‘The Dark Knight Rises’ Could Feature Another Major Villain

Published 3 years ago by , Updated February 15th, 2014 at 4:30 pm,

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Just yesterday, we learned from Gary Oldman that The Dark Knight Rises would somehow tie back to the first film in Christopher Nolan’s trilogy - Batman Begins. This corresponded with previous statements made by Nolan which indicated that he was interested in somehow bringing closure to Bruce Wayne’s story arc within the trilogy.

Oldman’s comments also gave more weight to recent rumors that The Dark Knight Rises may feature Talia al Ghul and the return of the League of Shadows. Although those same rumors explained how Bane and Catwoman could factor into the proceedings, it turns out a major plot point may have been left out…

Earlier today, Oldman was talking  Batman once again – this time at the premiere of Red Riding Hood. “If I told you who the villain was, they’d kill me,” said the actor cautiously when pressed for details by E!.

Now, I know what you’re thinking – Oldman simply doesn’t realize that the villains have already been announced and that at this point it’s common knowledge. Except that he followed up by saying:

“I think it’s a villain from one of the old, old, from way back from the old comics … It is a Batman villian… It’s not going to be the Joker.”

Looking back at the library of Batman comics, Bane was created by Chuck Dixon, Doug Moench and Graham Nolan in 1993 – that’s hardly “way back.” Catwoman did make her first appearance in Batman #1 in 1940. However, Oldman goes on to say that Anne Hathaway “will probably wear the cat suit pretty well” – so it’s unlikely he’d tease the identity of this villain only to reveal it a few moments later. And that’s pretty common knowledge anyway.

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I suppose it’s possible that Oldman isn’t particularly well-versed in Batman’s mythology and he doesn’t know that Bane is a fairly recent addition to the Caped Crusader’s rogues gallery – but if he knows that Catwoman’s role has been revealed, then he must also know that Bane is no secret either.

So who is this mysterious classic character he’s referring to? Will The Dark Knight Rises feature a third major villain that Nolan and Co. have thus far kept us in the dark about?

If that’s the case, what vintage Batman adversary fits the bill? I think many will venture a guess that Hugo Strange will be featured in some capacity, despite debunked rumors to the contrary. Still – when The Dark Knight was in the earliest stages of development, wasn’t there a fair bit of misdirection regarding whether or not Harvey Dent would actually become Two-Face in the film? If they’re trying to keep a secret, denials are pretty much par for the course.

There’s also the matter of Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s unspecified role in the film. If they’re staying even remotely true to the comics, my feeling is that he’s a little bit too young for Strange. In terms of classic villains, Levitt seems like a better match for The Riddler, but I really think Nolan was being serious when he insisted he wouldn’t appear in The Dark Knight Rises.

Many fans are convinced that Levitt will be portraying Alberto Falcone – which would be another way to help bring this saga full circle. Falcone’s first appearance was in 1996, though – making him an even newer character than Bane. If they really wanted to revisit territory explored in Batman Begins, there’s always a chance that Ra’s al Ghul could return. But if that’s the case, no one’s told Liam Neeson yet.

The notion that Bane could be a supporting player in The Dark Knight Rises and the real villain has yet to be revealed is certainly an intriguing one. However, this is also starting to feel like a very crowded roster. We’ll keep you updated on how this develops.

Let the speculation begin…

The Dark Knight Rises hits theaters on July 20, 2012.

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  1. I am not a huge Riddler fan… but I think Joseph Gordon Levitt would make a great Riddler. Really looks just like him.

  2. Hugo Strange.

  3. Okay. I’m starting to have some doubts. We saw how too many villains were detrimental to Spiderman 3 and Batman and Robin. Nolan might be a great director but it’s beginning to sound like he’s lost his way here.

    • You are just now having doubts?!

      Look,while I absolutely love the first two movies,it just seems like if these rumors are true,it could end up being brilliant,or end up a total mess.Nolan is an excellent director,but even he has a breaking point.

