‘Star Trek Into Darkness’ Spoilers Discussion

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Our readers will soon get to talk about this movie in the comment section of our forthcoming Star Trek into Darkness review, but this is the place where you can discuss Star Trek Into Darkness spoilers without concerns about ruining the movie for people who haven’t seen it yet.

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Star Trek Into Darkness runs 132 minutes and is Rated PG-13 for intense sequences of sci-fi action and violence. Now playing 2D, 3D, and 3D IMAX theaters.

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  1. I saw the film and thought it was excellent and I am a Trekkie. But I’d like to point out a few things that are irking me from fans who clearly biased when it comes to people who are of Indian descent, such as myself. Not all people from Indian or the Middle East are dark skinned. Many, in fact, are fairer than most Europeans so having a pale British man portray a person with an Indian last name is believable. I mean, Ben Kingsley, amazing actor, is Indian and most people don’t realize that because his skin color is not dark. And since the world of Star Trek takes place in our future, doesn’t anyone think that Khan could have some Indian in him but not be 100%? I mean, Sulu is still Asian, Takei and Cho are 2 different kinds of Asian. As for the whole alternate universe stance,couldn’t it be possible that there were repercussions that rippled and altered some aspects from the past as well? Time, after all, is not a straight line but fluid (especially in any Sci-Fi film).
    Another aspect that bothers me is so many people dislike Spock from showing emotions. It’s pretty clear that when he saw his world destroyed and saw his mother die in front of him, his emotional state has been compromised. Plus, having a relationship with Spock Prime would instill in him some changes and possibly acceptance of his human half, which is something Spock in the original timeline always had an issue with and was never “comfortable” with until about TNG-Era. And since this is an alternate universe, Spock doesn’t not have to “die” as he did previously as Spock Prime because it doesn’t fit into this alternate reality anymore. It truly doesn’t and maybe people who are true fans, besides myself, will realize that this isn’t a “rewrite” of the original and it’s not meant to be. They are meant to be a “what if” scenario played out. Pike becomes more important to Kirk instead of Spock. McCoy isolates Khan’s blood to save Kirk (which may have failed as there was no guarantee it would work-we only know it would because of a 3 film contract), and Spock evolves more quickly into a more “human” version of himself. Plus, there is no reference in the film (only in the original canon and then thinly veiled at that) that Khan’s crew would have the same attributes in terms of blood as Khan did. And I’m thinking McCoy, having already worked with Khan’s blood wouldn’t not want to experiment on Khan’s crew when Kirk’s life was in jeopardy. It’s just plain common sense.
    As for the “bad admiral” usage, he wasn’t bad only flawed. He thought that by becoming a strong militaristic Star Fleet, he would be able to save more lives and planets from the Klingons. Using a madman to do these things not the smartest decision, but he isn’t a bad person per se, only made a terrible decision. He had power and it corrupted him. Or maybe the fear of losing those he is sworn to protect as a Star Fleet Officer twisted this need for power in a way that he can justify it. In addition, the whole not asking for help is sort of hard to do when the head of Star Fleet is jamming your ship and those at Headquarters may question as to why a ship’s captain is asking for help from an Admiral. Plus, the Admiral may have stated to headquarters to ignore any communication from the Enterprise. I mean, he was smart enough to build a ship on the down low and damage the Enterprise internally before they left, wouldn’t it make sense he’d do some damage control as well?
    FYI, Richardo Moltalban was in no shape or form even remotely Indian and was Latin Hispanic in reality, so that blows anyone’s theory that Khan has to be darker skinned. And if they did cast an Indian Actor as a villain, how many people would now be upset that the villain is nothing more than a futuristic Bin Laden (and people are already discussing that point as well). In this post 9/11 world, showing an Indian or Middle Eastern in a negative light creates HUGE problems and not casting them for a negative part does the same. I think people should focus on the fact that Cumberbatch, in terms of a suave, attractive, intelligent Khan, nailed it and would have made Moltanban proud.

