‘The Dark Knight Rises’ – SR Underground Ep. 49

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The Screen Rant editorial team is back with episode forty-nine of the Screen Rant Underground.

Join host Ben Kendrick as well as fellow SR editors Rob Keyes, Anthony Ocasio, Kofi Outlaw and guest Ben Moore for this special edition of the Screen Rant Underground podcast as we review The Dark Knight Rises and discuss what we’d like to see in future Bat-sequels as well as the inevitable Justice League movie.

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Screen Rant Underground: Episode 49 - The Dark Knight Rises

In episode 49, a special edition of the Screen Rant Underground podcast, we review The Dark Knight Rises and discuss what we’d like to see in future Bat-sequels as well as the inevitable Justice League movie.

[0:00] Review: The Dark Knight Rises (read our full written review)

[43:44] The Dark Knight Rises SPOILERS conversation (check out our full spoilers discussion)

[1:57:38] Mailbag, Twitter Handles, and Contact Information

Hosts: Ben Kendrick, Rob Keyes, Anthony Ocasio, and Kofi Outlaw (with special guest Ben Moore)

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Bonus: Check out the first of our onsite Comic-Con 2012 video blogs – where Anthony, Ben, and Kofi discuss Screen Rant writer Paul Young’s experience with the Walking Dead Escape challenge. Check out the video below or head over to our full Screen Rant vs The Walking Dead Escape: A Comic-Con Experience write-up.

Please Do Not discuss Dark Knight Rises SPOILERS here! For discussion of the film, head over to our Dark Knight Rises SPOILER DISCUSSION page.

Use the comment section below to continue our various discussions by weighing in with your own thoughts – or just to let us know what you think of the show. Also, don’t forget to vote in our weekly Screen Rant Underground poll.

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  1. Awesome!! I have been waiting for this for a few days now ;)

    • Sorry to keep everyone waiting today. I decided to go back in and fix a few audio glitches.

      Hope everyone enjoys the episode!

  2. I agree with you Kofi how Nolan sort of tricks people and how Bane is presented as a henchman. I walked in the move with the notion that Bane was the mastermind and then he is completely undermined in the end.

  3. As far as where they take the Batman franchise from where Nolan left it, I would actually prefer they use some villains who haven’t been used yet. Batman’s rogues gallery is rich with movie fodder villains for plots both intricate & grandiose. Enemies such as Lock-Up, Man-bat, The Ventriloquist & Scarface, Hugo Strange, Lady Shiva, Black Mask & Hush would make for great stories. I can see a massive trilogy unfolding involving Lock-Up, Hugo Strange, Black Mask & Hush. Especially the latter 3 since they all had involvement with Bruce Wayne’s parents. Hush & Strange both know Batman’s secret identity as well. They could even add a criminal mafia underworld element with The Ventriloquist/Scarface, Black Mask & even The Penguin I guess. In the more recent comic titles, Penguin became a big businessman who was heavily into the mob underworld.

  4. I say they just make a Batman Beyond movie. That would be awesome and present a new take on the Batman mythos.

  5. It’s really funny cause most of the guys talking know nothing about batman mythology:D

    • Thedarkknightofcups –

      Is there something specific you’re trying to address?

      Most of our guys were avid Batman comic/graphic novel readers – it’s basically the only reason we have Kofi on the podcast ;) If there’s something that was misconstrued, I’m sure we’d be happy to clarify it.

      That said, just wait until we do a review of the Care Bears reboot – I’m stooped in Sunshine Bear mythology.

      • No offense guys, but it sounded like you guys were just throwing out random facts when addressing how John Blake was a composition of the first three Robins. Dick Grayson was once and police officer and probably the best detective among the three. Jason Todd’s mother was a drug addict and his father was killed by criminals, Tim Drake figured out Bruce Wayne was Batman (in the comics, he figured it out when Robin did a quadruple somersault only capable by Dick Grayson).

    • I really don’t think that it’s all that funny. Even if were true, it still wouldn’t be all that funny.

