‘Star Trek Into Darkness’ Spoilers Discussion

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Our readers will soon get to talk about this movie in the comment section of our forthcoming Star Trek into Darkness review, but this is the place where you can discuss Star Trek Into Darkness spoilers without concerns about ruining the movie for people who haven’t seen it yet.

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Star Trek Into Darkness runs 132 minutes and is Rated PG-13 for intense sequences of sci-fi action and violence. Now playing 2D, 3D, and 3D IMAX theaters.

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  1. I saw the film and thought it was excellent and I am a Trekkie. But I’d like to point out a few things that are irking me from fans who clearly biased when it comes to people who are of Indian descent, such as myself. Not all people from Indian or the Middle East are dark skinned. Many, in fact, are fairer than most Europeans so having a pale British man portray a person with an Indian last name is believable. I mean, Ben Kingsley, amazing actor, is Indian and most people don’t realize that because his skin color is not dark. And since the world of Star Trek takes place in our future, doesn’t anyone think that Khan could have some Indian in him but not be 100%? I mean, Sulu is still Asian, Takei and Cho are 2 different kinds of Asian. As for the whole alternate universe stance,couldn’t it be possible that there were repercussions that rippled and altered some aspects from the past as well? Time, after all, is not a straight line but fluid (especially in any Sci-Fi film).
    Another aspect that bothers me is so many people dislike Spock from showing emotions. It’s pretty clear that when he saw his world destroyed and saw his mother die in front of him, his emotional state has been compromised. Plus, having a relationship with Spock Prime would instill in him some changes and possibly acceptance of his human half, which is something Spock in the original timeline always had an issue with and was never “comfortable” with until about TNG-Era. And since this is an alternate universe, Spock doesn’t not have to “die” as he did previously as Spock Prime because it doesn’t fit into this alternate reality anymore. It truly doesn’t and maybe people who are true fans, besides myself, will realize that this isn’t a “rewrite” of the original and it’s not meant to be. They are meant to be a “what if” scenario played out. Pike becomes more important to Kirk instead of Spock. McCoy isolates Khan’s blood to save Kirk (which may have failed as there was no guarantee it would work-we only know it would because of a 3 film contract), and Spock evolves more quickly into a more “human” version of himself. Plus, there is no reference in the film (only in the original canon and then thinly veiled at that) that Khan’s crew would have the same attributes in terms of blood as Khan did. And I’m thinking McCoy, having already worked with Khan’s blood wouldn’t not want to experiment on Khan’s crew when Kirk’s life was in jeopardy. It’s just plain common sense.
    As for the “bad admiral” usage, he wasn’t bad only flawed. He thought that by becoming a strong militaristic Star Fleet, he would be able to save more lives and planets from the Klingons. Using a madman to do these things not the smartest decision, but he isn’t a bad person per se, only made a terrible decision. He had power and it corrupted him. Or maybe the fear of losing those he is sworn to protect as a Star Fleet Officer twisted this need for power in a way that he can justify it. In addition, the whole not asking for help is sort of hard to do when the head of Star Fleet is jamming your ship and those at Headquarters may question as to why a ship’s captain is asking for help from an Admiral. Plus, the Admiral may have stated to headquarters to ignore any communication from the Enterprise. I mean, he was smart enough to build a ship on the down low and damage the Enterprise internally before they left, wouldn’t it make sense he’d do some damage control as well?
    FYI, Richardo Moltalban was in no shape or form even remotely Indian and was Latin Hispanic in reality, so that blows anyone’s theory that Khan has to be darker skinned. And if they did cast an Indian Actor as a villain, how many people would now be upset that the villain is nothing more than a futuristic Bin Laden (and people are already discussing that point as well). In this post 9/11 world, showing an Indian or Middle Eastern in a negative light creates HUGE problems and not casting them for a negative part does the same. I think people should focus on the fact that Cumberbatch, in terms of a suave, attractive, intelligent Khan, nailed it and would have made Moltanban proud.

    • I agree. This Kahn was a surprise to me. I eventually figured it was Kahn. I really thought Cumberbatch carried out the passion and the ends justify the means as the revised Kahn.

  2. I’ve read through all the comments and noted some of the more subtle homages paid to Trek canon. I think I noticed William Shatner’s voice when waking up (mentioned earlier by someone). Also, in a couple of bridge sequences, either Kirk or Spock issue a command to an alien crew member and the responses in both cases sounded exactly like Worf (Michael Dorn). Anyone else catch this?

    As far as creating a different story for Khan, I liked how this was done and the other more obvious twists on the original Wrath of Khan. I really liked the movie and consider myself a serious Trek fan. Need to see it a few more times to see what I may have missed.

