And I absolutely, completely disagree with you.
The ship, Absolutely GORGEOUS. Her curves are not disproportioned and ungainly, but graceful and elegant. The three tubes and a plate of the original enterprise, while it may have sufficed as spacey fifty years ago, looks outdated even by modern day standards and it’s not supposed to be made for 200 years.

I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t be caught dead in the sights of a klingon warbird in something that looked like it went out of style a century ago, especially if I were trying to intimidate.

I love the old Matt J. design…and for the 1960′s it represented a step forward in design, based on the current tech. However, it is now the 21st century, and we have eyes that have seen men on the moon, pictures from the surface of Mars…we have cell phones that make the old Tricorder look like a crystal radio set with a polaroid taped to it. Like all things, it was time for TOS to grow up. I think JJ saw that, and I think modern viewers accept that. The new design has its merits and shortcomings just like the original design did, and if they chose to go forward with it, it will grow and change as it needs too…so, just let it be what it is. I was neither happy nor heart broken by it, and understand, that as a work of science fiction, it will have to stand on its own two feet…just like TOS did.

Let it go people…grow up…move out of mama’s basement.

It’s far better than the redone planets and special effect of the remastered TOS. They’ve killed the feel of the 60′s sci-fi.

Also “it’s” is a contraction of the words IT and IS, please correct your spelling in your initial post. Unless you meant IT IS, you should be spelling it “its”. There is no apostrophe, just like HIS and HERS. (I think the modification of the english language is at least as bad as any trek redesign. =P )

Oh, and on a side note, I do know what it means. My father died after returning from Vietnam. I was only 5 months old when that happened. I, like him, joined the military, except I joined the Air Force. And I’m still serving my country proudly. Without violating OPSEC rules, I’ll leave my tours of duty (which are many) out of this discussion.

Now if you and your father enjoyed the new JJ Abrams movie, then good for you. Nobody said that you had to hate it. But I, like many others, do hate it. And there’s nothing wrong with us hating it. But no matter how you look at it, what he’s created is NOT Star Trek EXCEPT by name only.

Regarding the new Enterprise design, I hate it with a passion. James Cawley, who stars in the StarTrekNewVoyages episodes, hates the new design as well. There is not as much acceptance of the new design as many seem to believe. The comments I’ve seen from those who say that it’s “cool”, particularly from youth bloggers, are not even Star Trek fans, and are STILL not Star Trek fans…..go figure.

Finally, as for me not wanting Star Trek to move on, you couldn’t be more wrong. I’ve enjoyed the Next Generation; both the television episodes, as well as the movies. At least it stayed within the universe of traditional Star Trek. But what JJ Abrams and his team did was insulting! He’s changed Star Trek into a Star Wars episode which has no place in the world of Star Trek. Instead of phasers, we now have blasters. Instead of photon torpedo’s, we now have submarine-like torpedo’s. Instead of an engine room, we have a beer factory with water tubes which seemed to be all over the place.

On a plus side, the move was action packed. But it wasn’t enough to make up for the terrible script, weak story, weak villain, and no climax. It’s like two couples have sex, and deciding to quit before finishing the job.

One more thing. For you to usurp a strange theory that those who fought (and are fighting) for this country all loved Star Trek is absurd, and quite immature! Just in my duty section alone, only one person has admitted to liking the movie, but not enough to become a Trek fan. The rest of us all tease him for liking such a lame movie. Then again, this movie wasn’t made for those who enjoy a good Star Trek movie, but for those who only care about flashing lights, loud noises, and childish games such as “Find R2D2 in the movie, and you’ll win a stage prop”. Gee, just what I always wanted. A digital model of the worst Enterprise ever, and a keg of beer straight from the engine room. *Laughs* Even after drinking that much beer, the ugly starship design still looks terrible. Those huge warp nacelles could sure you a nacelle reduction. Looks like huge implants or something. *laughs*

Thanks for your service…but don’t forget about mine, and my fellow brothers and sister who CONTINUE to serve.

Joe

While I agree with you that this Star Trek had the highest turn out than any previous Star Trek film, I would not exactly count that as a success. You didn’t mention the cost it took to make this film, nor did you mention the amount of money poured into its advertisement campaign. From what I’ve heard, they didn’t have enough money to build the sets as they wanted. That’s why the Engine room looked cheap and cheesy; they used a bear factory, which looked quite awful.