      You’re the reason Whitney got a season 2. Live with that fact. I bet you loved Work It! on ABC. SAY IT! SAY IT!

  6. Joker was a man without a plan…Bsne isnt…Maybe

  7. Is this on itunes it? Mine is’nt downloading.

    • I actually downloaded it from iTunes about an hour ago – it should be there.

      • Still not getting it. I toy with it some and see what happens.

        • Never mind, I got it now.

  8. Aw, my foot story ain’t in there and I wasn’t in the hotel for the video. Sad panda in Canada.

    At least it’s healing.

  9. Hey guys, loved the Podcast.

    I wanted to know your opinion with the sorta disconnected scene, post-sex scene with Miranda Tate, where Bruce is stroking her back and BAAAM, Quentin Tarantino rapid cut of a detail of a scar…? I mean was that supposed to make us question her “character”? Or what?

    • I believe that was just a small piece of foreshadowing of where she came from, you were not supposed to actually figure out her past from that little piece of evidence.

      • Gooch
        Yea Nolan did quite a bit of foreshadowing. I counted four winks that Miranda Tate is not who she seems before the reveal.

        1) She says “You have to invest if you want to restore balance to the world” -Ra’s thinking
        2) The scar on her back which is a League of Shadows symbol
        3) When Bruce comes back to Gotham she says “Do all that is necessary”
        4) Her lines about Bruce failing and becoming a recluse because of his energy project were more about his false victory in Gotham.

    • It was the same scar The League of Shadows was gonna brand Bruce with in Batman Begins.

      • I wonder why Bruce never questioned/suspected her when he noticed the mark..
        Like you said, there were a lot of hints that Miranda was not really who she said she was, and with Wayne being the world’s greatest detective, I kinda thought he’d have figured out who Tate was… or at least have some sort of suspicion…

        • They were four very subtle hints for the viewer, not Bruce. The lines were so well placed and off-hand you wouldn’t notice.

          • I dunno man, I for one would definitely notice a mark on a chick’s back who I just slept with… ;) especially if it’s the same mark that would’ve been burnt onto my skin as well.

            But aw well, it’s not a major thing. Definitely didn’t bother me while I was watching (it was about a day after I saw the movie when it first dawned on me lol).

        • But this is clearly not the version of Batman that’s the world’s greatest detective. He’s exemplified very few detective-esque traits in any of these movies. Alfred and Lucius have done most of the work on that front.

          • That’s a fair point.
            But I’d like to think that Nolan’s Batman would at least have the brains to figure out that the mark burnt onto Tate’s back is the same mark that would have been burnt onto his skin as well.

            I kinda agree with you guys when you said Tate’s real identity should have been revealed earlier in the film. They could have included a small “tell” (Bruce squinting his eyes when he noticed the mark or something) that shows that he suspected who Tate was, but before he could confront her, he went off to confront Bane that night (and we all know what happened after that).

    • Hey Carlos,

      Truth be told, I forgot about that but will look for it when I rewatch.

      If what Ignur Rant says about it being a League of Shadows marker is right, then that’s pretty cool but I think Wayne would have noticed that.

  10. I can’t remember but did you guys touch upon the topic of how exactly Batman survived the explosion? I’m still pondering over it.

    • I think he survived cuz after he lifts off out of the tunnel in front of Gordon he shoots the building then flus through the smoke but uou never see a shot of batman again after that. I’m thinking he ejected himself during te explosion he caused.

      • You see a quick shot of a cockpit with him in. it with 5 seconds left on the bomb. its been discussed. that the shot was of batman in a different bat aka the grey one that Fox was examinin. he may of switched bat after the explosion and watched from the distance. nobody would. have saw cause they would concentrate on the cloud .

  11. I think they should continue the series but start a story using Hugo Strange in the way was used in “Batman Arkham City” another trilogy . And bring back joker and introduce Harley Quinn. Penguin would be a good villain to introduce also

  12. Love how the Tumbler ‘p**ped out’ the Batpod! ^^

  13. I just started listening to you guys, your great. Your informal yet casual and your back and forth banter is fun. Also you guys have strong opinions and are honest about what you think.

