Possible ‘Hobbit’ Movies Subtitles; Ian Holm’s Return Not Locked

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The spring equinox is on the horizon and its arrival marks the long-delayed beginning of principal photography on The Hobbit, with Peter Jackson once again helming the latest cinematic adventure(s) to Middle-Earth.

With the main cast set in place, the project’s financing all settled, and Jackson’s health stable once more, production on the two-part adaptation should actually be getting underway this time – multiple fingers crossed for extra luck, since these movies need it.

An insider (or friendly spy, if you will) for TheOneRing.net is reporting that New Line Cinema has gone ahead and registered two titles for The Hobbit films: a slight variation on the original name of J.R.R. Tolkein’s source material, The Hobbit: There and Back Again, and The Hobbit: An/The Unexpected Journey.

Nothing too earth-shattering or mind-blowing about either of these possible subtitles for the Hobbit films, but they’re certainly more interesting than merely Part 1 and Part 2. That’s assuming the studio heads don’t plan on only using one of those full titles, since The Hobbit: There and Back Again – Part 1 is a bit of a mouthful. Perhaps not so much as The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 1, or Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 1 but… we’ll leave it at that.

Giving each of the Hobbit movies their own unique titles would (naturally) help to better distinguish one from another. It would also be a fitting way to follow in the footsteps of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, with each chapter bearing its own separate subtitle. Assuming that’s the route New Line Cinema goes, An/The Unexpected Journey would make sense for the first film, There and Back Again for the second. It should be good, either way.

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Ian Holm To Return?

LOTR trilogy stars like Elijah Wood, Orlando Bloom, and Cate Blanchett are reprising their roles in The Hobbit, despite their respective characters not being immediately present in Tolkein’s original novel (in Wood’s case, Frodo Baggins wasn’t even born yet). Speculative opinion is that Jackson will frame his Hobbit with material set in the timeline of the original LOTR trilogy. It’s even possible that scenes of the fellowship’s stay in Rivendell from Fellowship of the Ring could bookend the Hobbit pics, with the plot unfolding as Frodo peruses through Bilbo’s manuscript.

It would therefore make sense for Sir Ian Holm to reprise his role as the elder Bilbo Baggins for The Hobbit, but the 79-year-old actor told The Daily Telegraph that his involvement is still up in the air. He seems fairly nonchalant about it all the same, joking that “the earthquake in Christchurch couldn’t have helped with communications.”

Holm’s return would be most welcome, but it’s not really a priority for the time being. It took an unexpected amount of time for Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis to officially sign on for The Hobbit, despite their returning being a no-brainer. Hopefully, Holm will get to make another short return to Middle-Earth as well.


Production on The Hobbit officially begins this month on March 21st. The first film is slated to reach theaters by December of 2012, followed by the second film a year later.

Source: TheOneRing.net, Belfast Telegraph

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  1. Is Hugo Weaving coming back? Considering his character is actually in the book, unlike all the other returning cast members?

    • Sam, that would make TOO much sense. Seriously, I really don’t know if I will be seeing this anymore. Why the need for a Subtitle…that’s just silly to me.

      • Why the need for a subtitle?
        Did you even read the article?

        • Actually I did, read the book several times too, as well as the LOTR books, The silmarillion.

          • God the Silmarillion was a struggle! It was one of the few times I nearly gave up on a book.

            • I’m still not done with that book, there are a few chapters that I havent read and I have had the book for nearly 2 years.

              Maybe the reason we havent heard word on Weaving yet is because of Captain America. maybe when the film is out in theater we will get news that he is signed on for the role again.

          • “they’re certainly more interesting than merely Part 1 and Part 2.”
            and “Giving each of the Hobbit movies their own unique titles would (naturally) help to better distinguish one from another. It would also be a fitting way to follow in the footsteps of the Lord of the Rings trilogy”.
            Your question is answered.

            and i’m not giving up. it still might be good. you’ve got to at least wait for the trailers before tossing it aside.

            • Um, they’re including characters that had no part in The Hobbit…..