Now regarding the high turn out, I’d be cautious in this because curiosity is what drove most people to see the movie. While many Trek fans were excited to see a new movie released, this didn’t mean they liked it just because they went to see it. There were many who felt as I did in the theater. Some worse because they got up and walked out; it was that bad.

As for new fans, I’d say there was only a small handful that stated they would become Trek fans, but most probably won’t. Even though they were thrilled by the movie, it was not enough to convert them to the world of Star Trek. I’ve asked many of them, and their response was that Star Trek was still a geeks film. I wouldn’t count on them showing up at the next Star Trek convention.

Finally, regarding the Enterprise, if you like the new design, then good for you. But the majority of us think it sucked badly. This design is why out of proportion, and has too many curves. I’m quite positive that if they had used the original design, although dressed up for the wide screen, JJ Abrams would have had a higher acceptance rate from traditional Star Trek fans. It would have been a win/win result. As a result of the over-designed ship, it was a win/loss result.

I agree that polls can be biased, but I’m not seeing anyone thrilled over the new design. Some say it looked awesome, but I doubt you’ll see them heading off to the hobby shop to purchase the new Enterprise. If you visit the On-Line Star Trek store, you’ll note that they have plenty of stock on the JJ Enterprise. But try to order the new “Where No Man has Gone Before” Enterprise, and be prepared to wait. So far, they ran out of stock twice. I’m hoping they have a new batch in this month (October). I can’t wait to get my hands on it.

If I had a wife who would let me spend the money, I would have purchased the Master’s Replica of the Original Series; it’s absolutely gorgeous.

Well Paul, take care.

Joe

I love the appearance of the new ship. That is an actual fact (well, it’s a fact that it is my opinion).

Joe, consider that a poll or debate on any Trek site is pretty much statistically irrelevant (including the little discussion we’re having right now!), in that you have a self-selected sample- ie. those who went to the site in the first place and then chose to answer the survey. It’s like a TV-news channel phone-in poll- it has no bearing on anything except the opinions of those who chose to call in. This is just mental gymnastics for us.

The TRUE Enterprise is any Enterprise that is put on screen. I gotta love ‘em all.

More later. Keep flyin’.

I agree with one poster who stated that they “Dumbed down” the movie to attract the non-intellectuals. This new movies was all about thrill rides, FX resolutions, and sound waves. The story was absolutely garbled with no apparent climax, and had the appearance of the LOST episodes. JJ Abrams, in my opinion, pushed more Trek fans away, than gained them. And the theoretical new fan base is not as high-leveled as everyone is making it. I’ve asked very non-trek person I know who seen the movie and liked it, if they would become Star Trek fans, and all of them said no.

Finally, the new design is not “gorgeous” as some like. If you like it, then that is OK. But this design is not my taste. It’s too radical and curvy, and doesn’t have the traditional Star Trek design. There’s no grace in her motion, and all of her angels appear out of proportion.

Will I continue to be a Trek fan? Yes, I will always love the Original Series, and the Next Generation films. But this garbage of a movie has no taste, not intellect, no climax, and the worst imagined starship I’ve ever seen. The fellow that designed this thing is a failure.

If JJ Abrams wants to see more Trek fans return, he might have one suggestion to follow. BLOW THAT THING TO HELL!

It’s too damn ugly! And that’s nearly a fact! On the Star TrekNewVoyages website, a poll shows that the original series Enterprise maintains the lead of acceptance. So although there are a few who like the new design, they are not enough to overwhelm the majority acceptance of the original and TRUE Enterprise.

I rank them Enterprise designs in this order:

1. TOS Enterprise
2. Refit Enterprise
3. Refit Enterprise A
4. USS Enterprise-E

The rest are all garbage to me, the worst being J-Treks Enterprise.

In conclusion, I gave it a chance. But with the weak story line, the senseless plot, weak climax, and over-designed toilet, I give the new movie several thumbs down! I will never accept anything JJ Abrams has to offer.

Joe

Unchanged, and unmotivated. )

My biggest question is when a cutaway poster of the new Enterprise will be available. I’ve got every cutaway poster I have been able to lay my hands on, and am jonesing bad for this next ship…where is the product marketing blitz? Gimme gimme gimme!