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Here’s the problem:

They’re trying to expand the brand by taking the genre aspect out of it, or mask it so that the genre elements are not so readily apparent. Big mistake.

This is the same mistake that AIP made when it was sold to Filmways back in the 80’s. Suddenly AIP, a profitable, solid genre film studio (AMITYVILLE HORROR) “expanded” by making films outside its original mandate and with larger budgets. Then, they weren’t so profitable anymore.

Instead of becoming the number one source for all good genre films – AIP went to being a company that bankrupted itself by making “art” films and dramas.

Let’s call it what it is – this “rebranding” is snobbery. It’s an attempt to become “respectable.”

I’ve heard numerous stories how SciFi (I refuse to call it by that other name) hates the Scifi aspect of their channel. Instead of becoming the number one source of genre entertainment in their niche – they want “respectability.”

I don’t know about you, but I respect anyone who can find their niche and exploit it in every way possible and maintain a profitable stature. Expanding into the web and phone platforms doesn’t mean you have to turn your back on(or turn your nose up at) your core audience.

Gale Heimbach says:

I agree with Bill above.
Sci-Fi seems to be doing everything they can to push their core audience away (This Phantom revamp -UUUGGHHH!-is just the same action, but on a smaller scale).
BTW: Improve on the programming FIRST and THEN you can do anything you want to the station name and logo.
And I really DO believe what has been said before- Battlestar Galactica WAS a fluke.
Cheers.

I totally agree with you BILL. They’re hoping ot hang on to the core audience, but then ignore us and move on to other platforms.

Companies do these kinds of changes all the time, then suffer for it.

Again, the bottom line disses the core fan.

GALE:

Galactica was a fluke, but now we get to see how many shows turn dark.

It’s shameful where this network could end up if they’re not careful. If you consider who used to be on the board of advisors for the Sci Fi Channel in its early days:

Isaac Asimov, Gene Roddenberry

It’s come a long way indeed.

We can only hope that some things improve and some things stay the same.

Andy S says:

SciFi used to be my favorite channel. I barely recognize it anymore. It used to be on my favorites, but now I find myself watching it less and less. The only shows on there that I look forward to seeing now are Dr. Who and the new Stargate. Ghosthunters and wrestling? Please, I can watch SPIKE for that kind of cr@p. SciFi used to be great for science fiction, but now it’s just another generic cable channel.

T says:

I tune into Sci-Fi for one reason, the Sci-Fi/Fantasy genre. While I do enjoy Ghosthunters and it does sort of go with the whole genre(because many people think ghosts are fantasy/sci-fi too) the wrestling thing is a big turn off. If things head that direction too much farther I won’t support the channel nor it’s advertisers. I’m already tired of having Twilight Zone reruns every freaking 3 day holiday weekend, the BAD sci-fi movies are now being rerun on Chiller, why the heck do I need another channel of the same tired CRAP that I don’t watch on the ‘regular’ channels? How about some feature length Anime? What about some contests to make a Fan written Sci-fi/Fantasy novel into a film for the network, come on they can’t be any worse than some of the b-grade slop that ends up being shown on a Saturday night now….

John "Kahless" Taylor says:

This station is really starting to get to me. Every time I turn to it, they’re showing sometype of ghost hunting stuff or wrestling. There are tons of sci-fi and fantasy movies that have never been touched by these guys; or the ones they do have that are good, they cancel. Hey Sci-Fi (or whatever they want to call themselves), how about showing actual science fiction on your channel and cancelling this ghost hunting crap!

John "Kahless" Taylor says:

@Andy S
I guess I should have read your post before I posted. You said about the same thing I did. :-)

piratedan says:

It plays out like this in my mind:

I wanted to be a real TV network programmer but all I could afford was this lousy SF network. Hey, I’ll change the name, rebrand everything and get rid of all the stuff that makes us unique and turn it into my dream, that is to look like every other bleeping cable channel in existence.

I HATE what this network has become. It is scary because it still has Eureka, which is actually quite nice, but it has backed out of virtually every possible unique attempt at quality programming that it has come across….Farscape, sorry too expensive (and then they sign up for Battlestar Galactica, wha?), Firefly, sorry not worth the fight. Then they halfass perfectly good stuff (Andromeda Strain, gawd what a debacle) and ignore the stuff that’s already out there to draw upon (Time Tunnel, the invaders, quark, quantum leap, twilight zone, outer limits, babylon 5, even mining MST3k for classic camp feature films)

How can you have hope for a niche network when the people running the network don’t even embrace their own niche?

