6 Reasons Why Jedi Could Be Villains In a ‘Star Wars’ Movie

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Star Wars Jedi Villains There's no mistaking it: Star Wars is back and ready to return to the heights it once enjoyed. With J.J. Abrams at the helm of Star Wars: Episode VII, fans are looking forward to new films carrying on the legacy of the Rebellion's heroes. But that's not the only direction to take. Now that confirmed standalone movies are also in the plans alongside major Episodes, the characters and stories that can be explored are far more numerous. We've already listed the Star Wars spin-offs we'd like to see, but the more we think about it, permanently relegating the Sith or 'Dark Jedi' to the role of villain seems to be making one massive assumption. At this point, the whole 'Light Side good, Dark Side bad' idea is common knowledge; but that's only according to the Jedi. History, as we know, is written by the victor. We tend to agree with the belief that the Sith were evil-doers and extremists, but it might be worthwhile to actually look at what drove them to that point, and see if a story can't be told placing the Jedi in the role of antagonists. Allow us to outline 6 Reasons Jedi Could Be Villains In a Star Wars Movie.

The Sith Weren't Always Bad

Star Wars Sith Origins

What should be made clear off the bat is that the Sith didn't just show up like boogeymen one day and start terrorizing the innocent. They were Jedi to begin with - only more radical in their views of the galaxy and what their gifts should be used for. The first Jedi Exiles - the group that would one day found the Sith - were simply one side of a civil dispute within the Jedi Order, known as the Second Great Schism. Whatever extremes each side pushed the other toward, it should be known that at no point did the Sith huddle around a fire and decide to crush all life in the galaxy; they were conquerors in search of mastery over life itself, not genocidal maniacs. They even developed their own Sith Code, opposing that preached by Jedi. Rather than speaking of existence as it should be, they focused on the way it was. The Code reads: -Peace is a lie, there is only passion. -Through passion, I gain strength. -Through strength, I gain power. -Through power, I gain victory. -Through victory, my chains are broken. -The Force shall free me. While the Jedi taught their followers that love, anger or passion were forbidden, the Sith embraced the full range of human emotion; passion is what makes people powerful, and free. The original Star Wars movies clearly show that the Skywalkers don't share the belief that love is to be avoided, and it's arguable that most of humanity would relate more to the Sith's view of passion as a good thing. The first Jedi Exiles' aims to revive dead worlds may not have been something their brethren believed in, and resulted in them being cast out, but it wasn't spawned by malice.

The Jedi Were Hypocrites

Star Wars Rakata Forcesabers Fascist governments throughout history have proven that the denial of....unpopular progress on grounds that it challenges existing beliefs of what's "right" is one of mankind's worst habits: Galileo, for instance, was called a heretic for claiming the Sun, not the Earth, was the center of the universe. It's no secret that the Jedi oppose anything - anything - to do with the Dark Side, since nothing good ever comes from it. What is less known is that before the Galactic Republic, the galaxy was largely ruled by the Rakata race's 10,000 year Infinite Empire. Like many others, this empire was built on cutting-edge technology (like the first widely-used hyperdrives). And it was all thanks to the Dark Side. Once the Rakata empire collapsed 25,000 years prior to the films, the technology was up for grabs, with the Corellians among the first to circumvent the Dark Side components of Rakata warp drives and sell the technology wholesale. The result was helpful, so no one batted an eyelash. Transportation's one thing, but the trademark of the Jedi Order - the lightsaber - is one that could only be crafted by those in tune with the light side of the Force, right? Right. The Rakata called their version 'Forcesabers,' using the Force to channel dark energy into a solid blade. The Jedi, as they did elsewhere, saw the potential made possible through 'ways of the Dark Side,' and adapted it for their own aims. Sure the technology was used by the Rakata for conquering and domination, but if every advancement that aided warfare was seen as inherently evil, the world would be a very different place. Maybe the Jedi actually meant that 'nothing good comes from the Dark Side... anymore.'

