‘Spartacus: War of the Damned’ Episode 8 Review – The Appearance of Control

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It’s a testament to how well-drawn the characters of Spartacus: War of the Damned are that an episode dedicated primarily to matters of the heart, and, eventually, parting ways can be so affecting, especially when it’s as tragically rushed as this episode sometimes feels.

With the entire series drawing to a close, there is the inevitability of what history has in store for Spartacus and his rebels, and it’s certainly no easy task depicting events that conclude contrary to how most stories of “good vs. evil” typically end. As was discussed during last week’s review, it’s clear that as bad as those in Spartacus’ army want total victory, the best they’ll be able to hope for is an everlasting reminder of this campaign’s impact on the Roman way of life. This has proven to be a difficult thing for Crixus, Naevia and, as we find out, Agron to ultimately grasp.

So when Crixus speaks to Naevia about his dreams for their future, she essentially tells him that she’s grateful for what freedom there has been, even if that time was mostly spent in harrowing situations and engaging in brutal combat; it was the ability to make the choice to fight alongside Spartacus and his rebels that matters most – that and killing as many Romans as possible before being sent to the afterlife.

And that is the fundamental difference in how the couple sees their situation, and how Spartacus views things: for them, the glory is in fighting the battle. As Crixus told Spartacus in ‘Mors Indecepta,’ he’d rather not die with a Roman sword in his back, and that, in a way, is another facet of the freedom this war has granted these men and women. They may be facing certain death, but they do so of their own freewill.

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Perhaps that’s why, when Crixus argues against Spartacus’ plan to traverse the Alps and see what’s left of the freed slaves to some form of enduring freedom far from Rome’s shadow, Spartacus realizes their objectives have become too divergent and it’s no longer suitable for him to deny Crixus the opportunity to seize that which he most craves. To that end, it becomes almost immediately clear that ‘Separate Paths’ will see Crixus to the conclusion of his story.

Naturally, with just a 10-episode season, there’s going to be certain aspects of the narrative that would need to be sacrificed. Here, the writers decide what’s most important is for these characters to come to face their end by acknowledging the shared path that brought them to this point. The departure of Crixus and Naevia was a foregone conclusion, but Agron’s decision to leave Spartacus behind so he could join the legion marching toward Rome was slightly unexpected, and his farewell to Nasir – though brief – offered some surprising insight as to the limits of Agron’s belief in what is ahead.

At the same time, DeKnight and his writers have the difficult task of creating characters on the other side of the conflict that the audience can invest in – even though they are, for lack of a better term, “the bad guys.” But as determined as Marcus Crassus is to get his man, and as wild and impudent as Julius Caesar has proven to be, it would be a disservice to their characters to label them as such. As such, they’ve seen fit to fill the narrative with the increasingly loathsome Tiberius – who has found his villainous niche in life by becoming something of a serial rapist – as he follows his assault on Kore with one on Caesar.

Christian Antidormi in Spartacus WOTD Separate Paths Spartacus: War of the Damned Episode 8 Review – The Appearance of Control

Tiberius also manages to deliver what appears to be (but probably isn’t) the deathblow to Agron and, as bitter a pill it is to swallow, runs Crixus through with a spear to the back before beheading the mighty Gaul at his father’s request. Naevia, injured in her run-in with Caesar, can only look on in anguish.

If anything, the abruptness of the march to Rome illustrates just how the series would have benefited from extra time and space to tell its story. If we could have followed Crixus’ army over a few more episodes, there may have been the opportunity to see some greater depth out of the decision to part ways with Spartacus, and, especially, more insight into Agron’s choice to leave behind Nasir. In the end, Crixus’ death stands as a powerful reminder about how close the series is to its conclusion and just how truly pressed for time these characters are.

Spartacus: War of the Damned will be taking a week off to allow everyone a chance to catch up. The next episode, ‘The Dead and the Dying,’ airs Friday, April 5 @9pm on Starz. Check out a preview of the episode below:

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  1. this episode has got to be the best ep of the entire season hands down. Loved the way spartacus and crixus said their goodbyes. I just hate how crixus was taken down by tiberius i was hoping an all out battle to the death. Hope Caeser kills that little Sht tiberius. Rip Crixus man i was about to cry when he died

    • I felt tears spilling from my eyes at the sight of Crixus dying. I hope Naevia’s death is quick.