              • your point?

                i have faith Peter Jackson will pull it off.
                he’s not doing it to kill off what could potentially make over 1 billion dollars at the box office.

              • Remember when Peter Jackson added the Elves in the Helms Deep battle, that wasn’t in the book; and I don’t think that ruined the movie (don’t know about every body-els) I trust Peter Jackson and can’t wait to see these movies.
                Actually I can wait, it’s just so hard. >_<

              • Because they are including the action that was going on elsewhere when Gandalf would disappear in the story. Later explained by Tolkien to be the White Council, and driving the Necromancer out of Mirkwood with the help of Saruman, Galadriel, Elrond, etc…

                As far as Elijah Wood, he’s needed for the framing sequences so people don’t get confused about the time shift, and Orlando Bloom, well, Legolas is the son of Thranduil the Elven-king, so it only makes sense he would be wandering around somewhere when stuff goes down in the story.

        • I think both parts don’t need a subtitle beacuse, it’s one book. I’d be okay with “The Hobbit: There and Back Again”. Do to the fact that we saw in Billbo’s journal that is what he wrote. So they should leave it at that. Subtitling both parts is just silly.

      • I’m certainly not bothered anymore that’s for sure.

    • I have been asking the same question for months now. Hugo Weaving is the only one left that must be in the Hobbit!

    • He’s apparently still in negotiations to return. He has a tricky schedule, because of theater obligations he has later this year. I imagine scheduling for this film is probably a giant Beorn sized bear.

  2. I like it, better than Part 1 and Part 2. And considering the fact that J.R. Tolkien was going to call The Hobbit, “There and back again, a hobbits tale” (or at least I think he was, correct me if I’m wrong) it sounds like a good choice. As for An/The Unexpected Journey it sounds as though it’s the start of the journey, as if they hadn’t even really started it yet. I don’t know, still it’s better than Part 2.

    Ya I know wouldn’t it be awesome if they spent the first hole movie at Bilbo’s home, were the dwarves just ate and drank and told stories the inter time. Now that would definitely be a 2-3 hour long movie that I would want watch.;)

  3. theretically, the Simarailion could be six books or more LOL!

    • or six movies! haha.

  4. I meant to say The Simarillion could be six FILMS LOL!
    Please Lord, NO!

  5. Nothing too Middle-Earth-shattering, indeed.

  6. Olay first of all the subtitle should never be considered to be changed. THERE AND BACK AGAIN is what is and will ever be.

    Peter Jackson did a marvelous job with the LOTR, i know he will do great things as the films production progresses for The Hobbit.

    As fpr Ian Holm returning? Sure, he started young but they need a character that looks awfully a lot like him to begin the quest and Ian to finish it. But thats just me.

  7. I am okay with these titles..I am also okay with whatever Jackson does to change the material..We will see Mirkwood, the Mirkwood Elves, The Lonely Mountain, Gollum, Bilbo aquire the ring, the spiders, Elrond, Smaug, the Battle of Five Armies, ETC, Etc, Etc..all the great bits from the book will make it there..if they connect the dots somewhat for the second film to the Fellowship then so be it..There were some things he changed with LOTR that I wasn’t really happy about but they are my favorite films now and I see no reason why Jackson and his creative team won’t do the same with these two film…

    Go WHite Council and it would be epic to see Sauron grace the big screen and be challenged by the COuncil and sent packing …

  8. I think they have those titles the wrong way round. There And Back Again should definitely be the second title out of the two (unless it works well with the fact that the film may include a non-linear narrative which starts with Frodo opening the actual book ‘The And Back Again’ within the actual film/screenplay, but I never been so sure on a view that I have posted on screen rant as strongly in my life lol) My reason being that There And Back Again seems a very weird way to title the start of a journey, considering that in narrative terms, the characters don’t know if they will return from this daring journey. Plus, An Unexpected Journey is fantastic for the start, rings many bells of the scene where Gandalf unexpectedly lands on Bilbo’s door step. This way the titles seem to get more and more epic, the other way round sounds anti-climactic.

