Comments on: Trailer For ‘The Final’: Can Hollywood Go Too Far? http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/ TV and Movie News, Reviews & Trailers Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:02:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: Nero http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-3/#comment-441925 Nero Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:19:27 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-441925 Sounds like a great movie idea. There's nothing wrong with sympathy for bullied kids, it's not like they are killing innocent people. Sounds like a great movie idea. There’s nothing wrong with sympathy for bullied kids, it’s not like they are killing innocent people.

]]> By: Louis Barone http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-3/#comment-243009 Louis Barone Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:48:06 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-243009 I say, this is a film, for entertainment. It should be treated as such. If you don't look at it as such then you are silly. The reviewer, and writer of this article, seemed to write from an extreme personal outlook. I wonder why? The movie does not glorify anything. I think it was an insightful look into the minds of a lot of today's youth. The underlying lesson of the movie is true regardless of its delivery. Treat others the way you want to be treated. That is a concept that has been lost with time it seems... I say, this is a film, for entertainment. It should be treated as such.

If you don’t look at it as such then you are silly. The reviewer, and writer of this article, seemed to write from an extreme personal outlook.

I wonder why?

The movie does not glorify anything. I think it was an insightful look into the minds of a lot of today’s youth.

The underlying lesson of the movie is true regardless of its delivery. Treat others the way you want to be treated. That is a concept that has been lost with time it seems…

]]> By: Wepz http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-3/#comment-189242 Wepz Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:52:24 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-189242 Sometimes when it comes to horror movies.. There is always the impulse to one up the other movies.. or take it to another level. When Shock Horror doesn't shock anymore then there is something more devastating that someone feels the need to make. There's always those movies in their own modern era that "crosses the line". In the 40's you'd never see a movie like Nightmare on Elm street.. In the 70's Chainsaw Massacre made people run out of the theaters vomiting all over themselves- it was canned by critics who were offended and disgraced by the brutally raw savage killing and gore. When those movies become passe and little 10 year olds watch it before bed with no qualms then something is going to give. someone is going to come out with something that is going to make people talk. This is what those film makers are trying to do. They are trying to unnerve and rattle people. When it comes down to it it's a gimmick. If some Goofball takes this message seriously then they would have done something twisted in the first place. Do you have to say the things these film makers are saying to send that message?- no you could show it like you see in horror films millions of times. Monsters are the anti-heroes in our horror movies. We root for them and we say "Oh this person needs to die." "Oh she's going to get it." "I don't like him I cant wait till he gets his".. So, really. What is so vastly different then this? Maybe this is a garbage movie. But we can't come down on a film and tell them "no you went to far." like we're going to revoke their right to make a film cause they're doing what they set out to do- press our buttons. They took a hot button issue and made you care enough about the content to talk about it. Violent ideas in movies- violent actions in movies. What about- Taxi Driver- or Carry?- or the Punisher War zone? Violence is violence period. We gotta look at ourselves a bit and notice that we as fans and contributors to the Horror movie industry create the vacuum that ends up being filled by films or concepts like this. Don't get mad when it happens. Sometimes when it comes to horror movies.. There is always the impulse to one up the other movies.. or take it to another level. When Shock Horror doesn't shock anymore then there is something more devastating that someone feels the need to make. There's always those movies in their own modern era that “crosses the line”. In the 40's you'd never see a movie like Nightmare on Elm street.. In the 70's Chainsaw Massacre made people run out of the theaters vomiting all over themselves- it was canned by critics who were offended and disgraced by the brutally raw savage killing and gore. When those movies become passe and little 10 year olds watch it before bed with no qualms then something is going to give. someone is going to come out with something that is going to make people talk. This is what those film makers are trying to do. They are trying to unnerve and rattle people. When it comes down to it it's a gimmick. If some Goofball takes this message seriously then they would have done something twisted in the first place. Do you have to say the things these film makers are saying to send that message?- no you could show it like you see in horror films millions of times. Monsters are the anti-heroes in our horror movies. We root for them and we say “Oh this person needs to die.” “Oh she's going to get it.” “I don't like him I cant wait till he gets his”.. So, really. What is so vastly different then this? Maybe this is a garbage movie. But we can't come down on a film and tell them “no you went to far.” like we're going to revoke their right to make a film cause they're doing what they set out to do- press our buttons. They took a hot button issue and made you care enough about the content to talk about it. Violent ideas in movies- violent actions in movies. What about- Taxi Driver- or Carry?- or the Punisher War zone? Violence is violence period. We gotta look at ourselves a bit and notice that we as fans and contributors to the Horror movie industry create the vacuum that ends up being filled by films or concepts like this. Don't get mad when it happens.