The Jedi Helped Commit Genocide

Star Wars Jedi Sith Great Schism

If it's possible to bring the morality of the Jedi into question, it's in the way they treat their enemies. After the First Great Schism came to an end, and the last twelve 'Dark Jedi' surrendered, public demand for their execution ran high. Ever the merciful diplomats, the Jedi chose to spare the lives of their fallen brethren and their followers. They then proceeded to strip their former allies of their weapons and armor, boarded them onto unarmed transport ships, and sent them into Unknown Space. It's hard to say what the Jedi intended to happen to the Exiles, but when the helpless prisoners found the race of red-skinned Sith on the planet Korriban, they did what Jedi do: shared their beliefs and technology, and laid the foundations of a new empire. Old feuds die hard, so once the Sith had emerged as a suitable army for their Dark Jedi leaders - now Sith Lords - the unbelievably named Great Hyperspace War began. The Sith ultimately succumbed to infighting, and the Republic and Jedi were victorious. Clearly, their actions 1,900 years earlier hadn't worked: the Dark Jedi had survived, and now ruled over a previously-unknown race of Force-sensitive humanoids. Republic Chancellor Pultimo looked upon an enemy that no longer posed a threat, and ordered the Jedi and Republic forces to invade Sith Space and destroy any remains of the empire and its citizens. This purge - known as the Sith Holocaust - ultimately failed, leaving the survivors to take refuge on Dromund Kaas. From here they would rebuild their empire, and not rest until they had their revenge on those who had tried to exterminate them.

The Jedi Defended a Corrupt System

Star Wars Trade Federation Separatists

As so many galaxy-wide armed conflicts do, the Clone Wars all started with the passing of a Financial Reform bill. Well, attempted passing. You see, this is the part that gets glossed over in the clearly pro-Jedi films, giving the impressions that the Separatists were simply bad guys. The truth is: the commercially powerful systems of the galaxy were only after removal of corruption in the Senate, and government deregulation in the name of capitalistic growth. Those wishes could be cast in a greedy or antidemocratic light, but they're also the desires that shaped the creation of the western world. In other words, not inherently evil. The taxation and corruption of the Senate from top to bottom pushed the larger corporations not to revolt, but introduce new financial reform to protect their interests. Before a vote could take place, the Senator representing the Commonality of trade planets was assassinated by a bribed Senate guard (apparently they weren't kidding about corruption). Those who sent the assassin got their wish, and the vote was cancelled. Understandably, this was the last straw. The Commonality broke off from the corrupt body and formed the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Political movements are usually bigger than they're made out to be their opponents. so while the films depicted the group as a table full of villainous characters, the Separatist Confederacy was made up of over eight galactic governments, dozens of Republic Senators, and spanned over 10,000 star systems. The Jedi and Republic didn't even formally recognize the group's existence, choosing instead to defend the corrupt government, and rather than address the Separatist concerns, simply wipe them out.

The Jedi Betrayed Their Own Beliefs

Star Wars Jedi Betrayal

Have a look, if you will, at the stated beliefs of the Jedi Code around the time of Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace: -Jedi are the guardians of peace in the galaxy. -Jedi use their powers to defend and protect, never to attack others. -Jedi respect all life, in any form. -Jedi serve others rather than ruling over them, for the good of the galaxy. -Jedi seek to improve themselves through knowledge and training. Of course, the Force-wielding, telekinetic, mind-controlling monks weren't always so docile. When the Jedi put an end to the New Sith Wars 1,000 years before the films, they had grown to be so militarized that their beliefs were being jeopardized. As recognition of this danger the Ruusan Reformation took place, restructuring the Republic and disbanding the Jedi's army and navy, as well as restricting their influence. This meant no longer sporting armor or military rank, and serving the Senate, not their own hierarchy. Rather than weakening the galactic government, having the Jedi to defend freedom and serve democracy ushered in the 'Golden Age of the Old Republic.' The films are set 1,000 years later - enough time for the Jedi to have shifted from realizing their religious order should only be used to defend, not lead the Republic to claiming that they knew better. George Lucas could have at least included a scene where Mace Windu or Yoda debated the idea of instantly becoming generals, betraying their code and undoing legislation that brought a millenium of peace (fun fact: Luke Skywalker later removed the line about "never attacking others").