    • I agree. This Kahn was a surprise to me. I eventually figured it was Kahn. I really thought Cumberbatch carried out the passion and the ends justify the means as the revised Kahn.

  2. I’ve read through all the comments and noted some of the more subtle homages paid to Trek canon. I think I noticed William Shatner’s voice when waking up (mentioned earlier by someone). Also, in a couple of bridge sequences, either Kirk or Spock issue a command to an alien crew member and the responses in both cases sounded exactly like Worf (Michael Dorn). Anyone else catch this?

    As far as creating a different story for Khan, I liked how this was done and the other more obvious twists on the original Wrath of Khan. I really liked the movie and consider myself a serious Trek fan. Need to see it a few more times to see what I may have missed.

  3. Here are a few of the obvious issues:

    Cold Fusion makes things hotter not colder (infuses energy into the system but I want to keep it simple). It would have acted like the ring in the glass of water. Hardly helpful to the locals.

    A Volcanic explosion capable of destroying a planet would have begun from the core of the planet so a simple bandaid fix would have resulted in a side blow-out of the volcano, and bye-bye planet. At least the prime directive would not have been effected.

    A true Captain never says he is not capable of being in charge ‘right now’, so you can be Captain for awhile. They also tend to not smile and laugh so much when half their crew just fell into space, or their ship just got owned by one of their own threatening to kill them.

    Shields are supposed to absorb *some* damage, yet no one has explained this yet to Orci, Kurtzman, Lindelof. It is the whole reason for having the bloody things. If everything can punch immediately through them, then they are a waste of energy. Nero’s weapons were plausible since they were from the future, but the Dreadnaught was just using Phasers. Nothing special there.

    Phasers do not work at warp speed, as their beam can only travel at the speed of light. The space between the ships had no warp field (as merging two of them would have been very messy), so those shots would never have hit the Enterprise.

    Warp nacelles (like the one the Admiral blew into shards with the first attack), do not suddenly start working again without a long stay in drydock. They are both functional when the thrusters are engaged.

    The Dreadnaught hitting the city would have caused a massive explosion and fires. Based on 9/11 stats, the death toll from that would have been 50K conservatively, with the number of buildings that were totaled. Yet one year later everyone is grinning like they are on LSD.

    Check out the part that Kirk kicks to re-align the warp core. It is angled, and kicking it would never have pushed it back into a vertical position. He should have been on his back kicking straight across it.

    Having him confess that he is afraid just kneecapped his status. The new Kirk is self-destructive and far weaker than the original. That is fine unless they revert and try to turn him into the iconic Kirk from the original. Personally they should thrown cannon out and never touch it again, since they tend to screw it up. It is a brand new timeline, in a side-universe, so live it up. Well, that is if they can find some competent writers that do not need to vamp so much material, and call it their own.

    Bones just happens to have a dead tribble laying around, and decides to spontaneously inject Khan’s blood into it? First, that is one hell of a cross-species blood type. Second, dead = no circulation (which is why *real* zombies do not bleed – just leak). Third, if he has test animals, he would have tried it on a living one first. They could have just said it was dying from old age or something (tribble-itis), but with three writers they decided to make Tribble Zombies.

    Khan’s blood was injected (in a diffused state) into the little girl and it immediately healed her (kinda like the nanites from Revolution). Bones did not have to make any ‘serum’ and they would have turned Khan (and the other 72) into a blood factories. Then they could have learned to synthesize it. So yay, everyone can now have Wolverine healing factors (like Rev. again), be super-strong, tough, and ready for the coming war. I actually mean that. Studying their blood would be priority #1 for Star Fleet (especially McCoy).

    The original movie had pacing, suspense, ship tactics (not just ‘I’ll board the ship and stop him somehow’ just like I did last movie), diplomacy, some action, and character growth. This one had action, action, action, a decent amount of comedy (quips back and forth with no real character growth) and lens flares that made the sun jealous.