]]> By: paul_young http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-3/#comment-183853 paul_young Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:08:42 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-183853 Thanks for the comment. I just happen to disagree with you. :) Thanks for the comment. I just happen to disagree with you. :)

]]> By: lj http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-3/#comment-183720 lj Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:47:13 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-183720 Stop being so damn sensitive. I just watched the film and it was great watching the bullies get theirs. If you don't want to see it then don't but quit crying about some very real problems that everyone refuses to fix let alone address. And to compare this to glorifying 9/11 and child molesting is simply a pathetic attempt at scaremongering. Stop it. Stop being so damn sensitive. I just watched the film and it was great watching the bullies get theirs. If you don't want to see it then don't but quit crying about some very real problems that everyone refuses to fix let alone address. And to compare this to glorifying 9/11 and child molesting is simply a pathetic attempt at scaremongering. Stop it.

]]> By: NoNameNoSlogan http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-3/#comment-166472 NoNameNoSlogan Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:05:35 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-166472 Wow...this is my first time on this site and this article makes me want to never return. If you're offended, don't watch it. Our society is extremely f'd up but it's not because of movies and video games. What video game was Hitler playing? Or maybe it was those violent movies he watched as a teenager? Wait, maybe it was the music he was listening to. Wow…this is my first time on this site and this article makes me want to never return.

If you’re offended, don’t watch it. Our society is extremely f’d up but it’s not because of movies and video games.

What video game was Hitler playing? Or maybe it was those violent movies he watched as a teenager?

Wait, maybe it was the music he was listening to.

]]> By: Aknot http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-155640 Aknot Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:03:47 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-155640 I guess it would depend on your definition of "glorify". To me the line is one place, for you another then there may be people that put the line someplace (who dont want movies like AP, or Jack Ripper-Real Life murderer? Mel Gibsons JC movie etc) else. The question would then be where do "we" draw that definitive line? Answer is "we" dont. The line should be drawn with each individual and (oh man looked down I didnt eat my M&Ms yesterday) if people see it people see it. If they don't they don't. The indication if it should have been made or not depends on why it was made, who/how many go see it, AND what they get out of it. "Art" is nothing more then a matter of opinion. Making a movie is a form of art. I guess it would depend on your definition of “glorify”. To me the line is one place, for you another then there may be people that put the line someplace (who dont want movies like AP, or Jack Ripper-Real Life murderer? Mel Gibsons JC movie etc) else.

The question would then be where do “we” draw that definitive line? Answer is “we” dont. The line should be drawn with each individual and (oh man looked down I didnt eat my M&Ms yesterday) if people see it people see it. If they don’t they don’t.

The indication if it should have been made or not depends on why it was made, who/how many go see it, AND what they get out of it.

“Art” is nothing more then a matter of opinion. Making a movie is a form of art.

]]> By: ogb http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-155383 ogb Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:17:07 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-155383 Aknot I respectfully disagree but I know where you're coming from. Haven't seen Seducers/Death Game. American Psycho absolutely does not fall into this category. It's a story about a serial killer. It never glorified what he was doing. And there were much more to it. Same thing with Jack the Ripper. Having said that, I have not seen the Final. The trailer, however gave me that feeling of the movie makers going for the shock value to make a buck. It feels like they're trying to capitalize on the recent tragedies. Sure, war movies do it to but it's respectful for the most part. I know I'm alone on this and I'm not expecting anyone to NOT see it because of the subject matter. My issue was with the whole "who cares, it's a movie" logic. There are some movies that should never be made. Aknot

I respectfully disagree but I know where you’re coming from.

Haven’t seen Seducers/Death Game.

American Psycho absolutely does not fall into this category. It’s a story about a serial killer. It never glorified what he was doing. And there were much more to it.
Same thing with Jack the Ripper.

Having said that, I have not seen the Final. The trailer, however gave me that feeling of the movie makers going for the shock value to make a buck. It feels like they’re trying to capitalize on the recent tragedies. Sure, war movies do it to but it’s respectful for the most part.

I know I’m alone on this and I’m not expecting anyone to NOT see it because of the subject matter. My issue was with the whole “who cares, it’s a movie” logic. There are some movies that should never be made.