      It’s starting to look more and more like Nolan might be biting off more than he can chew with this project,as it is just looking way too ambitious for one single movie.

    • Difference being though those villains were put into the movie for the sake of being put into the movie.. The studios forced Raimi to put Venom in even though he didn’t want to. So he had to fit him in.

      Batman and Robin- the filmmakers were pressured by the toy company profits and merchandising to put more characters. So, they did so..

      But if Nolan puts in a great story and it happens to have some great characters playing their roles. If they fit into a well meshed story then you have something great.

      I don’t think lots of characters automatically dilutes a story. As long as they aren’t jammed in there.

      If you think about it- The Dark Knight had 4 different villains. Two-Face, ScareCrow, Joker, and the Mob Bosses.

  4. I still have faith that Nolan included characters that were organic to the story. Like I said, this DOES sound like it’s getting a bit crowded – but if anyone’s familiar with the Contagion arc from the comics I think that’s a good example of how Bane might be utilized if there is in fact another villain.

    In that story, he’s basically inherited the role that Ra’s al Ghul wanted Bruce to accept. He acts as a sort of general to his army and I can see something very similar working in TDKR.

    Bane can still be an important character even if his screen time is somewhat limited – and Hardy would certainly make the most of every second that he’s there.

    I actually prefer that scenario to be honest, because the previous plot rumors we heard sound like a direct sequel to Batman Begins and honestly – I’m not convinced that’s the best way to follow up The Dark Knight.

    I suppose only time will tell.

    • wow man you know your sh**t , the third villain needs to be Ra’s al Ghul coming back and the introduction of the lazerist pits. Who knows this main not be the last batman film.

    • Don’t forget that Scarecrow was introduced in 1941 and has been in both of the other movies so far. i doubt they would have JGL as him instead of Murphy (or go to that well this many times), but he is an early foe and was in the earlier movies.

    • I think Dark Knight Rises is going to be a direct sequel to Batman Begins and a direct sequel to the Dark Knight at the same time. I think it’s going to be a smart mix of both movies.

  5. Black Mask is plausible in the Nolan world, but 1985 isn’t going way back and JGL doesn’t fit that mold well. Super assassin Deadshot was 1950 and possible in the Nolan-verse. Penguin was 1941, but not very likely.

  6. I’ll list some that I know of from the way back era:

    -Calender Man
    -Deadshot
    -Clayface (longshot)
    -Firefly
    -Cluemaster
    -Mad Hatter
    -Joe Chill

    • Joe Chill died in Batman Begins. He was the guy that killed Bruce’s parents. Falcone had him assassinated before Bruce could kill him.

      I honestly want the mad-hatter.

      • Mad-Hatter would be good… Not a very well known villian.

        • They could use the actor who played Mad Hatter in recent Alice in Wonderland movie for that :D

    • Calendar Man would be EPIC.

  7. If they made a strong effort to keep this villain a secret, to me that suggests a bigger name than Bane. I’d still love to see Hugo Strange since that seems like a character that Nolan would have a tremendous amount of fun with.

    There’s also a chance that Oldman is severely confused after fielding these questions all day, every day.

  8. JGL could be playing:
    1. Alberto Falcone/Holiday (as seen in The Long Halloween)
    2. Jean Paul Valley (Azrael)

    • i thought that too but i doubt they would end the trilogy with batman out of commission and someone else being the hero

  9. I love how people get worried when nothing confirmed yet. it obvious Gary knows nothing about batman. he could have gotten it mixed up.

  10. Everyone forgot when before bane was announced nolan said it would be a villain thats a mix of hugo strange and deadshot.. i’m convinced Talia gets the league of shadows back and with that Nolan will make deadshot the new leader of the league with talia (consider how deadshot’s skills could be learned by training with the league the only difference being he is willing to kill where Bruce Wayne was not.) so while batman is trying to track down catwoman (for burglaries) bane AND the league are studying him or vice versa.
    another theory i have is that talia actually hired Bane so She could study him and wait to send in deadshot but bane is too smart to work for anyone else..im excited

  11. I’m going to toss my hat in and say it is unlikely they will go for Hugo Strange. Given Bane’s presence, and that he is said to be more than just a henchman this time, I imagine Nolan will steer away from Strange due to being too similar to Bane’s cleverness.

