Star Trek Review

Published 6 years ago by , Updated May 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am,

Short version: While hard core Trekkies may have some problems with it, this long time classic Star Trek fan found this reboot fun, fresh & exciting.


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Where to start? (This is going to be a long one, folks. If you want to skip the preamble and get right to the review itself click here.)

Some people are Star Wars fanatics, others go nuts over Transformers or X-Men. While I’m a huge Iron Man fan, Star Trek is my true love going back well over 30 years. My favorite of all the shows? The Original Series (aka TOS). You may look at it now and think it looks cheesy (however I highly recommend you check out the digitally remastered version with brand new visual effects on DVD or Blu-ray), but remember the original Star Trek is over 40 years old.

At the time the other big Sci-Fi TV show was the cheese-fest called Lost in Space – so keep that in mind as a comparison. icon smile Star Trek Review

I have Star Trek prop replicas on my bookshelves (some pretty damned nice ones) along with a copy of the original Star Fleet Technical Manual by Franz Joseph and a set of blueprints of the original U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 (which shows the location of a bowling alley on the ship!). I’ve memorized every episode of the original series – I can tell you which one each one is within seconds of any of them starting. And I’ve seen every movie.

Yes, I’m into Trek “canon” – tracking all the little details that tie the whole Star Trek universe together, however I’m also aware (though some fans seem to be in denial about this) that over the course of hundreds of episodes across five different series, Star Trek itself has violated its own canon many times.

Why am I telling you all this? So you have some context for my review of J.J. Abrams’, Roberto Orci’s and Alex Kurtzman’s reboot of the Star Trek universe. However this is not a review just for “Trekkies,” and that’s appropriate because neither is this film just for that group of die hard fans (among which I include myself).

Also, I did read the four part prequel comic that tells the story which leads to the events that take place in the film. If you have a chance I recommend you find it and pick it up at your local comic book store as it really fleshes out the “villain” in the film, Nero.

Some fans may disagree, but this franchise was in desperate need of a reboot, re-imagination, fresh “take” or whatever you’d like to call it. Star Trek, as a brand, was whithering on the vine and was in danger of being put on the shelf for who knows how long – until Paramount might decide enough time had gone by to give it another go. This was due to a number of factors, among which included the subsequent series being taken in directions by Rick Berman (and to some exent, Brannon Braga) that the fans did not agree with. Essentially it was a case of “the fans don’t know what’s good for them – we’ll tell them what they want.”

From this we gained the ignoble death of Captain Kirk in a transition movie with a stupidly weak plot device, Star Trek: Voyager, the Lost in Space of Trek, progressively crappier movies and finally Enterprise: At least an attempt at something fresh in Trek, which unfortunately went off in some half-assed direction – and Manny Coto’s efforts to bring the show back to what it should have been in season 4 were too little, too late.

So… when it was announced that the new film would go back to before the original series crew had met I was both excited at the prospect and terrified of how it might turn out. I mean we’re talking about recasting iconic roles. Bill Shatner? Leonard Nimoy? DeForest Kelly and James Doohan?


But I tried to be cautiously optimistic over the course of very early news, pre-production and through the production. I listed this film as my most anticipated of the year…

And I was NOT disappointed.

So finally – the review…

Click here to continue reading our Star Trek review…

Our Rating:

4 out of 5

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  1. Nice to see you again Big D.

    Well I’ve done one semester of grade 12, I’m on holidays now for 2 weeks so it’s nice. I’ve only got 16 school weeks left and then I’m out in the big wide world! It’s exciting but slightly daunting considering I don’t really know what I want to do. I’m actually considering doing a bachelor of fine arts for acting which would be fun but we’ll see, I’ll probably work for a year first, even if I do decide what to do at uni.

    I’m in Brisbane at the moment, visiting family and friends, it’s a lot colder than I expected but it’s nice. Sounds like your niece had fun. I can’t say I’ve ever surfed or eaten crocodile or kangaroo. I do know of goon but I’ve never had any, as I’m not yet at the legal drinking age, haha.

    The year really has gone fast, it’s crazy. Sounds like you know how to throw a party, haha. I had a tea party for my birthday this year, we dressed up in our finery, ate scones, drank tea and then played Twister! Haha, it was great. I do look forward to hearing how you top plastic scuba divers.

    My Trekker shirt is my favourite, the problem with the others was that the iron-on tranfer paper is only designed for light coloured shirts but we were like “stuff that, let’s just try it and see how it goes”. So they’re a little bit dodgy but we love them so we don’t really care.

    Yeah I kinda think the new WW outfit is a bit boring to be honest. I guess it’s the modern look but it just doesn’t really grab my attention. But oh well, things always change I guess.

    It’s good to be back.

  2. Hello boys and girls…

    Recently found out I can post from my iPhone.

    • How goes it, Fury? Good to see you back! I was reading yesterday about William Shatner being in a new sitcom called $#*! My Dad Says (sic), based on, of all things, a Twitter feed someone started making of his father’s random but…”concise” observations. Could be either a disaster or a cult classic, but one quote from the original stood out: “You can’t swim. Son, you’re a good athlete but I’ve seen what you call swimming. You look like a slow kid on his knees trying to smash ants.”

      I wouldn’t mind hearing Shatner wrapping some curmudgeonly cadences around that…

  3. I’m excited! Today, my friend got a late birthday present: two Star Trek comics. Apparently they came from an opp shop and they’re so great, they’re in really good condition and they’re like in plastic packets and they smell great! So my plan is to go to the opp shop and buy as many as I can afford :D

    • Which ones are those, Katherine? Old/new? I never managed to get into any of the ST comics; as with all the Star Wars comic books and novels, I just wouldn’t know where to begin. I still haven’t read the Nero backstory job that was included with the Blu-ray edition of the movie. Let me know if they’re any good! And this is probably a silly question: what’s an opp shop?

      Hey, I was going to agree about taking some time to find what it is you want to do, but it looks like you’ve made the decision and gone for the “evil henchwoman apprenticeship” with Lex Luthor. Full marks for persuading him to colour-coordinate with the walls of his underground lair!

      • Re bagged comics: to paraphrase Colonel Kilgore, “I love the smell of mylar in the morning”…!

        • I don’t really know whether they’re old or new, sorry. I’ve never really looked at any ST comics before so yeah I don’t know much about the subject. An opp shop is like a second hand shop that gets all their stuff from donations etc.