    On topic, I went to see d. knight rises and I think it fell into the trap most 3rd installments make by going big but losing focus, most notably in this film focus on cops which I didnt really care for. I liked it but not as much as begins or the first d. knight as it lacked focus on the main character(batman) and his villain(bane) and I even liked catwoman, but everytime they interacted was great but inbetween scenes of others took away from that.
    Only other complaint is the john blake character guessing batman so easily and that sometimes batman in the later half of the movie wasnt done as well as other films where he takes people out.
    And the ending was…well satisfying but not as best as it could be I think. Thats all though.

    • john Blake guessing Batman’s idenity was a throw back to Tim Drake deducing Batman’s idenity.

      • yeah but tim drake monitored batman for a long time and such.
        john blake said bruce showed up once at the orphanage and he could tell at first sight because they lived similar falsehoods.
        I get it but I felt it was a bit of a leap…

        • Not really. Tim Drake saw Robin do a Flying Grayson manuever and was able to figure out Bruce was Batman. All in one issue. He was only mnitoring Batman becuase he realized he is more vioent w/o a Robin.

          IMO Blake wasn’t sure Bruce was Batman until he saw Alfred & abruce’s reaction.

  14. The way i saw the ending with JGL was being set up to take on the role next. He could be the batman Nolan spoke of that would fit in with a possbile justcie league film. Or they could go diffemtly and do a nigth wing movie that would be diffent. I’m hoping for the justice league film my self.

  15. Love these podcasts. Can’t wait to listen to it. Been waiting for it. A nice listen on my drive home soon.

    • :)

  16. If I’m not mistaken, to talk about what you said at the 25 minute mark, about having Batman not be around for 8 years. In the movie, they mention that it’s been 8 years since the last CONFIRMED sighting of the Batman. When he meets Miranda Tate at the ball, she mentions how he invested money in her project and then when it “didn’t work” is when he went into hiding. I don’t think he was gone for all 8 years.

    • She was referring to the fusion reactor thing.

      • Remember though, Wayne kept saying that the Nuclear reactor “didn’t work” to everyone else outside of Lucius Fox.

        • Uh, right, which is why she thought it didn’t work?

          • I think she always figured it would work but she said that “a man doesn’t invest half his fortune in a clean energy project and goes into hiding when it doesn’t work.” She said that to him at the ball. He wasn’t gone the full 8 years.

          • I think she always figured it would work but she said that “a man doesn’t invest half his fortune in a clean energy project and goes into hiding when it doesn’t work.” She said that to him at the ball. I don’t think he was gone the full 8 years.

            • John Blake says to Gordon “Eight years ago, the night of Dent’s death, the last confirmed sighting of the Batman.”

              That says it all to me.

  17. I wonder if Bane’s “that IS a lovely voice” line was ad-libbed. That was such a funny line.

    When I first saw the ending, I really had no idea how I felt. I had myself convinced since January 2011 that Bruce was going to die. I don’t think I’m ready to accept he lived as funny as that sounds. Part of me subscribes to the theory that Alfred imagined Bruce and Selina at the cafe, but I think that’s stretching a bit.

    There was a scene in the film when Alfred tried to convince Bruce to share his Batcave stuff with the Gotham police. I took the scene with JGL at the Batcave as a followup to that. I’m not sure if Levitt will suit up, but he will use Wayne’s technology to continue to serve the people of Gotham.

    I do think Bane got Boba Fett’d at the end. I don’t know what’s worse. Getting punked out by a blind Harrison Ford or having Anne Hathaway blow you away with a Batpod.

    The Joker thing you guys mentioned would have been SO awesome. I understand why Nolan didn’t want to do anything, but I think something should have been done. It just seems kind of weird that after having such a profound effect on the city, he would just disappear like that.

    Loved Scarecrow’s cameo. That was great.