The Jedi Led a Coup Against an Elected Leader

Star Wars Jedi Coup Despite the fact that the Sith were not inherently evil, there's no question the Jedi saw them as their enemy (even if they'd helped make them). So when Supreme Chancellor Palpatine was revealed to be Darth Sidious, believing in the quest for mastery over life that the Jedi so vehemently disagreed with, what would any peace-loving religious order do? In short, attempt to arrest or kill him. The problem here is that Chancellor Palpatine was, without question, the democratically-elected leader of the Galactic Republic. The Jedi had the right to be angry that he had kept his beliefs and religion a secret, and suspicious of what he had planned for the Republic, but…remember that bit in their Jedi Code that said they served the Republic’s government, and that they were not in charge of determining who was fit to lead and who wasn’t? Anyway you look at it, the Jedi attempted a military coup, wishing to depose the elected leader of a democracy based on a personal vendetta. They had many diplomatic methods of bringing his Sith origins to the attention of the Republic, but instead decided to act without consent. The result: the Jedi were judged by the Republic's leader to once again threaten freedom and exert control over the Senate, and had to be eliminated (poetic justice fans will note the Jedi Purge as a reversal of their genocide against the Sith). One could argue that Palpatine had manipulated democracy to settle an old score himself, but that means that he knew the Jedi wouldn't hesitate to remove the head of the Senate by force. The bottom line: marching into a Head of State's office with guns drawn after discovering his racial, religious or philosophical background is a hard pill to swallow.

Conclusion

Star Wars Jedi Villains Hopefully we've made our case for why the story being given to Star Wars audiences may not be the full one. That's not to say one side of the Jedi/Sith conflict was more in-the-right than the other, but clearly both groups were willing to get their hands dirty. Could this make a film set in the Old Republic, or any of the numerous wars between factions a chance to provide a completely new perspective? It's hard to know how those entrusted with Star Wars' future feel about playing with morality, but if they do, we've obviously got some ideas. How do you view the Jedi after reading our argument? Still see them as the upholders of what's right and moral, or are the Sith not as bad as they may have been portrayed? Leave us your thoughts in the comments. Star Wars: Episode VII is tentatively scheduled to open in theaters by 2015. - Follow Andrew on Twitter @andrew_dyce.
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  1. I don’t think that Sith religion as evil.
    The Emperor and his follower siths are evil doesn’t mean the religion is evil.
    Palpatine is basically like Osama Bin Laden of the Sith in star wars.
    I would be a sith if i was in that universe , but i won’t follow some extremists like Palpatine.

    And i think that Jedi’s need some change in their belief.
    It would be cool if in the next Star Wars movie Jedi’s and Sith’s are united & developed new, more accurate religion

    • The Sith are not capable of forming a new religion with anybody. The Sith are all about power and domination. A creed that is based on negative emotion and selfishness is evil. Too many fans are fooled by cool costumes and red lightsabers. I can not see why so many say that the jedi are perfect or supposed to be perfect they are warriors and have always been portrayed as such. Ive never seen any depiction of a jedi that did not involve them killing and using deception but you cannot compare them to the Sith. Killing and deposing Palpatine makes as much sense as breathing.

      • Selfishness and negativity are a natural part of human nature. To say that they’re evil is to say that the whole human nature is evil by extension.

        The Sith focus on the primal aspects of that human nature (and alien nature, since apparently they’re the same) for their ideals. The Jedi are vehemently against all emotion, even love and compassion, which places them in opposition to life itself; if everyone adhered to the Jedi philosophy, life would be incapable of surviving at all, much less growing or moving forward. What good does that sort of morality do when it vilifies the things that make you who you are?

        • So if my core self is a serial rapist, I should just do it as much as I can? Way to go, Avris, way to go… Also, stating that “Jedi are vehemently against all emotion” clearly shows that you don’t understand Jedi philosophy.

        • Alturism friendship and compassion are also part of human experience. Sith are evil they believe those things are weak. Neither one embraces the full spectrum of human emotion.

        • Completely wrong and blatantly generalized. Selfishness is evil. To care more for yourself than anyone else is outright an evil mindset. Murder, cruelty, rape…all human ‘nature’. But just because it’s human nature does not mean we all do it. Think about it without the ‘obsessed with the Sith’ glasses you wear. If we all lived like the Sith, the world would be consumed by hatred, death, destruction to the point of nothing left. You berate the Jedi for the way they believe yet you condemn the lesser of the two evils as wrong. Go ahead, live your life as a Sith would and see how far it truly gets you. See how many people leave you. How many loved ones no longer call you.

