‘Star Trek Into Darkness’ Spoilers Discussion

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Our readers will soon get to talk about this movie in the comment section of our forthcoming Star Trek into Darkness review, but this is the place where you can discuss Star Trek Into Darkness spoilers without concerns about ruining the movie for people who haven’t seen it yet.

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Star Trek Into Darkness runs 132 minutes and is Rated PG-13 for intense sequences of sci-fi action and violence. Now playing 2D, 3D, and 3D IMAX theaters.

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  1. Die hard Trekkie who saw the midnight showing Wednesday/Thursday with a non-Trekkie who has only seen the 09 movie. I absolutely LOVED it, just as I loved the 09 movie.

    The Spock/Kirk dynamic was my favorite theme throughout, with each learning from and accepting the other for their point of view. The scenes at Starfleet about the mission report made me laugh out loud. The flip on TWOK death scene worked great in that in both timelines, the lesson is pretty much the same and the impact on the character is poignant. I did, however, cringe quite effusively when Spock shouts “Khaaaaaan!”. That didn’t work in this timeline quite the same and seemed, well…kind of cheesy (more than usual). It was also unnecessary as the parallels between the scene from TWOK were very clear from the get go.

    The tribble foreshadow was extremely obvious, so that lessened the impact on Kirk’s death somewhat. Spock getting all emotional got me all emotional. *sniff sniff*

    Pike’s death was heartbreaking and unanticipated, so that worked well. I loved Pike’s character so it will be sad that he’ll not be in the next film, assuming there is one.

    LOVED Scotty, but HATE his sidekick. It smacks of ewoks and/or Jar Jar Binks from SW. Ick. Thankfully there wasn’t much to see of it this time.

    Benedict Cumberbatch was all kinds of awesome as Harrison/Khan. Keeping him frozen at the end allows for a comeback, and I’d totally go for that. As for the reveal, it was a fantastic moment for me as a die hard fan, but my friend who hadn’t heard of Khan didn’t get it. My friend knew he was missing something big, and spent much of the rest of the movie trying to figure out what/when it was missed. I think for the new fans, the reveal was very confusing and a low point in the movie, whereas for me it was a high point.

    I hope there’s a third film, but I couldn’t help but feel like Into Darkness may be a tv series setup given the reference to the 5 year mission. Didn’t the actors sign on for three films though?

    I love the reboot and can’t wait to see what Abrams does with Star Wars!

    • I would hardly say Pike’s death was unanticipated. As soon as he said he was back in command of the Enterprise I though, “Welp, he’s dead.”

    • Great review sawyer. I loved the film too, and I’m not a very hard core Trekie. But I have seen all the movies, and thought the Khan twist was great. As for Scotty’s sidekick, well, at least he is only in the film for 5 minutes (as opposed to the ewoks who were practically the stars of Episode 6)

      • The shots taken against Scotty’s little green buddy are lame and cliched. That guy is a riot. Also taking shots at the Ewoks is stupid. They were perfectly fine, no different than the Jawas or Ughnaughts. Make up your own mind about these things don’t just repeat what you hear other people say.

    • Thanks for your awesome review Sawyer. You vindicate the movie quite nicely. No truer words have been said of the movie than what you stated. Thank you.

    • I agree, the tribble thing was crazy obvious and seemed awkwardly inserted. Plus, why did they need Kahn’s blood specifically when they already had 70+ supersoldiers in cryo on the Enterprise? They even took one out of his pod (in a coma, but defrosted) so they could put Kirk into it.

    • I loved the movie and thought Cumberbatch was fantastic. I feel better that I wasn’t the only one thinking “oh, come on!” at the death scene. Too much deja vu all over again.

  2. This movie clearly opened up Pandora’s box so wide open that what’s inside is gonna get REALLY ugly.

    I see the hints of Gary Mitchell for the third film, now that Kirk has the augmented cells inside of him.

    The Klingons will not let their dead comrades go without waste as they will trace the signatures of the weapons to a federation phaser. Conflict with the Klingons is inevitable.

