[UPDATE: Justin Lin has dismissed this as just rumor. For more on that, click HERE.]
“I’ll be back” jokes spread like wildfire throughout the movie blogosphere when word got out that Arnold Schwarzenegger is officially attached to star in Terminator 5. If current insider information is to be believed (always a tricky proposition), then the ex-California governor won’t be the only familiar face returning for the fifth entry in the Terminator franchise.
A reportedly legit source is saying the “entire original cast” is attached to the Terminator 5 pitch that is currently making the rounds. Given the nature of the Terminator mythology, that begs the question: Is this new entry being fashioned as a partial reboot of the franchise?
Latino Review says that Terminator 5 is tentatively titled Terminator 2012 and “involves time travel to the present day.” The implication is that the film will feature an older version of Sarah Connor who is still alive in the year 2012 – a move that would literally invalidate the events of both Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and Terminator: Salvation, as well as the even more convoluted timeline for The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
Linda Hamilton would be the most likely “original cast” member to return for the fifth Terminator flick as Sarah Connor – and Edward Furlong could also be in line to appear as an older John Connor, even though he isn’t technically an “original” Terminator star.
Assuming this report is true, however, it’s probably safe to say that Michael Biehn isn’t attached to reprise his role as Kyle Reese in Terminator 5 – if only because that seems too far a stretch, even for a series as enamored with time-travel paradoxes as the Terminator franchise (“seems” is the key word there).
Schwarzenegger, Hamilton, and Furlong in 'Terminator 2: Judgement Day'.
“Reboot” has become an almost dirty word in the movie business nowadays, but that is exactly what the next Terminator film is poised to do to the franchise (assuming the aforementioned report is true). It wouldn’t be a complete reboot in the vein of upcoming comic book flicks like The Amazing Spider-Man or Man of Steel, but – as Latino Review was apt to point it – Terminator 5 could use time-travel to reboot the series in a fashion similar to J.J. Abrams’ Star Trek.
Therein lies a problem, though: the use of time travel in the last Star Trek movie effectively wiped the slate clean (by freeing up events in future installments from having to occur in a pre-destined manner), and managed to avoid any significant gaping plot holes in the process. Frankly, I struggle to see how Terminator 5 could do the same, especially since the timeline for the franchise is already confusing enough.
But the bigger issue I have with Terminator 5 right now is whether or not it’s actually a good idea in the first place. I’ve heard from a number of fans who are already pumped to see Schwarzenegger back in action in a new Terminator movie – and a significant number of people who’d rather just leave the franchise to rest in peace. So it really does depend on who you ask.
Even if Terminator 5 with Schwarzenegger ultimately does fail to come to fruition, the former action star will still keep plenty busy in the future. He’s selected Cry Macho as his return to live-action fare and is actively developing the Governator cartoon series/comic book/3D movie. So Arnold fans, rejoice! The man is definitely back (for better or for worse).
As for Terminator 5 – what do you think? Does a semi-reboot sounds like a good idea? A bad idea? Do you even want to see this franchise continue?
Source: Latino Review
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should be a sequel to Salvation > cause it was that Good.
Better to have the 5th film follow T3 & T4.
I feel the story isn’t complete. Do the humans really win the fight? I do want to see the end of the story… but I prefer it end with Cameron writing and directing it of course. I feel only the original writer can complete the story truly… but thats probably unlikely. I really wish he kept with the series and finished it himself but thats only wishful thinking…
Cameron already felt he completed the story with Terminator 2 (where it should have ended). At least that’s what I’ve read.
I feel the same way Meshell but like you said its unlikely. I read how Cameron originally planned to make one Terminator film actually. The T-800 being the protector & T-1000 being the assassin as seen in T2 were intended to be for the first film but the effects for T-1000 wasn’t around yet so cameron waited 6 years for that idea to be a sequel. I forget where i read it from.
I’d rather have the producers/director reboot the film as a whole, COMPLETELY! each sequel just seems to mess up all of the events that had taken place in the previous film. So whether it’s a continuation of T:S or a replacement of T3, it’s still gonna end bad, with or without Arnold. Don’t even get me started on Edward Furlong! I would’ve loved seeing him reprise his role as John Connor in T3, but he didn’t, and after seeing him for the first time on film in the Green Hornet, I can’t even imagine seriously considering him for a role in the T-series. Washed.up.douche.
@ T-bag
I rather have the franchise be done than be rebooted at all. Thats just my opinion though.
Scapegoat, the resistance in T4 should have never been seen above ground in the daytime. Its established canon that humans NEVER went out during the day. It was too dangerous.
T-Bag, I hope I never live to see the day Terminator is completely rebooted. Having us relive the events of the first two Terminator films with a new cast, should be a cinematic felony.
In the future, (if we have one) I can see laws passed that regulate how many times a franchise is rebooted. It will be called the Terminator act of 2013.
@ 790
T4 was the beginning of a new trilogy of they get to the point of Skynet sending back the T-800 & Reese voluntering to go back to protect Sarah. I thought if a 5th & 6th film would follow, things would get to the point where the resistance would stay down by day & move around at night. If remember the film well, Reese & the kid were known to try to stay outta sight in the city, aswell as the people at the gas station. They may not of been part of the resistance but still people who hid during the day. Id hate to see the Terminator franchise be rebooted at all, & if does i doubt i’ll be paying money to rent it on dvd. Im already startin to stop seeing some remake’s/reboots anyways.
On a technical note, I doubt a sentient computer bent on world takeover cared what model T-800 it sent back. It seems it just took the first one of the line and threw it down to 1984.
If were talking reboot then NO WAY! And to be honest, from what was said this doesn’t sound like a partial reboot at all to me, it sounds like a progression in a story which has always involved time travel, where it will be played out from the other perspective of future to past not past involving future.
It should be set before T3, prior to Sarah Connor dying of cancer (worst character write out ever btw), I never watched the TV series and don’t think it has any bearing on the films. I like Linda Hamilton coming back, I don’t like Edward Furlong coming back, might as well use the other guy from T3 now that he’s established, even though he was terrible.
I don’t love this idea in general, the series has been screaming to get into the future since Judgment Day and, while the first installment wasn’t amazing, it’s been brought into that future setting now so why keep going back to what’s been done? T3 wasted enough of everyone’s time, the only worthwhile parts really were seeing Skynet take command, the concept of a “Get to safety” programmed terminator and watching that play out, otherwise is was poor script, wooden acting and straight out insults to the first two films (Please see first 15mins of T3 for examples).