          Btw, the Jedi are not against emotion. They are against allowing emotion to dictate rational decision. Read some facts. But, as proven, you like to generalize…

        • Just because something is natural does not mean it is good. There is something in our nature that can be evil, and the Jedi know, but our nature is not all evil. And the Jedi philosophy is not against all emotions, but only against negative emotions, which is entirely sensible, because who will want to feel hate or suffering voluntarily.

    • Oh, boy. [rolls eyes]

  2. No, the themes are pretty clear. Jedi are the good guys. Sith are the bad guys. Can there be some manipulation of Jedi ideals in order to use them in a bad way? Sure. Can there be manipulation of pure Sith power in order to do some good? Yes, but that’s dependent on the individual. The original take on the force is very clear. The light side versus the dark side. The Sith are all about power, deceit, and strength to conquer people and manipulate them into their own desires. The Jedi are about peace and harmony with all things in order to be as non-violent as possible. A cool take on having Jedi as bad guys would be to examine some fanatic Jedi followers who get too caught up in their ways to do anything about galactic problems in the name of pacifism. On the flip side, you’d have some Sith who use their worldly attachments to almost accidentally do something redemptive.

    • Spot-on! Your take highlights the fundamental incoherence in how the Jedi Order was designed: they’re supposed to be on the side of good yet all they’re talking about is balance, which would actually make them neutral or Gray Jedi were they designed a bit less sloppily. If they did try to effectively achieve balance, the Jedi would do good in dark times and embrace evil in times of peace. It seems Lucas originally envisioned them somewhat more like that, as Obi-Wan’s original portrayal in episode IV shows a more nuanced, morally grey character feared by the people who’ve heard of him. Jedi were later stupidly redesigned as full-on do-gooders in episode V and forward. I mean mind tricks, people! Mind manipulation doesn’t exactly strike me as inherently good… Bottom line is: as they are now, the Jedi just appear as a band of fools who delude themselves into thinking they’re good people while they’re just as harmful as the Sith in their own way.

      This dichotomy has been touched upon in the awesome KOTOR comics in which a group of Jedi seers, dedicated to protect the Jedi Order by secretly monitoring it, actively seek out to kill a padawan (and not knowing his exact identity, actually end up murdering his whole class) because they had foreseen he would bring the downfall of the Order, without realizing it was their initial deed that sparked the fire. Great read.

      • The precursors of the Jedi Order in the Expanded Universe, the Jeda’ii, actually embraced both the light and dark side of the Force. They truly believed in balance, and reflected it in their integration of both dark and light powers and philosophies in their training.

        The Republic Jedi seek to harness Light. The Sith are descendants of Dark Jedi. The old Jeda’ii were essentially all Gray Jedi.

      • Sooooo wrong. Wow…

        Lucas stated, several times in fact, that the Star Wars stories are Good vs. Evil. There’s even an interview where he discusses this. No, he did not want them to be delusional sociopaths changing from good to evil for ‘balance’. What kind of sane person would even do that? Are you that messed up? You honestly prefer a lunatic society swaying it’s morality like the wind instead of a group of ‘do-gooders’ trying to fight the Sith? And tell me something while we’re at it, when the hell did being a ‘do-gooder’ become a bad thing? And when did becoming a ‘do-badder’ become a good thing? I think this worlds entire perspective has gone down the hole…

        • ?

        • Right on, SoWrong! Good are good and bad are bad. Then from there its whatever goes after. The idea that it could be grey is incomplete and arbitrary as saying blue and green make turquoise or red and yellow make orange. You can plug it all in separately and still have plot elements hang out together. Thats what moviemaking is. You know what the plot points are and what happens at what point in the movie so then you just color your own world accordingly. Jedi are what people want them to represent or Sith but generally you want to color within the lines of being good and with bad characters being bad. Unless you’re going for surrealism in which case you can also throw in a melting droid ala’ famous painting in a museum somewhere. Or psychedelia like Peter Max or Stanley Mouse. Which wouldn’t surprise me with Lucas considering his first draft FOR The Star Wars thats now in comics. o.o Silly perhaps but if at all you know where to begin, that works per the individual, then you can move forward on the proverbial chess board where you wish. Just be prepared to note that not everyone is going to agree with your position.

