And I want Routh back as Superman, he was excellent.

Also Enteprise was better than Voyager, anything starring the greatness that is Scott Bakula gets a pass from me. At least Enterprise took a stab at original stories, and had some decent characters.

I never said Keaton did a bad job. In fact Keaton did amazing with what he had I said that he wasn’t written with enough to be good. The character had no depth or anything and it had nothing to do with keaton but instead terrible writing and terrible directing. I have always liked Keaton as an actor though I will say he isn’t on the same level as Bale.

Didn’t have a huge problem with the suit in Returns. My problem was the writing and acting. It was beautifully directed but had a lot of really bad story flaws mostly the things you pointed out like the son thing. The next Superman film needs real action and a new villain I think Lex has been done enough.

1. Keaton & Bale cannot be compared and they were both good. The Keaton Batman was done for the “Burton effect” & he worked well for that. Despite what some say, Keaton delivered well in his 2 turns in the cape & cowl.

Given some of the other stuff that Bale has done, I was surprised to see him as BW. However, he has done well ass the venue has now headed toward more realism (as much as Batman can, anyway).

2. I’ve been a regular viewer of all the Treks. I was early teens when TOS came on. Yes, it was cheesy. But, as one person said, the relationships were solid. These characters knew & cared for each other & you cared for them.

It took TNG 3 years to really gel. Once, it did, it was outstanding. TNG had the hardest road as they were THE replacement for TOS.

DS9 had the benefit of some of the best writing and, the amalgam of the regulars worked SO well. Even Roddenberry’s replacements couldn’t ruin it. It went out on top.

Vovager was passable, at best. As a Starfleet captain, Mulgrew made a credible Kate Hepburn. This is where we really started top miss Gene R.

This brings us to Enterprise. A true showing of just how much the franchise misses its “father”. It was an awful show whose time never should have come.

3. As to Superman Returns, I’ve pretty much given my views on this, elsewhere. I actually appreciated the little points where Singer tried to tie it to the Reeve versions. However, the “gay bar” outfit, Routh making Reeve look macho by comparison, the terrible Lois, the illegitimate son angle all combined to destroy this film. Even Spacey’s wonderful Lex couldn’t save it (Admit it. How many of you expected him to yell, “MISS TESSMACHERRRRR!”?

The next Superman movie needs the real Superman costume (ala Chris Reeve, the closest costume of them all). It needs a better showing of CK. He doesn’t have to be a bumbling idiot. It needs to be done seriously.

Yes Smallville can be silly, but for me, in 2000, I was only 16 and going through some bad stuff, so I feel that I grew up along with Clark in that show. It took a new spin on Superman, and with a tv budget has done some truly astonishing stuff over the years. As a show it has developed along with it’s characters, maybe it was geared towards teens, but like me most if those people are in their mid twenties now.

Smallville has done a lot towards keeping Superman alive in the media, and while a lot of people dismiss it out of hand, it is fast approaching it’s tenth season. Which is pretty remarkable.

I need Superman, his ideals are pure, and he wants to do good for the right reasons. The character is timeless, and doesn’t need a darker makeover, because that isn’t who he is.

It is a wonderful movie, and should be given far more credit than it deserves.

Superman should be a shining beacon of hope for humanity, a perfect companion to Batman’s dark knight, and I think shelving the franchise is ludicrous. It has nothing to do with budget, Smallville does astounding things with next to no cash every week, there are thousands of Superman stories to mine for a new movie.

I never understood while people think Superman Returns is dull, it’s got loads of action but I prefer the quiter moments, that’s were the film really shines. It harks back to a different style of film making.

As for Star Trek, dismissing TOS because it looks a little cheesy, no no no. It is the birth of modern science fiction, but it is about the characters and the stories, effects do not make a good tv show or movie. But if you don’t want to give it a chance, try DS9, it is the most adult Trek and it is a truly epic saga from beggining to end.

You don’t find Superman Returns a tad dull?? And I think its real easy to say Voyager copied a lot of plots since you have apparently seen all Star Trek. I have seen very little Star Trek outside of Voyager and TNG so hopefully you can see how our scenarios are different. I’m sure they recycled ideas like you state but maybe they were just going with what they knew worked. So many movies today used recycled ideas and are still considered good so I think this is no different. Also the better FX were nothing to complain about. Thats one of the reasons I can’t watch TOS because it just looks soo cheesy (word of the day)..

Keaton was amazing as Batman. But I think we have covered that.

I’m watching Superman Returns. Gets better with each viewing, a beautifully shot, thoughtful and introspective piece of film making that for some reason never found an audience. Yes Kate Bosworth is the worst Lois Lane ever, but everyone else puts in fantastic performaces. It’s a film about fitting in, and about trying to find your place in a world that has moved on without you. A sequel would have been a wonderful thing, but in the jaded world we live in, the message of hope Superman stands for isn’t welcome anymore. And that is a terrible shame.

Then again, I remember my Gma taking me to see batman returns when I was really young and it scared the crap out of me. Like that part when Danny devito bites that dudes nose off… thats some serious stuff, I don’t think many kids would find that cheesy..

As for Star Trek… Voyager and TNG all the way! I suppose I haven’t seen much of DS9, Enterprise, and TOS but for some reason the episodes I saw didn’t captivate me enough. I did grow up watching TNG and Voyager so that obviously is part of the reason I enjoy them so much. I guess the same can be said to kids who grew up watching TOS..