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  • McSweeney
    Why are you people getting all tripped up on joules? A simple kiloton/megaton conversion should end this debate. The Enterprise's 64-megaton photon torpedos are the equivalent of a 64,000-kiloton nuke: i.e. Galactica would get its butt kicked.
  • jpark
    I don't understand where these calculations came from for converting the explosive power to joules. Both numbers are off by MANY factors of ten. Besides, it is easy to know a photon torpedo of 64 MEGAtons is much more powerful than 150 KILOtons. One megaton is 1000x one kiloton. In translation, 64 megatons would be roughly 64000 kilotons... Enterprise's shields can take a couple photon torpedos, so a 150 kiloton nuke is literally a scratch. Galactica cannot safely take damage from a 1 megaton weapon, let alone 64...
  • ndv
    "150 kilotons = 625 Joules, and 64 Megatons = ~269 Joules. So the hitting power does go to the Galactica."

    This is just wrong. 150 kilotons = 625000000000000 Joules, and 64 megatons = 267800000000000000 Joules. One megaton is 1000 bigger than one kiloton. So the Enterprise's weapons are about 500 times better than BSG's.
  • jeconnally
    I WOULD LOVE TO SEE The Millennium Falcon vs A GLATICA VIPER
  • jeconnally
    keep in mind the federation will not hert people well glatica could care less
  • Topher
    Thanks for the spoiler alert...
  • Alex:

    Wow, I think you coined the best phrase to describe BSG: Blue Collar.

    Good coinage.

    I like your social observations from both shows.

    I love both shows, but man, after BSG, ST just feels like a Disney-fied space show. (I don't mean that in a bad way... )

    Bruce
  • Alex
    BSG is not that good. If it fires a nuke at ENT, ENT just picks it up and beams it back. If BSG decides to launch Vipers and Raps, ENT just cuts the landing bay from BSG. ENT has powerful scanners, it can pinpoint exactly where to cut, and with what yield. Finally, its crew is unburdened by the colonies' past and flaws. BSG crew is always on the verge of some breakdown or rebellion, ENT crew is focused and dedicated. Enterprise wins. There are wildcards too, ENT's Character Shields(important characters do not die) and last minute techno-miracles vs BSG's 'Destiny'... it's a tough one. I just hope they spare Starbuck, and tricoder her mysterious new existence, and find a way to keep her there. Just Starbuck, no one else onboard that Battlestar is worth the save.
    BSG might have had a chance against something slower, less equipped and with a crew of the more common sort.
    But to go against Kirk, Picard or Janeway... madness. Their tactics are mad crazy, and their crew is... well, imagine if BSG had several dozens of Gaius Baltars WITH a backbone.
    Most of BSG crew wouldn't be fit to scrub decks on ENT.
    I am a fan of both series, but BSG dissapointed me after 3.5, it got... weird. Star Trek is always trustworthy, like a Vulcan that was Borg that later had a positronic brain implanted and by a freak teleporter accident got a trill symbiont that has travelled through time in a parallel dimension (not mirror) and once possesed all the great captains that ever lived, and married Worf, or his sister. It's secure and fuzzy.
    On the other hand, BSG is more vivacious and exciting, i'll give them that. It is more blue collar and it got more flawed as S3 progressed. Picard is a scholar and tactician, Kirk an adventurous soul and a born leader, Janeway a smart all-rounder with staying power, while Adama is but a Seasoned General that mayhap drinks to much, goes to strip joints and is as humanlike as you could get. This trait is endearing, but i'd rather take Picard's cold precise command any day.
    So, in a battle, ENT wins, but which is the better show...? I like Trek more, but i enjoyed BSG as well. Trek is like old wine, it gets a bit dusty and outdated, but in a pleasant way. We'll see how BSG ages. Untill then.
  • Johhny-O
    @Jeff:

    Ken J is absolutely right, the Israelis are working on what amounts to an automatic aggressive targeting/strike system that, basically, takes out any kind of artillery shell or anti-tank missile by defeating it with a launch of its own outright, 'ala' Bruce Lee in a Kung Fu fight.

    Also, no offense, but you really should brush up on your fundamental physics - "Shield? Physics say not ever..." - wrong, pal, when it comes to a passive protective shield, you are living inside one RIGHT NOW - unless you live off planet, like, say, the MOON: It's called the Earth's natural electromagnetic shield, and it is formed by the electric motor-like effect of the planet's plastic-iron outer core spinning, very fast, around the molten iron inner core, thereby protecting us from deadly killer rays from the sun - which, between that & the ozone layer (of which the deterioration has been stopped, btw), is all that keeps us alive. Like our natural satellite, Luna,the planet Mars (which may once have had one) doesn't have such a field, and therefore can no longer support life, even if we give it a breathable atmosphere (which is called terraforming)

    And maybe you haven't been paying attention, pal, but there was a TRUCKLOAD more of boinking, screwing around, and just plain POONTANGING goin' on aboard Galactica, including Admiral Adama (President Roslin?) than EVER went on aboard the Enterprise - any of 'em!