Incase you can’t tell I think a whole lot less of T3 than I did of T4, the film never should’ve happened!
You guys realise that Cameron filmed an ending that showed Linda Hamilton as an old Sarah Connor in a park watching Johns kids playing as if Judgement day never happend.
Why didn’t he include that in the final cut? Because he felt the ending should be left open.
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@Josh in Parra, Sarah Connor dying of cancer makes sense when you consider her being spiked by the T-1000 in T2. Every molicule of that Terminator was a part of whole that easliy would have left a few radioactive particles behind, enough to cause cancer.
“T3 wasted enough of everyone’s time, the only worthwhile parts really were seeing Skynet take command”
Wow that was the entire film. So what were the wasted parts? The first 15min showed how easily the www could be hacked by Skynet.
The get to safty parts were completly logical when you remember the name of the film. It was called RISE of the MACHINES. That means when they take over didn’t you know?
It totally sets up the future war.
Reading some of the comments that’s what the fans want to see.
Not without James Cameron. Not having him back was the reason the last two movies sucked.
I want to see a continuation from Terminator:Salvation, and I’d like to see more Christian Bale (and maybe a ‘digitized young’ Michael Bein?), rather than bring back Linda Hamilton or Edward Furlong. I thought that McG and crew did a great job of making the story relevant again. Honestly, the worst film in the series (to me) is #2, with Schwarzenegger as a glorified teddy bear. (Keep Cameron away!) Salvation also setup some interesting concepts in the usage of Worthington’s character (that maybe the machines were sending machines back to deal with John not only to “our present”, but also to his early days in the Resistance). I’m perfectly happy with Schwarzenegger lending his image for an all-digital Terminator, if needed. There are 3 other models of Terminator we’ve now seen. They can write stories focusing on those (or new ones), instead.
@ damonous
I too would like to see the 5th film follow from Terminator Salvation w/ Christian Bale instead of bringing back Linda Hamilton & especially Edward Furlong. I have to disagree about T2 being the worst film in the series as T3 imo would be despite Arnold’s better Terminator performance.But i get what you’re sayin but it was part of the story Cameron had. The more Cameron & Arnold are involved, the better imo. Cameron stated he enjoyed Terminator Salvation more than he thought he would as Arnold & his family gave the film thumbs up. Reason im against this semi-reboot for the 5th film is because after T2 & having a cyborg like the T-1000 in it, how can you top that with a different, better cyborg for the T-800 to go up against in the past again? I recall people weren’t really impress by the TX in T3. Imo, id like to see franchise progress more post-judgement day as the war against the machines gets more complicated as laser weapons could be developed in the film, and maybe in the 6th film the Time-Displacement equimpment would be developed by the machines to send the T-800 back with Reese to follow back to 1984.
We should have an online organization that raises money to pay Hollywood NOT to make a movie.
I said that about the three stooges movie!
I don’t normally get worked up over much, but being a Californian in the wake of this idiot’s “Governorship”, I can’t help but want to punch him in the head every time I see or hear of him.
Sorry…but this IS Screen RANT
@ nowhereman
Yea, Screen Rant for movies/tv shows. Not politics.
So you think Jerry Brown is doing a better job ??????????????
You know, I was pretty dead-set against this thing at first… but the possibility of ret-conning T3 and Salvation out of existence… it’s just too tempting to let pass. I’m all in favor of this! I’ve missed Arnold as a movie star (he was a hell of a lot better at that than he ever was at politics…), and if they can come up with a good story to explain away the crappy Terminator films while establishing a solid foundation for a “T3 Redux”, this could actually be pretty entertaining!
My only problem with this is the director attached. I would have loved to see Cameron come back and try to straighten out his own franchise, but instead we’re getting the guy behind Fast Five. I haven’t seen that, so I can’t really judge him yet… but then again, I hadn’t seen U-571 before I saw T3, either. But this guy can’t be worse than Mostow or McG, can he?
God, I hope not…
(Oh, and I’m cool with getting Arnold and maybe even Linda Hamilton back for this film, but for God’s sake, I hope they don’t call Edward Furlong in for a reprise. Furlong’s not much of an actor these days, and he’s become kind of a pariah, for good reason; besides, Connor is a ripe part for a young leading-man type, and they still haven’t really exploited the character’s potential in the films [Nick Stahl was a whiny joke, and Christian Bale got screwed by a crappy script and no character development]. It’s about time they cast an adult John Connor who can actually live up to the legend.)
@Darik
LOL, my thoughts exactly. There’s a great chance it’ll suck or at least not be that good, but I really can’t wait to see it if it’ll be a slap in the face for Terminator 3 and 4… Especially 3…
I totally agree with you on John Connor, he was such a whiny little wimp in T3 that I was seriously rooting that he died while watching that movie…
@ Darik
Imo i rather have the 5th film continue from T4 & the director makes sure its better. Id hate to see T3 & T4 ignored over another time-travel flick cause what can possibly can a T-800 go up against in the past that could top the T-1000 honestly? T-X failed to impress people in T3 by example. It’s just that id like to see more of post-judgement day war get more intense,hopfully made as seen in flashbacks in the first two films to where it got to the point both Reese & the T-800 go back to 1984. And imo, i thought both Edward Furlong & Nick Stahl played John Connor as a whiner. I agree about Bale, i felt his character didn’t get much screen time but realize T4 was intended to be the start of a new trilogy.
I agree with you about not being able to top the T-1000 100%. The T-XTreme-13-TypeR was actually a step down from the T-1000, by far. But I disagree that John Connor was a whiner in both movies. In T2, he had an annoying voice, but he went out there and got things done, he took action and made decisions. The John Connor in T3 just ran and whined and had to have his butt saved (by a girl no less) like a million times in the movie. I mean, seriously, I thought it would be funny if at one time he falls and is all scared, that his 10 year-old self from T2 would jump out, save his ass, and then tell him to stop being such a p***y. That would have redeemed the movie in my opinion. It was already cheesy enough, might as well make it a full-fledged parody…
@ Ken J
Reason why John probly whined more so in T3 is, well put yourself in his place, in T2 he didn’t believe at all what his mother Sarah warned him about, his destiny etc., Like everyone he didn’t believe her till he almost got killed. In T3, he whined because he lived off the grid for so long & feared the the machines could try again despite Cyberdyne being destroyed. In T2 John had his protector around more than John in T3 did. What was annoying in T2 was John acting if the Terminator could be so human enough to be human that he cries over the terminator being terminated at the end.