          Haha, yeah well I went to Movie World while I was in Brisbane and there was no Superman, so I decided that I’d just have to become friends with Lex! And I’ve actually decided what I’m going to do after school! I had an epiphany yesterday afternoon, haha. So first I’m going to do a bachelor of arts majoring in psychology at my local university which is three years. Then I’ll be moving to Brisbane to do a 2 year masters of music therapy. I will then be a fully qualified music therapist! So I’m not sure if I’ll take a gap year or not, I’m going to see how I feel when I get there, and while I’m doing the psych degree I’m going to do music exams for grade 6 in piano, grade 7 in saxophone and grade 8 in singing.
          So that’s the plan, we’ll see how it goes :D

          • Ah right, like charity shops then. I raid my local ones for vinyl and CDs every couple of months – some of my best music has come from what other people have got rid of.

            Music therapy: now that’s a plan! The thing with psychology is that you can apply what you’ll learn to just about any field if you change your mind about where you want to take it by the end of the course, and keeping the old technical skills up to par as well sounds like a fine idea. I wish you well with that. Do you get any help with tuition fees, accomodation and that sort of thing?

            • Too right – one man’s trash is another man’s treasure, and all that jazz.

              Yeah I’m really excited about it!
              Well we have a thing called HECS fees and basically it means you don’t have to pay for the course at first or you just pay a llittle bit or something. Then once you’ve finished uni and you’ve got your job and you’ve earned a certain amount, then you start paying it back. So I guess it means you pay for it for a longer time, but it can be easier than having to pay it up front, especially seeing as just the masters degree is AU$13,100. At the moment accomodation is alright for me – I’ll just stay at home. When I move to Brisbane, I do have family there that have said I can board with them, or I might be married and find my own place, who knows?

  4. Good to see Katherine and Fury back. My quote still stands “You lied, everything you said.” Another hint; a character matching her name and description just had a walk-on part in my last installment of “Rapture” (I shortened the title, it sounds less fan-boyish that way.)

    Love the Trekker shirts, Ingenue. I doubt the transfers held up in the wash, but I’m glad you got a picture of them.

    I have been spending a lot of time speculating on what the Bronze-Age proto-Vulcanoid world of Mintaka 3 would be like, as well as fleshing out the Romulan Senate and the Preatrix’s staff.

    Preator Janus may be the villain, but she, like Ridgeway and Kirk, is also a legitimate authority figure and not some rogue megalomaniac. Therefore she must also be surrounded by characters who share her views, but have their own distinct personalities and skill sets to bring to the table. Just one “Trusted Lieutenant” and a bunch of “Minions” doesn’t cut it in this case.

    I believe that by the 23rd century, the “100 rules of the Evil Overlord” will take their rightful place next to “The Prince” and “The Art of War” on any aspiring Super Villain’s reading list.

    After all, you don’t want to strain the limits of believabilty, like they did in THIS series.

  5. So who saw Inception?

    • I went with a friend who made the same observation as Kahless did on the Review thread: Joseph Gordon-Levitt would make a good Neo if they ever rebooted The Matrix! We had the same reaction afterwards: “Yeah. That was alright.” Got it. Nice. No great desire to see it again. They’re already up towards 1700 comments on the Spoilers Thread; I love the fact that a film like this can get made at all, and that it’s causing the audience response it is (virtually unheard-of applause in the cinema we were in, heated discussion on the way out etc)…but although it evokes some kind of dream landscape, at no time did I FEEL I was entering someone else’s dream state.

      That’s what was missing for me. The real implications. That blurring of reality and hallucination – and where technology may be taking us through the virtual realm – was handled more effectively by David Cronenberg in eXistenZ and Videodrome. Although it was about time travel, Primer dealt with overwriting reality more profoundly on no budget, and Tarkovsky’s Stalker managed a deeper exploration of inner space with no special effects whatsoever. Talking of which, constantly seeing the best visuals on the trailers lessened their impact. The folding cityscape, the coastline of skyscrapers crumbling into the sea: the “Wo!” factor would have much higher for me if they’d come unexpected.

      At heart it’s a convoluted heist movie – an intellectual exercise that didn’t really incept a great deal in me. As somone else pointed out, similarities to Fellini’s 8 1/2, in that it’s a film about filmmaking. The manufacture of dreams. And the director in 8 1/2 is trying to make a sci-fi epic that references his own life, no less. Not a life-changer from my end. Maybe I’m just an empty shell of a husk of a thing…

      What did you make of it, fury?

      Not long ago I got hold of the entire run of the updated Battlestar Galactica, and watched it all for the fist time over a period of about a fortnight. For all its faults, I completely see the influence it’s had on the Trek movie (Stargate Universe too). Some of JJ Abrams’ visual choices make a LOT more sense to me now. The space battles looking the way they do, the brewery interiors, the costumes – even the camerawork and that old chestnut the lens flare, the reasons are all right there. For better or for worse, BSG has changed everything about how “traditional” SF will be depicted on the big screen, in the same way that Star Wars and the technology behind it basically dictated the look, editing and pacing of the initial Star Trek movies. It’s as much a departure from the style of the last thirty years as ST:TMP was from the format and appearance of the original series. With all the speculation starting again about the sequel, I just hope Abrams realises that in visual terms he’s competed and won…and that mucking about with that isn’t the point anyway, just as there’s more to BSG than shakeycam shenanigans and all-angles dogfights.

      • would have BEEN much higher

  6. Woo! Number 2682!!!

    • Good job Pikachu.

      On an unrelated note, how is everyone? Hope you’re all well.


    • They’re already past 3200 on the Inception thread though, Pikachu! Although there’s obviously a lot to discuss in that movie, I think at least some of that’s to do with the current page layout not allowing you to go back any further than one page at a time. Which means that people, understandably, don’t bother, and you just get endless reiterations of

      “It was all a dream!”

      “No it wasn’t!”

      “Yes it was!”

      and so on…

      I must admit if I’d had to read everything in reverse page-by-page when I first started posting on this thread I probably wouldn’t have bothered either, and that was when it was only around the 500 mark.

  7. Glad to hear from you Katherine. I still drop by here at least once a week to see if there’s anything new.

    Taking a screenwriting class this fall at the local CC, along with a Maya 3D modeling course. I may not do Pixar quality work, but stick around and you may witness the first flight of the “B.E.-’Prize”.