  3. Here are a few of the obvious issues:

    Cold Fusion makes things hotter not colder (infuses energy into the system but I want to keep it simple). It would have acted like the ring in the glass of water. Hardly helpful to the locals.

    A Volcanic explosion capable of destroying a planet would have begun from the core of the planet so a simple bandaid fix would have resulted in a side blow-out of the volcano, and bye-bye planet. At least the prime directive would not have been effected.

    A true Captain never says he is not capable of being in charge ‘right now’, so you can be Captain for awhile. They also tend to not smile and laugh so much when half their crew just fell into space, or their ship just got owned by one of their own threatening to kill them.

    Shields are supposed to absorb *some* damage, yet no one has explained this yet to Orci, Kurtzman, Lindelof. It is the whole reason for having the bloody things. If everything can punch immediately through them, then they are a waste of energy. Nero’s weapons were plausible since they were from the future, but the Dreadnaught was just using Phasers. Nothing special there.

    Phasers do not work at warp speed, as their beam can only travel at the speed of light. The space between the ships had no warp field (as merging two of them would have been very messy), so those shots would never have hit the Enterprise.

    Warp nacelles (like the one the Admiral blew into shards with the first attack), do not suddenly start working again without a long stay in drydock. They are both functional when the thrusters are engaged.

    The Dreadnaught hitting the city would have caused a massive explosion and fires. Based on 9/11 stats, the death toll from that would have been 50K conservatively, with the number of buildings that were totaled. Yet one year later everyone is grinning like they are on LSD.

    Check out the part that Kirk kicks to re-align the warp core. It is angled, and kicking it would never have pushed it back into a vertical position. He should have been on his back kicking straight across it.

    Having him confess that he is afraid just kneecapped his status. The new Kirk is self-destructive and far weaker than the original. That is fine unless they revert and try to turn him into the iconic Kirk from the original. Personally they should thrown cannon out and never touch it again, since they tend to screw it up. It is a brand new timeline, in a side-universe, so live it up. Well, that is if they can find some competent writers that do not need to vamp so much material, and call it their own.

    Bones just happens to have a dead tribble laying around, and decides to spontaneously inject Khan’s blood into it? First, that is one hell of a cross-species blood type. Second, dead = no circulation (which is why *real* zombies do not bleed – just leak). Third, if he has test animals, he would have tried it on a living one first. They could have just said it was dying from old age or something (tribble-itis), but with three writers they decided to make Tribble Zombies.

    Khan’s blood was injected (in a diffused state) into the little girl and it immediately healed her (kinda like the nanites from Revolution). Bones did not have to make any ‘serum’ and they would have turned Khan (and the other 72) into a blood factories. Then they could have learned to synthesize it. So yay, everyone can now have Wolverine healing factors (like Rev. again), be super-strong, tough, and ready for the coming war. I actually mean that. Studying their blood would be priority #1 for Star Fleet (especially McCoy).

    The original movie had pacing, suspense, ship tactics (not just ‘I’ll board the ship and stop him somehow’ just like I did last movie), diplomacy, some action, and character growth. This one had action, action, action, a decent amount of comedy (quips back and forth with no real character growth) and lens flares that made the sun jealous.

    Compared to the original Wrath of Khan, this was inferior in everything except CG (no big surprise there), and comedy (though a little was inappropriate). Compared to the regular crap we get (Ironman 3, etc.) this gets a bump to a 7/10, which is 2.5 short of the original.

    I was surprised that Mr. Lens Flare was not listed in the credits considering how much screen time he gets. I mean, when he gets to stand in front of so many major character’s faces during a 5 second dramatic scene, you would think a little credit would be given to the guy. But nope.

    • Damn, no edit feature.

      That should have been
      “iconic Kirk from the original series”
      “Personally, I think they should throw cannon out”
      “Bones did not have to make any ‘serum’ to bring Kirk back from the dead”

      Sorry about those, I was called away and hit submit before I re-read it.

      So, I might as well add a few more tribbles to the body count

      Khan might heal quickly, but if Bones can take a blood sample that easily, then the blows from Kirk and Spock should have injured Khan. He just would have healed quickly. At the end Spock is strong enough to break Khan’s arm, but once he has him down and is pounding away on his face, Khan does not even get a split lip. Sure he has a tiny bruise on his Right cheekbone, but seriously after that pounding, from someone that is far stronger than a human?

      Khan’s people were in place of the explosives, so what did Spock detonate? They needed Marcus and Bones to re-activate one of them, but without their payload they could only detonate their fuel which would not have caused that kind of damage to the Dreadnaught.