@WW
Actually, by the time T2 has occurred, Connor has lived “off the grid” quite a bit with his mother before she was busted trying to blow up Cyberdyne. He talked about hanging out with people in South America learning how to use weapons, fly helicopters, etc. etc. And he actually seemed like he misses those days. No reason why that would “distress” him to the point where he becomes a total p***y…
@ Ken J
Yeah, but in T2 even if with John living off the grid w/ his mother before she got busted & hanging in South America learning how to use weapons, fly helicopters, etc, he did get back on the grid later when he ended up with his foster parents. And all that training he took, he probly got a kick outta of for a kid his age. Still as he was talkin to the terminator, he mentioned like everyone else who didn’t believe his mother’s warnings, he didn’t aswell until his first hand experience in a crossfire between the two terminators in the mall.
@WW
I don’t know if you just don’t remember too well or what, but he HATED his life with his foster parents. And he never said he never believed his mother. He believed her all through his childhood, but when she got arrested, they convinced him that she was crazy and none of what she had taught him was true. That’s when his opinion of his mother came crashing down. There’s absolutely no reason why the discovery of how true her statements were would turn him into a total pansy. Even during T2, obviously the second he met the Terminator he realized all of it was true, yet he was still pretty thrilled about the whole experience for the most part. He was definitely a boy of action and excitement in T2, nothing like the little pansy that can’t even run without tripping over himself that the character was in T3…
@ Ken j
In T3 John wasn’t total pansy. He was shooting at the TX in more than one scene in the film & terminator commented on his & kate’s conversation being good as being good as it relieves tension & fear of death. John didn’t pick of a gun or anything in T2, all he did was get money from atm, unlock a vault & teach the T-800 to be more human. Even Sarah acted the same as John did in T3 in the first film cause John’s older in T3 than he was in T2 so he’s more aware about his destiny. If i was in his shows, after the event’s of T2, id still wonder if it was really over, and if i lived off the grid i too wouldn’t feel safe.
I’m sorry, we’ll just have to agree to disagree, because I don’t even remember how many times while watching T3 I said to myself or at least thought “come on stop being such a p***y!” to John Connor. In T2, he’s supposed to be 10, do you really expect him to pick up an AK47 and start shooting at a Terminator made out of liquid metal that he knows wouldn’t even be tickled by it?? It’s not about picking up a gun or not, it’s by how quickly he thinks on his feet, how proactive he is at making decisions, etc. In T2, John Connor made the decision and ORDERED the T-800 to help him rescue his mother from the mental institute. When he’s trying to escape the mall where the T-1000 first tries to kill him, he doesn’t fumble and trip all over the place waiting for someone to help him up, he gets the heck out of dodge while the T-800 and the T-1000 are busy duking it out, he gets on his bike, and rides away, off the main roads, to try to get away. He helps the T-800 reload his shotgun in the mental institute escape, he again ORDERS the T-800 to go stop his mother from killing Miles Dyson, he helps with the destruction of Cyberdyne, etc. etc. You see, he is always doing something, always contributing what he can. In T3, he’s just the damsel in distress that needed saving all of the time. Even the female character, forgot her name, Kate something right? Even she was more of a badass than he was and she looks like she weighs 100 pounds for crying out loud…
And while Sarah was the literal damsel in distress in the beginning of T1, that was because she was caught off-guard and had no clue what was going on, didn’t know who she could trust, didn’t know if Kyle Reese was crazy or not, etc. But once she realized what was happening was real and that Kyle was really there to protect her, she became a much stronger character almost right away. John is supposed to be a very resourceful and brave person. That’s why he grows up to be the leader of the resistance and not anyone else. He also got plenty of training and preparation as a child thanks to his mother, so there’s absolutely no reason why he would become such a pansy in T3. Imagine after Judgment Day. Most everyone is dead, machines are taking over the world. That’s definitely out of his comfort zone. So you’re saying he’s supposed to become the leader of the resistance by being so traumatized and being as much of a pansy as he was in T3?? If living off the grid can traumatize him that much, imagine living in a post-apocalyptic world…
@ Ken J
Yea, i remember him whining when the Terminator said it wasn’t a mission priority to get his mother. Or him keep reminding the terminator why he can’t kill people. He wasn’t pansy in T3 cause he fought back, only thing is after what happend T2 that he went through as a kid he’s older now, knows they’d try again if he lives on the grid, he won’t have his mother around & can count on another protector makin it’s way to him before the the other one does. Of-course he wouldn’t want to be the future leader as he’s destined to become cause he’s hopeful they took care of any chance that would lead to that point. So its easy for anyone to feel as he does on a future they don’t want if they dont feel they’re ready for it. But at the end of T3 John accepted his destiny, and as seen in T4 turned out to be a hard a$$ soldier who’s bound to become leader very soon by film’s end when he had everyone listening to him throughout the film. People change, like on the uncut version of T4 when Blair Williams informed Marcus about how she felt guilty for surviving judgement day but decided she can fight for something. I forget exatly what she says.
@WW
Um, riiight, remember what you want to remember. He didn’t “whine” when he wanted to help his mother. He suggested the idea and the Terminator held him telling him she’s not a mission priority. He HIT the Terminator (of course to no effect) and tried to pull away, told him “F-You! She’s a priority to me!” Yah, that’s the same as him falling on the ground and looking scared while a girl comes and saves him… I guess everyone I know, and the majority of the people here are just imagining things, you’re the only sane person in an insane world, lol. Like I said, we’ll just have to agree to disagree, because if you refuse to acknowledge this one fact, then there’s no reason to go back and forth…
Justin Lin directed Freddy vs Jason. So, yeah I’d say he’s a worse director.
@ Bobby
Freddy Vs. Jason was directed by Ronny Yu bud.
@Darik,,,
“I’ve missed Arnold as a movie star (he was a hell of a lot better at that than he ever was at politics…)”
I disagree, he was brilliant in his performance that he actually wanted to help the state of California and its people. His acting skills as a politician that couldn’t be corrupted and stood for the truth was flawless, his best performace yet,,,
Now let’s sit back and let him cons us again into another crapfest Terminator sequel.