    Guess if I could do a cameo in my own story I’d be a better fit as Marvic than Ridgeway, just as long as he isn’t a “Marvic Sue”

    ST13 Rapture tag line; “A race on the brink of extinction, a world at the crossroads of civilization, the question is, which path will they choose?”

    • Ooh, have fun with your courses, they sound good.

      Haha, love it, “Ensign Sue MUST DIE”
      And good tag line.

      • I did like that Ensign Sue – never thought I’d appreciate a Japanese cute big-eye/Trek crossover! The Star Wars ones are pretty funny too.

        Well, the place I was trying to hire out for my birthday has lost their live music licence, and I’ve left it too late to get anything else together. As fortune would have it, the splendid Toxic Funk Berry chaps – who I was hoping would play at my “event” – are doing a gig that same week, so I’m hitching myself vicariously to their bandwagon. Which basically means…

        No stress, and cheap as chips – :-D


        No scuba divers (or the equivalent thereof) – :-(

        Ah well, you can’t have everything. How’s yerself?

        • Aww no scuba divers. I’m sure it’ll still be a blast.

          I have 10 weeks of school left! And two of the weeks are block exams and the last week we just have our graduation. Then I’ll be out in the big wide world… well almost, I’ll be at uni. It’s awfully exciting :D

          I watched Star Trek V on the weekend. I had forgotten how hilariously dodgy it is and was like “oh it’s not that bad” and then it got to the part with “God” and I was like “oh that’s right… hahahahaha”
          Oooh dear.

          • Yeah, we’ll soldier through somehow!

            Just ten weeks left, eh? Glad you’re excited about it – it can be a scary time for some. You’ve got direction and purpose, and I don’t doubt for one second that you’ll weather the transition!

            I haven’t watched V for a few years. Most people think of it now as a box office flop as well as the worst Trek movie, and although it certainly was compared to IV, it still made more than twice its budget. Despite that, it actually would have killed the movie franchise with the original cast if it hadn’t been for the TV show’s 25th anniversary coming up. If they hadn’t greenlit VI, Paramount were ready to go with Starfleet Academy: basically the same younger cast idea as the Abrams movie, twenty years ago.

            Producer/co-writer Harve Bennett stated after it came out: “The real problem with V was that the premise was faulty. You pick up a TV Guide and you read the log line which says ‘Tonight on Trek, the crew goes to find God.’ Automatically, and unconsciously, you know we’re not going to find God because no one has and no one will, and no one would be so arrogant to say what they’re depicting on screen is actually God, because others will say ‘No it’s not.’ So we know we’re going to face an anticlimax, a trick. The nature of the trick is the only suspense in the story. But you’d say this to Bill and he’d say ‘No, no, it’s the greatest adventure of all time!’ and I’d say ‘No, it’s not an adventure because everyone is ahead of you. So what we have to do is make getting there as interesting as possible.’”

            Shatner gets the blame, and rightly so, but in all fairness the end result had been pulled about by so many other conflicting parties (Paramount, the co-writers, the screenwriter, Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley unhappy with their roles etc etc) that it was never going to be anything wonderful. Add to that the budget problems meaning all the special effects had to be shot in just three months by someone other than ILM with no previous experience of Star Trek, and you have all the ingredients of a dud.

            Nimoy said afterwards “I gave him one piece of advice the first couple of days of shooting. I said stop talking so fast. It’s the sign of a first-time director. You come on a stage the first day on the set and you’re excited and you’ve got the adrenaline going and you’re nervous. If you want to spot a first-time director, you look for the guy with the sweaty palms, and he’s hyperventilating and he’s talking too fast. He thought that by talking fast it would speed up the schedule, but you couldn’t understand a word he was saying.”

            Harve Bennett again (wearing his producer’s hat this time): “I was offered a lot of money to control Bill’s appetites. They were extravagant because he didn’t know anything. He had spent all those years in front of a camera, and believed because he had directed TJ Hooker and Leonard had done it, he could too. Bill’d come in and present a concept and thought he was discovering the wheel. And you couldn’t say ‘No, that shot was used in Lawrence Of Arabia, it’s not worth $100 000 to get that shot in, and anyway, it won’t prove you’re a great director.’ It is funny how first-time directors try to be pioneers in craft. Nimoy, on the other hand, is three yards and a cloud of dust. Fundamental. Here’s a camera – shoot a movie. Billy Wilder shot like that. It works when the actors are working well, and the Trek family adored Leonard.”

            Hope you don’t mind me relaying all this babble – I just find the whole creative process endlessly fascinating. Imagination constrained by financial and scheduling pressures; ego versus the collaboration necessary to get any movie made. If it ends up a mess, I want to know WHY it ended up a mess!

            Gene Roddenberry summed V up diplomatically: “No one person made it terrible, and no one wanted it to be terrible.”

            …and then went and poured himself a large Scotch, I’d imagine. Time I did likewise!

            • Talking of TFB…


            • I love your babble Big D, it’s really interesting!

              • That’s a relief then! I thought you’d appreciate the perspective on Leonard Nimoy – seems there really is a Spock-like (Spock-esque? Spockian?) modesty and gentility about the man in real life. A generosity of spirit that comes through in such an understated but powerful way in the current movie and the TNG Unification episodes. In the latter he was playing a character in the twilight of his years, in the former he actually WAS in his twilight years. In each case I felt it was a slightly different Spock: one who’d moved on from Starfleet and embraced a bigger picture.

                Incidentally, I spoke to Dom the drummer after posting that TFB link and he freely admits they’re total media whores for entering that thing. They know they won’t win it but they’ve made some good contacts and got some exposure they wouldn’t have had otherwise. Personally I find it surreal, bizarre and slightly…creepy to see them being packaged in that format. It’s not what I would have done at their age, but I suppose that’s the nature of the internet age and how music’s presented these days. I’ll call it a temporal anomaly…

                • Yeah Leonard Nimoy is probably my favourite actor. And without sounding creapy and strange, if I could adopt him as my Grandfather, I totally would.

                  True, true. I guess maybe they take the “any publicity is good publicity” approach to life. Things certainly are done different these days (although it feels weird me saying that, seeing as well, I’m young, haha)

                  • I believe that can be arranged via the AdoptaSpock scheme! Me, I’m waiting for the AdoptUhura one…

                    You’re right, that’s exactly how they see it – to them there’s no difference between that and the festival thing they entered last year. On the plus side at least they’re being proactive about it – so many people get nowhere slogging away at the same old thing on the same old circuit for years.