    • Hardy must have seen Ghostbusters prior to filming that obviously, lol

  18. First time listening to a podcast I listen to a little bit at a time while at work. can’t wait to finish it at home. great work guys.

  19. At minute 26 you talk about him being Batman for like a year and a half. If you read the new book they just released: “The Dark Knight Manual” it says that he was Batman for 5 years before the beginning of The Dark Knight.

    So 7 years of training.
    5 years of batmanning until the beginning of The Dark Knight.
    However long the events of TDK was.
    8 years.
    At least 5 months of TDKR, maybe longer?

  20. I usually love your podcasts, but for a movie that for the most part you all really liked, I’m kinda sad that you spent about 80% of this podcast nit-picking and criticizing it.

    • I noticed that too when I was editing. Sometimes when we’re recording it’s easy to lose track of that balance – since we’re just being candid.

      I think we all enjoyed it and, for the most part, tried to bring up some things we really liked but we were trying to wrap our heads around the things that didn’t work as well, I suppose.

    • That tends to happen a lot in big films we spend a lot of time reviewing. There’s only so much you can say about how cool The Bat is, vs. deconstructing a character arc or story thread. Unfortunately, breaking stuff down takes more time.

      • Yeah I get that. I was just pumped to hear what stuff you guys thought were cool and interesting (and there were tons of awesome/satisfying moments and plot points) and instead heard a lot of negativity. In fact, if you eliminate the opening part where you guys all gave the movie some pretty good ratings, just by listening to the rest of the podcast, it could be assumed that you all thought the movie was horrible. All good though, love the site and keep up the good work.

  21. I am not a big fan of podcasts but you guys did really great at this one. Even made me laugh a couple of times. Thanks for the enhanced two hours you guys provided me with. Batman IS the greatest superhero of all time and this trilogy is by far the greatest of any Batman movie yet. It’s an instant classic. Great job guys.

  22. Bane was the brain and the brawn. Talia was just his motivation.

  23. I always like listening to the podcast. Even when I don’t agree sometimes, it’s always entertaining. I’m with you on this one. A good movie, but there are problems.

    This episode on TDKR the Screen Rant gang noticed some things that I missed…… even more plot holes than I caught while watching in the theater. Mixed messages between this film and the last one, the motivation problems with the Miranda Tate character, and the eleventh hour reveal of her identity ……. Bane’s motivation and backstory. I wouldn’t call this nit-picking. You guys are intelligent film critics and your incite on this movie gets a thumbs up from me.

    You shouldn’t be afraid of the fanboys getting their bat-jammies all in a twist. Once the batfever calms down in a few weeks they’ll begin to see the inherent flaws of TDKR too. Then later you can sneak back in and lower the rating……. HA!

  24. It’s so weird actually seeing you guys haha

    • Everyone but me :(

      • You still have a b****in last name though, budd.

  25. The film gave no indication that Bane wasn’t the mastermind behind everything. Talia could have simply asked bane to help her destroy Batman and Gotham. And Bane could have said, “Yea, I know how. Leave it up to me.”

    • Of course!

  26. And as for Talia being the worst kept secret, it may have been for us movie and comic book fans. But for average Joe out there who dont follow film productions, that was a major surprise for them

    • I knew she would be Talia, but I didn’t know she would be the child who escaped the pit. Which I should have because the actress who originally signed on to play young Talia dropped out because her mom wouldn’t let her cut her hair.

  27. Just as a disclaimer: We’ve taken some heat for criticizing the movie, BUT, we did start out by adimitly stating that whatever bad things we say, we are talking about a trilogy of films that are heads and tails above most other films.

    We do acknowlege that we’re nitpicking greatness.

    • I notice that there was no disclaimer for criticisms of Iron Man 2 and not for Green Lantern either. Those movies had flaws, and you identified them.

      TDKR has flaws, and you are correct in assessing them in an open discussion. This why I like Screen Rant.

      Why the ivory tower for this movie. What’s going on?

      • I think the comments were reflecting the observation that that the negative talk was not in proportion to the actual flaws of the movie.