I could really appreciate a new Terminator movie. As I see it, the series effectively ended after 2. The awful retcons commonly known as 3 and Salvation don’t deserve to be the final say in what started out as a really awesome series.
I have my dubious concerns, like Arnie being a whole 20 years older since the last one came out. I don’t know who the director is yet, but James Cameron’s vision remains the paramount experience for me.
Otherwise, I remain optimistic about this endeavor.
“T2: Judgment Day” not t2: judgEment day”, do your research.
Why would they call it T5 anyway?? “T3″ was just a spoof film… like Scary Movie, Spy Hard, Hot Shots etc
The only reason “T5″ should get the go ahead is if Cameron writes and directs, which he isn’t. Two films have already gotten green lit which didn’t involve Cameron and what happened? They turned the first one into a comedy… not even a good one. A shrink-inator who wants his patients to talk to his hand. A writer that totally ignores stuff like Connors age. Since according to T3 the events of T2 took place in 1998 which would mean Judgment Day had already occurred. A female terminator that gets orgasm from licking human blood. Not to mention totally frakk up Camerons amazing H-K designs.
Fast forward a few years and they do the same thing again, only worse, much worse. They actually try and make a “real” terminator film and not some comedy spoof crap. And they fail, on every single level. As if the terminator designs weren’t frakked up enough in T3, they actually managed to make it even worse. T-600′s with attached minigun to their arm, O RLY?! I’m pretty sure Kyle Reese said something about them being easly spotted because of their rubber skin…. not some huge ass gun attached to their freaking arm, or the fact that they are as big as a bus, more or less. The music, oh my god the music. Did anyone actually hear that f-ing garbage???? Where the hell is the amazing terminator theme that was so iconic in both T1 and T2? Apparently for T3 they forgot it and just added it to the end credits at the last minute or so. As for Salvation who knows what the hell they were thinking. The music is great, honestly, but, yes there is a but, of course there is. But……. not for a terminator film. Would be like make a rap theme for an Alien film, or a blues theme for the new Transformer film. Not having the terminator theme in a terminator film is like make a terminator film where the terminator don’t kill anyone, wait a second… didn’t, oh my god, they did, didn’t they? Oh god how stupid can you possibly.. Almost forgot they did do that in Salvation those idiots.
“Oh look we have Kyle Reese our #1 on our hit list in our skynet death camp, so what should we do, oooh I know, NOT kill him, great idea”. Or what about the part where the T-800 gets a hold of Connor and he just throw him away instead of simply breaking his neck? W.T.F.
Cameron had already all this planned out… and what do they do? Totally frakk it up. Take Skynet, it gets mentioned quite a bit in the first two films, it is like the ultimate evil. And not only that but also very smart. Cameron picked Cheyenne mountain for skynet’s HQ, something would survive a nuclear blast. T3 writers apparently thought turning the internet into skynet would be a smart move. But no, big no-no. Very stupid, almost as stupid as oh I don’t know perhaps make Skynets HQ a lone skyscraper in a very flat industrial zone, oh and perhaps make it really bright, especially at night, so you can’t miss it. Oh yeah those frakking retards did that for Salvation… another “smart move”? I think not. Even the Sarah Connor Chronicles is faaaaaaar faar better than T3 & T4 combined. Mostly because of summer glau’s brilliant performance. Instead of wasting hundreds of millions on the crap fest known as Terminator Salvation a lot of people, myself included would much rather have gotten a few more seasons of TSCC. They spend what, around 20 million on season 2? 200 million or whatever they spent on Salvation would have given us 10 more seasons of TSCC, that is the very definition of “epic fail”. Also bear mccreary composed some really awesome music for the show. At least that really sounds like “terminator” unlike elfman’s god awful garbage.
OMG, other than you saying frakk all of the time, are you actually me??? I agree with almost all of that.
“A writer that totally ignores stuff like Connors age. Since according to T3 the events of T2 took place in 1998 which would mean Judgment Day had already occurred. A female terminator that gets orgasm from licking human blood. Not to mention totally frakk up Camerons amazing H-K designs.”
You do not know how much that made me laugh, LMAO, but the sad thing is, you’re completely right…
And you are also right that T3′s version of Skynet taking over was so retarded. It was so overly simplified, turning Skynet simply into an entity trying to take over the world on a whim. It really would take a simple-minded person to be impressed by that wannabe-post-internet-era-relevant take on it. Just because we have hit the age where the internet is so crucial doesn’t mean that you can just say Skynet is on the internet and all of a sudden that’s clever…
The original chain of events as described by the T-800 in T2 is still the best and the most believable. Scary thing is, you’re seeing some of those things happening right now in real life. That’s how realistic it was. You’re starting to see more automation in our war machines, and you’re starting to see how computer controlled aircraft can potentially have a flawless flight record. T2′s description is so solidly grounded to reality that it is actually very chilling even to hear it unfold. Like I said, it’s almost like James Cameron saw some of these real events coming because so far it’s completely accurate.
About TSCC, I liked the first season, but wouldn’t compare it to the movies. Sure it was a bit more coherant than T3, but that’s not really saying much at all. But honestly, season 2 seemed like it fell apart. The pacing went all over the place when they kind of strayed off on a tangent with Sarah Connor’s dreams and what-not. I understand the show is called Sarah Connor Chronicles, but the main story arc with John and his pet Terminator was definitely more interesting. They did end the second season with a bang though, gotta give them that much, and the revelation of Shirley Manson’s character’s true intentions was a fairly good twist I must say.
@ not John Baum
Lol. Oh Please, in T3 the Terminator was just imatating what one guys does later in the film, just as the terminator repeats what a gang leader says in the first film. I don’t see what Connor’s age has to be a big deal because Furlong was 13 at the time T2 was filming when his character was 10 yrs. Cameron even thought he’d should of made the character the actor’s age lookin back at it, seeing what john knows & does later in the film. Imo i think 10 year old wouldn’t be as calm as him really. 2003 was just the year T3 came out, doesnt mean Judgment day occured. T4 on the otherhand does imply that judgment day happens in 2004 & the rest of the events of that movie are shown in the year 2018. The TX licking blood scene as you know was to find out who’s dna, Primary target: John Connor. And the H-K designs were the early models of those machines. If you look really hard, the mini guns aren’t attached to the T-600′s, they’re detachable. They weren’t that big nor did Reese give a good detail discription of them anyways in the first film. The music, you must be blind & deaf, cause the opening credits open almost the same as the first terminator film, & sounds the same as it comes to a close. T-800 was prototype in T4 & if it killed John, movies over right? Why complain about that. Imo, i liked both ideas of how Skynet could be panned out. In T4 That wasn’t the only HQ Skynet had of-course, but one of biggest active-ones. You may like Terminator: TSCC but i find that show waste of money itself. I mean, teenage terminators? lol. That would be somthing for Skynet to build terminators in all ages.