                    • AdoptaSpock?

                      So true, if they’re getting somewhere doing what they love, it’s a good thing.

    • Good luck with the courses, BE. I had a brief whirl with Maya about eight or nine years ago when trying to combine hand-drawn figures with computer-generated landscapes. Suffice to say I didn’t get very far with it. Maybe I should have gone with Bryce, which is more of a specialised fractal landscape generator.

      Bryce was the software Dave Gibbons and Angus McKie used on The Dome: Ground Zero from 1998. Definitely some nice effects, but McKie used Poser for the human figures and they’re terrible. Really poor. Blank, characterless faces with fewer expressions than Captain Scarlet, and smooth clothing. He lists the hardware they used, which is always quite amusing to look back on from a future vantage point. Mike Saenz did it with Shatter and his other CGI comic work from the ’80s/early ’90s, and you just marvel at how they managed to produce anything at all, even if it hasn’t aged well. And it hasn’t, to be frank. I think the first time I saw anyone finding the technology used to produce the work itself worthy of remark was Arthur C Clarke in the 1982 afterword in 2010: Odyssey Two, where he stated proudly that he’d written the manuscript using…(gasp)…a WORD PROCESSOR!! I remember thinking at the time that he of ALL people should realise trumpeting that kind of thing would look as comical ten years down the line as if he’d rattled on in the ’40s about writing his shopping list using…(gasp)…a BALLPOINT PEN!!!

      I’d love to see what you do with the Enterprise. What’s your view on the whole double-scale thing? I just can’t accept the new version suddenly being the size of the D or E for no reason other than visual laziness, particularly when it has fewer windows and even less surface detail than the TOS or TMP Enterprise.

      • I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating: Clarke’s WORD PROCESSOR!! didn’t affect his writing style one iota, or make the story any better…

    • Good luck with the courses, BE. I tried using Maya about eight or nine years ago to see what hand-drawn figures would look like on computer-generated landscapes, and didn’t get very far. Maybe I should have used Bryce, which is a specialised fractal-based landscape generator.

      Bryce was the software Dave Gibbons and Angus McKie used for The Dome: Ground Zero in 1998. Definitely some nice effects, but McKie used Poser for the human figures and it looked terrible at the time, never mind twelve years on. Blank, characterless faces with less expression than a Captain Scarlet puppet, and that dead giveaway smooth clothing – as if everyone’s dressed in shower curtains. It’s amusing to see the hardware listed at the end. Mike Saenz did that on Shatter and his CGI comic work from the ’80s/early ’90s, and you marvel at how they managed to produce anything at all with that equipment, whether it’s aged well or not. And most of it hasn’t, frankly. The first time I recall someone revelling in the technology used to produce the work was Arthur C Clarke’s 1982 afterword to 2010: Odyssey Two, in which he proudly stated that he’d written the entire manuscript on…(gasp)…a WORD PROCESSOR!! I remember thinking even back then that he of ALL people should be aware how meaningless that was going to look from anything other than a quaint historical perspective just a decade down the line. Same as if he’d made a big thing in the ’40s about writing his shopping list for the first time with…(gasp)…a BALLPOINT PEN!!!

      I’d love to see what you do with the Enterprise. Anything you’d change especially? What’s your view on the whole double-size thing? Different timeline or not, I can’t accept it suddenly being the same size as the D or E for no other reason than visual laziness on the part of Abrams, the production designer and ILM (“Oh, it just looks good with all those shuttles in that bay there like that. Let’s work off that scale – makes no difference, does it? Nah…”). Particularly if the new version can’t be bothered to scale down the windows and surface detail in line with it suddenly being twice the size of the TOS Enterprise.

      • Is that a double post or did I use Red Matter?

  8. I liked Inception ,but I think there has been a HUGE overreaction to it.
    I dont think it was a movie that had a twist ending,
    although I think that Nolan had a few visual tweaks in there to keep people thinking.
    Just before I saw the film ,
    I saw an interview with Nolan online,
    In which he said the movie was intened to question the nature of reality.
    And I think that was the point.
    That maybe when we left the theatre we would question the nature of OUR reality.
    But I dont think Nolan designed it to be this puzzle box of clues that people seem to think it is.
    Just my thoughts.
    Always nice to drop by here .
    Glad you all are still going strong.
    May it continue until the sequel arrives!

    • With you on that, Gary. I can’t help feeling the OMG!!!! reaction is partially an age thing. Not to be snobbish, but have those who’ve read endless profundity into it actually seen that many non-mainstream, non-Hollywood movies? If not, then I can understand why Inception would appear like a bolt from the blue for them.

      Although I have a real struggle with not over-analysing films in a dismissive “seen-it-all-before” way, I can still enjoy movies on a purely visceral level…and then pick them to bits later. Unless the “elephant in the room” is too massive to avoid at the time. It’s very rarely I like or dislike a movie 100%: I can see flaws in ones I love, and good elements in ones I loathe. Unlike, say, ST Nemesis – whose elephantine script and direction crimes proved insurmountable – I came out of the JJ Abrams Trek with a big, sloppy grin on my face, and it was only later I thought “Hang on, what about THAT…and THAT…” I’ll forgive Abrams & co the far worse plot holes on this Trek movie just as long as they don’t do it all again in the next one!

  9. I suppose we are lucky they didn’t make it 10x bigger, like they did in ST-V’s turbolift shaft scene. Sorry Katherine had to re-live “Shatner’s Folly”, but she’s young and will probably recover.

    Often it falls to the fans to make sense of what the pro’s got wrong, I am a big fan of the “First Contact” time line digression theory, where humanity is now aware of the existence of the Borg and has even recovered and analyzed wreckage of the queen’s time sphere. This has led to advances in metallurgy (bigger ships) and cybernetics (robot police and firemen).

    Counselor Troi may have called Zep Cochrane “Nuts”, but the US Government took him and his projects quite seriously, as they generally don’t hand the keys to a nuclear missile complex (with the nukes still inside) to just anybody. Cochrane and Lilly Sloan’s tales would have been taken seriously too, but the investigation of the attack and the efforts to respond to the threat were done under utmost secrecy.

