Regular Screen Rant reader “790″ suggested I set up a discussion post for the Star Trek movie, where people can feel free to talk about all aspects of the film without having to worry about spoiling it for others. I had meant to set one of these up for Wolverine but just never got around to it.
Considering how popular I think Star Trek will be (moreso than Wolvie), I thought it might be a good idea to get this set up ASAP. 
So discuss the film below to your heart’s content!
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I wish I can sleep, lol, still have another hour to go, haha.
Lol, yeah I won’t be sleeping for at least another 3 hours.
But lucky me, I have assignments to do! -.-
@ Enjenue:
You too, sweetie, have a great Sunday afternoon there, down under…
Hey, I forgot about Men At Work! Loved them!
Although it doesn’t make up for Rupert Murdoch! Hahahaha!
JOHNNY-O
@ John
Haha, yeah well you win some, you lose some…
~Ingenue
@ Ken (and Enjenue):
Hey, Ken, you wanna see cynical?
I’ll give you CYNICAL!
I offered this, a few days ago, in a related thread, the ‘First Look’ Screen Rant. Kath, this is for you too, but it’s only for laughs, please don’t let it get ya down, babe:
The following is a supposed compilation of a series of meetings between the Paramount Motion Pictures Chairman of Scripts & Development and staff which must’ve taken place back in, I figure, early 2007 at the latest, regarding the original enterprise (pun intended), TO WIT:
CHAIRMAN: Gentlemen…We’re making a new Star Trek movie.
GIRL WRITER (throwing hands in the air): All right! “Star Trek XI: The Search For Data”, here we come!
CHAIRMAN (ruminating): Hmmmm…
CHAIRMAN: You’re all fired.
THREE WEEKS LATER…
CHAIRMAN: Gentlemen…We’re making a new Star Trek movie. And this time…it’s gonna have Kirk & Spock.
JJ ABRAMS (one of a whole new batch of writers): Sir, they, uh, kinda killed off Kirk in ‘Generations’…
CHAIRMAN: It HAS to be about Kirk & Spock. No one will go see it othewise.
ABRAMS: But LOTS of people went to see ‘First Contact’ –
CHAIRMAN: KIRK AND SPOCK!
ABRAMS: Well, I guess we can remake Star Trek, like they did with ‘Battlestar Galactica’…
CHAIRMAN: NO, NO, NO, if we do THAT, we’ll lose the hardcore Trek nerd crowd. They’ll get all upset about their ‘canon’…and then come the death threats…
ABRAMS: We…we, uh…could cast younger actors, and call it a ‘prequel’.
CHAIRMAN (brightening): Gettin’ warmer…but if we do that, then it will limit the potential for making ENDLESS SEQUELS. We’re trying to create a new CASH COW here.
(Abrams & other writers look at each other)
ONE MONTH LATER…
CHAIRMAN (looking over proposal, with JJ Abrams standing at attention at the table): “Alternate timeline”? “Quantum theory of parallel universes”? Hmmmm…This reads like bad fan fiction…
CHAIRMAN:(reading quietly)
CHAIRMAN: I LOVE bad fan fiction! Here’s a blank check!
I hope that’s clear…
JOHN
It’s from a cartoon I found on the net, and sent to Vic.
I followed it up with this:
For all my cynicism, I can honestly tell you that it would’ve deteriorated into full-blown depression if not for that Franchise.
Seriously, for all the inspiring words that have come down thru’ history from real, live people – Edmund Burke on the triumph of evil over the complacency of good men, Bertram Russell on the ultimate prevalence of mankind as a function of survival, even Lincoln on the better angels of our nature – the words that have given me the most comfort & hope for the future, even after we here now are long gone, came from James Tiberius Kirk, spoken to an alien on the meaning of our people:
“We are of a race born to strive. We cannot grow, or even survive, without the challenge of adversity…”
Love to ya, JOHN
@ Katherine:
Oh, s***, I’ve been spelling your nickname wrong, with an ‘e’ instead of with an ‘i’, so sorry, Ingenue! It just sounded right, but the ‘i’ is right.
I guess I just got ‘E’ on the brain, hahaha!
JOHN
@ John
ROFL that’s good. Way more amusing than my maths homework.
And I love how Star Trek is fictional yet it still gives us that feeling that we can do anything and we can create a better future, etc. (:
~Ingenue
@ Ingenue:
Okay, one more, then I really have to go to bed:
Rule of Acquisition #4:
Sex and profit are the two things that never last long enough
G’night, Ingenue!
JOHN
PS: Not that YOU should know about that yet!
JEEZ, what was I thinking?
JOHN
@ John
But don’t worry, I don’t know about it. And in keeping with that theme, there’s two rules of acquisition:
BAHAHAHA. Gooood job
“112. Never sleep with the boss’s wife unless you pay him first”
and
“113. Never sleep with the boss’s sister”
~Ingenue
@ Ingenue:
Hahahaha, oh, yes, two of my favorites!