    I think that if subtitles are requested, then there are no better subtitles than thoughs. They are an alteration from the original title of course, but I don’t think they can side track any less than that. Plus, using There And Back Again is a great tribute to the alternative title to The Hobbit book itself. The only other way you can do that is if you call it. ‘The Hobbit or There And Back Again’ but film has only ever done that very rarely, like ‘Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb’. I know that they aren’t explosive and mind blowing, but there again, neither is The Hobbit, but that’s not where the theme and beauty of the title stands.

    I also like Kieran’s point, ‘It would also be a fitting way to follow in the footsteps of the “Lord of the Rings trilogy”.

  9. (This is a copy/paste of mine from an earlier thread but hopefully it will get more exposure this time)

    ************************** PLEASE READ THIS ***************************

    Alright, I was on the other side of the fence with you nay sayers when I first heard about all the cast members from LotR returning to reprise their roles but then I did some real digging and reading to understand how and why Jackson is doing what he’s doing. The conclusion I have come to is I jumped the fence and am in full support of Jackson’s Vision.

    Now to help you all make that jump with me I would ask you to please all read this….. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quest_of_Erebor

    Here is the first part of that link:

    “”The Quest of Erebor” is a work of fantasy fiction by J. R. R. Tolkien, posthumously published by his son Christopher Tolkien in Unfinished Tales (1980). This work explains how and why Gandalf arranged for the retaking of the Lonely Mountain (Erebor in Sindarin), an adventure recounted from the perspective of Bilbo Baggins many years before in Tolkien’s The Hobbit.”

    This one page explains most of the cast choices, was written by Tolkien himself so nothing is being made up and firmly links the story with the larger mythology.

    I mean haven’t you all wondered WHY 13 Dwarves and a Wizard just showed up on Bilbo’s doorstep one day? Where and how that strange map arrived in Oakenshield’s hands in the first place? Where Gandalf mysteriously disappeared to half way through the book? What LotRs big bad guy has been doing since losing his ring? Well I for one DO and think exploring the larger picture won’t take away from the Hobbit but instead only add to it’s epicness.

    Even if some of you still don’t like the idea, at least now you are informed as to why Jackson is doing what he is doing. :)

  10. Im sure that Ian Holm will be announced as the Older Bilbo
    in another week or less. Rumor has it that Lawrence Makoare
    will portray the Great Goblin. Does anyone know if Sala Baker
    will reprise his role as Sauron. And is Marton Csoka going to return
    as Celeborn. Hope more information will be forthcoming soon.

  11. I thought they’re gonna title The Hobbit and There and Back Again for the 2 films….But they came up the much better unconfirmed titles and this sounds cool…Maybe Jackson will come up with even better titles for the films…..Cant wait 4 this movie….=D

  12. I find this blind faith people have in Peter Jackson to be totally bizarre, the first two LOTR films are brilliant but ROTK was awful, the acting from some was shoddy, there were too many made up bits that werent in the books, the army of the dead were pathetic, the editing was atrocious, the multiple ending thing was just silly, the slow motion way Frodo spoke for the last 20 minutes was dumb and annoying.
    And what about the films he made after LOTR? King Kong was a disgraceful bloated mess of a film that was woefully miscast in almost every way, and I like that a film made 70 years earlier surpassed it completely.
    Then he made The Lovely Bones, again a terrible film.

    He seems like a genuinely nice guy, and he clearly loves the LOTR universe, but I was excited when I heard Del Toro was directing this because he would have made it something truly unique, and all I see here is a LOTR prequel, not a seperate story, they shouldnt be hugely interconnected like this, if The Hobbit cannot exist as a film in its own right, then don’t bother making it.

    • So awful it won 11 Academy Awards. See your credibility? It just went flying out the window.

  13. I loved the The Lord of the Rings triolgy when the first came out years ago. I have read all the books by J.R. Tolken. I love The Hobbit. This sounds like fun. I am looking forward of seeing the movie.