    The Federation has become more militaristic, like the Romulans, and the Klingons! Let alone they’re keeping the Augments and Khan himself alive and on the planet. They’re not exiling them let alone killing them. Yes they have the ability to do so, as humans survived the Eugenics Wars. They’re not immortal. This knowledge alone if a terrorist is involved, there will be more, someone will attempt to rescue Khan, or a terrorist group such as Terra Prime will attempt to use that technology to tear the Federation into a Civil War. OR The Klingons will revisit their encounter with Dr. Arik Soong and the Augmentation technology. Which will not end well, this is where we get our more human looking Klingons from TOS, and General Chang. Explained in Enterprise. Everything that happened in Enterprise is constant to this mirror universe.

    Section 31 has always been a hush hush in Star Trek Lore. The fact that we saw them in action. Against Kirk and the Enterprise. That’s really big. But for military use against the Klingons. Wow!!

    NOW FOR ALL THOSE Confusion, I remember an episode on TNG, where it was explained, that even if time and all the events were altered, you cannot change what is destined to happen. Pike died, Spock will die, Gary Mitchell will happen, a direct conflict with the Klingons will happen, Carol and Kirk will have David at some point, David will be killed by the Klingons, Genesis will be invented, the probe will threaten Earth, So many things. But it will happen in a different way.

    I think they just opened this thing up so wide.

    • @Wally.

      I do not think that Kirk will go Gary Mitchell.

      • That’s a misunderstanding and it’s my fault. I didn’t say Kirk will go Gary Mitchell. I meant with the Augmentation inside Kirk, could stand a better chance at fighting Gary Mitchell.

        • I REALLY hope Gary Mitchell will be in the next one, that would be awesome

        • He won’t go Mitchell because McCoy said,”I isolated the healing aspect of Khans blood to save you”. He knew better than to make Kirk like Kahn.

  3. I’ve been a die hard Star Trek fan for over 25 years, and I thought this movie was terrible.. It was dumbed down to attract a simple audience. I liked the 2009 Star Trek because it was a smart reboot that still made sense with the original timeline. This monstrosity was just a stupid money making sequel that followed the rules of all money making sequels. I’m waiting for a new TV series!

    • I was never a fan of the show but loved the 09 movie. I couldn’t agree more. There were some awesome parts to this one but most of it was routine, cheesy and predictable. Big let down after a fun, smart and exciting movie a from a few years ago.

    • This didn’t dumb anything down at all. They did a fantastic job with the writing and working with the new timeline. How you liked the 2009 film and not this one is beyond me.

    • Yup. I am in complete agreement. I just finished seeing it. I liked the 09 movie, despite the terrible writing, but this one? Pure garbage. It, of course, looked good, like all JJ stuff does, but this time you can’t polish a turd, no matter how hard you try to.

      Please get these hacksauce writers off of this franchise. Everything about this film was contrived retread.

      I’ve been a fan even longer than you have, but I tell ya, I will break a tradition going back to 1982, if the next movie comes out and is written by these clowns. I WILL totally boycott it.

      I’m officially done apologizing for Nu-Trek. They killed me this time.

      I’m with ya, lets forget these STINO movies and get a new series on the air that has direction, and actual science fiction writers.


      • You know, I’m guessing you must have been born on a highway, because that’s where most accidents happen.

  4. The guy who played Khan is excellent. I’m thinking Batman sometime in his future

    • …YYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSS!!!! Benedict Cumberbatch as Batman would be awesome, he already plays Sherlock Holmes 😀

      • Nono.. Make him the next Joker!

    • Benedict is great, sure, it’s just the script he had to work off of was complete trash.

      The guy himself is good though, I’ve never watched his Sherlock series, but I have seen Tinker Taylor as well as stinktrek into darkness.


  5. Personally I can see why alot of you thought Spock saying “KHHHAAAAANNNNNN” felt cringe worthy but I thught it had alot of emotion when he said it and it really worked with how his character was feeling. Yes they havent known each other as long as they did in TWOK but they still had a great friendship, and all that Spock went through (his planet being destroyed, losing his mother, etc.)he couldnt lose his best friend.

    • It was total cheese, but at least Zack did it pretty well.

      Ugh, this whole film was pure cheese.


  6. *thought

  7. Excuse I don’t speak English and a translator use…

    I won’t see it until the month of August, thanks to the politicians of I pirate, supported by the international companies of distribution of films… : (.