But seriously, I can just hear the knock on my door now –
“Hello, Mr ‘Johnny-O’? I’m with the MSNBC television program called ‘Caught In The Act’? You’ve heard of us?
“Mr ‘Johnny-O’, I understand you’ve been chatting online with a TEENAGE GIRL in – Austrailia, is it? About SEX???”
Oh, God, I’m going to jail!
Hahahaha, good thing you live down under! Lol!
‘Night, sweetie!
JOHN
@ John
Ah true, we wouldn’t want you going to jail.
Go! Sleep! Lol.
Goodnight.
~Ingenue
You people have gotten way too deep for me.
@ Johhny-O
I haven’t had my tea yet this morning, nor have I read all 65 posts (!) that came in while I was sleeping, but in response to your first post I have read, yes, I am certain that the episode with Nancy Cramer is “The Man Trap.” Janice Lester appeared in the final episode entitled “Turnabout Intruder.”
As a point of correction, Troi wasn’t in Star Trek VI, and if the numbering was contiguous (which it wasn’t because TNG people didn’t want “the curse” so they stopped numbering the movies, then First Contact would have been VIII.
I agree with the Renaissance thing, however. Good analogy.
I guess you have me confused… is the “first” Sulu (I guess we call him Sulu Prime now?) gay? I maintain that the actor playing him is gay, about which I concur entirely.
If you want to see a fan-made episode with a gay character, written by David Gerrold (The Trouble with Triibles) check out “Blood and Fire” at http://www.startreknewvoyages.com. I’m not a fan of many of the recasts, but he’s got some good people working on the show, so it’s decently made).
To round out my response to your post:
Rachel Maddow rocks; I only watched Ellen when she hosted the Academy Awards (outstand there as well) and I couldn’t pick out her wife (I believe they are still legally married in California as laws are not retroactive) from a crowd, but it’s all good. I doubt too many people from the Prop 8 crowd are huge Star Trek fans, but I’m sure some exist. Maybe they’ll be enlightened?
@ Ken
As intriguing as I find this discussion, it’s very far from Star Trek, so this will probably be my last response to the thread.
I don’t beleive it’s class warfare to ask those who make more to pay more. I believe it’s equity. And I have a lower income-tax bracket than people making far less than I do, when adjusted.
If I loaned somebody $100 (regardless of whom it was) and I didn’t get paid back, I probably wouldn’t care. In fact, I do so quite often. It’s not worth the time and effort over $100, which highlights the fact that physicians get paid too much, I suppose. I donate about $20,000 a year to charities/non-profits that support disease research or the arts. That’s more than a lot of people make in an entire year, and I can write it off on my taxes. I maintain that banks are immoral. Find, charge a $40 fee for all overdrafts, but if someone bounces oh, six or seven checks, are they really going to be more solved in paying almost $300 in “penalties?” It’s also not applied uniformly. Because I’m a “high value” customer I could bounce many checks and the fees would be “waived as a courtesy” because they want my money. It’s happpened to my colleages and they laugh because they’re always told it’s a one-time thing. I’m not sure why they should be bouncing anything, but that’s really beside the point. And I dare say that Wall Street and Bank CEOs make more “than a living.” I don’t know the calculation, but I’m pretty sure they make something like 3,000 times the salary of the lowest-paid worker in most banks. They’re certainly not *that* important. I make far less than they do, and I save lives, not ruin them.
I don’t think people would purposely choose to miss payments for a lower interest rate. You would ruin your credit score, and seriously hamper your ability to secure additional credit, if the account wasn’t closed outright. This, incidentally, is why it’s called a *credit* score. How credible are you when you claim you’ll repay loaned money? Since FICO is computed in mysterious ways, we don’t know the specifics, but I do know that missing payments lowers your score.
I think we’re above “racial” profiling. I happen to know that while most shoplifters are young, the high-dollar shoplifters are not – a lesson I learned at a very young age during my first job working with the “loss prevention” people. And 90% (if not more) of the shoplifters were caucasian.
And finally: I took an oath to treat people even if they cannot pay – an oath I am my colleagues take seriously. Of course if nobody paid, we wouldn’t be able to afford our lifestyles, and I do believe in rewarding work, but if someone cannot pay to see me because they have Strep Throat, which isn’t initially life threatening (although it will be when it becomes pericarditis, but that’s medical-babble) I will still see and treat them. Universal Healthcare (erroneously reffered to as Socialized Medicine) would require people to purchase insurance through private companies, much to their delight. And I’d be guaranteed a higher percentage of payment, if not necessarily a higher rate.
And I take *any* threat of suicide seriously. I also do not refer to my patients as “bums.” And patients who have “the stomach virus” could potentially have something serious like Giardia, which can be lethal if not treated. It’s why so many things state “seek medical help/talk to your doctor” as self-treatment can be a dangerous thing.