        Sure, TDKR is not a perfect movie. But the staff even admitted to liking the movie (overall), so spending a majority of the time nit picking flaws just doesn’t really represent the actual quality of the film.

        The two examples you used were appropriate. The podcast review felt a lot like this was green lantern, or Iron Man 2, and I don’t think any of the staff would maintain that those movies are on par with TDKR.

    • I’m confused by how its nitpicking grestness. so it saying its far better than say ironman. or X-Men CD? It saying its just pretty good by nolans standards?

  28. Listen, I initially thought that the plot twist reduced Bane to a henchman role. But the more I think about it, the more I think that he is not merely a henchman. Revealing that Talia was involved in the plot against Gotham doesn’t erase everything theat Bane accomplished and was capable of prior to the twist. Talia could not have accomplished the destruction of Gotham on such a massive scale without the hlp of master terrorist/mercenary Bane.

    Bane is established as an international terrorist capable of overthrowing governments (Alfred tells Bruce that Bane lead a coup in Africa and the CIA is already aware of him). I think there is enough textual evidence to suggest that Talia enlisted Bane’s help to create and execute a large portion of her plan because she is well-aware of Bane’s expertise and capabilities.

    Bane can be considered a sort of second-in-command but not a henchman. Bane executed (and arguably planned) 80% of the plot. Talia was responsible for the creation and acquisition of the fusion reactor, but that’s it. Bane kidnapped Pavel, raised an army of followers (who were loyal to him, not Talia)infiltrated Gotham, destroyed Batman, destroyed Gotham’s infrastructure, instigated a social revolution, and implemented martial law. Bane is portrayed as a badass in his own right.

    Perhaps Bane would have gone and overthrown a bunch of other dictatorships and governments on his own before being asked to destroy Gotham by an old acquaintance. Talia contact Bane, says “Hey Bane, you’re good at destroying stuff. Will you help me? And by ‘help me’ I mean do pretty much everything for me?” Bane, having forged a bond with her in the Pit, replies “Ah! Yes! Destroy stuff? Help you? Prove I’m better than Ras al Ghul? Of course!”

    • I agree with basically everything you said. He wasn’t a henchman at all, in my opinion.

    • Agreed.

    • You can’t fool me. Bane might get a bad wrap because of his eccentric appearance, but really he’s just a sensitive guy who fell in love with a little girl while in prison and followed her thereafter, hoping to be “more than friends,” until he would eventually come to cry in front of Batman.

      He’s just a big ol’ Teddy Weddy Bear. Talia was the bad influence.

    • I completely agree. No where in the film it implies that Bane is barely a henchman, or otherwise for that matter.

  29. Ok, I’ve been thinking about Christopher Nolen’s position post TDKR. I have friends that used to work for Warner Brothers in Burbank….. no longer. And they’ve said they will never go back there. According to them, WB has more bean counters per square inch than any other spot on the planet. It’s not a creative powerhouse. It’s a money making juggernaut. As far as I know accountants are not good at creating art. So if you make a Batman movie for WB they don’t care about loyalty to the character….. continuity, creativity….. non of that. Just make a crap load of money and keep it under budget. It’s all about the profits. So Nolen was up against that when creating TDKR.

    Marvel on the other hand is run by comic book fans…… they want to make a profit too of course, but they are comic geeks first. Disney owns Marvel, but they are rumored to have a hands off stance with Marvel. I don’t know how true that is. I have no contact with Marvel here in Socal. And I’m pretty sure that “hands off” attitude would change pretty quick if Marvel put out some real box office dogs. The problem with making a Marvel movie, and this is why they run through directors like they’ve done, Marvel cares a LOT about their characters, and about their Marvel Universe continuity. They’re going to be all over their directors when it comes to creative decisions in plotting and character development.

    It’s a different kind of pressure applied than the bean counters at WB.

    Do you think Nolen would be a better fit for a Marvel movie?

    • Probably not. Nolan does’nt seem like the kind of director who would want to work within guidelines and restrictions and stuff.

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