    Thank you for their information, I am a hard Trekker and the universe of JJ, he/she goes toward the universe MIRROR, but same it is enjoyed.

    The one that doesn’t interest them the race of Khan, is thanks to the ideals that Rondenberry inspired for an ideal future, but Khan it is Indian and Montalban to the Latin being gave the height. (Jim West, afro-american??? jajajajaja…).

    Another serious error, is the flag of Great Britain, did the current nations end in the century 21 and are single vestiges, as us we do see to the Empire Austria/Hungarian and other missing nations of that time (do I gestate political of JJ???).

    Don’t continue comparing the above-mentioned to JJ, the universe of JJ is another space/time, and what appears in him, will be the true…. an example; were the parents of Kirk farmers or astronauts???

    Maybe some day, return to the ideals of Rondenberry in STAR TREK… and not single pyrotechnics and good performances…

  8. This may have been said already, but the twist of Cumberbatch being Khan is only a twist because they got an actor who looks and sounds NOTHING like the Ricardo Montalban. Khan was frozen, so he wouldn’t have been changed by the new timeline.

    The twist only works for those who are familiar with the original movies who would know what Khan looks and sounds like. For newcomers, the twist is lost on them not knowing who Khan is. So that part fell flat on me.

    Other than that, I thought the movie was great. Good pacing and good acting, and I really liked Cumberbatch as a villain, and the Klingons were portrayed perfectly IMO.

    • Similar to the young enterprise cast, they weren’t going for lookalikes, they were going for actors that could play the characters really well. Because of his performance, there was something about him as Khan that really worked for me.

      • yeah but uhura is still black and Sulu is still asian. But Khan isn’t anymore. But Cumberbatch did do an amazing job!

      • you may have missed my point: it’s not about race or lookalikes, it’s that Cumberbatch is so far from Khan as far as accent and (ok) skin tone, etc. They kept this a secret to be a surprise, but if they had tried to make Cumberbatch talk and look like Khan, we would have seen it coming. It was a cheap “secret” that he was Khan.

        I’m not complaining about the film or Cumberbatch’s performance, more the marketing and *oooh* secrets.

    • The same can be said for Star Trek 2. Unless you were familiar with the Khan character from the series “The Wrath of Khan” meant nothing to them either.

      • Uh, they didn’t try to hide that Khan was the villain in ST 2. His name was in the title. 😀

  9. The part where Spock consults his older self to find out what he did in Wrath of Khan reminded me of Spaceballs when they put in a copy of Spaceballs to find where Lone Star is.

    • lmao

  10. I must say that I am unashamedly amazed by this sequel. I has the (mis?)fortune of seeing the 2009 movie six weeks before general release on a very small screen. Waiting for its release on a real, giant screen was painstaking, but worth it. Seeing this movie in 3D IMAX was just breathtaking. The lens flares, while present, were not blinding. I thought that Leonard Nimoy’s cameo was just perfect in length. For those who don’t understand this, it establishes that Khan is a villain from the “original” timeline to non-Trekkies. I know this because all of my non-Trekkie friends told me this after the movie – which they all loved.

    Carol Marcus’ name in the credits before launch made me suspect that this might be Khan, but him being of British descent was definitely different, and I agree with those who say, “but he was frozen before the timeline split!” I thought that the VFX for warp were amazing, too. I decided to call it “warp dust” for lack of a better term, and its use as a scene shift was superb. Now I miss it from the original 2009 film.

    I was glad that they beat up the Enterprise, but did not feel the need to destroy it. I felt that it was incredibly cool to see the warp core, although my extremely-limited understanding of the warp drive had led me to believe that Kirk should have been incinerated when the streams began colliding again. *Shrug* It’s sci-fi, so I don’t really know anything.

    The only time I rolled my eyes was when Spock said “Khannnn!” It was just trite, in my view, and doesn’t come close to the original Shatner version. It was a good attempt, as far as they go, but completely unnecessary. I thought that Kirk’s “No” in TWOK said in disbelief that Spock had actually died was more sad and would have lent itself better to this movie.