      • I read somewhere that she isn’t immediately killed after Crixus was killed. I hope she takes Tiberius out in Asher-fashion

  2. Only thing I got from this eps was the rape scene, did that crap really happen to ceasar?

    Been watching this season only because it is called war of the damned plus have stars free until april sometime.

    • In truth, Ceasar wasn’t even alive when all of this was going on – I believe he was born about 30 years later. The series is fiction based on some historical fact.

      You are totally doing yourself a disservice watching only this last season without it’s predecessors — especially Season 1 and then the pre-quel that followed. The brotherhood between these men, their misery in servitude and their passion for freedom is developed over several seasons. For you, with only this season under your belt, it is probably the reason that the only thing that truly struck you was the rape scene. While powerful and shocking it was not the predominant event in the show

      • Caesar was in fact alive during this campaign but there is no historical proof that he was never involved in this conflict, he may have been but there’s no definitive evidence to say whether he was or not. Caesars story/role this show is 100% fiction

        • I read a book by Con Igglude (Not sure of that name) where he was building his own legion from a band of mostly misfits. In that book he had his legion at the final battle as a seperate general. In fact I think some of his troops might have been the surviving members who broke rank and ran from Spartacus. He an Brutus figured they’d do all they could to once again be able to hold their heads up as soilders instead of cowards.

          Ceasar getting raped was just foolish.

          • Emperor was the name of the book. My Favorite fiction novel

      • Yes Ceasar was alive during this time. Actually, Spartacus was Born 109BC and Ceasar was born 100BC. Just thought I’d put that out there.. But yes there is very few facts on the subject altogether. Very great and intriguing story never the less, and Starz has done great job with it.

        On another Note, I do not think Crixus should have died that way.

      • In truth, you better get your facts straight.. Caesar was very much alive during this period of time. However nobody can say with certainty where Caesar was during the TCW..

      • Ceasar was alive during this time period. His involvement with the hunt for the rebels isn’t really know but it’s more of a case of “legend has it” type of deal but the guy was very much alive and was just a little younger than Spartacus.

    • The son was only 15 in real life and the rape thing didnt happen

      The show is good but ceasars real life actions aren’t the same as in the show.

      i felt that that scene crossed the line, they should have done something else..

  3. amazing episode..powerful writing and outstanding job by these actors. I’m sad to see crixus go & for naveia to have to watch :/ this show better win some awards. Tiberius I hate with a passion, but he is very cunning. Reminds me of Ashur a little bit. I can’t for the last two episodes of this epic series! Long Live King Spartacus!

  4. The fish stop swimming as Tiberius approaches…
    The way they are playing up the Cassius-Kora connection, the more I’m having this bad, bad thought… what if she was like a mid-wife and had a son, but he was raised as a Roman…. No, I shouldn’t go there. On second thought, the way this Roman Punk is being portrayed, maybe I shouldn’t put it past the writers!

    I noticed someone back w/ Spartacus camp in the next ep spot. Is there hope that she will do to Tiberius what she did to Asher the previous season :p One thing I did note was Caesar plotting payback on Tiberius.

    Anyway. for the past few months it’s been wild getting a double dose of Manu Bennett on two shows. He’s all but stole Arrow, but if Emmy knocks they’ll consider him for his work during the War Of The Damned.

    • Unless they were switched at birth I don’t think that her child would have been raised as his Roman child like that. But I don’t know the back story so maybe…..that’d make for one hell of an eye opener just before he died.

  5. P.S.
    Tiberius will pay for his actions….in this life or the next!

    • You mean, in this life AND the next !

  6. This is a great show and great story telling but don’t look to get your history regarding the rebellion from this show. The show takes many liberties with the history of the rebellion and much what you see I the way of history is out of sequence. Starting in episode one. Furius and Cossinius while defeated by Spartacus had nothing to do with Crassus. Crassus was not in the picture then. Furius was killed first and not in a villa. Cossnius was. Answer to question; no it did not happen to Caesar. Tiberius is a fictional character. Crassus did have a son but did not fight against Spartacus. Crassus’s son whose name was Publius was killed in battle fighting against the Parthians. Crassus actually met the fictional fate of Crixus. Crassus was beheaded by the Parthians and paraded around.