There are loads of cool series concepts that should be available for develop, Zelazny’s Nine princes in amber series, azimov’s foundation, David Weber’s Honorverse, Drake and Pournelle’s mercenary series, Turtledove’s alternate history stories. Would love to see Brin’s Uplift series done right. Loads of old space opera to show. The genre isn’t second rate, the people picking the projects to develop are.

Mandarr says:

NBC is to Sci Fi as SOE is to Star Wars Galaxies. Take your established fan base and totally rework what you’re offering in a vain attempt to attract others and end up failing so badly that you lose most of your initial fans and don’t gain many new fans. I guess at least we’re not paying a subscription for this though.

Mandarr says:

Oh yeah, perhaps they’ll even have Jay Leno fill in with some shows on Sci Fi now too?

Andy S says:

@piratedan..

How cool would it be to have Turtledove’s Worldwar series turned into a mini-series? That is some great alternative history with a sci-fi angle on it and would be PERFECT for a channel that is supposed to support science fiction. Also good would be Stephen Donaldson’s Thomas Covenant trilogies. I doubt any of those will ever happen, though.

Matt K says:

doesnt really matter much to me, all i ever watched on scifi was “doctor who” and when they HAD Godzilla marathons

Andy S says:

@John…

Great minds do think alike, don’t they? :D

Andy S says:

AWw man, Matt, I miss those Godzilla marathons!!

I hope some other enterprising broadcaster scoops up the name “The Sci-Fi Channel” and dedicates it to science fiction and fantasy and that the channel does great while “SyFy” flounders and goes into bankruptcy.

Godzilla is ‘da bomb! I used to set my alarm clock as a kid to watch those 2 am movies!

Fourpole says:

Death Knell- . A stroke or tolling of a bell, announcing a death; a knell{1}.

2. Hence: (figuratively) A sign or harbinger of the end, death, or passing away of anything.
[PJC] (from Answers.com)
SyFy = The Sci-Fi channels’ Death Knell. With the obvious effort at being a more “respectable” company, I see them slowly bleeding to death. Me-n-you = the lifeblood of this channel. People will drift away, eventually leaving them dead where they lay. It may be interesting to see what -cuts- they make and how fast they bleed out. (Wow, sounds a lil more morbid than intended) Just my opinion though. :)

Gary says:

the irony is as they move away from their core audience,
This will lead to COMPETITION from another Science Fiction cable channel that tries to win the viewers That Scifi is discarding.
It is inevitable.

Gary says:

oh,and i would love it if a new channel came along and called itself The Science Fiction Channel.
It would drive scifi CRAZY!

AlBme says:

My Polish friends say that not only does “syf” mean dirty, (”syfy” is the plural), but it means dirty in the way feces is dirty.

How appropriate given their programming of the last few years.

AlBme

LOL… I kind of caught drift of that, but I couldn’t find any good references that I felt comfortable referencing…

YOU, good reader, win today’s “knowing nod” of good comment. (Sorry, we don’t have any prizes, though you deserve one!)

-Bruce

John "Kahless" Taylor says:

@Andy S
I don’t know if you want to think like me. I do have that Klingon guy within me.

petaQ!!

:-)

Yep, AlBme gets the ditto prize for that comment. Sci-Fi or SyFy or Dirty Feces or whatever Channel needs to go the way of the dodo and have real sci-fi fans create a real science fiction network.

rsg says:

@piratedan..

Thank you, you saved me the trouble of writing all of that. I totally agree with everything you wrote above. Amber, Foundation, Honorverse, Drake and Pournelle, etc, etc, etc. Throw in Niven and Sheffield… heck, just raid the nearest B&N’s SciFi section. Almost any random book you pick up would be vastly superior to the drivel on “SyFy” today.

Cosmo says:

Sadly, the “Sci Fi” channel went south years ago when they were bought and sold, how many times it now? They lost me many years back, I just hate this channel now and refuse to watch them. I did break down and watch the last season of BSG which was their only saving grace. Sorry Bruce, I know you like Star GAYte, but I think that show sucks. The dialog and story lines could’ve been penned by chimps. I remember when this network started out and how exciting it was for fans, I still have the poster that has listed REAL science fiction writers as their advisers. They used to put on some horror stuff but it wasn’t as much as they have now. I guess it’s good they’re changing their name. Althought I say why don’t they call it “Toilet Junk Channel?” It would be closer to the mark of what they broadcast now.

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