    I loved the explanation of the lack of Chapel in Sickbay (although I got tired of Kirk calling it “med bay”) but I was unequivocally shocked at the awe of Enterprise rising out of the water. That, unlike any scene before, shows just how big she is and that is something that was largely unappreciated by most people.

    This movie will never replace TWOK, but I do not believe it was meant to do so. I think that it tells a great story, and it does so in a way that new audiences can connect to it. It is unrealistic to expect most people to have seen an episode of Star Trek from almost 50 years ago, or a movie from thirty years ago. Similarly, it is unrealistic to expect anyone to deliver Khan as Montalban did, so while his ethnic change is a bit awkward to explain canonically, the new character is a superb actor and has a cold, calculating rage to him that makes him a great Spock adversary, whereas Montalban’s Khan was Kirk’s.

    Finally, it is important to note that Pike did not die in the original series. He was secreted to Talos IV by Spock, there to live out the rest of his life in his memories with the help of the Talosians. His death was surprising and it saddened me. Unlike in the original timeline, Pike was never a major influence on Kirk (whereas he was on Spock) whereas in this timeline, he was a father-figure to Kirk. His death was (in my opinion) the equivalent of Sarek’s death for Spock. The rage that Chris Pine was able to emote in the movie was well played. As far as sequels go, this is definitely an A+ in my book. I can’t wait to own it, and I’ll be seeing it several more times before it leaves the theater.


    • I absolutely agree with everything you said. I continue to love how the new timeline works (such as Pike becoming the father figure for Kirk after the death of Kirk’s real father, making Pike’s death so emotional). Kid of reminded me of when Spock’s mom died, really didn’t see that coming. That was the moment I really thought “yep, new timeline. They really can do whatever they want).

    • Great review, I agree that the “Khaaaan!” part was forced, but a small price to pay for such a great movie and reboot overall.

    • I completely agree, and think the ‘new’ timeline works better on a characther developing and emotional level. Spock being the one who deals with loss and finally gives into his emotionally compromised human side and opens up a can of much needed woop ass on his new found enemy. It was worth waiting nearly 2 full movies to see Spock fight Kahn. What awesomeness that was!! And the klingongs were great. It sets up the next installment to be an all out war with them and what a terrifying species they are..5 stars. Very surprised that I may have enjoyed this one more than the first..

    • I thought in both movies they beat up on Pike like he was O.J. in the Naked Gun movies. That poor man. Such injustice.

  11. I felt the film was very good as a sci-fi film but lacked a bit as a Trek film. For one, Spock would not have cried this early on in his development; even in the episode Amok Time, he didn’t cry when he thought he had killed Kirk himself. Also, I felt it was out of character for Spock to go all nuclear on Khan. And when he yelled Khan’s name, I just cringed (in a bad way).

    I agree with the posters who stated that Khan should not have been a Caucasian. In Space Seed, they even tried to make Montalban darker, more Indian-like.

    Anyone (Trek fans) believe that Spock-Prime told Spock-junior that they defeated Khan because his thinking was 2 dimensional? 😀

    I saw Kirk being revived by Khan’s blood a parsec away.

    A solid sci-fi film, but they (director, producers, writers) need to watched TOS so that mistakes like the ones I stated and the ones that happened in 2009 don’t happen again.

    • I don’t think they made any mistakes or continuity errors in the first film or this one. I think they have done a great job making the alternate timeline work.

    • Khaless! Good to see you again.

      I would have to disagree with respect to Spock crying…the last film set him up for emotional instability. Spock became less emotional over time as Nimoy established the character, but Quinto has Nimoy to lean on (literally and proverbially) for character development.

      I loved Scotty’s protestations to Kirk; that is a dynamic we didn’t see in the original timeline.

      I suspected that Kirk would have to be revived because of the contract for three films, not because of Khan’s blood. Or, more specifically, unless the next movie was Star Trek to Find Kirk, you have a huge problem with his death.

      I love the attention that Uhura is getting, too. I really wish that they’d leave her the conn once. I’d also like Kirk’s mom to make an appearance, but I don’t see that happening in J.J.’s movies as he likes fast-paced versus character development.

      What did you think of Uhura speaking Klingon?

      • On that note I have a question.

        Saw Trek yesterday (love it, needed more Cumberbatch) in the credits it’s got both Chris Hemsworth and Jennifer Morrision (George and Winona Kirk repsecively).