    The history of the show is all out of order Yes Spartacus wanted to go to the Alps and freedom. Crixus wanted to stay and fight. Crixus never fought Crassus and the slaves never attempted to march on Rome. Again Crassus was not in the picture when Crius was defeated and killed. Crixus was defeated in his first battle after leaving Spartacus. The Romans sent Lentulus after Spartacus and Gellius and his high level assistant Arrius after Crixus. Gellius and Arrius defeated Crixus. Spartacus defeated Lentulus and then came back and defeated Gelius and Arrius. As shown in the next episode previews he did force the Romans prisoners to fight in gladiatorial matches to honor Crixus. Spartacus continued his march north to the Alps. He reached the Alps defeating every Roman army sent after him. He turned back from the Alps and headed South. Why is speculation. Crassus came into the picture after Spartacus turned from the Alps. Spartacus marched south and the length of Rome where the pirates betrayed him. He wanted to cross over to Sicily as depicted in the show. Crassus did set up fortifications to trapped Spartacus on Melia Ridge. Spartacus did break through the fortifications. It is believe he crossed the trenches by throwing in branches, dirt and bodies. If you want to read about the rebellion pick up the book The Spartacus War by Barry Strauss and/or Spartacus The Myth And The Man by M.J. Trow

    • Thanks for the book recommendation, IoSonoSpartacus.

    • Dude, I can’t agree with your comment [IoSonoSpartacus]. This show is extremely historically accurate and only takes liberties with the timeline and with some events.

      For example, Crixus did in fact split up from Spartacus. And two accounts of what he did remain- one where he marched on Rome, one where he didn’t.

      Caesar was dogged by rumors that he was gay or had gay sex- this is a famous fact about him. The show decided that those rumors would be started by Tiberius actually raping him. I don’t agree with what they did, namely because he’s Julius Freaking Caesar, but overall the show is following history here, even if the details are different.

      To sum everything I just said, it is not true that a show is historically inaccurate just because it’s scenes aren’t pulled right out of an Encyclopedia. This show has been following the general trajectory of history and has been actually generally fairly accurate. Taking liberties with the inner details doesn’t change the fact that this show has been showing us some real and true historical facts: for example, it is an undisputed fact that Spartacus and Crixus did split, and that Crixus did in fact get defeated in battle after that, and did in fact die.

      • Nope – Let me reiterate the show is great and I enjoy it immensely. As far as being historically accurate it is not. When you take liberties with historical events and a timeline. You are not being historically accurate. Yes it does follow the history and loosely bases the show off the history.

        Lets start with what is accurate and not. Season 1. Very little is known about Spartacus’s time in the ludus.
        Yes he was there and yes he led a revolt and broke out with Crixus and possibly Oenomaus. Oenomaus was not a Doctore and was not African. He was Celt as was Gannicus. Nothing of Spartacus, Crixus, Oenomaus or Gannicus gladitoral history is known. There was no connection between Glabor or Spartacus before Vesuvius. Spartacus did not serve under Glabor. Spartacus wife was captured with him and sold into slavery and brought with him to the ludus. The history record does state Spartacus served as a Roman auxiliar. Why he deserted if he did is speculation. Batiatus name was either Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Batiatus or possibly Vatia. Nothing much is known of him other than he owned a ludus and Spartacus trained there. Whether Batiatus had a wife is not known. There was no Lucretia, Ilithyia, Varro, Navia, Agron, etc …

        Season 2. A whole season was devoted to Glabor. In reality Glabor was a footnote in history. Yes he was the first praetor sent out after Spartacus and was defeated at Vesuvius. Glabor did try and starve the rebels out. There was one path leading up the mountain and it was rough and narrow. Spartacus did descend Vesuvius on vines and attacked the Romans and wiped them out. ANothergiant historical inaccuracy in season 2 was Varinius’s death. Varinius did not confront Spartacus before Glabor. He was the next praetor sent after Glabor. Matter of fact he was defeated by Spartacus after Furius and Cossinius. Cossinius was chosen by the Senate to assist and advise Varinius. Furius was a legate of Varinius. Again as I mentioned in my last post. Furius and Cossinius had nothing to do with Crassus and Crassus was nowhere in the picture at the time yet. After Glaber, Furius was first to be defeated, then Cossinius and then Varinius. It is true Spartacus split the spoils of war among all of his troops. He was kind and compassionate. Did try to limit the rape and pillage.