    Since common knowledge of the role of warp drive in time travel would likely lead to a ban on further research, Cochrane was easy to keep quiet (for the sake of his “vision”). Lilly was bought off with a high-paying consulting gig as United Earth’s “Borg Expert” Sulu’s new katana is one result of her recommendations, as she was the first to note the effect of “primitive” edged and projectile weapons against collective drones.

    The rival theory is that we are in the mirror universe, a hundred years after Yoshi took over the Empire with the Defiant and reformed it along the lines of the “Federation” that she learned about from the “alternate” historical record.

    Enough geeking out for now, glad you liked Ensign Sue. I especially loved the Chibi bearded mirror Spock’s “Live long and bite me” line, now THAT would be a cool T-Shirt.

    • Hoshi’s Empire legacy: I like that idea, but it doesn’t account for the lack of Mirror-style evil/aggressive ambition in the characters themselves. I’m not averse to a super-sized Enterprise as long as there’s a rational explanation for it…and as long as they sort out making it look to scale instead of just telling us it’s massive, or expecting us to infer it from inconsistent visual clues.

      The First Contact theory definitely makes sense. Of course, advances in cybernetics at that stage would mean Data wouldn’t be considered at all special by the 24th century. Or maybe their application would be severely monitored and controlled, which would account for the general lack of robots and androids in the ST universe – post-Borg or not. As the RedLetterMedia guy pointed out so succinctly, the crew of the Enterprise blundered about so extensively in Cochrane’s timeline that it almost didn’t need the Borg to screw things up. The major change they made being to the flight of the Phoenix itself. Before their intervention, did history record anyone on board with Cochrane, or was he supposed to have gone up alone? If Riker and Geordi were seen boarding the Phoenix, how to explain their absence from the history books?

      I seem to remember someone raising this a while back, but would Mirror Borg be tree-hugging hippy Luddites? Just a thought…

      YES – “Live long and bite me” would make a fine t-shirt! Now then, where’s Katherine…

      • Ever since I got your link to Red Letter, I have been striving to create a “Plinkett-proof” storyline, using the inconsistencies in ST-9 to explain the inconsistencies in ST-11 in such a way that they cancel each other out (and having a lot of fun doing it).

        There were no androids until Data in the ORIGINAL timeline, but a robot was the very second character we saw (in the preview) in the Abrams-verse, and in the trusted position of law enforcement officer to boot.

        My story has a robot fireman in damage control, a robot steward serving coffee in the briefing room scene, and handbills in Ridgeway’s strip club advertising android doubles of the featured dancers available for “other purposes”.

        All it would take to make this possible would be the recovery of a good sized chunk of the Borg Queen’s ship two centuries earlier and yes, by the 24th century Data would be little more than a high-school shop project. They may have even found a (relatively) intact drone corpse or two left over from the “Battle of the Deflector Dish”.

        The “Hoshi’s Defiant” theory isn’t really to be taken seriously, but it does explain why “Ensign Sue’s” Mirror Enterprise has maintained technical pace with the “good” universe, despite the greenie luddite Borg that live there.

        What can I tell you about “my” Enterprise that won’t spoil the reveal? Ships often reflect the personality of their designers. The JJ-’prise was “created” by Lawrence Marvic, a brilliant but obsessive and socially awkward man who just can’t seem to get any lovin’. The Sovereign Class Enterprise was Scotty Prime’s baby, technologically state of the art, but decidedly “Old School” in overall style. My Vindicator class is primarily the work of Spock Prime. Like him, it is graceful and elegant, but also businesslike, and above all, logical.

        • That cop’s not a robot though, BE; they originally shot him with an open-face helmet, weren’t happy with the way it looked and added the visor digitally later. On the commentary Abrams is asked if he’s a robot and replies “I don’t know, I think he was in a bad accident…”

          The “Battle of the Deflector Dish” – yes indeed, there’s got to be at least the odd severed arm knocking about after that…

          I look forward to your logical ‘Prise!

  10. Howdy all. It took me FOREVER to find the link to this. (Note to Vic – the search system on SR does not make finding just a movie review easy.)

    Anyway, hello to eveyone. I hope all is well and we haven’t lost anyone permanently. I so look forward to our *civilized* discussions on Star Trek 2 as it approaches.



    • Welcome back, Doc

      If you haven’t read it yet, my last installment was one page back and I didn’t see any word from you afterward.

      It’s slowed down here a bit, but there’s a lot less whinging about Abrams, we got that part out of the way about a year ago LOL.

      We seem to have lost Johnny which is a shame, I may have to dig waaay back and find his comment about that political site he was posting on and see if I can find him.

      Ingenue and Big D still drop by on a weekly basis and Kahless and Fury are still lurking.

      Oh yes, and my TOS quote still stands “You lied, everything you said!”


    • Doc,

      Hmm… I see what you mean. However putting Star Trek review in quotes (“star trek review”) made it come up #1.

      I may need to see what I can do there.



    • Good to see you back, Doc. Hope you’ve been keeping well.

      • The phrase, ‘Physician, heal thyself’ comes to mind, but yes, I tend to take care of myself. A healthy doctor leads to healthy patients, or so they tell me. Now, if only healthy doctors could stare at their lawns and have them miraculously mown…



  11. Shana to Kirk, Gamesters of Triskellion. I didn’t know the game was still afoot!


  12. And Doc wins the pointy-eared kewpie doll! I really don’t know if anybody else is playing either, but that one was out there for a while. Sure didn’t take you long once you got back here.

  13. I am well-versed in the original, after all. :-)

    “I take all the blame. Let me repeat, he’s clever as well as extremely violent.”


  14. Okay, some of you may have seen this before, but in case you haven’t I have to share this.

    TOS shots to the song Tik Tok by Ke$ha. It is hilarious!

    • Agreed! I have seen that before, but it’s still just as funny!



    • Katherine, that’s brilliant – made my evening! Thanks, I hadn’t seen that at all! Nice editing: someone took some time and effort, and obviously had a lot of fun doing it. I’d forgotten so much drinking went on on the Enterprise. McCoy at 1:57 – priceless. The party don’t start till I walk in…

      Bless ya!

      • Haha, I have too many favourite parts of it!

        • Yeah, I think people tend to have this idea that major character development only went on in the TNG era; you can see it was all there in the original, just bound a little more by the conventions, restrictions and acting styles of the 1960s. Digging those square glasses too!