        Now unless it’s a deleted scene or a blink and you’ll miss it I don’t recall seeing them, not even in a picture or something.

        Any clue anyone ??

        • in the scene where kirk is waking up and you hear/remember a bunch of voices, some where of kirks parents from the first movie. Thats why they are credited.

        • I miss your internal dialogs, Kahless. :)

          I saw that plot device as well, but it was an entirely new twist of the abilities of the augments. Khan never displayed regenerative powers, nor did he have such an ability when Enterprise pounded Reliant and he was…less than pretty.

          • And where did they get the augments not needing oxygen? That kind of threw me for a loop.

            • They were in their cryogenic pods, so if Kahn destroyed life support, they would not die.

              • This is something new, however. Space Seed set up the crew of the Botany Bay as in cryogenic freeze, but they still had to breathe. It could have been argued that this was “new” technology, except it was explicitly stated that it was “old” technology, as in 300-years old. Now, the cryopods look more futuristic than did the interiors of Botany Bay from the 60’s, of course, but we know nothing of the others. There’s such a thing as taking “continuity” to an extreme. If built, the Botany Bay would have looked nothing like it did in the original episode; we’re so far beyond the interior of that set it’s beyond compare. Our modern definition of cryogenic suspension is different than that established in the original episode.

    • Agree with you in that it lacked as a Trek film (and, I’m a hardcore trekkie). As a fun, action adventure, yeah, it rocks, but that’s because we’re watching JJ’s version of Trek, not Gene Roddenberry’s.

      All JJ and co. has to do is come up with an original story that highlights the alternative timeline and cast. Reworking or recycling old plots is really a tough sell for old school trekkies, since you’ll never satisfy everyone with the result.

    • I disagree, I believe Zachary Quinto did a great job delivering that line and felt it to be completely necessary to show that Spock finally boiled over and became ’emotionally compromised’ as he’d say himself. The Khan/Spock arch enemy development in my opinion is a match made in movie heaven and it’s surely not over between them. The more screen time Kahn had the more I felt he was a perfect advisary for the over acheiving Vulcan, Spock. My biggest complaint is that the movie ended and I have to wait 3-4 yrs for the next one. KHAAAAAANNN!!!!

  12. Loved it! I grew up with the original series, loved TNG, enjoyed most of the movies (with obvious exceptions) spent countless hours arguing hypotheticals and plausibilities…

    I just love the fact that Abrams “get’s it” and has “boldly gone…” into new territory, and still paying homage to its origins…

    I think what impressed me the most, was I found myself (during the film) thinking about how well the actors “got it” in terms of their characters, and portraying the nuances, while still bringing their own flare to the new timeline…there were moments, I could see Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, Doohan in each of the characters…and I loved that…

    Yes, this Star Trek is different, faster paced, more action, more cgi…but with every significant movie the bar is raised…Abrams has raised the bar in the same way Lucas, Speilberg, Nolan, Cameron, etc have raised the bar (no Avatar rebuttals please…regardless of how you feel about the movie…3D/IMAX…will NEVER be the same) Each director has brought something new to the table, and as an old fart, I love what Abrams has done and is doing…

    I don’t care if they bring Kirk’s crew back in a 3quel or a TV series…I’m just excited to see what happens next!

  13. There has been a lot of online chatter – places like I09 and the like – that lament that there was too much fan service in this flick. I would like to point out that I have never been a Star Trek fan and just saw the 2009 movie for the first time on Wednesday. Having said that, I loved Into Darkness. I know some Star Trek stuff – I know who Khan is, for example – but I’m very much a non-Trekkie and aside from a couple times when audience members gasped at stuff that meant nothing to me, like when Kronos was mentioned before they said anything about Klingons, I found the movie very accessible. Not sure if people on here feel that way (going through close to 200 comments to find it is not on my agenda), but it’s a criticism of the flick that I don’t think is warranted. Overall I thought the movie was great, I thought Cumberbatch was AWESOME as the villain and I am going to look forward to whatever comes next.

    • JJ’s goal was to bring Trek to a modern audiences, which meant making it accessible to casual fans. So the fact that you liked it is exactly the reaction the movie producers wanted to see.