        Season 3: I touched on to recap. Spartacus and Crixus did split. Spartacus went to the Alps and Crixius stayed to fight and plunder. Three quarters of the rebel army decided to stay with Spartacus. Only a quarter decided to go with Crixus. Crixus was defeated in the first battle after leaving Spartacus. Spartacus defeated the legion that defeated Crixus. He had the Roman soldiers fight to the death in honor of Crixus. Crixus never fought Crassus. Crassus was still not in the picture yet and had nothing to do with his defeat. He was defeated by Gellius. After defeating Lentulus Spartacus defeated Gellius. Spartacus continued his march North to the Alps defeating every Roman army. He made it to the Alps and could’ve crossed. He turned back from the Alps. Historians only speculate as to the reason. The Romans feared he would march on Rome. Gellius and Lentulus regrouped and joined forces. The joint forces met Spartacus at Picenum in north central Italy after Spartacus left the Alps. The Romans lost the battle. They marched south and met another Roman army led by proprietor Manlius. They defeated the Roman army. Now Crassus moves into the picture and takes over it was autumn of 72 BC. As depicted in the show Mummius was given orders to follow Spartacus closely but not engage him. Tiberius fictional character. Mummius did engage him and was routed. His troops ran from battle and Crassus did decimate the troops. Spartacus was not in the boot at this time as the series portrays. After defeating Mummius Spartacus marched towards the Italian peninsula and reached it. We know what happened. He was betrayed by pirates, broke through Crassus fortification at Melia Ridge.

        It is obvious while the show is based on the history of the man himself it plays fast and loose with the facts of the rebellion. Actually rushing to a conclusion this year to wrap the show. Putting events and battles out of order, they passed over so many accomplishments of the rebellion and Spartacus the man himself.

        • The show is considered a fictional historical series. Some portions are accurate while other explore the “Legend has it” theory based on stories told in Rome. Yes, while they are many books written about Spartacus and the war, not all are actually 100% accurate since there are many tales of the story.

        • @loSonospartacus. I agree with everything you said except Oenomaus being a Celt. I thought he was a Gaul just like Crixus.
          It is a tv show so they have to embellish things to make it more interesting. It doesn’t need to follow history exactly. Besides there are different versions about what occurred at the end.
          That being said, I think it is an excellent show and I have enjoyed it immensely since day 1. I just hope the writers had spared Spartacus.

          • We are both correct. Oenomaus and Crixus while Gaul were Celtic. Gauls = Celtic peoples living in the Po valley in northern Italy and on the other side of the Alps between the Mediterranean and the Rhine River.

            • It was a region within Western Europe that would now encompass northern Italy, France, Belgum, and the Po Valley. That doesn’t mean they were Celts. They might have spoken the languages and shared some Celtic ways of life, but a lot of the descendants identified themselves as Gauls rather than Celts.

  7. I am Spartacus!

  8. I know Game of Thrones has been the vogue fantasy show but Spartacus has upped its games this season mixing action with some great story telling. Hugely underrated and for me, I hope Manu Bennett goes on to big things. He’s above a minor role on the Arrow. If there is a Boba Fett movie, can Bennett play him please?!

    • He also plays Azog the white orc in “The Hobbit” trilogy.

  9. what the hell,crixus die. I’m not going to watching the rest of te episode. he was my favorite…. I don’t to know waht’s going to happen next……. Oh jesus!

  10. It truly was heartbreaking to see Crixus die even in light of the growing dislike from apparent discord and ‘losing mind’ through the trials and tribulations of battle and beng so counterproductive to Spartacus with betrayals. He at times was depicted as a mindless brute who only but craved blood & battle only to surprise the audience with a much more deeper, telling side as shown when with Naevia. Either way he has been there since the beginning, and surprisingly enough, I even got choked up a little watching the slow motion glimmer of his head surely being chopped off – And by that little boy rapist no less.

    Seeing as they have swayed off path in regards to historical accuracy with many placements of pure – fiction, one would sometime wish for a completely alternative more favorable ending for the show’s sake, and yet, in a way it makes it that much more endearing.