          • Totally.
            I think this video has also given me a greater appreciation of the song… I never realised how catchy it is.

            • Catchy like a fox! Not my thing at all, but I can see where it’s coming from. The main riff’s actually not dissimilar to Lady Gaga’s “Just Dance”; Auto-Tuned vocals, but superior production and better lyrics. Although certain sections of the internet would have you believe Gaga is an Illuminati-backed pawn of the New World Order (I kid you not). There’s probably a blog out there right now informing us how mash-up videos on YouTube cut to popular music are some form of covert mind control…

              It’s not logical, Captain!

              • Haha, I have to say that I’m usually not a fan of the Lady Gaga type techno/dance/whatever you want to call it. I’ll take ABBA or any 90s pop over today’s rubbish pop any day…

                • I’ll take mid-80′s – mid-90′s pop (skip the rap) and ABBA, too. But, unlike most modern artists, I do think Lady Gaga has talent, while lacking in her choices of cotour.


                  • With you on her questionable clothing choices, Doc! Including the pathological lack of trousers. Even that recent meat dress was done by the artist Jana Sterbak as far back as 1987…


                    • Ye gods, it’s 7.00 am here and I’m supposed to be working in five hours. That’ll be entertaining! Catch you anon.

                    • Haha, yeah she does seem to have something against pants…

  15. Here’s a tale. Over the weekend I went to see the band Killing Joke, whom I’d first caught at the Lyceum in London back in 1981. On the way out I spotted a guy whose band I also first saw at the same venue, same year (maybe a couple of months before). His name is Spizz, and his lot were called Spizzenergi when they recorded this back in 1979:-

    There are actually quite a few of these on YouTube – Star Trek clips over the song – so I’m clearly not the only one who remembers it fondly! Here’s another (it’s only a couple of minutes long, so it doesn’t outstay its welcome):-

    The following year they became Athletico Spizz 80 (they used to change their name every year to something with “Spizz” in the title; no idea why) and made a follow-up. I can’t find video or audio for the original anywhere, but here’s a live performance (performance being the operative term!) with added ska section from earlier this year. I particularly like the bit where he gets his pen out as if it were a flashlight and starts “looking for Spock”.

    Strange seeing him after all this time. I recall him a being a skinny little bloke with more in common with Ferris Bueller’s mate/ Captain Harriman of the Enterprise B Alan Ruck. He’s certainly eaten a few pies since then. Several, in fact. Unlike the recorded version of this you can’t really hear what he’s singing, so in case you were wondering, here ’tis:-

    The upshot is I can now say that I have shaken the hand that wrote “Where’s Captain Kirk?”. Bonus. Enjoy!

    • Very interesting! I love seeing new things from my good ol’ crew!



    • Haha, that’s great! Thanks Big D.

      Sorry I haven’t been on for a while, school has kept me from socialising; however I only have 3 weeks of high school left! It’s so crazy thinking about how we’ve been talking on here for so long and so much has happened in that time but we just keep going along on here.
      Even though we don’t talk as frequently as we used to, I’m glad we’re all still here.

      Love long and prosper ;)

      • Maximum points there for having your priorities right, Katherine! Yes indeed, it’s been a long time; I’ve appreciated everyone who’s been on here: your good self, the Doc, Bright Eyes, Fury, Kahless, Johnny, and all those before I started posting on here. Plus, of course, Vic himself for keeping the thread open through thick and thin.

        I’ll be sending you positive vibes through the ether in three weeks – no worries! :-D

  16. I dressed as Spock for a Halloween party…which was quite fun except for taping the ears. Who else dressed up?

    • Good job, haha.
      No dressing up for me, I don’t celebrate Halloween.

    • Good on you, Doc – keep the flag flying! I have to admit the only time I’ve ever dressed up for Halloween was many years ago when I went to a party dressed as Patrick McGoohan from The Prisoner: piped blazer with penny-farthing No 6 badge, deck shoes, straw boater and stripey umbrella. About my only coherent memory of that night was seeing some guy wearing a yellow shirt with an “arrowhead” badge and a photo of a cupcake stuck to his forehead. Naturally I had to enquire. “Captain James T Cake” was the reply.

      Ooookay then…

      These days round my way Halloween just seems to consist of even more goths than usual wandering about. Actually saw more people dressed up at the takedown party a couple of friends of mine put on last week at the end of their exhibition. They’ve been touting their comics around at conventions for nearly ten years now, and have seen the whole “cosplay” thing take off over here; they started taking random photos, refined it a bit and have just made a book collecting about 200 of the ones they liked. The exhibition was for the book launch and consisted of a collection of some of the pictures properly framed and hung at the Cafe 1001 in Brick lane. Actually a proper gig venue with one entire wall behind the DJ booth covered with horizontal neon strips, looking like the interior of a Cylon Baseship – if a Cylon Baseship had sofas, food and booze.

      Lots of people dressed as characters I’ve never heard of from video games I’ve never played. The gallery section at gives you some idea. Most original one I saw that evening was a girl in what I can only describe as a “Dalek dress”. I kept looking at one bloke thinking “What is wrong with that kid’s EYES???” before realising he was out of costume but still had the freaky contact lenses in…

      • …and then his girlfriend turned up in “civvies” as well, but with exactly the same contacts in, which was even weirder. I’d been curious, but at that point I actually didn’t want to know who they’d been dressed up as before that – thought it better to preserve the mystery…

        I meant to ask, Doc – what were the other costumes like at yours? Did Spock do the trick?

        • There were *lots* of creative costumes! One woman was dressed as a tree, another was the woman from “The Birds” complete with crows attacking her, plus several entertaining “run of the mill” costumes on might purchase at a store. Thankfully, I only had to shave minimal parts of my eyebrows to achieve the Spock effects, and surgical glue works wonders to make pointed ears! (Note: one should only use surgical glue if one also has the solvent to undo it when one is done for the evening; otherwise, it is a terrible idea.)

