Thanks for the link. I’ll check it out. I’m always up for some background info and details.

The below url at MovieViral is where I read all about this.

http://movieviral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=903

You don;t need to sign in to read it only to post comments. Good site (from what i can tell) for more movie info after you’ve already been thru ScreenRant

where can I read the pre-Bale version of Terminator 4?

If you have not heard or read about how the official initial story for Terminator Salvation was supposed to play out then do so b/c you will certainly be suprised at how different and at the same time how similiar they are.

I don’t want to ruin anything for anyone who may not have seen Terminator Salvation yet but if you have then if like me you wondered what the deal was with the 4 human (non-machine) looking outlines or shadows that appear fro a brioef few seconds on an upper floor (in the background) of the area at Skynet CIty where they unload the humans and cattle heard them (this is the point in the movie where Kyle first gets off the HK Transport and is looking around), then by reading the plot of the pre-Bale version of the film our at least a summary of it you’ll get an idea of what those outlines most likley were.

As a side note on Terminator 3 & 4, I alwasy felt a little dissapointed by T3 even though I liked it and that was because it was more of a rehash of part 1 & 2; the same basic story with different twists. I was really hoping for a glimpse at the war itself; the future. This is also why I probably liked T4 more then most, because it finally bnroke the storyline rut that Terminator had become by part 3.

*sigh* You need to go back and watch the GOOD Terminator movies again…

“The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.”

25 days separate when Skynet goes online and when it becomes self aware and turns of humans. During which time Skynet performs as the military had wished it to perform. They didn’t put it online to subsidize everyone’s anti-virus programs like in T3, it was put online to fly military aircraft, to carry out missions. It was put online to defend our borders from enemies. It wasn’t some closet antagonist that was waiting to go online to carry out some evil computer plan to take over the world like in T3… It only turned on humans when we tried to kill it, and we only tried to kill it because we realized the danger of having such a powerful computer system being self-aware… So believable, so chilling… That whole virus scenario was pretty humorous. I’m not the only one to think so, everyone I know who have seen the movie, even those who enjoyed it, admitted that that sequence was pretty unbelievable and pretty funny.

“Oh dear god Jim, there’s a new virus spreading quickly. Should we release a definitions update so everyone’s anti-virus program will clean or delete this infection?”

“What? Where’s the fun in that? Let’s release some super powerful experimental and untested artificial intelligence program and allow it to spread like a virus itself uncontrolled. Let’s learn from the French when they tried to eliminate their frog problem with bigger frogs to eat them…”

Yaaaaahhhhhhh… Riiiiiggghhhtt……

Anyway, again, this is just my opinion, if you enjoyed the movie, that’s great for you, but don’t try to claim like the stories are the same, facts are facts. They are definitely 100% different, but I’m not saying one is worse than the other, I’m just stating that fact.

Never make the mistake that anything T3 showed has anything to do with T1 or T2. In T2, the T1000 impaled the T800’s “power cell” as the Terminator himself referred to it as. And no, they never claimed to have two. When asked about how long he lasts, he states something like “One hundred and twenty years with my existing power cell.” The auxiliary power that he switches to afterward is not equal to the original, it’s really just an emergency backup and he probably wouldn’t have lasted too long on it anyhow.

T3 is its own animal, it’s what Jonathan Mastow imagined up. That’s why I’ve always said that T3 should have been its own movie. Now I’m not making any judgments about it being worse or better, but it’s definitely different. I definitely didn’t like it, but that’s my opinion. Just listen to the T800’s explanation of how Judgment Day came to be in T2 and then compare that to T3’s version of how Skynet goes bad. Notice they are completely different. Mastow had a different vision for Terminator than Cameron did.

So if you’re asking about what happened in T2 and what kind of power source the Terminator has WITHIN THE UNIVERSE set by T2 and not by T3 or T4, then yes, the T1000 impaled the T800’s power cell in that scene. And no, it does not explode when it’s damaged. And I highly doubt Skynet would be so dumb to make a design with a big giant bomb inside of the Terminator’s chest…

Look at T1. That Terminator was burned, then blown to bits by dynamite, then the entire body except for the arm was crushed by an industrial press. It was enough to damage the chip and as you can see from the electrical archs, damage its power cell. And yet, no big kaboom there either. That whole dual exploding nuclear power pack thing started with T3.