    Get yer head down & unlocked, will ya?

    Please? It's embarrassing. Like people who dismiss teleportation as 'impossible' when physicist Paul Dirac laid it all out more than half a century ago - even without Heisenberg compensators (Heisenberg was a buddy of Hitler's anyway, how smart could he have been?). Nothing is impossible, and physics now indicate that - haven't you heard? They teleported light photons not more than a couple of years ago...

    You might wanna watch the Science Channel, it's very informative, and quite entertaining...

    JOHN
  • Ken J
    Actually Jeff, you know the Israelis are actually already developing a shield system for their armored vehicles right? Albeit it's more of an active shield than a passive shield like most sci-fi movies depict, but it's actually getting there.
  • Jeff
    Ok I read these often and like some have said, Star Trek is so far fictional and not real that it's almost comedy. Shield? Physics say not ever. The Nukes on Galactica are not small yield and are in the up to 400 Meg Ton range.

    I also like the beam the Nuke to the bridge of Galactica. Ok why don't they always do it? LMAO. Watch the battle scenes and see how fast their weapons are. Much faster that today’s weapons and just as fast as Star Trek universe weapons. What’s even better is the fact that the Star Wars guys roasted Star Trek about their so call "IM SO POWERFUL ENTERPRISE" LOL

    Why is it that Star Trek losses shield when hit with a kinetic forces? there is no hurry in Star Trek and have to wait for the captian who is in bed with some chick, to report to the bridge. Galactica would have ran the Enterprise over like a car vs a cat.
  • Actually, I do think that the Enterprise might have a higher chance of winning under most circumstances, however, the BSG I'm sure could put up and excellent fight. If the BSG got close enough to ram the Enterprise I'm sure it would crush it. Also, it could use it's Vipers and Raptors to outmaneuver the Enterprise. Offhand, I'd say it's pretty even - the Enterprise has the technology, but the BSG has the bulk.

    -Woton
  • Johhny-O
    I forgot to mention, I had NO IDEA the BSG was so massive!!! The last I remember, from the original series of thirty years ago (I know, I know, Pa Cartright as Adama), the Galactica was approx 2,000 feet long, roughly the same size of the Galaxy & Soverign classes (Enterprise D & E), but, MA GAWD, I had no idea Ron Moore's BSG was nearly a mile long! I guess size really does matter...that would help in FTL jumps, I should think, mass being more conducive to spatial distortion.

    JOHN
  • Johhny-O
    Hi all,

    Here's a matchup for you: How 'bout a hand-to-hand battle between Type 100 Terminators & Cylon walking toasters? It might be interesting, in a classic warfare kinda way, doncha think?

    Also, I just gotta agree with Kahless (great handle, btw), Science Officer T'pol of Captain Archer's NX-01 Enterprise blows even Tricia Helfer's Cylon Six (Caprica) clean away! Jolene Blaylock, who played her, made a perfect Vulcan, too. Anybody wanna see an interstellar cat-fight? Mreoooow!

    As for Troll-bait & Robin, kindly lighten up! I like Bruce's post, and we should all feel open to fun ideas, right?

    This post does raise a question, one I have pondered for a long time - does anybody know, has the Starfleet Canon ever logged a 1-2 man warpfighter, similar in concept to the Viper? As far as I can remember, only the Cadet Trainer from STNG's episode 'The First Duty' was ever seen in live-action. This begs the question, would there ever be another fighter-carrier Enterprise, a Starcarrier? Should there be? the difference, I needn't tell you, lying somewhere between armed shuttlecraft and a dedicated fighter as the ship's primary offensive weapons system. Anybody?

    Hey, Vic.

    JOHN

    PS: Superman would DEFINITELY kick Peter Parker's little ass! Spiderman? No contest!

    later...
  • im sorry i got carried away. lol.
  • Woton,

    Bruce is on the money. Although I pretty much disagree with the concept in your first comment (hey, I'll bet Spongebob Squarepants could kick Mike Tyson's butt if you took away Tyson's boxing skill and strength), there was no need for your second comment.

    Vic
  • WOTON: It seems you are a diehard BSG fan - cool!

    But keep in mind, we don't attack people here in SR for things they like. This is where we can express and debate our opinions and not be riffed for it.

    Besides, TNT to Joules is basic chemistry, physics and energy translation science.