  3. “George Lucas could have at least included a scene where Mace Windu or Yoda debated the idea of instantly becoming generals, betraying their code and undoing legislation that brought a millennium of peace”

    In the old “Star Wars: Republic” comics by Dark Horse (Idk how cannon they are now because of the stupid 2008 Clone Wars TV series reticoned ALLOT of material), there is an issue (I wish i could remember the name and the issue number but believe me) where Mace Windu and Yoda discuss the morality of Jedi serving as Generals in the Grand Army Of the Republic.

    Just thought i should point that out. If you want to find that particular comic i mentioned, look for any of the Star Wars: Republic issues after #40 (it may be up in the 50s but i don’t remember for sure)

  4. I do not think that the Jedi have been portrayed as perfect an that is certainly not the case in the prequels and SWEU. The Sith are more evil the embrace emotion but only negative emotions like fear, envy ,lust (for power) and anger. Domination is their main motivation and that is evil.

  5. Oh, boy (again) Rakata? Infinite empire? None of this is from George Lucas. Malarkey.

    • No, but like anything EU, it received his seal of approval.

      • Wrong. The Eu content is below G-Grade canon. All the crap made up by ‘fans’, or should I say Sith obsessed emos, are not pure canon. Lucas even stated such. Look it up.

        • Not wrong, I just took a shortcut to avoid a lengthy explanation. I guess I’ll have to type it nevertheless…

          Of course he didn’t approve the plethora of EU stories himself (though according to the Dark Horse line teams, he did approve some stuff personally), he had someone at Lucasfilm to do it for him, namely Leland Chee. There’s actually very little considered non-canon, as evidenced by the definition of canon levels: “N is the ONLY level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm” (source: Wookieepedia). You posing as a canon ayatollah won’t change that fact. Whether you like it or not, most of the EU is C-canon, which is fully considered canon unless contradicted by a higher level of canon (i.e. basically the movies and TV shows).

          Anyway, this canon level thing is singing its swan song as the brand new Lucasfilm Story Group (including Chee) “aims to abolish the current canon hierarchy system and create a single cohesive continuity,” meaning that soon, anything SW will either be canon or not, and you can bet your @$$ that a lot of what is now C-level is gonna end up canon in the new system.

          You might want to learn a thing or two here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon

        • Also, you can’t take any of Lucas’ statements for granted. The guy is known for saying everything and its contrary then back again.

  6. #6 is all wrong. In fact, you are confusing “elected official” with “monarch.” Palpatine committed crimes against the Republic and the Jedi saw that billions of innocents would die if his plans succeeded. The Order was well within their authority to arrest him for his actions – an elected official may be *impeached* if acting improperly. A monarch must be overthrown. Palpatine got to the position where he was able to resist arrest and took control like a monarch and thus had to be overthrown.

    • I agree with you, SteveP.

  7. Even though I agree with neither the Sith- nor the Jedi-Code being good or evil, but merely two different ways of looking at things, you can hardly argue that in general (!) Sith still are evil, and Jedi still aren’t.
    Why is that? While it is undoubtly true that neither of both sides can claim to be the good guys in the war between each other as both sides fought full scale in the wars, it’s more how both sides behave within their sides.

    Sith always betrayed and killed each other, and ever since Darth Bane wiped out the Sith Order and tought the rule of two, as a Sith Apprentice killing your master was the only way of becoming a master yourself. Also Sith always used slavery, torture, violence and fear among their own people as tools of ruling.
    So even though the Sith Code and in many parts their teachings aren’t bad themselves, Sith usually tend to (mis-)use these rules and teachings to follow their own wishes instead of working for a greater goal, seek revenge and generally do evil.
    (A good example for someone using these for good is Darth Caedus)

    On the other hand, while even commiting crimes themselves, Jedi generally seek higher goals, try to solve problems and conflicts, maintain peace and justice and after all don’t seek rulership. More important however is that they support their allies and try to help regardless of what the government they live in wants. The main reason for misbehaves on Jedi side probably is the simple fact that at least since the time of Darth Bane, pretty much every person capable of using the Force was brought to, raised and trained by Jedi, therefore considered Jedi themselves. For the time mainly covered by all the Storys (movies plus extended universe) there simply where more Jedi than Sith, therefore it’s way easier to find dropouts among Jedi. Also, the Jedi code of course is a lot harder to accept, respect and follow than the way of the Sith is.