And about the Terminator designations, that was another thing that began with T3. They were NEVER referred to as T101’s in the rogiinal two, or by any description given by James Cameron. And since they are fictional and invented by Cameron, anything he says is the absolute truth. He can’t technically be “wrong” about it. According to James Cameron, the Terminators in T1 and T2 are both T800’s, Cyberdyne Systems Model 101. According to him, the T### is the actual endoskeleton type, and the Model ### is only if they have external skin applied and that number specifies its appearance. So this means that there could be a T800 Model 95 that is technically identical to Arnold’s Terminator in the films but will look different on the outside. And in a scene from T1, you see one of these terminators infiltrate the rebel camp he was in. It wasn’t until T3 where they decided to shorten it.

Arnold’s hair will not affect it’s T### since that’s talking about the endoskeleton only. The difference in his hair can be easily explained. Difference in style at the time they were shooting the movie, lol. The reason his hair was like in T1 in T4 is because they modeled the CGI Arnold in T4 after how he looked in the first one. They found a full body casting they did for T1 and digitally scanned that into the computer to make the Arnold in T4.

@ M-cat
I dont know about Ken J but i just used my middle initial cause any other username i tried was already used. From what my friends and i have learned about the models is Arnold’s version is known to be T-101 series/T-800,T-850. In the first film, that terminator was T-800 programed by SKYNET & the T-850 shown in T2 & T3 were T-850’s re-programed by the human resistance. Two ways i was told you could tell them apart would be 1.In the first film Arnold’s hair is down. In T2 & T3 his hair was up. 2. scenes of terminator’s vison in red are different between the first film and T2/T3. And in Terminator Salvation, Arnold’s hair is down as it was in T1 aswell in the beginning of the film Bale’s connor mentions the T-800 when finding the model design on a computer.

Who knows, but obviously “bigger bang” = “cooler” according to most, I mean, who wants to see a power cell fizzle when it can explode in a mushroom cloud?? lol.

the terminators in T2 and T3 were different models I thought. i thought that was why one cell exploded and the other didn’t.

He DID impale his fuel cell, that was the point of it. The first time he intentionally (or accidentally) missed. That’s why he pulled it out, but the second time he nailed it. Yep, you’re thinking what I’m thinking, no kaboom like T3 or T4 claims, nor should there be. He had to reroute to auxiliary power to come back on. And yes, you also notice it wasn’t like a seamless transfer from one to the other like in T3 either. So much more realistic and believable, just like T2’s explanation of how Skynet and Judgment Day came to be… But I guess they were two different types of movies. T1 was a serious action movie, T2 was a serious drama/action, and T3 was a not so serious semi-comedic big explosions action movie, just not any type of action I enjoy… But that’s just my opinion.

I always say a movies take should pass the budget domestically to be a success, but that’s just me.

Maybe I’m missing something here but if the movies Production cost was $200 million and it’s box office take nation wide was 371 Million, how then is that a failed venture?

You can verify both of these numbers at http://www.boxofficemojo.com

That sort of all depends on how you think about time travel.

Let’s say we take the first movie on it’s own, forget about the others. That would suggest that time travel is cyclical. This means that there was always a time travelling Reese who was the father of John. Therefore the John that sends Reese back in time is the same one conceived by Reese, there’s no first John and no alternate timelines, it’s all one timeline. This makes sense in the context of only the first film since having Reese be the father contradicts nothing of the known future at that point.

If we take the other timelines into account though, that doesn’t quite fit since there is change to the timeline and alternate realities need to be brought forth (i.e, Judgement Day is no longer in 1997). As such, Ken’s explanation would work, the first John was conceived by a different father and simply grew up to lead the resistance and why not, and then the subsequent John, conceived by Reese is named John because that’s what Sarah knows her future son’s name to be and is brought up as a fighter.

That’s one of the many time travel paradox’s that plague the Terminator franchise, but it actually can be explained. Kyle Reese doesn’t HAVE to be John’s father. If Kyle haven’t been sent back, Sarah could have met someone else who would have became his father. So the only thing that would change because of Kyle is his appearance.

Of course the one thing that can’t be explained is how John would have been raised. Because of the events of T1, Sarah Connor raised John to be a fighter, showing him how to fire weapons, fly helicopters, etc. etc. So without the events of T1, would the more “normal” John Connor really be fit to lead the resistance against Skynet? Maybe, but there’s no real way to know…