      For old school trekkers like myself, it’s a hard sell, since we grew up on the original, and we tend to be very “picky” about what we see…

    • Same for me. Agree with ya. Awesome movie.

  14. I enjoyed it up to the end. Kirk dying and being resurrected because Khan’s blood is Jesus-juice was a bit much. It would have been OK if Kirk was really sick/near death with the ejection.

  15. injection. Sorry.

  16. I loved this movie much more than the first one. I saw the movie has expanded, giving each character a significant role to portray all throughout the movie. Pike’s death was very emotional for me, considering he was the only father-figure Kirk had, so was Kirk’s. I cried through that, you know.

    I’m very much excited of what will happen on the next movie (there are rumors about a third film)

  17. Thought it was great. Loved the Scottie and McCoy portrayals. I did not feel the same charisma from this Khan as I did with Ricardo Mantalban’s version. Maybe there just wasn’t time to develop that in this movie. I didn’t feel this character was as “quotable” as the previous. I mean, who could forget, “Revenge is a dish best served cold;It’s very cold in space”. I was however terrified when Kirk kept pounding on him with no effect. That really gave you a sense of just how powerful Khan was and why regular humans during the eugenics wars would have feared these supermen. Thought the reveal of Khan was great, especially since I avoided reading any spoilers before the movie. I kinda had it figured out when they found the body in the torpedo, but wasn’t 100% sure. Did not like when Spock yelled out Khan! The emotion at that moment was appropriate enough with out that. I thought they could have expanded on the history of Khan and the eugenics wars just a little bit for people not familiar with the character. Over all, I love what they’re doing with Star Trek and I will buy the DVD when it comes out.

  18. Maybe Section 31 made Khan get a haircut and skin bleaching treatments to go with his new identity.

    If you thawed out Hitler, He’s probably grow his hair out and darken his skin to hide.

    • That brings up a gaping plot hole in the movie. You think if Khan and his people had attempted mass genocide in the 1990’s that his mug would be plastered all over History books for hundreds of years. I mean, we had cameras back then for crying out loud. We have all sorts of footage of Hitler. How come no one recognizes him?

      • Not exactly true; I would bet that almost no people today could pick Stalin out of a standard line-up. Stalin killed more people than Hitler did. And in the OS episode, Scotty recognized him, as did McCoy, but not until he was named and shown in context.

        • I’m not saying everybody should have recognized him but somebody probably should have. Especially when he started blowing buildings up. But I suppose I am bordering on nit-picking.

          • Why would people expect to see a 300 year old dude alive and walking around? They might have studied the history in grade school and seen pics but expectation and context are such that after 300 years just because someone may resemble some hustorical figure you wouldnt automatically assume its him.

            • Was it common knowledge that he was frozen and the chances of him being reanimated was a possibility? But you are right, I am grasping at straws. I concede and agree.

  19. I don’t have time to read 3 pages of comments, but was the look of the Klingons already discussed? I didn’t expect them to have the ridges on their foreheads already because they didn’t in TOS, and the genetic engineering that lead to them would have happened later. So why the ridges in this one?

    • Genetic engineering? I thought they lost their ridges because they tried to use augment DNA and created a lethal virus. Dr. Phlox cured them but it took human DNA to do it, thus why they didn’t have the ridges anymore. This cure was only suppose to last about 80 years.

      • Right, that genetic engineering using human augment DNA was what lead to them losing their rights. I had it backwards (thinking it gave them the ridges).

        After reading up on it a bit more, it seems that the ones who got the antivirus and lost their ridges were the ones who showed up in TOS. There were still unaltered Klingons who still had their ridges around, and I guess those were the ones who showed up in the film.

        • I vaguely remember reading in one of the novels (Klingon Gambit maybe?) that the unaltered Klingons were Imperial Klingons.

  20. An awesome movie. I simply wish John Harrison would have been John Harrison. The whole Kahn retred job was unnecessary, and the way they tried to pull it off came off as a silly attempt to be clever. Technically, of course, Kahn was frozen 300 years BEFORE the time line was altered, and thus, the Kahn of Into Darkness MUST be the same Kahn unfrozen in TOS and the first Kahn movie. If you insist on having Kahn, at least hire an actor who can pass for him. As fantastic a bad guy as Cumberbach gave us, there is no basis, even on an altered time line, for Kahn to emerge as a guy with a British accent. There are simply some things you have to get right. I would have also left out Carol Marcus. If you can get past this stuff about Kahn you will give this movie 5 stars.