@WW
He’s not saying Judgment Day happened already during T3, he’s saying according to T3′s statement that John was 13 years-old the last time a Terminator tried to kill him (the events of T2), if you do the math that John Connor was born probably early 1985, if he was 13 in the events in T2, that means T2 must have occurred in 1998, and we all know that prior to them destroying the chip, arm, and the research Cyberdyne had accomplished, Judgment Day was supposed to occur in 1997. THAT’s why it’s so important that they got his age wrong in the narration in T3.
And yes, we know the licking was for the DNA, but what doesn’t make sense is does it HAVE to touch the tongue? You realize that the outside is all liquid metal, meaning that’s not a real tongue, just a representation of a tongue, meaning just touching it with the finger is the same as licking it, or putting it on her forehead, on her ass, etc. It didn’t make sense that the T-XTreme-13-TypeR would need to “lick” it to get the DNA reading.
And you make fun of the idea of Skynet building teenage Terminators, well, the same argument can be made for the TXXX13, why make a female Terminator when it’s supposedly unstoppable? Wouldn’t a bigger male frame allow for a much more robust construction that wouldn’t be damaged after running into something like the TXPLODETIGERBLOOD did in that scene when she was hanging on the roof of their vehicle? Apparently “fitting in” or being flirtatious isn’t necessary as proven in the scene where she “grew boobs” for no apparent reason since she killed the cop instead of seducing him anyway… Would a male Terminator been less capable of killing that cop or getting by all other forms of obstructions???
@ Ken J
Theres always more than one goof in every film. I don’t notice a goof till i read about it somewhere on the net. And the TX licking the blood, what does it matter how it finds who’s dna it is. Other than the tongue, i could see it it’s finger as a need to suck up blood to test it but thats it no big deal. Why not make TX a female? The first two films already had two male villain cyborgs that were different, why not make one that was female in T3? It had some liquid metal to assume people’s identities with, built-in weapons to dispatch other terminators with, & best thing of all i liked that it could control other machines whether its vehicles or john’s T-800 protector. That boob thing was nothin really. I forget who it was that said that TX was a example that “looks could kill”. And TX was just intimdating as the first Terminator, not the in the sameway, but in its own way.
I meant to say use it’s finger as a needle above btw.
The point is that 80% of the “features” of the TXTreme13 was there just as a gimmick. And that’s not what Skynet would have gone for. My point is exactly that it doesn’t matter where it touches the blood, the movie makers made her lick it because they thought it would be “cool.” And the Terminator being a female because the other two movies they were male? You think Skynet cares about adding variety to keep the audience entertained? Again, it was a gimmick, and it was cheesy. And built-in weapons to dispatch other Terminators? It sure took its sweet time to “dispatch” the old obsolete T-800, or, er, T-101 as they wanted to call it in that movie.
The boob thing, again, it shows that the movie makers cared more about gimmicks and doing “cool” things than making a serious quality action movie without the fluff.
And about it being able to control other things. I can see how they can control the computers, what I don’t get is HOW exactly do cars drive and steer on their own. First of all, power steering only ASSISTS your own efforts. The pump on its own cannot move the steering wheel, nor is there any computer controlled valves to allow it to do that. Newer cars with the active park assist use electric power steering. Those cars in that movie did not have them. The gas pedal, I can kind of see. Most new cars use drive-by-wire so yes, they can accelerate on their own if the computer told them to. But shifting the shift lever out of park into reverse and drive, again, there are no mechanisms in the vehicles that will allow for that. No power actuators, levers, etc. People think “oh, it’s an automatic transmission, that means it’s all computer controlled.” Uh, no, there’s still a manual valve that needs to be manipulated to get the hydraulic pressure to the right solenoids and what-not. Brake, again, the brake booster uses the engine’s vacuum to ASSIST your braking efforts, cannot brake on their own. Some newer cars have that feature, those cars in that movie, definitely does not. So again, another gimmicky, “cool,” feature that really is completely ridiculous and is nothing more than that, a gimmick. Not to mention it had the longest and least meaningful car chase I’ve seen in a while that really led nowhere in the plot…
And I’ll have to disagree about the TXPlode being as intimidating. My friend and I were in the theater either rolling our eyes or laughing when it was trying to act tough and intimidating. The T1000, on the other hand was just freakin’ menacing…
Wow John what a rant, loved it. But I disagree with your overall assesment of T3, but not T4. The DGA should use that as training film on how to end your directing career.
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You said,
“T3 writers apparently thought turning the internet into skynet would be a smart move. But no, big no-no. Very stupid,”
I actually thought that was one of the clever aspects of T3 that everyone seemed to forget. Beta Skynet was already developed by the military at the begining of the film. Since JDay was delayed in T2, future evil Skynet needed a way to get its more advanced IA into the military network, take it over and get on with the task of killing everyone.
The TX upon arrival dials into the LA School system and while looking up the names of some last minute targets, sends a computer virus into the wwweb. Once the virus began working its way through the various local area networks it would eventually obtain access to sattilite and GPS tracking centers. This is how the TX was able to “movie logic” remote drive the vehicles in the chase scenes.
Once the virus had reached a tipping point the military was forced to use its superior AI Skynet, only they didn’t realise the virus was years ahead of anything they could come up with. Game over, let the machine war begin what’s the problem.
hmmm
wow i alot of you seem to knw nothing about T-films.
& Alot of you knw evry thing about T-films.
1st of lets get this clear bale was not a sissy in da film.
how would you feel if the world you knw was wiped out plus losing all ur men in a battle?
2nd I doubt a sissy connor would go in “a” skynet facility on his own.
& do ppl hate on bale so much i’m not sure? hes the only actor i knw thats nvr done a chick flick like all these other stars have done after their big action film. I’m glad arnie will b back. but a reboot of T3 N T4. thts pretty wack. i’m tired of there modern type T-films T-3 doesnt exist T-4 jus skip years didnt show us how skynet rised from the ashes or how the humans still had touch screen phones. i thought kyle reese was annoying. i still ask myself how he knew wat year, judgment day, was or evn knew wat a terminator was called. only thing that was true to T-1 was when he was hot wiring the car in that underground garage, telling sarah how he met J.C. tht he was a prisoner of skynet but evn tht had a missing part the bar code they gave him in his rist.