      The scene with Spock and Uhura in Mudd’s shuttle above Kronos should have resulted in both of them being court-marshaled. Jarringly inappropriate, and never commented on. BTW, notice how Mudd’s shuttle took quite a few hits (2 or 3) and was fine. They should make one of those Enterprise sized since it can be blown to hell with only a few hits.

      Khan’s big cannon on Kronos will alternatively take out a flyer or a single Klingon without vaporizing them. Too bad no one though to grab one and give them to Starfleet Security (at H.Q. for example).

      That is all I can remember off the top of my head without seeing it a second time, and I doubt that will happen in the next year. It is not a bad movie relative to the rest of the stuff we are getting lately, but compared to the 2009 re-imagining (reboot is a terrible term for this, since you computer is not changed after you perform one), it falls short.

      Hopefully JJ & Bad Robot will be too busy with the magicians waving around magic swords and casting spells, which is called Star Wars. With that they can just make it up as they go along. Star Trek takes a lot more than just techo-babble thrown at the screen with some *swoosh* action, *vrum-vrum* more action, followed by an obligatory 15 second of comedy to make light of all the death around you.

    • An interesting review, but there are a few potential inaccuracies:

      “Cold Fusion makes things hotter not colder…”

      It is true – energy can neither be destroyed nor created, only transformed. However, this is science fiction and the device may create an endothermic reaction and use the energy to seal the volcano. Furthermore, Spock saying “…and the planet dies” is highly preferable to technobabble, so I’ll give them a pass on this one. It is Sci-Fi after all; they very well may redefine what “cold fusion” means when they have intermix and warp drive.

      “A [v]olcanic explosion capable of destroying a planet would have begun from the core of the planet…the [P]rime [D]irective would not have been [a]ffected.”

      Not necessarily. Spock made attempts throughout the movie to use human expressions, and it is quite logical to assume that he meant the surface of a planet. Since a planet itself is not living, it cannot die. The Prime Directive really never applied here, however. Saving a planet’s population from extinction happened all the time in the original series, so as long as it doesn’t noticeably interfere with the native’s development, it is not an issue. However, placing Enterprise on the bottom of the ocean, while extremely cool to see, doesn’t exactly make sense to me. It’s almost as if it was placed there so that it could rise up (cool to watch) and be seen by the natives (thus violating the Prime Directive) and interfering with the natural development.

      “A true Captain never says he is not capable of being in charge ‘right now’…”

      See Starfleet Regulation 619 – as depicted in the last movie. A true captain, in my opinion, knows when he or she is incapable of carrying out the duties of command and removes him/herself from the situation.

      “Shields are supposed to absorb *some* damage…Nero’s weapons were plausible..but the dreadnaught was just using phasers.”

      Yes: I had this problem with both movies. However, the Vengeance had a lot more power available for its weapons, and Enterprise had compromised power systems due to the warp core failure.

      “Phasers do not work at warp speed, as their beam can only travel at the speed of light…”

      It appears that warp drive works a little bit differently in this “reality.” It appears that this warp system operates much like the one viewed in the original motion picture, where a “tunnel” is created between the origin and destination. It is clear that Vengeance and Enterprise occupied the same “tunnel” in the scene, so phasers would be a viable option. (It was an interesting effect shot as Enterprise “fell out” of warp by leaving the “tunnel” I might add)

      “Warp nacelles…do not suddenly start working again without a long stay in drydock…”

      In principle, I agree. However, the warp core borderline before warping away, and definitely offline after the attack. Just because the nacelles had power does not mean that the ship was capable of attaining warp speed. Power running through them indicates it wasn’t blowing up the ship.

      “The dreadnaught hitting the city would have caused a massive explosion and fires….one year later everyone is grinning like they are on LSD.”

      With replicators, it can be assumed that things can be built more quickly, especially with a “United Earth” and the Federation lending support. Furthermore, the dreadnaught should have attained and spent massive kinetic energy in its free fall to Earth. Since it still had some attitude control and was (sort of) capable of aiming at Starfleet HQ, I’m guessing the ship slowed itself to attain the best course possible. However, in the absence of that, there should have been a large release of energy when the ship hit the water, vaporizing a lot of the water and the ship and then causing the tidal wave. It’s a movie, though, and it’s also safe to assume that San Francisco has *some* type of defenses against tidal waves. The buildings were presumably engineered to withstand earthquakes, unless they’ve solved that problem, too, so that should mitigate some of the damage. We really have no idea how 23rd century construction works in catastrophes.

      “Check out the part that Kirk kicks to re-align the warp core…”

      That’s one explanation. I just assumed that something caused the mechanism to get “stuck” and he “unstuck” it with his kicks enabling realignment. Why he wasn’t vaporized when the streams connected is more baffling to me.