    • This also bugged the hell out of me.

      I also think Cumberbach was great but YES, he needed to be of Asian origin in some way. Khan should have been played by an Indian actor. Heaven knows there are enough talented Indian actors out there so why the silly deception? Just so we all wouldn’t guess they were using the Khan storyline? Made no sense.

  21. What exactly did old Spock tell young Spock about the defeat of Kahn that young Spock found useful? I’m not getting this. Young Spock armed a proton torpedo as his next move. In TWOK, Kahn was defeated by Kirk in a ship against ship battle because Kirk was more experienced.

    • In WOK, Spock told Kirk that Khan used 2 dimensional thinking; I assume Spock-Prime told Spock-Jr the same thing.

    • Plus he probably told Quinto Spock that Khan had a superiority complex and would not think anyone could outsmart him. Thus the torpedos being transported over and Khan thinking the augments were still inside them.

  22. I know JJ had a tall order to try to straddle two fan bases, that and the extreme difficulty in creating suspense in a movie based on a TV series with continuing characters that you would be pilloried for killing.

    When Scotty warned Kirk that the converter chamber was lethally radioactive it thought “Are they really going to go there?” then Kirk clocked Scotty “Yep, they’re going to go there, alright”(groan) Kirk’s death carried about as much weight as Wesley’s death in The Princess Bride, and was resolved in the same “mostly dead” fashion.

    OTOH, we could have used a little more Princess Bride during the torpedo beam over sequence. As Jaydub said, Khan was way too trusting and a dual of wits with Spock getting the better of Khan would have had much more payoff, and made Khan more believably wrathful.

    JJ did succeed in drawing me in with Dr Marcus from “WTF is she doing in a Starfleet uniform? Carol Marcus HATED Starfleet.” to “So THAT’s why she hates Starfleet, daddy issues.” He also made the Vengeance look just enough like the Enterprise to fake us out into thinking he had wrecked the damn ship again in the trailers.

    Good to see that Starfleet is still trying to deal with the loss of Vulcan, up to the point of trying to cut a deal with Khan, I never thought that 23rd century starship design was in Khan’s skill set, but then neither was universal blood type resurrection.

    The Vengeance reminded me of how long it took for this film to be produced, apparently long enough for the NuEnterprise to become obsolete, but then doesn’t Scotty’s new “wonder transporter” make ALL starships obsolete? Also, we are on the verge of cloning human blood in this day and age, once they start cloning augment blood, McCoy had better start updating his resume.

    Good to see the old crew back together, shout-out @ Big D, Kahless, Fury, Doc and Katherine.:-)

    • BE! How’s the story coming along?

      I feel similarly as you do, although I thought that Admiral Marcus was a warmonger since he wanted war with the Klingons, not the Romulans. That being said, I absolutely fell for the plot of Enterprise slamming into the water even after seeing Vengeance in stills prior to the movie’s release. I’d add that Vengeance may be a homage to the original title of TWOK (it was supposed to be The Vengeance of Khan) so maybe there’s yet another tie-in.

      I’m of mixed feelings regarding adding Khan; it could have been an excellent movie plot, but it felt forced to me. I was thrilled with the Kirk/warp core scene not because it was pulled right from TWOK, but because I thought that the chamber set itself was epically cool. Spock, of course, would have just pushed the streams into alignment. :)

      Regarding Khan’s ethnicity, only people who watched the ~50 year-old episode or the 31-year-old movie know he was Indian, and he looked much less so in the movie, IMHO.

      I rate this movie very high in the ST movie franchise, because it has a high rewatch value. Yes, a lot of that is due to the amazing SFX, but the only person I felt got really shorted in this movie was McCoy – his lines seemed to have been cut in favor of Uhura. I like that Uhura has more lines, and loved the bit about Chapel going off to be a nurse (even though she was a nurse in the last movie, off-screen) but I liked the movie enough to make me feel like it was a good sequel.