    So in conclusion even though I support all given reasons for seing Sith as the good guys and Jedi as the bad guys in upcoming movies, I still strongly disagree with what is concluded

    • I just want to say I would like to see a movie like that. Where the first fallen exiled Jedi try to get revenge.

  8. I call bull on this whole article. What a waste of time. How can you state that they aren’t genocidal maniacs but in the same breath admit they are conquerors? Conquering, meaning to take over another group/country/planet and force them to obey IS evil. It doesn’t matter if you disagree. That’s pure fact. Your opinion does not change the definition of that word. You really need to get over yourself. The Sith are evil. They were written that way. Even revealed as evil by the creator himself. The creator of the Star Wars franshise said they are evil. Therefore, you are wrong. I’m so sick of delusional Sith fans trying to make the Jedi seem evil to justify their obsession with red sabers and black clothing. Every form of corruption to come out of the Republic has been orchestrated by the Sith. Don’t believe me? Ask yourself…how did the Republic and Jedi Order last for over ten thousand years without ANY problems? The suddenly all these problems start showing up when the Sith appear…coincidence? Not even close…

  9. Interesting article! I enjoyed every sentence!

    Now I used to play Knights of the Old Republic A LOT, and I kept thinking about its storylines (both KOTOR I and II) when reading this article. Remember how your decisions in KOTOR would sway your character (and team, in Revenge of the Sith) to the Light Side or the Dark Side? Players could be extreme Light Side, Extreme Dark Side, but also, a middle Gray position (think of Jolee), where they try to maintain a balance between the two extremes. Similarly, a Star Wars movie could have a story where the main character is not extreme Light or Dark Side, but is a middle position or moderate.

    It is true the Sith were wronged somewhat by the Jedi. And also, comparing the two, recall the Chancellor’s words to Anakin, when he said (paraphrasing) that they are not _that_ different.

    I would be interested in seeing the KOTOR plots in future films, or at least, some more background to the six episodes we know so well.

  10. The sith will always hunger for power. It’s in the sith code, it’s why the rule of 2 exists, so it’s easy to say that is the basis of their religion. 2 there shall be, no more no less. One to wield the power, the other to crave it. How does this article make sense? We’ll I believe it’s because the sith are generally smarter than the Jedi. Now before anyone loses their mind in a comment, just remember that the sith utilize lies and misdirection to accomplish their objectives. So it is entirely possible that a good amount of what the Jedi has done to them has been orchestrated. For a simple example: Darth Sidious saw the emotions in Anakin and struck at them. He knew that anakins mom had died, he knew that anakin was afraid for padme and that he felt powerless in the fact that she will die. We’ll after the whole conversation on how he and Darth plagueis had created life out of the force, anakin was instantly hooked. Now when the Jedi found out that palpatine was in fact Sidious, they staged this aforementioned military coup. With sidious against the ropes and windu only a step from killing him, anakin kills windu. Now, the whole idea comes together and what took months of planning and deceit, he now had not only a powerful apprentice, but he also set in motion the fall of the Jedi order. This was a small example. Of course, on a bigger scale, you could look towards the fact that the sith not only commissioned a vast clone army that was instrumental in the fall of the Jedi, but they were also able to shake the faith of the Jedi by turning “the one” anakin skywalker. And I am aware how the story ends for the sith but “evil” is completely subjective based on your beliefs, it is totally possible that the jedi led a totalitarian government and the sith were just trying to free the universe. All this is just a thought and I hope that any comments afterwards would be constructive. Let’s have a conversation, not a trolling party.

  11. For those of you who disagree with this article, read Star Wars: The Clone Wars No Prisoners. You will note the ex-Jedi group brings up some good points.

  12. In SWTOR the Bioware team did a good job in making you invested whether you were jedi or sith. The extremes where definitely there and they were well thought out arguments on both sides.

    I played both to see the storylines and although it was fun being dark side sith, the light side sith was intriguing because it wasn’t the typical light side but rather grey choices. I quite liked that your priorities were squashing your fellow apprentices that were veing for power to protect the interests of the Imperial Empire as a whole.

