Sucker Punch Spoilers Discussion

Published 3 years ago by , Updated September 18th, 2012 at 8:08 am,

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Who is in control of the fantasies?

The film’s “twist” – punctuated by Babydoll’s realization that the film’s story actually belongs to Sweet Pea, has left many viewers grasping at the notion that it was Sweet Pea who was fantasizing the entire time – not Babydoll. While some viewers will certainly disagree, aside from the aforementioned line of dialogue, there’s no tangible evidence to support this theory.

The first level of the fantasy world is introduced in conjunction with Babydoll’s arrival at the asylum and dissolves at the time of her lobotomy. Similarly, Babydoll is always the featured ass-kicker in each fantasy – with the other girls playing supporting roles in both the dancer-reality and the fantasy worlds.

While it may have ultimately been Sweet Pea’s story of “empowerment,” the fantasies belonged to Babydoll.

Did Babydoll kill her sister?

This is a quick one but seems to be confusing a lot of people. In the opening sequence of the film, the stepfather attacks the girls and it’s strongly implied that he intends to sexually abuse Babydoll and/or her sister. He first tears at Babydoll’s shirt before locking himself in her younger sister’s room. However, when Babydoll breaks into the room and fires a gun at him, she accidentally hits a lightbulb – causing the bullet to ricochet and hit her sister. It’s this misfortune that enables the stepfather to frame her for the death – and send her to the mental institution.

What happened to the Stepfather?

The earlier moments of the film seemed to position Babydoll’s stepfather as the chief villain – with Blue emerging as the main antagonist as events unfold. That said, some viewers seemed to think that, as a result of the lobotomy, the Stepfather would be getting off scott-free. However, as Blue is being taken into custody, we hear his confession and subsequent incrimination of the step-father – implying that while Babydoll may never get to personally inflict vengeance on her original oppressor, her actions will inevitably lead him to a similar fate – life behind bars.

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Who was the cliche’ spouting “Guardian Angel?”

The appearance of the Guardian Angel in the bus station of the asylum reality might cause some viewers to think that, much like Life on Mars (or possibly Inception), “it was all a dream.” While it’s certainly one of the more fantastical elements of the film (since it’s grounded in reality – as opposed to the fantasy sequences), the Guardian Angel was prophesied in the early narration of the film – and, in this case, the appearance of the character one last time merely brings the fantasy/reality world full circle. The character’s appearance at the bus station offers a proverbial red herring – one final moment that makes the audience question what they think they’ve seen.

While not as poetic, or effective, as the spinning top in Inception, the appearance of the Guardian Angel merely diverts our attention from the primary narrative – a story of a girl who has been freed from the shackles of emotional and physical oppression. Much like the top, a Guardian Angel could, in theory, appear in any of the realities (since it was teased early on in the real world narration) – and doesn’t mean that Sweet Pea is still in the asylum (and, subsequently, trapped in Babydoll’s fantasy).

That said, if you want a more concrete answer than that – the appearance of the Guardian Angel in the real world cannot mean that Sweet Pea is actually still trapped in the asylum – since it was never her dream in the first place. Additionally, at the point where Sweet Pea encounters the Guardian Angel, Babydoll has already been lobotomized – and is incapable of fantasizing.

We’ll leave things there – hope you enjoyed our explanation and we look forward to hearing the discussion continue in the comments.

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If you’re posting comments here, assume that anyone in the conversation has seen the movie – if you haven’t seen the movie, I would recommend you don’t read these comments here until you have. 

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  1. Jessd,

    Couldn’t agree more. It’s amazing how brave and fake some people are when posting online.

    Allen,

    This is a discussion about what your take on the movie is. Of course some will have a completely different take then you and thank god! Who would want to read through 500+ comments of the same opinion over and over again? The beauty of this is finding ideas that differ from yours. I’ve read many of these posts. Some have a take similar to mine. Some are different and allowed me to view it from a perspective I otherwise wouldn’t of considered. Finally there were posts I didn’t agree with but, that doesn’t make any of them wrong. This movie is of fantasy and imagination there can’t possibly be a right or wrong answer only a matter of opinions. If trolling others over what they concluded from a movie brings you joy then you need a new hobby mate. From your posts your life must suck.

    On a side note. You really don’t need to plug your move in every post you make.

    • Did anyone noticed the iPod headphones on the guy in the asylum

  2. When Blonde mentioned the death of three women that tried to escape it could mean that the it is Sweet Peas story more so because she maybe be remembering their attempts in escaping and paying a respect / acknowledgement to them and their previous yet unsuccessful efforts at escaping…
    Like she is older looking back at everyone that tried to leave and how she was the only one that was successful…

  3. When Blonde mentioned the death of three women that tried to escape it could mean that this is Sweet Peas story more so because she maybe be remembering their attempts in escaping and paying a respect / acknowledgement to them and their previous yet unsuccessful efforts at escaping…
    Like she is older looking back at everyone that tried to leave and how she was the only one that was successful…

  4. After Babydoll arrived at the Asylum, where she was introduced to the “theatrical” method of therapy and the fantasy realm begins, Sweet Pea is in Babydoll’s role. – Why?