    Thanks for coming by WOTON.
  • And for those of you that actually like Star Trek the SHOW over BSG, you are total nerds.

    Quoting Greenknight33: "1 gram of TNT = 4184 Joules
    1 tonne TNT = 909 kilograms TNT = 3,803,636,363 Joules 1 Megaton = 3,803,636,363 x 4.184×109 J so60,532,645,860,947,025,454,545,454,545 Joules which is roughly rounded 6.05 x 10(28) Joules (that’s lifting a lot of apples a lot higher than a meter) which is bigger than a yottajoule(YJ)."

    OMG. You seriously spend your time learning that? Get a life. 8)
  • You also need to take into consideration that the BSG actually has tech that makes sense and actually could be created. If you stripped the Enterprise down of all it's ridiculous junk like "beaming" the BSG would easily crush the Enterprise.

    While both the Enterprise and BSG both exist in a sci-fi universe, the Enterprise has a ton of tech that the BSG would only be able to dream of. The Enterprise is using photon torps while the BSG is still on nukes. My point is that, you can't fairly pitt the two ships against each other if one of them has some crap that the other one doesn't have.

    If you limited the Enterprise to BSG tech or if you gave the BSG all of the Enterprise tech, the BSG would win. Either way.

    If the Enterprise could simply beam photon torps into ships, Star Trek would be the most boring show ever. Not that it isn't anyway....

    As for the Enterprise being able to simply "run circles around the BSG" I think we are overestimating the Enterprise. It is not that maneuverable and the BSG would send out it's Raptors and Vipers.

    I think that if you limited the Enterprise to BSG tech, the BSG would win any day.

    And for a matter of the shows, Star Trek is about shooting people with little bolt's of energy, while BSG is about sex and nukes. 8) BSG any day.
  • Matt the Bruins fan
    The thing is, the power of Star Trek weaponry has always been variable depending on the needs of the plot.

    Back in the original series episode "The Doomsday Machine" the explosion of the U.S.S. Constellation's impulse engines destroyed the titular device when normal weapons systems from the Enterprise had no effect. That was likened to a 98 megaton nuclear explosion.

    In Star Trek VI the Enterprise's shields deflected multiple photon torpedoes before collapsing, but when one got through the damage it did to the ship's interior was less than even the smallest nuclear weapon would have caused.
  • LOL
  • Troll-bait
    This webpage is nothing but troll-bait, and you all fell for it. Only the most clueless idiot would actually think that the BSG would even stand a chance. No one is that dumb.
  • John:

    The power of "Sex-Appeal": When 7 of 9 was introduced on Voyager, it marked the first time in the series run that ratings went UP rather than bringing in stagnate or declining numbers.

    And yea, she can BORG me anytime!!!

    OK, enough of that.
  • John "Kahless" Taylor
    I don't know; those green Orion slave girls look pretty hot. And what about T'Pol and Seven of Nine....YEOOOOOOWWWWW!!!!!
  • Stark
    The Babe's in Battlestar have more impact than Enterprise! Babe's WIN! -Stark
  • mike
    my coco pops would beat it all :)
  • Gary
    MY scenario: the Death Star is sucked into a wormhole,
    when they come out the other side in the 24th century
    the ships is surrounded and overrun by a renegande group of klingon ships.
    They take over the Death Star.
    Scotty beams Tribbles into the engine room .
    They surround the warp core .
    the Klingons open fire on the tribbles BOOM!
    Problem solved.
    The tribbles making the ultimate sacrifice .
    Members of Starflett Intelligence that Volunteered for the Covert Op.
  • Beam a photon torp into the core. set it to go off. game over. NEXT!!
  • Jae Senn
    Enterprise vs. Death Star - Look at it, the Enterprise won't even be in the Death Star's line of fire! The Enterprise will zip about all around the death stars while taking pot-shots, and in the meantime Scotty will be rigging up a modified photon torpedo that can lock on to the Death Star's energy core so that the Enterprise can place one shot right down the chute and get the heck away from there.

    Or heck, why bother with the trouble - just cleave a massive hole on the side of the Death Star with the phasers, and bombard its core with photon torpedoes. Game over.

    I remember in an episode of ST:TNG, the Enterprise D's phasers could be use to blast a planet's surface to start some geothermic reaction or something.. This goes to show the the phasers are powerful enough to be fired from orbit and yet penetrate a planet's crust. The Death Star doesn't stand a chance!
  • greenknight333
    @ ANdy S

    When I saw the cover for that one I was working in the Middle East and I was in a book store in Riyadh and I almost wet my pants..Read it several times and found it to be a very enjoyable novel that was actually a great crossover between the two genres..two of my favorite..TNG and X-mutants... :)

    Cheers
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