    On the jedi side you get to see just how corrupt the Republic is but it’s base line is that humans are fallible, in my opinion. Do you side with the seperatists to cushion the death toll or so you uphold your ideals to the full extent?

    Bioware is famous for making impressive arguements for different factions then making you choose and they did a good job with the sith in SWTOR.

    So that’s probably why there’s a lot more pro-sith nowadays.

    • Imperial Empire?

  13. The Jedi had grown stagnant, and rejected insights from the Living Force to adapt, such as Qui-Gon’s views. Yoda was primarily responsible for that, with his 900 year lock on training and philosophy. The Force had to purge them to grow, adapt and evolve the use and understanding of it, as Luke explores a more balanced approach in the books. The worst rule was no attachments, with all that talk of the Force being strong in certain families. They should have encouraged marriage and procreation. Yoda begins to realize this at the end of the Clone Wars, and it is what he is revising on Dagobah. The Jedi had a mandate to locate and destroy the second Sith from the Senate. They were just out maneuvered by the precognition of Sidious. The Revenge of the Sith book makes clear the Jedi were doomed the minute they got into the war. Sith, not EVIL? Alderaan destroyed, people! Younglings slaughtered! Sith War crimes on a planetary scale in Every conflict they were involved in. Jedi were foolish, but Sith were ruthless and power mad. Depravity is mentioned as a mark of Dark side servitude they looked for to confirm they were truly fallen and joined.

  14. It’s funny, but isn’t there three sides in this universe: the Jedi, the Sith, and those who don’t follow either (but still use the force) I mean claiming there is only two sides to this thing is kinda of wrong if you think about it. Count Dooku’s ex-apprentice (currently) assassin is a fallen Jedi (or Sith)

  15. The series has always tacitly hinted that there were serious flaws in the Jedi moral system AND that the high council itself had decayed to the point where it lacked the control it needed. Two big points.

    1) The Jedi were repeatedly defeated by their rejection of love and family. Most Sith were drawn by the need for both of the core human need to love and to protect those one loves. In hindsight, this is universally acknowledged as a mistake in Jedi doctrine, which means that while the Jedi were good, they were not always right on doctrine.

    2) The high council could not detect the rise of Palpatine. This does not indicate that they were bad, but it probably indicates that they had gotten lazy and started resting on their laurels. So even if the Jedi are not capable of evil, they are proven to have been capable of atrophy.

    So in conclusion the article is right at some level, and villainy could definitely come out of the Jedi order. Especially the brand of “villainy” that is rooted in a desire to do good – but using the wrong methods. The threat would not come from emotional inpulses of the Dark Side, but rather from logical but flawed use of the Light Side. Nothing is quite so dangerous as a humanitarian who lacks understanding of his limits.

    (As an aside – anyone who has read Asimov’s “Foundation” series will not serious similarities between the Old Republic and Asimov’s Galactic Empire, and between Courascant society and Trantor society. Things ended badly for Trantor too, even though they had good intentions…the bureaucracy rotted the empire from the inside out and only the rebel minds who broke the rules survived. Same with Star Wars, and the only Jedi to take down the Empire rejected some of the base tenants and structure that collapsed the old system – acknowledging they were in error. The Jedi order, at least as portrayed in the prequel trilogy, was bureaucratic and unquestioning of it’s own bureaucracy – which always facilitates corruption.)

  16. The Sith were not ex-Jedi. The schism that formed the Sith took place long before the Jedi even existed. The ancient dark siders found a planet and intermixed with the indigenous, and they named themselves after people, Sith. When the dark siders returned as the Sith Empire, there was a Jedi order before the formation of the Republic.

  17. Great article!
    What is moral and immoral is a question. It is different for everybody. But I think that Grey Jedis are the best – and most realistic.

    • That’s the group I forgot. thank you. Though I have to say from what I’ve read about the Grey Jedi’s they kind of embodied more of an Sith way. Out of all four groups I would want to be Gray Jedi’s (they do in a way inherit the universe (i did say in a way). Their serious flaw really was the fact that their leader was really more Sith than balanced (if i remember correctly he stilled worshiped Palpatine (if we’re using the same resources that is). If the leader could of really been what he as saying, a true mixture of the Force than I would agree with you. Again, I don’t know if we’re using the same reources

  18. First off, the Sith were originally a race of beings. These beings had use of the Force, and they found that, through bending this power to their will, they could control others. Check one for the evil box.