      Final question: did anyone else notice that they redid the impulse engines for the final scene? CGI makes it a lot easier to update a “model” I suppose.

    • Good to see you and Doc back. Did any of you think that Spock-Prime told Spock-Jr that Khan used 2-dimensional thinking? In WoK, that’s how they finally defeated Khan.

  23. Loved the movie, but did anyone think the face revealed in the cryotube when Marcus and McCoy opened it looked like Brent Spiner? Could this be Abrams way of introducing Soong?

    • Soong wasn’t an augment. If he were, he would not have contracted the desease in TNG.

  24. One thing that really bothers me with this movie that no one mentions is this: They should have at least recognized the name of Khan, and known about the augments. The Eugenics Wars took place WAAAY before the alternate timeline was put into place. The alternate timeline has changed the future, not the past. Why did they know what the augemnts or who Khan was? (True, they would not recognize his face, but they should know his name). Khan took over almost a 1/3 of the world during the Eugenics Wars. This was just a huge plot hole to me that I just could not ignore.

    • Actually, in Space Seed, he used the name Khan and Kirk and crew still did not know who he was. It was only until Spock did some research that they found out he was Khan Noonian Singh. They did know of the Eugenics Wars, and Spock did find out that some of those “super-men” escaped, but it was only later that they put 2 and 2 together.

      And remember Khan did say, “You got this from your computers, right?”.

  25. “Records from that time period were very fragmented”

    Dr Noonian Soong, who created Data in his likeness, was as pale faced as they come. Enterprise also established a link between the Soong family lineage and the eugenics augments, this made it easier for this Trek Fan to buy CumberKhan.

    It actually makes more sense that an Indian Sikh would have a British accent than a Mexican one, also nothing projects a “superior” attitude quite like the Queen’s English. Much as with PineKirk, they made the right decision to go in a new direction rather than imitate the original.

    Agree with Doc that engineering looked a lot better. They still had the fermentation vess– I mean “power pods” for continuity, but lost the hand valves and cement floors and added a proper warp core. Still too much wasted space and insufficient compartmentalization for this Navy man, but you can’t expect better from a landlubber.

    As for my story, things look good. Spock Prime is still alive, the Enterprise hasn’t been re-designed and the Spohura romance is still happening (They get a harsh lesson about why fraternization is frowned upon in the service later on.)

    The only problematic thing is my Admiral Ridgeway character (Was he the inspiration for Admiral Marcus? we’ll never know.) The “Bad Admiral” trope is now officially overused, but maybe I can still make it work, as Ridgeway is a bastard right out of the gate, but may yet come down on the side of the angels.

    Along with “never trust an Admiral” another Trek trope is that “only ship in the quadrant” thing. When you’re free-falling out of orbit with the warp drive offline do you

    A: Irradiate yourself in the converter chamber with no assurance that you can even fix the problem or..

    B: Put out a distress call to the thousands of warp vessels in orbit around Earth that could easily tractor beam you to safety?

    I guess that’s just another Starfleet directive. The Enterprise must answer each and every distress call, but is never allowed to MAKE a distress call.
    Guess that’s why I’m not a Starship Captain. Maybe in my next life.

  26. Long time original series and movies fan – loved the movie!

    I liked Spock’s KAAAHHHNNNN and here’s why. In TWOK, Kirk cry of this is fake. He says this when only he knows they aren’t really trapped inside the Genesis planet (but the audience does not). In this movie, Spock’s is real – Kirk is dead.

    On every repeated viewing of TWOK, I’ve always cringed when Kirk cries out Kahn.

  27. I havent’ had time to read all these posts, but 2 homage/easter eggs I noticed in “Into Darkness” was that when Chekov was sent to engineering to replace Scottie, the Bald woman helmsman! That was a nod to the original Star Trek movie with “Vger”. The Ilia character was shave-headed too. The other quick glimpse nod was when Harrison/Khan was following the Harewood character to Section 31–he paused at the door to the Kelvin Institute–a reference to the reboot movie where Kirk’s father served on the USS Kelvin. I bet others have posted these two–but I’ll try to read through them soon. Is ST3 due in 2015? I can’t wait!!