          • You went the full country mile then – glued ears sounds harsh. Hope they’ve recovered, and the eyebrows too! The Birds outfit made me laugh out loud; that’s an inspired idea! I suppose another might have been to just to carry a clothes-drying rack covered in birds to simulate them “sitting on the telephone wires” behind her…

  17. Hi guys! Guess what? I’ve finished high school! Haha! I finished two Fridays ago and then went on ‘schoolies’ which for most school leavers consisted of getting smashed every night, however I went on a Christian schoolies camp to this island. It was so amazing! And I met a fellow Trekker whilst there, haha! I got there on Monday wearing my ‘Trekker’ shirt and saw this guy wearing a shirt with the Enterprise and something else, I dunno. Anyway we soon became friends ;P

    But yeah, it’s so exciting! How are we all?

    • Hiya Katherine – all done then! Sounds like you’ve been doing something constructive with your time instead of the usual (and inevitable). A lot of outward-bound stuff? Boats involved, or was that just getting to the island? I’ve always enjoyed camping, and I’ve got some great memories of working on a farm years ago doing charcoal burning with this bloke who was a proper Sussex countryman – and poacher, as it transpired… He’d be pointing out all the flora and fauna that I didn’t have a clue about. Learned a lot from him.

      We’d set up big steel kilns in woods nearby (we were using mostly wood from trees that had been blown down in the storms of 1987), and camp out next to them over a two or three-day period so we could adjust the oxygen flow to the flues and control the burn. Woke up one morning and found a herd of tiny fallow deer nuzzling around outside the tent. Pheasant, miniature quail, the usual rabbits – all kinds of creatures that ordinarily would have taken cover if you’d just been blundering through there oblivious.

      Trekkers: they’re here, they’re there, they’re everywhere! Excellent way of finding a bit of common ground with someone straight off the bat, so to speak. Have you kept in touch?

      • Well the activities available were sand boarding, night sand boarding, sea kayaking, night kayaking (in a lake), tubing, snorkelling, fishing, 4WDing, an island tour thing, golf, mini golf, lawn bowls, swimming obviously and lots of board games, card games, Twister (which I played a lot of) and there were a few little shops and a gelati shop ;D
        Yeah I used to go camping heaps when I was younger, but this wasn’t really camping, we were staying in a Surf Life Saving Clubhouse.
        Oh wow, that would be amazing. I want to go overseas! Haha

        So true, yeah we’re Facebook friends, bahaha, we talk every now and then.

      • Oh and there was a jet ski!

    • Well done, Kat! I overindulged only once and vowed never to do it again. I still don’t understand why people want to get like that; I hated it. I’m surprised, although delighted, to see this thread still going.

      • Yeah I’ve never had alcohol. Next year, haha. But even then I don’t plan on getting drunk, it doesn’t really appeal to me, haha.
        And yes, it dwindled a tad, but we kept it going… it’s been going for like a year and a half now!

  18. Is the quote game still going on? If so, what is it?

  19. It is, Kahless. See my post about 2 months ago. :-)

    • I think that the quote was by the hapless asylum director referring to Garth of Izar.
      Just can’t recall his name.

      Shout out to Ingenue, Big D, Doc, and Kahless. Much like the Botany Bay, life signs here are faint and intermittent, but the long journey through the void between films continues.

      Kurtzman and Orci are doing their best to keep the new story under wraps, and I know that if I am to stand any chance with my own treatment that I must do the same. I have therefore avoided any online mention of ST13 Rapture outside of this forum.

      Without all of your suggestions and encouragement my little Pon Farr idea would have never grown into Act 1 of a pretty solid script. My screenwriting instructor was very impressed by what I have done so far, and has taught me a great deal about how to tighten it up and make it crackle and hum.

      Maybe someday I will get the chance to pitch it to Leonard Nimoy, A quixotic Trek Fan quest I know, but the story simply can’t be done without him on board. I sure hope he stays with us for a few more years.

      • From what I remember, they had to really beg him to act in this last movie; I think that was it for him. It is a shame, really; of all the talented people involved with Trek, he was by far my favorite.

        I wish you all the best with Rapture. Just make sure you don’t use the same method Jake used to write his story in DS9. :-)

        • I think that Leonard Nimoy has decided he’s ready to be done working, and I can’t blame him. We owe him so very much, as Star Trek fans, and he is well-deserving of his retirement. While I would love to see him don the ears again, I’m content to let him live his life here on however he deems fit. And, Zack Quinto is well-deserving of inheriting the ears as well. I only hope he and the others in the new cast realize what a gift they’ve been given in being chosen for these roles. Let’s hope none of them make a Kirstie Alley mistake.


    • “I take all the blame. Let me repeat, he’s clever as well as extremely violent.”

      Found it. I think Bright Eyes is right; that sounds like the asian doctor from Garth of Izar.

      That’s Lord Garth!!

      Oh, sorry, beg your pardon. :-D

      • Sorry. No Garth. “Dagger of the Mind.” Dr. Adams. I don’t usually give away my own answers, but it’s been two months… I hereby pass the questioning to Kahless. Make it a good one!


        • Oh drat! So no gagh necklace? :-)

          I can’t remember anyone else saying this, so here goes:

          “He is not sane”

          • Oh sorry. This was from TOS.

          • Spock to the Romulan Commander (unnamed) in “The Enterprise Incident.”?

            • And the man gets a crate of Romulan ale! Don’t drink it all at once. :-)

              • You might say I’m drunk on power :)

                “Did you see the love light in Spock’s eyes?”

  20. Not referring to Lord Garth but to Doc Van Gelder. Drat, my geek-fu was weak on that one.

    Not beyond the capabilities of Hollywood make-up wizardry to transform Quinto into Spock Prime if it came down to it I suppose, but Nimoy’s voice is another matter.

    Speaking of Kirsty Alley, the final scene of my treatment includes the reveal of an off-the-charts cute 5 year old Savvic. Remember that the Vulcan beam-up protocol was women and children first.

    Much like my script, both Savvic and Valeris were still bucking very long odds, but they had one more thing in their favor, and that is that Enterprise crew members, both past, present, and future, (I guess technically they’re all future.) tend to be very, very, lucky.

    • I think that Saavik was probably the best non-Roddenberry character introduced into the series. It’s no secret that they wanted her for ST VI and wound up creating Valeris when (yet again) she refused to play the part. Idiocy, I say.

      Cheers to all,


  21. I’ll take a proximity-blast phaser shot in the dark and say that it was McCoy to Kirk in “The Ultimate Computer”.

    My Claudia Christian Preatrix villain may or may not be the Enterprise Incident Commander.