& let me answer ur question about james C. he already said he will not have nothing to do with T-films.
in his words he said tht the franchise was good at the time. 3 had nothing to do with the previous films. 4 was good but when connor shot the T-800 with the grenada launcher it barely did a scratch. in T-1 that impack blew him in half didnt seen any concept of the original films? to me the franchise is done. &i forgot were i read that but that was James C. words
I personaly jus want to see what ive always imagine since i was 5, a future war against skynet & its end of existence.
@ Ben
Glad im not the only one who thinks a reboot of T3 & T$ is wack. Imo, i really think it won’t make things any better for the franchise, not far better than whats been done. I rather see the franchise more forward & save that time-traveling idea for the 6th, & last film.
meant to say T3 & T4.
I dont care what anyone says, i loved salvation and i honestly think that anyone that didnt like it is just into terminator for Arnold. It carried on the story perfectly, and i just cant figure out what anyone wanted out of it that wasnt given to them in Salvation. I did not like 3 at all however so I was happy in the TV series that they time jumped right over that one. The series was excellent once you got past someone else playing Sarah Connor. Lena Headey turned out to be really good in the role. And i think Thomas Dekker played the best young John Connor. I really wish that if they were coming out with another terminator it would be a continuation of Christian Bales portrayal. I could do without Arnold. The only way i can see them working him back in, is if they found the original guy who that terminator was molded after. As explained in the series, the all metal terminators study a human, before killing them then assuming their place when they have the living tissue put on them. Like the people locked up in the underground bunker in salvation. If they found arnold ( the human they replicated) still alive somewhere, or possibly even released in the last attack on skynet when John gets injured, I think that would be awsome. John would have a huge emotional attachment to him and he could be human and older.
@ Jason
I agree with what you said in your post. Except for whats said about Terminator:TSCC cause i couldn’t bring myself to like the show & prefered to follow the films instead. Id like to see the 5th film follow on from Salvation cause i was always wanted to see a film about the future war if got that far. It’s why im again’st the semi-reboot, cause i feel it ran it’s course already, Arnold imo would be a hard convining cyborg with his age, i noticed how he’s aged in T3 within that film. I like the idea of him playin a human character, & having the 5th film move forward.
@Jason
The action scenes in Salvation were pretty good, but if you looked at the plot as a whole, you’ll kind of see how a lot of it didn’t make much sense. I think that’s why a lot of people didn’t really like Salvation. How in one scene, making an explosion was enough to draw Skynet’s attention, in another turning on the radio was enough, yet in another scene, they pretty much blew up an entire forest after having a firefight worthy of a WWII D-Day reenactment, and that doesn’t seem to attract any attention. All of the new “cool” Terminators just seem like gimmicks and were not necessary to tell a good story. But the biggest plot holes open up toward the ending, especially how Skynet knows the significance of Kyle Reese. John Connor knows his significance, but nobody else really should, including Skynet. It’s as if Skynet knew the future, or saw the movies, lol. And the whole self-detonating power cells thing, that was something T3 introduced that simply also doesn’t make any sense, and yet they included it in Salvation too. And of course, the infamous scene where the Arnold-looking T-800 seems to play around with John Connor instead of just killing him. We all know that he can simply punch his fist through your chest if he really wanted to just kill you outright…
But like I said, the individual action scenes were not bad, I actually found a lot of them quite entertaining. If only it was held together by a better plot it would have been an ok movie. But it’s definitely better than T3, neither the plot nor the action scenes in T3 had any entertaining value for me, it was pretty much a chore to sit through…
Oh, not to mention that Skynet also shouldn’t know the significance of John Connor either since he hasn’t become the leader of the resistance yet and haven’t defeated Skynet yet…
@ Ken J
Maybe some people didn’t understand the plot well enough. I actually thought some of it pretty much made sense. 1.Making a explosion to draw Skynet’s attention, perhaps you could be more specific which. 2. I forget the name of the small scout for the Terminators but it clear it picked on the jeep’s radio signal to get & get their position out to the machines closest in the L.A area. 3. The forest explosion scene would be miles away from where the machines are mostly patroling. As Blair mentioned a day’s or more hike. Plus Skynet only wanted Marcus infriltrate & lower John Connor to Skynet.
@Wally
Oh, I understood the plot better than the writers did. I’m talking about how throughout the movie they claim that noise will draw the machines toward you, and they showed this with the scene of them hot-wiring the jeep and the radio comes on, and in the scene where they set off an explosion to draw the HK in to test the shut down signal. Yet in the scene where Marcus was escaping, they pretty much blew up the entire forest after a drawn out gunfight with gunfire, mines, all kinds of noise, and that doesn’t draw the machines to their secret location somehow… And you can’t say it is “miles” away since they had those swimming Terminators in the water right there. So if nothing else, those swimming Terminators would have reported back to Skynet about the activity there… And like I said, in that part of the timeline, John Connor and Kyle Reese should have absolutely no importance other than being part of the resistance. John Connor is not yet the leader of the resistance and Kyle Reese haven’t been sent back in time, nor should the Resistance be aware of any such device yet at that point in time. So it doesn’t make sense for Skynet to know to capture Kyle Reese to draw John Connor in. That makes as much sense as Skynet kidnapping ANY resistance member to draw in any other resistance member in some complicated trap like that… Unless Skynet went to Blockbuster and rented The Terminator, then it’ll make total sense.
But anyway, I’m sure you’ll have plenty of excuses that even the movie makers didn’t think of to explain all of these, so don’t worry about it, I understand, you thought 3 and 4 were good movies, we’ll agree to disagree…
@ Ken J
Well, Im sure Justin Lin’s idea of a semi-reboot would be even worse than the two previous films. They would just drag the franchise down further for sure. Might be a poor example but Superman Returns serves by example that the idea could backfire even if Arnold’s involved. People say somthing like, well maybe make the T-1000 a good guy, and how will the bad terminator top the T-1000 if T-X didn’t? I still see number of posts of other people wanting to see the 5th film to continue on from T4, with new director/writers of-course, & keep it post Judgment-day.