]]> By: Aknot http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-155372 Aknot Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:40:35 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-155372 @Ogb, There are many movies out there that fall under your statement. Death Game/The Seducers, American Psycho, Movies on Jack the Ripper, etc and so forth. Not to mention "War" movies. What I find the best to do is if you dont like something do not support it. However do not assume what you do not like and or agree with based on (possibly) your experience, will pertain to everyone and vice versa. There are subject matter movies (fact or fiction) I wont go see. However I will not attempt to stop others from going to see it. That is their choice. @Ogb,

There are many movies out there that fall under your statement.

Death Game/The Seducers, American Psycho, Movies on Jack the Ripper, etc and so forth.

Not to mention “War” movies.

What I find the best to do is if you dont like something do not support it. However do not assume what you do not like and or agree with based on (possibly) your experience, will pertain to everyone and vice versa. There are subject matter movies (fact or fiction) I wont go see. However I will not attempt to stop others from going to see it. That is their choice.

]]> By: Kool Shiek http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-154682 Kool Shiek Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:01:01 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-154682 love the trailer! bring on the pain! love the trailer! bring on the pain!

]]> By: Vic Holtreman http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-154405 Vic Holtreman Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:23:24 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-154405 @me No one is bashing A Clockwork Orange, which was a GREAT commentary on violence and actually supported what we are saying in this article about the possibility of media having the capability of influencing/conditioning people. BTW, for you folks think that what we see and hear has zero influence on us, I guess advertisers are wasting BILLIONS of dollars a year and porn has NEVER caused damage to a marriage or relationship. Vic @me

No one is bashing A Clockwork Orange, which was a GREAT commentary on violence and actually supported what we are saying in this article about the possibility of media having the capability of influencing/conditioning people.

BTW, for you folks think that what we see and hear has zero influence on us, I guess advertisers are wasting BILLIONS of dollars a year and porn has NEVER caused damage to a marriage or relationship.

Vic

]]> By: bidnaman http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-154390 bidnaman Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:07:00 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-154390 any date on the video game? any date on the video game?

]]> By: the old man http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-154370 the old man Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:31:12 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-154370 Seriously says: " First and LAST post on this site." LOL... I'd say only post ever read too. What was with the "Alien" reference? The Alien was a kill or be killed contest, not I'm going to kill the Alien because it gave me a wedgie battle. Drive-by troll... Seriously says: ” First and LAST post on this site.”

LOL… I’d say only post ever read too.

What was with the “Alien” reference? The Alien was a kill or be killed contest, not I’m going to kill the Alien because it gave me a wedgie battle. Drive-by troll…

]]> By: ogb http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-154334 ogb Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:46:13 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-154334 Seriously lol seriously? so the fact that it's fictional makes it okay right? So if someone made a movie about raping and killing a bunch of random women, that'd be okay? You're okay with this because it doesn't directly affect you. What about all the ppl that were directly affected by the school shooting strategies? There's a lot btw. Draw a line, take a stance, pick a side. Sometimes you have to. The "who cares", "it's art" attitude gives freedom to some talented ppl and a lot of sick and messed up people. Seriously

lol seriously? so the fact that it’s fictional makes it okay right? So if someone made a movie about raping and killing a bunch of random women, that’d be okay?

You’re okay with this because it doesn’t directly affect you. What about all the ppl that were directly affected by the school shooting strategies? There’s a lot btw.

Draw a line, take a stance, pick a side. Sometimes you have to. The “who cares”, “it’s art” attitude gives freedom to some talented ppl and a lot of sick and messed up people.

]]> By: Seriously http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-154333 Seriously Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:35:28 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-154333 It's a fictional movie dipicting violence. Wow what else is new? Anyway this film looks creepy and disturbing what a movie is supposed to do. And so what about the killer's motive did I Know What You Did Last Summer make you feel bad for the fisherman when the kids ran him over. Or what about Alien were you supposed to feel sorry for the alien because he was alone on his big, lonely planet. Sorry not happening. First and LAST post on this site. It’s a fictional movie dipicting violence. Wow what else is new? Anyway this film looks creepy and disturbing what a movie is supposed to do. And so what about the killer’s motive did I Know What You Did Last Summer make you feel bad for the fisherman when the kids ran him over. Or what about Alien were you supposed to feel sorry for the alien because he was alone on his big, lonely planet. Sorry not happening. First and LAST post on this site.

