plausible.

  27. I hope RJ isn’t Brett Styles… He certainly knows (of) RJ – he gives PJ the address where he could find Kristina Frye (I think). His powers and skills match, too. But I hope he’s a bit too obvious and that when RJ is revealed we’ll be able to say, “Oh, of course!”

  28. You All have Good points thinking that BS is RJ. If you can remember the reading of BS to Van Pelt when BS is in prison, he was very much likely speaks like PJ, cold readings, getting through to people and all the sorts. . I can really see the connections. Hadn’t really thought of it before reading your comments.

    But Minneli can’t be RJ or even TL. First Minneli doesn’t fit the character, It wasn’t even shown that Minneli was good with people. In the episode of Bosco’s Team being murdered by Red John the Statement of minneli wasn’t even emphasized in the plot.

    TL? Nah can’t be. She wasn’t even handling the RJ case prior to jane. It was only given by Sac PD to her, so doesn’t make sense if she was RJ.

    I have my heart that PJ is RJ. First is the personality, no other (aside from BS) has the same ability, even the profile in the story that has similarities with PJ. And I was able to narrow it with the TV interview of PJ with Panzer. He was really pissed when Panzer degrades RJ. And as far the the “Handshake” lorelei mentioned, It was a mislead for us to think that he is not really RJ, but as what Elsmitho said “Just remember misdirection is one of the key tools of magicians & “mentalists”.” I believe its a Dual personality. There was an Episode that a Character (sorry can’t remember) said that PJ’s wife is begging him to quit the psychic trade, and that is the only Reason why PJ’s alter Ego killed his wife. And when PJ is in the Mental Assylum, no crimes were commited by RJ. Crimes were only committed when His personality is at risk and threatened, if his career was being treated poorly by other Characters IE.. Bosco, Frye, specially Panzer.

    The Title Speaks for itself, The writters are Trying to do the “Mentalist” thing to the viewers. Now we are the Agents who are trying to figure out who is the Real RJ.

    Just Sayin. =)

  29. Red John is the CSI fellow from the pilot episode… I don’t remember his name he’s been on three other episode that I know of… But that’s just my guess

    • Brett Partridge is his name. Unlikely RJ. If he was in plain sight, surely Jane would read him?

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