I’m actually almost certain it’s going to be bad, I personally don’t think anyone can do the Terminator justice except James Cameron, but something about how much of a slap in the face it would be for those involved with T3 if they would ignore that movie almost makes it worth it…
And I don’t think they can top T-1000 for a villain, but I personally wish it wouldn’t be a singular villain movie, but a post-judgment day all-out war, not these half-ass squirmishes that were in Terminator Salvation, I mean, something like what you see in the flashbacks. Groups of the human resistance facing off large groups of Terminators and HK’s. The actual “future WAR.”
@ Ken J
I agree that no-one can make a Terminator film great as Cameron did with the first two films, but to a point i did enjoy T3 & T4 despite some things shown in them. They were good imo but not great. I couldn’t bring myself to enjoy Terminator:TSCC neither that much. The first Terminator film will always be my favorite outta all of them & i liked the special edition of T2 more than the theatrical cut version because it shown even the T-1000 could malfuction after being frozen by the liquid nitrogen & scattered, among other scenes i enjoyed seeing. Id like to see more post-judgment day war escalate more as seen in flashbacks in the first two films. No time-traveling till the end if Skynet was to send the T-800 to 1984 w/Reese not far behind. Id like to see how it got to that point where the events in T1 happend, where this franchise started & think best way to do that is to move forward from T4 w/ better director & writers that should take notes from flashback scenes from the first two films to get ideas.
@WW
Wow, we must be polar opposites. While with some of James Cameron’s movies, the special edition are definitely superior to the original film, like The Abyss, and Aliens to a degree, I would have to say Terminator 2′s theatrical cut was much better in my opinion. The only deleted scene I would have liked to see included in the theatrical cut was the scene where they opened up the Terminator’s head to reset the switch on his CPU.
I agree, the rest of the scenes were cool to watch, but they did not fit well with the rest of the film. For example, one scene just had the T1000 stealing a cop car after the explosion scene in the LA river chase scene. Pretty pointless.
Another deleted scene is just the T1000 going into the yard to investigate the dog and finding out the dog’s name isn’t the same as what the T800 impersonating John said it was. Another pointless scene.
The next deleted scene wasn’t even in the special edition, it was of the T1000 inside John’s room, he feels around the walls of the room and stops at one point and finds a secret compartment that has a box with some pictures and stuff in it. I think he finds a picture of Sarah Connor or something. Again, pointless because the T1000 should have records of John’s biological mother and shouldn’t need a photo to “remind” him. Us humans need reminding, robots shouldn’t.
Then of course it was the deleted scene of them removing the chip from the T800′s head. I think that scene could have been in the movie without being too detrimental to the tension or the pacing.
After that, there were some deleted scenes of John teaching more things to the T800, such as how to smile. This was Cameron’s attempt at humor, it was kind of funny, but it kind of screwed up the movie’s tone and screwed up the pacing of the movie big time, as it was a bit too much of a break from the action. So they cut it out, and I think it was a good decision, keep the movie focused on the main story arc.
The T1000 malfunctioning scenes were, again, cool to see, I’m definitely glad I was able to see all of the deleted scenes including those, but I felt they were detrimental to the film. Originally Cameron filmed those sequences to show the audience that the T1000 isn’t invincible, that he is malfunctioning which gives us hope that he can be defeated. But ultimately he decided there’s no reason to, that it’s better to keep the T1000 “invincible” all the way until the end, makes the tension that much more. And I have to agree, the tension made that final scene that much more enjoyable, you were guessing “how can they defeat the T1000?” all the way until the moment the T800 shot that grenade into him. Awesome.
So while I agree with you that I’m glad they released the deleted scenes and that we were able to see the special edition with the deleted scenes, but I’m glad the theatrical cut was the way it was and I think it was the superior cut of the film.
Now, The Abyss, on the other hand, was the opposite. The theatrical cut was pretty bad, the ending didn’t make any sense… The Director’s Cut is the ONLY way to watch that movie.
@ Ken J
I agree about the deleted scen of T-1000 stealing a police car after the explosion in LA river scene was pointless but the scene where he killed John’s dog, maybe imo. It shown the dog given him away after him lookin at it’s dogtag. But what bothered me neither version shown what happend to his foster mom. Both both were deleted or just not made for pacing reasons. I didn’t even know about T-1000 being in John’s room but would be pointless even if he was lookin at pictures of John’s biological mother. Plus Reese mentioned most of the records of Sarah Connor were lost in the war, that they just knew the city where she lived such as the first terminator who mistakenly killer other Sarah Conners before gettin to the right one, it even had to look at her driver’s license for her id. And T-1000 was sent to the past not long after the first terminator was aswell that i read. I wondered how/or mostly why the terminator would smile till i saw the deleted scene. Although funny, i thought it would slow the pace of the film. As for the T-1000 malfuctioning, i still prefer the deleted scenes to be included since they won’t shown till around the climax of the film & thought would of been better imo. Looking back & aftering watching it many times, id just say it just seems like it was dumb luck that the T-800 got that shot off & T-1000 fell to termination. That’s just me. Even the T-800 in the first film seemed like it came so close to gettin its hand on Sarah’s throat before she crushed it. When i watch all the Terminator films, sometimes i watch the special edition version of T2 instead cause i liked it just alittle bit more. I also liked Michael Bien’s cameo as Reese warning Sarah John still need her protecting & as she follows him out it looks as if he was showing her the way out of that mental hospital.
@WW
If they showed what happened to the foster mom, that would have ruined that “holy crap” moment when the camera panned back and you see that “she” is actually the T-1000. It wasn’t a deleted scene, it was never filmed because they intended it to be a mystery all the way until you see the arm through the guy’s head…
Your logic is sound KenJ, i agree about the Abyss director’s cut being the only way to go, what an awesome movie.
I agree with you about how they should continue on after Salvation, with Bale because he his the best John Connor, and how they could put Arnold in the movie as the human man whom the machines used to model the T-800 model after, showing him having escapped with other people from that base after the attacks somehow, and then comming in contact with John Connor, that could actually work and make sense. I just wish they could have shown Reese in Salvation get the bar code on him at the machine camp, would have linked with the first film even more. But its true that it doesn’t make sense that the machines would not kill him right away, i mean they identified him, they would have killed him fast as doing that would of gotten them an instant victory in the war, no Kyle Reese..no John Connor.
But thats a good idea Jason.