      Your thoughts regarding Kirk are your own, and thus cannot be judged. However, this is a *younger* Kirk than we ever saw, who has (as of the end of this movie) just begun the five-year mission. Kirk was already into the mission when the original series began airing. I do agree that they shouldn’t attempt to imitate Shatner. But the character should still have some of the same characteristics or it cannot be called “Star Trek” in good faith.

      “Bones just happens to have a dead tribble laying around[?]”

      Assuming PETA hadn’t invaded the Enterprise, tribbles are quite logical for use in testing given a little bit of food gives you a lot of tribbles. Also, we really know nothing of how tribble anatomy is laid out. Not all creatures have hearts for circulation, and tribbles are not necessarily animals.

      “Khan’s blood was injected (in a diffused state) into the little girl and it immediately healed her…Studying their blood would be priority #1 for Star Fleet (especially McCoy).”

      McCoy knows nothing about the little girl being infused. A serum isolates the necessary compounds without causing other corruption (such as Khan’s antibodies going all ninja on Kirk’s healthy cells) and it was pretty evident that it was packed red cells that were used on the little girl. Furthermore, Earth banned the type of augmentation that Khan was via genetic engineering. If anything, McCoy wanted Khan’s blood before he was frozen again and thus prohibited from using it to revive Kirk.

      “This one had…lens flares that made the sun jealous.”

      Actually, this movie had significantly less flares than the last movie.

      Your rating system is again your own, and not subject to constructive criticism or analysis.

      “I was surprised that Mr. Lens Flare was not listed in the credits…”
      I have no idea to what you are referring.

      As I have said elsewhere, this is a good Star Trek movie. It is not the best, and it is far from the worst. Any movie can be dissected and flaws found if one hunts for them. From the very obvious (there is no sound in space) to the speculative (will warp drive leave glittery dust behind as residue?) I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but aside from having a villain named Khan, I do not compare it to Star Trek II. That film had an established villain with an established past and relationship to Enterprise. That movie was about vengeance, whereas this one was about maturing the characters. Again: far from perfect, but perfect from afar.

      Cheers,

      ~Doc

    • While I agree and disagree with some of your points… I find it funny that you’re trying to explain how technology that DOES NOT EXIST should work.

      What principles are you using to determine whether or not phasers can work while ships are in warp?

      • That was meant for Chris.

      • I’d just add that as I was thinking about this, I remembered Kirk in ST TMP: whip in a wormhole…”Mr. Chekov, stand by on phasers.”

        You are correct, BN, is saying we don’t know how phasers work. I do know there are many instances where they were used at warp in TOS. I think he’s trying to say that light beams can’t move faster than light, which is what the ships are doing, in theory. In actuality, we have no idea how any of it works because even if it existed, we wouldn’t have to follow those rules in fiction. Gravity exists, but antigravity does not. We also have no idea how Enterprise maintains gravity without spinning, since that’s the only way we know how to create a similar effect.

        This is why I sit back and enjoy the movie.

        Cheers,

        ~doc

  4. As a long time Trekker (Trekkie) I have to say this had a lot of nods to the past so much so that the story seemed like filler until the next tribute to the past. The scene with Marcus undressing makes no sense whatsoever? we already get it we know who she is and we know they are going to get together eventually. The film is so full of this type of thing it is on the verge of insulting to the intelligence of fans. So ok lets give it a break and say its Star Trek and we are all fans can we let these things go? even the fact that they almost completely re-shot the radiation Scene word for word from Wrath of Khan? What do you call that? good story telling or Re-telling? I did like the movie even with the over done references and blatantly putting the lens flares across actors faces (I expected that as a joke to all our complaints). But with all the retro references (even a tribble) how could they screw up the most important homage at the end? And not have written Spock surprised to see Jim alive ….Smile and say “Jim ! ….. Jim!…I am..(pause) pleased to see you” and Bones pester him about showing his emotions saying he was on the verge of an emotional burst that would have brought the house down, as we all know Spock denies it and Bones says “In a pigs eye”. Classic “Amok Time” and they had the scenes leading right up to it and didn’t write it in? How sad is that? It would only have meant bones still had enough blood left to treat Kirk then Spock would not have known he was alive again, what a blown opportunity to a great ending. I was waiting for it and ….. it was not to be.

  5. they made the character of captain Kirk look more like Berlusconi. Obsessed with girls. The original Kirk was too , but not like this one. And that’s the only thing that I didn’t like in this movie: all the rest was spectacular. Really impressive with simplicity and action at the same time. Well done (but please somebody should call the writers and let’em know that this is 2013 … girls in the movies don’t have to all fall for the main (male) character.