    The fallen Jedi only claimed the title of Sith, they were not “true-born” Sith. Exar Kun is an example of this.

    Utilizing a weapon that your enemy has made isnt hypocritical or evil, its smart. Jedi werent against all things of the dark side. They trained their students to recognize it and be wary. They werent emotionless droids, they were trained to feel and use those feelings. Even with the use of those feelings, they remained in control of them.

    As for the genocide? The Fallen and the Sith were at fault for that, not the Jedi. Sith will always fight for dominance in any environment, using weapons or cunning. Darth Bane saw this, and was why he established the Rule of Two “Two shall there be, no more, no less. One to embody the power, the other to crave it.” This led the strengthening of the Sith, and eventually galactic domination. (Even if Sidious was a punk b**** in a fight, he was a crafty old Darth)

    As for staging a coup against a corrupt government? Ill not even dignify that with a response. Im not sure if this article was written on a bet, but youre really grasping at straws now.

    The Grays had it right. Use of Force powers are not meant for personal gain or moral reasons. Thats not to say you shouldnt help people with your powers; actually its encouraged. Grays question everything. They had families and children and used dark-side Force powers, b ut they still did what was right.

    All that said, Revan is the Best out of either Jedi or Sith, and Mandalorians would kill everyone anyway. They dont care about anything but their families and getting paid.

    Mandos all the way!

  19. Talk about lawyery tricks to turn evil into good xD

  20. Very interesting how on a feminist related article my comment is automatically “spam” if it is critical.
    This site is comical…not.

  21. There is very simple solution on the problem : Law.
    Law for everyone no mater your religion origins or older crimes. The film and the idea of it is make in 70′s … we are all good and bad (jedy or sith). If we want to be as real as possible in that “universe” just add law witch is the same for the light and the dark side, so every one killing someone else must be judged for his actions.
    With 2 words it is the same as nowadays, but with spaceships and neon knifes

  22. As a Star wars fan, I feel the EU is nonsense….Disney put it to rest at for once!

    • As a Star Wars fan, you should know better than dismissing the EU as a whole. Granted there’s a lot of crap in it, but there’s also quite awesome stuff, much better written than anything Lucas has ever come up with. Try reading the KOTOR and Legacy comics: these, among others, are compelling stories with great characters and, especially in the latter, much less manicheism.

  23. Yeah, Palpatine was an elected leader, but when they found out he was the Sith Lord, they also knew that he was the secret leader of the Confederacy… I am no legal expert, but I am pretty sure building a rebel faction and leading a three year long bloody war is beyond treason. Its a horrendous war crime. The Republic knew that Sidious was the leader of the CIS, they just didn’t know who he was. Any sympathy for him when the Jedi attacked him would have been gone when he was exposed as the leader of the enemy that the Republic military had fought and died to defeat.

  24. The Jedi can be considered somewhat evil, and the Sith can be considered somewhat good. Think of it as a yin yang sign. In the midst of light, there is a small shadow of darkness, and in the midst of darkness, there is a thin beam of light. Are the Sith evil? Yes. Are the Jedi good? Yes. But for each of them, there is still a ‘flip side’ that you need to think about.

    • Right? Its like how Han Solo was first a bad dude in the extended universe and then he became a rebel alliance anti-hero. However, his father-in-law Darth Vader is the baddest dude in the classic trilogy universe and he was first a whiny punk “hero” in the Star Wars prequels.

  25. the jedi are selfish because they left citazens die unlike the empire who destroyed the jedi and took the galaxy revan or both jedi and sith master used the star forge to destroy the derpy jedi warning info from kotor.

    empror palpatine attacked luke and jedi did nout unlike the emprors royle slave anakin skywalker who saved the jedi luke so in conclution sith are really kinda awesome

  26. Its too bad that George never put any of this into the original films. I know they’re decades apart but once you get into the political side of it all, the first films seem so out of whack (for lack of a better term).

  27. Arguments like these are the perfect examples of what makes jedi and sith views are different

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