    Jean Paul Valley is unlikely unless Nolan wants to set it up for someone to do a Knightfall related movie later. However, we already know that Nolan wants to wrap this up as a trilogy.

    I think we can rule out anyone with an overtly ridiculous costume for now. Mad Hatter, Penguin, and the Riddler are too over-the-top to mix well with Bane. Deadshot could work, but it would feel forced to throw in an assassin on top of Bane.

    I would guess this secret villain will have a great deal to do with Gotham’s organized crime. Alberto Falcone seems the most likely to me, at least of those mentioned above, as it ties in so well with the rest of Nolan’s series. It just makes sense to have a mob boss initially reach out to Bane to “break the Bat.” Then have Bane become obsessed with the challenge, possibly leading to him screwing over the mob in order to get at Batman.

    Toss in some of the Falcone-related background for Selina Kyle, and it just makes more and more sense.

    However, I think it is more likely that Nolan may try to tie Bane to the League of Shadows in some way. The tie-in to Batman Begins will either be through the League, or through Falcone. I’ll put money on that much.

  12. there’s waaayyy too much rumors going on
    and some of the people working with nolan are deliberately misleading everyone. great way to increase hype

    i’m still going with JGL for riddler, but i seriously doubt it
    either way, i’ll still watch the movie

  13. NO RIDDLER AT ALL.. NONE

    BUT E. NIGMA that’s another story!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

  14. Deadshot would be a great, but I highly doubt it will happen. I think we just have to give it a little more time before we keep throwing speculations.

  15. One thing you guys are forgetting with your Deadshot theory is that he was already addressed in Batman: Gotham Knights. Although, it’s animated it counts as canon.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Gotham_Knight

    • ever since BB i’ve been interested in how literal nolan displays jungian archetypes, if it was deliberate or not. I’m no expert on it but it helped me understand the wide cast, somewhat, but definitely appreciate more.

      Regarding what Oldman says, i think he might be either part of the rumour starters, or victim to the rumour starters, or just not informed, or just a case of miscommunication. I’m keeping my money on bane, catwoman, talia and alberto.
      i support bane as the villain who comes out on top over other villains (even though he doesnt start out to be). To me he seems he would balance out the more serious-personality villains(like Ra’s) and the more theatrical villains. I’d like him to break the bat but not sure when a good time in the movie that it would happen (at the start is too early, haven’t built characters enough, middle? maybe but healing would fill up the climactic part, and near the end would not work either). What could he break? (breaking his moral code, and a loved one have been done in TDK)
      Catwoman would be the one who’s indirectly involved with everything either deliberatley or by accident, triple-crossing as someone mentioned, making love triangles and whatnot. She is the ‘outcast’ jungian archetype that could make her attracted to the currently also outcast
      batman.
      I’d like to see Batman get in it with Talia, cause i’d like catwoman to stay an outcast forever (no rules chick who’ll never settle down but wouldnt mind playing and teasing). It would seem bad for batman’s publicity at first (killing Talia’s dad then running away with her) but i suppose it would take an awesome act of his redemption, as well as him saving her from a life with the league, for them to seemingly rise together but nolan can throw in a shakespearian separation-by-fate act in there to keep everyone sane
      As for falcone – in the past two movies the mob bosees were used as pawns for the supervillains, I guess thats why they’re called supervillains. I’d like nolan to throw something extra in with JGL’s character, since he’s younger (and therefore more creative? cunning?), and played by a more well known actor. He could be a mixture of archetypes (not uncommon with Nolan) but would most probably be a scapegoat.