]]> By: FarEEK http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-154316 FarEEK Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:43:01 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-154316 I appreciate the fact that despite what we may feel is appropriate, this film looks as if it has taken on the task of testing that feeling. I appreciate the fact that despite what we may feel is appropriate, this film looks as if it has taken on the task of testing that feeling.

]]> By: Beau Ethridge http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-154244 Beau Ethridge Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:23:13 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-154244 the definition of glorify is "to represent as admirable"... Thus, I would have to disagree with you in this context. I think interpretation is the real argument here. We all have different ones... and ultimately that is what makes all of these discussions interesting... thankyou. the definition of glorify is “to represent as admirable”… Thus, I would have to disagree with you in this context. I think interpretation is the real argument here. We all have different ones… and ultimately that is what makes all of these discussions interesting… thankyou.

]]> By: me http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-154237 me Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:57:43 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-154237 >.< this movie looks really good and the only link i see to columbine is the poster bullying is an every day thing its not like those kids of columbine are the ONLY ONES besides that these kids did it the smart way, making the bullies go some where that is closed off and no one will know for a 'party' then torture them. at least they wont get caught for a while looks like a GREAT sick movie and i cant wait to see it. there are movies out there people love and people hate, does any one remember clockwork orange? all the rapes and violence ... are you going to bash that work of art to? cause that was a commentary on violence in Britain. >.< this movie looks really good and the only link i see to columbine is the poster
bullying is an every day thing its not like those kids of columbine are the ONLY ONES
besides that these kids did it the smart way, making the bullies go some where that is closed off and no one will know for a 'party' then torture them.
at least they wont get caught for a while
looks like a GREAT sick movie and i cant wait to see it. there are movies out there people love and people hate, does any one remember clockwork orange? all the rapes and violence … are you going to bash that work of art to? cause that was a commentary on violence in Britain.

]]> By: Jessi http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-154235 Jessi Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:51:45 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-154235 Ken J says: November 16, 2009 at 8:28 pm "What a bunch of idiots. People like those Columbine idiots aren’t trying to “teach a lesson.” They are satisfying their own twisted fantacies. If someone wanted to “teach them a lesson” he would go in front of class one day and blow his own brains out." yeah i know you are talking about jeremy there but that really happened, and the thing the kid said before he blue his brains out was "i got what i was looking for" .... if a movie is made about this kid it will be over glorified. Ken J says:
November 16, 2009 at 8:28 pm
“What a bunch of idiots. People like those Columbine idiots aren’t trying to “teach a lesson.” They are satisfying their own twisted fantacies. If someone wanted to “teach them a lesson” he would go in front of class one day and blow his own brains out.”

yeah i know you are talking about jeremy there
but that really happened, and the thing the kid said before he blue his brains out was “i got what i was looking for”
…. if a movie is made about this kid it will be over glorified.

]]> By: the old man http://screenrant.com/the-final-movie-columbine-pauly-34543/comment-page-2/#comment-154109 the old man Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:50:26 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=34543#comment-154109 Everyone censors themselves to some degree unless struck with something like a psychopathic illness or a chemical imbalance. So we as individuals abridge our own freedom. Societies abridge our freedom too. We can't build here we can't smoke, curse, protest, etc, etc. Society will also only tolerate so much artistic license. Look here for some material on the matter. http://www.csulb.edu/~jvancamp/freedom3.html http://dulemba.com/2009/02/senate-nixes-nea-funding.html http://www.heritage.org/research/budget/BG1110.cfm Society has been arguing about it for a long, long time. Perhaps they always should. If the issues are made forbidden fruit, then their potency as attractors is increased. If you pick one of these issues and discuss it, at an appropriate time with your children, you reduce that potency. staunch the allure. Everyone censors themselves to some degree unless struck with something like a psychopathic illness or a chemical imbalance. So we as individuals abridge our own freedom. Societies abridge our freedom too. We can’t build here we can’t smoke, curse, protest, etc, etc. Society will also only tolerate so much artistic license. Look here for some material on the matter. http://www.csulb.edu/~jvancamp/freedom3.html
http://dulemba.com/2009/02/senate-nixes-nea-funding.html
http://www.heritage.org/research/budget/BG1110.cfm

Society has been arguing about it for a long, long time. Perhaps they always should. If the issues are made forbidden fruit, then their potency as attractors is increased. If you pick one of these issues and discuss it, at an appropriate time with your children, you reduce that potency. staunch the allure.

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