It has been completed. A new super script has been created for Terminator 5 and submitted for copyright.
The script, which has been titled, was written by an unknown screenwriter, who resides in New Jersey. The script was penned to advance the Terminator series in a completely different direction then all of the previous motion pictures.
Robert Cort and Director Justin Lin are currently being reported as Producer and Director of the upcoming motion picture.
A source close to the story stated that a copy of the heroic script has been sent to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Daniel Ketchell, assistant to Schwarzenegger has also been notified.
Limited copies of the script have been released to select major executives of talents agencies.
Studio executives of Paramount Pictures, Sony Pictures Entertainment and Universal Studios have been contacted from the New Jersey based fictionist.
Other studio executives are to be notified this week with an option to receive a copy.
The Terminator franchise is owned by Santa Barbara based hedge fund company Pacificor.
CEO and Chief Investment Officer of Pacificor Andrew B. Mitchell was advised of the script from New Jersey.
At 63, Arnold Schwarzenegger plans on returning to the screen with “Cry Macho” a drama about an aging horse trainer who, in a fit of desperation, kidnaps his former boss’ son.
@ Ken J
Sure. Anyways, John was still whining in T2 whether you want to deny the fact or not. Both John’s got teary eyed in both films, especially John in T2 after they got Sarah after she yelled at him when the whole time he was tough as nails till that scene, then the ending again of-course. Sorry but im just saying it the way it is.
Um, yes, a TEN YEAR OLD getting emotional because his mother just told him that she doesn’t need him and when he loses who he considered a friend is the same as an ADULT who cannot do anything for himself. Yep, you’re right, you got me there, I’m just denying the obvious facts. Glad one person realized this out of everyone here…
T3 I understand was really bad, but T-salvation I thought was brilliant. Why stick with the present, bout time we had a future war with Terminators. Most forget it was pretty much almost the beginning of the War
When they were doing T4, wasnt it already planned as a trilogy?
The idea is simple T5, Connor now leader of the whole resistance, as we saw in T4, the first Arnie model was made, so now Arnie can be in 5 and 6.
More war fighting, i think we should see the capture of Arnie, how they manage to reprogram him, then how they learn Skynet is building the time portal and the big fight to get there sending both Reece and Arnie throw, time portal destroyed. T6, they finally go up against Skynet itself, the final fight.
Ugh.. Where do i begin,
Ok obviously the terminator part 1 & 2 rocked not only because it was directed by james f**kin cameron, but the cast was legit. I think its def a good idea to bring back linda hamilton as sara connor, michael bien as reese and even eddie furlong as john (only if he gets his s**t together) they are dam good actors!
As for T3.. I wont even go into detail on how lame that movie was, i dont even wana own it.. I was speachless, nuf said.
T4 cud have been better, i still wana see way more action between the humans race & cyborgs. That war should be epic!
As a huge T fan i expect part 5 to be atleast decent!! (prefer james cameron to patch things up) as for arnold s. I dont really care about seeing him again in t5 hes too old i’d rather see pure cyborgs. Nuf said.
the 2nd terminator is my favorite of all of them for some reason i disliked the 3rd due to changes in cast and a female android come on now no offense ladies. Salvation was good but one of the most important rules in every terminator movie is that there is always 2 terminators one sent to destroy john connor sent by skynet and the other sent to protect john connor sent by john himself which i didnt quite understand till later in salvation y this wasnt a big part of salvation. i likes salvation sure great at showing me what the future finally looks like for once and the war against the machines. A 5th one now would indeed need to go back to the past. The terminators that protected john in the past have to be sent back in time to protect him otherwise there is no future for john connor. A 5th one would be awsome so long as it keeps the terminator theme, story, cast and of course action going.
@ t.j.
The first terminator film is my favorite as i felt it had more impact on me. I liked the 3rd film but not asmuch as the first two of-course. I actually liked the idea of the new TX Terminator being a female as the T-800 lookin like a body-builder, T-1000 lookin like a normal guy, i think thats why the makers & Stan Winston had the TX be attractive & deadly. Salvation wasn’t a time-traveling film like the previous 3 films were & even the first film didn’t have two terminators goin for the same person. In salvation Skynet was using Marcus infilrate & bring Connor to Skynet central where Kyle was being held as bait. Skynet terminated Gen. Ashdown & other Resistance leaders using the that signal they thought would win the war against them. Imo i don’t think the need to make more time-traveling sequels, especially with Arnold at his age. Imo id keep the franchise goin post-judgement day or not at all.
Just my 2 cents,
but i would love to see a up-to date remake of the original, which really was more of a horror film. It’d be cool if they stuck with Cameron’s original idea that the Terminator should look more like a regular guy. Better yet, make it look like its just kinda wrapped in skin, you know just as a way to get around the whole “nothing dead gets through” idea. Because really the big muscles just never made sense to me, I mean if you don’t use them would they not get atrophy anyway? Not to mention the fact that that much muscle mass need a lot of calories and i don’t remember the Terminators ever eating so where do all those calories come from and then you run into the problem if he eats well then he has to crap and then you have to give him an anus and who wants a robot with an anus? If I’m not mistaken I remember Cameron saying that Arnold was originally suppose to be the human protector in the 1st film but seeing as he really does have no emotions in any of his films they really had no choice but to make him the robot. And whats with all the terminators looking like the same person anyway? Does that not defeat the purpose of making them look human in the first place. In the first film when they did show another term it wasn’t Arnold so…..I think they just need to let that go.
And just as a last point, lets face it none of the other terminator movies after the 1st one made much sense at all. They were so riddled with plot holes a elephant could fall threw them. 2nd movie..um liquid metal no matter how much it looks like skin its not! so um if nothing dead gets through then that movie failed before the 5 minute mark, not to mention I thought in the 1st movie Reese said Skynet was on the way out so how did they manage to develop a liquid-metal robot but they couldn’t build another Arnold-bot that didn’t have old wrinkly skin, wouldn’t they have been identical to the 1st I mean it did come off a factory line. 3rd movie…phhft yea whatever don’t even get me started. 4th movie…eggh it was ok but what was with that whole o I’ll give you my heart(aww Like you couldn’t see that crap coming from a mile and a half away) you know the only thing that makes humans different from machines. Wasn’t the pacemaker the first artificial organ ever developed. My granddad has one and he seems to be still pretty much human. Just saying
i think old arnold should fight young arnold in t5.