      Another thing that has crossed my mind, is there still debate over this film’s theme colour pallette as opposed to brown/orange for BB and dark blue for TDK? i was always wondering what would go with those past two colour palettes, and now i’m thinking the pattern was to do with the time of day, eg dusk, night, dawn.. (the (k)night is dark as just before the dawn.. the dawn is coming! damn i could write an essay on this)..but what colour is dawn?

      • Sorry about replyng to you Nick i hadn’t realised until i posted it

      • deep. nice.

  16. Am I the only who thinks the villains should just be announced as soon as they’re finalized by the studio and the production team? We’re all going to know who they are by the time the film comes out. I know it’s “to build hype,” but really, no hype/anticipation about the film is lost after the villain’s announced. They don’t have to announce casting. So just let us know; it’s really more than annoying tan anything else.

  17. if liam neeson DID come back…0_0

    • Then all the “realism” in Nolan’s universe would be thrown out the window.

      • Not really. Did they ever show his body? And this is Ra’s…..he never dies.

        • IMO, that’s just hopeful speculation. Like when everyone still thought Two-Face was still alive after his death was made obvious. Neeson has even mentioned that he hasn’t been asked to return.

  18. its the muffin man for sure!!!

  19. I think JGL will play either Falcone, Azreal, Nightwing, or the new DA/Mayor.

    As for this new news, i say either Ra’s could come back, or Scarecrow (if Goldman is trying to make us think comics when he is talking about the films) or he is bluffing.

  20. I think its Talia

  21. honestly i’d like to a realistic killer croc or poison ivy, she could be a bio terrorist…..here’s a few others:

    firefly
    harlie quinn(i know, not gonna happen, but i can dream right? lol)
    clayface
    scarface
    penguin
    thats all i can think of lol

    • Harlie Quinn. We need to see an interpretation of her in a batman film!

  22. Are they going to act like the joker never happened he almost destroyed almost of Gotham I hope they somehow close the door on his story I mean they did catch scarecrow at the beginning of the dark knight

    • They caught the Joker too… At the end of Dark Knight. NEVER was it implied that he escaped. NEVER. He is locked away in the asylum or perhaps they deleted the scene where he falls to his death like Jack Nicholson.

      • I hope that the joker had fallen
        to his death it would end his “story”

        • There is no deleted scenes, at least from what Nolan said. The no deleted scenes commented derailed any chance of them being used in this one.

        • No way! You don’t kill The Joker. That was one my biggest complaints about Burton’s film was that he foolishly killed The Joker.

      • What’s always been amusing about that Joker falling scene in Dark Knight is how his leg wasn’t pulled right out of its socket. At the very least, he’d be hurting very badly, if not without that leg.

  23. ever since BB i’ve been interested in how literal nolan displays jungian archetypes, if it was deliberate or not. I’m no expert on it but it helped me understand the wide cast, somewhat, but definitely appreciate more.

    Regarding what Oldman says, i think he might be either part of the rumour starters, or victim to the rumour starters, or just not informed, or just a case of miscommunication. I’m keeping my money on bane, catwoman, talia and alberto.
    i support bane as the villain who comes out on top over other villains (even though he doesnt start out to be). To me he seems he would balance out the more serious-personality villains(like Ra’s) and the more theatrical villains. I’d like him to break the bat but not sure when a good time in the movie that it would happen (at the start is too early, haven’t built characters enough, middle? maybe but healing would fill up the climactic part, and near the end would not work either). What could he break? (breaking his moral code, and a loved one have been done in TDK)
    Catwoman would be the one who’s indirectly involved with everything either deliberatley or by accident, triple-crossing as someone mentioned, making love triangles and whatnot. She is the ‘outcast’ jungian archetype that could make her attracted to the currently also outcast
    batman.
    I’d like to see Batman get in it with Talia, cause i’d like catwoman to stay an outcast forever (no rules chick who’ll never settle down but wouldnt mind playing and teasing). It would seem bad for batman’s publicity at first (killing Talia’s dad then running away with her) but i suppose it would take an awesome act of his redemption, as well as him saving her from a life with the league, for them to seemingly rise together but nolan can throw in a shakespearian separation-by-fate act in there to keep everyone sane
    As for falcone – in the past two movies the mob bosees were used as pawns for the supervillains, I guess thats why they’re called supervillains. I’d like nolan to throw something extra in with JGL’s character, since he’s younger (and therefore more creative? cunning?), and played by a more well known actor. He could be a mixture of archetypes (not uncommon with Nolan) but would most probably be a scapegoat.