    This part just continues to confuse me, because why would Sweet Pea be in Babydoll’s place in the [now staged] lobotomy?
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    Personally, I would have liked it better had the alter-ego theory been carried out. Then the supporting characters would have added more to the poetic sense of the story the film tries to establish. I could see Sweet Pea as the big sister, as well as the “stronger” more up-front version of Babydoll. Rocket dies, just as Babydoll’s younger sister does; which is also why it would make sense that Rocket could never make it out, even if she were a part of Babydoll’s psyche. But the other two, Amber and Blondie, seem way too pointless, random and replaceable. There is no real connection between them and Babydoll (as parts of her psyche OR associative projections of Babydoll out of the real world).
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    So, regardless of whether the other characters are parts of Babydolls psyche or not, they are part of her fantasy. I get that. But the connection between her and especially Sweet Pea seems tied in too loosely.

  5. For me, the key point that addresses your question is that Sweet Pea is narrating the story from beginning to end. Since there is evidence at the end that she really escaped, I assume that she is telling the story in the manner we see in the movie for a reason. Dr. Gorsky empowered her by making her realize that how she thinks about her situation is one thing she can control.

    So when the story line shifts to the night club with Sweet Pea on stage, she is identifying with Baby Doll’s situation and this motivates her, ultimately, reluctantly, to take action. As she says, she’s the star of the show, so she is explaining how her salvation occurred.

    So I don’t think the other characters are part of anyone’s psyche. They were real. We are left to wonder about the fate of Rocket, Blondie, and Amber. Dr. Gorsky did not mention any deaths associated with the lobotomized patient (Baby Doll in the alternate narrative) and I doubt that Blue could have managed killing patients left and right without attracting more attention. I assume the deaths in the nightclub narrative symbolize that they did not make it out, nothing more.

  6. Snyder made it quite clear in interviews and documentaries that the fantasy begins after Baby doll arrives at the asylum. Snyder also explained some of the devices in place to distinguish from the real world scenes and the different levels of fantasy. The most notable distinction being Blue’s moustache. When he has a moustache those are the scenes showing how Baby doll perceives him. When he is seen clean shaven those are the scenes set in the real world.

    According to Snyder Baby doll is very real and she is the protagonist of the movie. She just doesn’t get the happy ending or the typical Hollywood ending. Baby doll is committed to an asylum, she plans an escape with 4 other inmates, stabbing an orderly, causing a fire and helps an inmate escape(sweet pea) in the days leading up to her lobotomy. Before being lobotomised she looks back over the events leading up to her lobotomy which was most of the movie we were watching, shown using metaphors, cause let’s face it, it’s more entertaining than seeing a group of girls running around picking up lighter and keys and is possibly over exaggerated to stress how difficult and challenging she perceived her experiences) Sweet pea’s character narrates about baby doll being her saviour and guardian angel because she gets the happy ending, kind of like when Anna narrates the ending of I am legend. Was Anna the protagonist or was I am Legend about her? Hell no. It was about Will Smith’s character D.R Neville trying to survive in an apocalypse whilst making a cure to the virus.

    While a lot of the movie is left to interpretation, ambiguous and is set up for us to decide and debate over. There are clear aspects of the movie that are explained by the movie’s director. we won’t all see the movie the same way but the foundation of the movie’s plot is explained by the director. You can’t understand Sucker punch without that understanding. Some of the things in sucker punch are debatable, they are the things Snyder doesn’t confirm or deny.

    Snyder said himself that baby doll is creating this world which is the story we are about to see just as she is about to be lobotomised. He said this in the sucker punch maximum movie mode. (15 minutes in). Essentially the story we see in sucker punch is baby dolls account of events, replayed just as she is about to be lobotomised.

    Snyder wanted the music in the movie to defy the time period the movie was set in so people shouldn’t read to much into it when the fantasy sequences show technology that was from the future, which some have mentioned to justify how the movie is sweet peas fantasy looking back from the present day as she is telling the story using modern day references such as weapons.

    Sucker Punch goes inside an imprisoned woman’s mind for a dark, surreal fantasy adventure. We asked the cast and crew about the fiendishly complex story, the fine line between exploitation and empowerment, and the horrors of steampunk zombie war.( Zack Snyder explains the point of “Sucker Punch”) The Article this snippet is taken from goes on to say: Sucker Punch follows Emily Browning’s Baby Doll (all the main characters are known exclusively by nicknames), who gets committed to a 1950s mental institution by her evil stepfather, who arranges to have her lobotomized with the help of Oscar Isaac’s corrupt asylum staffer Blue. To escape her desperate situation, Baby Doll retreats into her mind, imagining herself the newest addition to a hellish brothel that closely parallels the institution.

    In this imaginary world, she teams up with four of her fellow dancers/prisoners: Abbie Cornish’s Sweet Pea, Jena Malone’s Rocket, Vanessa Hudgens’s Blondie, and Jamie Chung’s Amber. Together, the trapped sex workers hatch a daring escape plan.

    His wife and producer Deborah Snyder noted that they thought of the movie’s structure in terms of The Wizard of Oz, where the fantasy world serves as a metaphor for what’s going on in the real world. Like Dorothy, Baby Doll can bring lessons from the fantasy to bear on her real-life situation. But the metaphor isn’t exact: Zack Snyder said he took out a number of scenes that explicitly spelled out what the connections between the worlds really were.” (http://io9.com/5785523/zack-snyder-explains-the-point-of-sucker-punch) Article was written march 24 2011