    News of Vulcan’s implosion caused a major shake-up in the Romulan senate. The male Preator referred to in BOT was preparing to send a cloaked warbird (commanded by Ben Cross) to attack the Neutral Zone Federation outposts.

    Commander Verus (thanks for the name, guys) a decorated veteran of the Gorn war, objected to the plan, saying that the secret of the cloaking device should not be squandered on a direct attack when they had such an excellent opportunity to use it to ferry spies into the Federation who could infiltrate posing as Vulcan survivors.

    The Preator called her a coward. Having lost her fiance to the Gorn and her parents to the Earthers, she did’t take that well and challenged him to a duel, which he foolishly accepted. Shortly thereafter the Preator’s reign ended at the business end if Verus’ Lirpa (I guess technically both ends are business, but I digress) and she was installed as “provisional” Preator.

    Building a better Villain is challenging, but a lot of fun. Aside from the mighty Khan, my favorite movie baddie was General Chang, with the Borg Queen as a close second. My least favorite was Dr Soren, who proved that you could be an acting legend and even kill Captain Kirk, and still not be taken seriously if you weren’t written well.

    We all pretty much agree that Khan is king, but how do you rank the rest, and why? Discussion, anyone?

    • He shoots – he scores!

      And I agree that Khan and Chang are the best villians in Trek – both written by Nicholas Meyer. (I know he didn’t originate Khan, but he made him so deliciously vengeful) Soren did indeed let down, but so did Christopher Lloyd. V’ger was lame, the Probe was cool and mysterious, but not a “villian” in the true sense of the word. We’ll skip “God” entirely from ST V, and you’re not left with much. I didn’t find Nero to be very well acted, as he never seemed to be as… sincerely wicked as Khan. I mean, what line did Nero utter that came close to “I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her: marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet… buried alive.”



  22. Christopher Plummer’s Chang showed us that you didn’t need an elaborate back story for your heavy to make them work.

    He was simply a typical Klingon warlord who wanted to keep it Old School. It was hard not to root for him just a little, just as it’s hard not to smile at some of the lines spoken by the pre-reformation Ebeneezer Scrooge.

    My turn? “You learn to watch you back around those people” -TNG

    • No clue about the quote, but I’m guessing it should be “your back” in it. I highly recommend you read Nicholas Meyer’s autobiography “The View from the Bridge,” which is relatively cheap in hard cover. He details how he came up with Khan, and more importantly (I believe) Chang, and he adds a huge amount of backstory that, upon reading it, you say “oh, of course!” While his book isn’t, in theory, on how to write great movies, a glimpse into his mind really reveals how he does it. I read it in a day.

      Good luck to the TNG people on the quote.


    • “You learn to watch you back around those people”

      That sounds soo familiar. The name Geordi keeps popping into my head but I’m not sure. Oh wait, could it be Chief O’Brian, about the Cardassians?

      Another great enemy is the Q, played by John Delancie, in TNG. Many people don’t like him because he is essentially a god. I also liked Kord.

  23. Kahless nails it! Can’t remember the title myself at the moment, and Doc was right about it being “your back”.

    Trying to keep the Villains discussion limited to the movies for now, just for simplicity’s sake. Nonetheless the Rapture story sets up an arc that leads to a confrontation with the Borg, and ultimately the Q.

    The Borg may not be the be the bad guys you expect though, when she finds out that they have been used as pawns by the Q to rid them of a bothersome race called humanity, the Queen is NOT amused!

    • Woo hoo! A years supply of hapeas claws for me! :-)

      “He’s biting that female!” – TNG

  24. Ahh! My internet hasn’t been working! Which is why I haven’t done this earlier:

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

    I hope your Christmas’s were wonderful and that the new year brings you happiness, joy and blessings xo

    • Indeed, Happy New Year’s Day to all members as we head a year closer to the sequel!

  25. Happy New Year to everyone. This thread’s spanned three years now!

  26. Plinkett’s finally got round to doing an epic 70-minute review of the Trek movie at – firm but fair, I think. Insightful and funny as ever, and his long-awaited demolition of Revenge Of The Sith is up too. Great stuff.

  27. Alright, everyone’s back; I hope everyone had a wonderful New Year. How about a stab at my next generation quote (I know Doc): “He’s biting that female”

  28. Late to the party but happy New Year.

    Feeling a bit sorry for dragging the quote game into NextGen territory, where my knowledge is less than encyclopedic.

    Busted a gut over the latest Plinkett review, which seemed as much a review of ST-TMP as it was of the latest movie. Can’t say I approve of his other hobbies, but he sure knows good Trek-Fu.

    So much easier to criticize than to create. I’ve been reading “A View From the Bridge”, recommended to me by Doc and a few other of my friends from the meat world, and trying to internalize what my screenwriting teacher told me about the four “C”‘s of Character, Conflict, Crisis, and Clock. I certainly know the characters and the universe that they inhabit, but I’m still reaching for that Genesis Device that will make Rapture more than just a mash-up of Amok Time, Balance of Terror, A Private Little War, Errand of Mercy, The Enterprise Incident, Friday’s Child, and The Wrath of Khan.

    Likewise my ship has to be more than just the current movie saucer section grafted onto a cross between the propulsion sections of the Ent-E, Voyagers’ “USS Dauntless”, The USS Titan of the novels, and ST Online’s USS Aventine.

    Thanks a million for all of your feedback and suggestions. As this thread enters it’s third year, here’s wishing BD, Doc, Kahless, Katherine, and anybody else still lurking out there a happy, productive and prosperous 2011!

    • I hope you find “View from the Bridge” as much as I did. I love glimpses into creative minds.



    • Should I choose a TOS quote, or give you a hint? If you’d like a hint: The person who said this was not human nor Klingon.

      • Hey, I think I actually remember this one! Is it when Data gets a daughter… Lal? And she sees two people kissing? I can’t remember the name of the episode.

  29. Hi everyone, how are we all?
    Long time no speak/type.

    So for the past week my friend was telling me she had a present for me and I was like “ooh random present” but I didn’t know what it was.
    Then today I saw her at uni and she gave me… “I Am Spock”
    Needless to say I was extremely excited because I’ve looked for it before but haven’t found it and she found it in a second hand shop.
    Documentation of my excitement:!/photo.php?fbid=1870518441275&set=a.1738694465758.2098825.1190533923&makeprofile=1

    Hope to hear from you all soon!