Feel free to disagree with me, but even at my age, I’ve seen too many things to believe otherwise.
Good discussion, if off-topic.
Cheers.
@Giovanni-O
I don’t believe you’ll find any episode entitled “The Unreal McCoy.” Good luck on your search, however.
-Doc
@Ken J
As long as you don’t support any charities that fund alcoholics, recovering prostitutes (regardless of HIV status), people with any type of skin cancer, homeless people who quit their jobs willingly, or any fat people, then I won’t disagree with you that donating to cure HIV/AIDS makes no sense as it’s the only condition for which people are responsible (in most cases) for infection.
@Johnny-O
I’m quite certain Mr. Doohan was Canadian. He was a voice actor, and could do multiple accents. He served in the Canadian army during WW II and lost his middle finger to Hitler’s army. This is why you never see his right hand in the series (it’s always a close up of someone else) except for a couple of missed shots, one in “The Trouble with Tribbles.” See “Beam Me Up, Scotty” (his autobiography) and refer to the chapter “Giving Hitler the Finger.”
Steve,
I have not read all the posts either. I see them coming into my mailbox sometimes one per minute.
What on earth would cause you to blurt out the bigoted statement of Prop 8 crowd not being huge Star Trek fans, and not being enlightened? What does “enlightened” look like–someone who extols tolerance, inclusion, and unity, yet practices the opposite?
@ Ken
A career in Law Enforcement will be interesting. I wish you success, and as someone who has to deal with law enforcement regularly in the emergency room, I would enjoy having a conversation similar to this after you’ve been on patrol for ten years or so.
@ Johnny-O
Many of my colleages say “What would McCoy do?” And after we get over the “use his protoplaser” we start focusing on the rest. There’s never any real question about what he’d do, honestly. The character has an unwavering support for compassionate treatment of life… even the “enemies.” Case in point, on trial in Star Trek VI: “I tried to save him… I was desperate to save him.” And he was.
@ Katherine
Glad you liked RENT. Wicked is outstanding! I am not so fond of Les Miserables, to be honest. I don’t see it when it comes to town (and here, at least, it does so every year for at least a week). It was good in its day, but many, many, better shows have come along. I never envisoned myself a huge fan of *Disney* on Broadway (although Lord knows I’ve seen the movies enough with them on endless loop in the Pediatric area of the ER) but the Lion King was especially stunning. I’d like to see “The Little Mermaid” should it ever go on tour.
@ John,
If you want to give Katherine a nam de plume, I’m all for it, but it’s spelled “ingénue” and is French. You may want to reference the meaning before applying it, although I don’t think Katherine minds.
@ Ken J about RENT
It doesn’t *teach* anything, it displays a window into the lives of less fortunate people. Feel free to dislike it, but please try not to miscategorize it.
@ Katherine
Just sleep for eight hours and be amazed at how many posts are there for your review when you wake up!
@Ken J
“Just curious, but how exactly are they “less fortunate?” I’m working at 4am in the morning to be able to afford the place I live. They don’t work, they do drugs all day, drink booze, and they live for free. Sounds EASIER to me…”
1) They’re addicted to drugs. I treat these people regularly – they are less fortunate
2) Some of them do not work, in RENT it’s not always explained how people earn money, but while prescription companies give out some medications for free, drug dealers do not. I suspect (this is not a founded claim) that many of them “work” by selling their bodies. There’s a reason it’s called the “oldest profession.”
@Katherine
“Don’t worry about the fact that it’s probably their own fault”
That assumes that they had some choice about the circumstances into which they were born. Aside from the character of Mark, we’re given very little backstory on the characters.
@ John
“We are of a race [sic] born to strive. We cannot grow, or even survive, without the challenge of adversity…”
Amen.
~Doc
@Katherine
“And I love how Star Trek is fictional yet it still gives us that feeling that we can do anything and we can create a better future, etc.”
That’s why it’s Science Fiction and not Fantasy
Cheers
What happened?
200+ posts and now people seem angry? What happened to Star Trek?
Dr. Steve I have to say I agree with most of what you’ve said here. especially some of the socio-politcal musings.
But I will say this, as a fellow Italian I would think you would have a small bit of sympathy for those of us that spend a little too much time around the dinner table. I myself could stand to lose about 30 lbs. I’m sure. People can be little too hardcore about such things if you ask me.
@ Sylar’s Hunger
I’m not clear of your criticism, so I’m not sure how to reply.
The people FOR Proposition 8 were exactly as you described them, ‘[individuals] who extols tolerance, inclusion, and unity, yet practices the opposite.” The people AGAINST it (people like me) try to extol tolerance, inclusion, and unity, and practices it, too. I’m not sure where I’m being bigoted, so please let me know.