    Another thing that has crossed my mind, is there still debate over this film’s theme colour pallette as opposed to brown/orange for BB and dark blue for TDK? i was always wondering what would go with those past two colour palettes, and now i’m thinking the pattern was to do with the time of day, eg dusk, night, dawn.. (the (k)night is dark as just before the dawn.. the dawn is coming! damn i could write an essay on this)..but what colour is dawn?

    • Dawn is Pink…LOL. Seriously though, it is. Maybe Blue and Orange – combine the first 2 (hey, I’m a Denver Bronco fan.)

    • You said alot of things just now…

  24. It could be Falcone?

  25. Maybe the Red Hood?

    • I was thinking that too, or maybe Deadshot. He was introduced back in 1950?

  26. Another villain? That’s already following the formula of Spiderman 3 and we all know how that turned out.

    • But Nolan has proven that he knows how to balance characters.

  27. For the people worried about to many characters, TDK had a large cast, and nolan pointed to the movie Heat as inspiration on how to tell a deep story with a large cast of characters, so it can be done. The great films like The Godfathers and Lord of the rings were able to web together multiple story lines and characters for an added depth of immersion, and I thin it is something nolan will try to capture, so its easy to expect a long run time and hopefully a character driven action drama. Just because the movie has more bad guys doesn’t mean its an automatic screw up, its done before, and nolan would ne one to get the formula right.

    • You can add Harry Potter to the list of successful movies with large casts too lol

    • That’s true – TDK was definitely more of an ensemble. But since this is Nolan’s last Batman movie, I think a lot of people are hoping that the focus remains on the title character this time.

      So I can see how some would be concerned that too many characters are going to get in the way of that.

  28. I reckon the villain is “Tom Cruise”… for taking Katie Holmes away from the second movie ;o) LOL

    • LMFAO!

    • Why, her absence was a good thing. Her “acting” in BB was just painful to watch, remains the only aspect I don’t like.

      • Her acting was painful, but I personally think overall, she was better than Gyllenhaal, who makes it near impossible now for me to watch Dark Knight. For me, it’s the lesser of two evils, and so while, Holmes wasn’t right for the role (too young, for one), she did fit the character better than Gyllenhaal, whom — while she is a better actress — is hard to look at, and it’s hard to believe that Bruce Wayne, the Joker and Harvey Dent would find her attractive.

        The actress playing Rachel Dawes need not be GORGEOUS, but at least on a level of beauty as Bale, Eckhart, etc., are handsome.

        Worst of all, Gyllenhaal had zero chemistry with Bale. I thought that Holmes didn’t, but then I saw Dark Knight.

        • Have you seen Maggie in Secretary? She is hot in that movie. Just watch until the end!

          • I’ve actually liked (or not minded) Gyllenhaal in other movies. I thought she worked well in “Stranger Than Fiction.”

            Also didn’t mind her in “Donnie Darko.”

            So, despite what it seems from my rants here and there, I’m not a Gyllenhaal hater. I just thought she was wrong for the Rachel Dawes role. I didn’t particularly like or hate Katie Holmes, but I felt she was wrong — but once I saw Maggie in Dark Knight, I was wishing that Holmes didn’t turn down the role.

        • Agreed. Holmes was better than Gyllenhaal. I just never understood why the character Rachel Dawes is even in the movies. She’s not in the comics. Anyway I am l really looking forward to this last Batman movie from Nolan. He is a genious with a big cast so I am not worried. Spiderman 3 had a lot of characters but they just were not written into the story correctly. It could have been way better with the same cast.

    • lol

  29. I think it should be Egghead