    Compared to the original Wrath of Khan, this was inferior in everything except CG (no big surprise there), and comedy (though a little was inappropriate). Compared to the regular crap we get (Ironman 3, etc.) this gets a bump to a 7/10, which is 2.5 short of the original.

    I was surprised that Mr. Lens Flare was not listed in the credits considering how much screen time he gets. I mean, when he gets to stand in front of so many major character’s faces during a 5 second dramatic scene, you would think a little credit would be given to the guy. But nope.

    • Damn, no edit feature.

      That should have been
      “iconic Kirk from the original series”
      “Personally, I think they should throw cannon out”
      “Bones did not have to make any ‘serum’ to bring Kirk back from the dead”

      Sorry about those, I was called away and hit submit before I re-read it.

      So, I might as well add a few more tribbles to the body count

      Khan might heal quickly, but if Bones can take a blood sample that easily, then the blows from Kirk and Spock should have injured Khan. He just would have healed quickly. At the end Spock is strong enough to break Khan’s arm, but once he has him down and is pounding away on his face, Khan does not even get a split lip. Sure he has a tiny bruise on his Right cheekbone, but seriously after that pounding, from someone that is far stronger than a human?

      Khan’s people were in place of the explosives, so what did Spock detonate? They needed Marcus and Bones to re-activate one of them, but without their payload they could only detonate their fuel which would not have caused that kind of damage to the Dreadnaught.

      The scene with Spock and Uhura in Mudd’s shuttle above Kronos should have resulted in both of them being court-marshaled. Jarringly inappropriate, and never commented on. BTW, notice how Mudd’s shuttle took quite a few hits (2 or 3) and was fine. They should make one of those Enterprise sized since it can be blown to hell with only a few hits.

      Khan’s big cannon on Kronos will alternatively take out a flyer or a single Klingon without vaporizing them. Too bad no one though to grab one and give them to Starfleet Security (at H.Q. for example).

      That is all I can remember off the top of my head without seeing it a second time, and I doubt that will happen in the next year. It is not a bad movie relative to the rest of the stuff we are getting lately, but compared to the 2009 re-imagining (reboot is a terrible term for this, since you computer is not changed after you perform one), it falls short.

      Hopefully JJ & Bad Robot will be too busy with the magicians waving around magic swords and casting spells, which is called Star Wars. With that they can just make it up as they go along. Star Trek takes a lot more than just techo-babble thrown at the screen with some *swoosh* action, *vrum-vrum* more action, followed by an obligatory 15 second of comedy to make light of all the death around you.

    • While I agree and disagree with some of your points… I find it funny that you’re trying to explain how technology that DOES NOT EXIST should work.

      What principles are you using to determine whether or not phasers can work while ships are in warp?

      • That was meant for Chris.

      • I’d just add that as I was thinking about this, I remembered Kirk in ST TMP: whip in a wormhole…”Mr. Chekov, stand by on phasers.”

        You are correct, BN, is saying we don’t know how phasers work. I do know there are many instances where they were used at warp in TOS. I think he’s trying to say that light beams can’t move faster than light, which is what the ships are doing, in theory. In actuality, we have no idea how any of it works because even if it existed, we wouldn’t have to follow those rules in fiction. Gravity exists, but antigravity does not. We also have no idea how Enterprise maintains gravity without spinning, since that’s the only way we know how to create a similar effect.

        This is why I sit back and enjoy the movie.



  4. they made the character of captain Kirk look more like Berlusconi. Obsessed with girls. The original Kirk was too , but not like this one. And that’s the only thing that I didn’t like in this movie: all the rest was spectacular. Really impressive with simplicity and action at the same time. Well done (but please somebody should call the writers and let’em know that this is 2013 … girls in the movies don’t have to all fall for the main (male) character.