    • Twas indeed harsh, but I myself wasn’t startled to witness such dyre end for he who chose to stir the hornet’s nest and believed impervious to thy venom. Truly, it would bring me great discomfort as to see such bloody fate fall upon Spartacus and Gannicus, for they are my favorite sword-bearers in this tale. Though I do not think of them immortal as well.
      (If this ain’t an hommage I don’t know what is!;))

  11. It’s about time Spartacus hooked up with someone again (Cream of the crop to boot) I don’t know if he just got some ocassional strange in his bed roll, but wasn’t she the first since the slave girl who visited him in his cell after he won in the arena, and then broke out with him? I don’t even remember how or where she died any more. But that little red headed former noble woman was fitting for basically the king of the slaves.

    Can you imagine what the show would look like if they tried to make the slaves and gladiators more realistic? You wouldn’t be seeing these big beefy looking warriors with unlimited energy. From being on the run with not many rations everyone would look pretty gaunt by this time. Those gladiators wouldn’t have all that energy we see or still look like they spend hours in the gym working out. Then again…In this series…Being a gladiator means that regardless how hard you’re hit or cut you just dra a little blood and all battle scars or wounds clear up in hardly no time. Kind of makes me wonder how the real slaves and gladiators could do as well as they did against a well fed army

    • I actually didn’t like the forced pairing they made of Spartacus and Laeta. I dont know how I feel about her character but there was like 0 chemistry between her and Spartacus throughout this season.

  12. 1) This episode was like a roller coaster. The first 40 minutes were like a ride up to the top and then the last 20 were like the drop and the rest of the ride. The goodbyes between the Crixus, Gannicus, Agron, and Spartacus were wonderfully done in the set up. The bond they all share and love for one another was deeply felt. Which made the last 20 minutes difficult to endure especially the last 10 when Crixus’ army destroys the army at Rome only to be met (which surprised me) by Crassus’ forces.

    2) The character of Caesar is one that I find truly fascinating. He is the ultimate depiction of honor and son of Rome. His desire to protect Rome in his conversation with Crassus shows him to be beloved figure of the state. Tiberius’ character arc has been well done as well. Transforming from a stuck up child to a harden man to a true villain.

    3) The last scene (and most of the episode and series) was just a stunning use of visuals. To see Crixus’ head fly off in the reflection of Navia’s eyes and as his head sails in the air, her eyes close, giving us the impression that the last image she says before dying is his severed head.

    They have outdone themselves this season.

  13. Can anyone please explain to be what Ceaser says to Gannicus in the above preview for April 5. He tells him “fair trade, 500 of your men taken in battle against Crixus for Tiberius’ life” Don’t understand this. I know I am a bit rushing to see the next episode and it drives me crazy, but from everything I have seen upto the most recent episode, that statement doesn’t make sense. Maybe I misheard it or something I am not getting.

    • I think it all takes place in the next episode. Something happens next episode in which they kidnap a few.

    • It would have made more sense if he said something like, “500 captured for the chance to fight Tiberus in the arena”. There’s really no reason he’d want to bargin for his life other than to take it.

    • It means 500 of their captured men will be released if they are able to kill tiberious

    • I saw the preview as well. Interesting; just have to see what develops. If we have learned anything up to this point it is do not trust Romans-least of all Ceasar. If I have Ceasar in hand, I would not make any deals or bargains with him; just seperate him from his head as was done to Crixus, then worry about getting my 500 back.

  14. Manu bennett is playing on big hit.

    He plays the orc leader forgot his name Azolg or something close to that in the movie. The Hobbit an Unexpected Journey.

  15. Probably the worst episode not only of the season but of the entire series. As you say, this season has been terribly rushed and rather poorly constructed, and you’re right in saying that Crixus’s march could have lasted several episodes at least, and this is the same for almost all of the events portrayed so far in the season. Spartacus needed at least 2 more seasons after Vengeance.

    What a terrible waste. This episode killed of the series. People raving about this episode are freaking mad and have no concept of what made Blood and Sand and to a lesser extent, Vengeance, truly great. I’m amazed to see all these boneheads coo appreciatively as the Starz Gods spread the cheeks and ram cock in ass.

    Spartacus is dead. This season was a horrible failure.

    • Agreed they did a disservice rushing this great show to it’s conclusion. They should have followed the rebellion to the Alps and all the conflicts and victories along the way. Spartacus and Crixus splitting as they did for the reasons they did. Crassus and Ceasar should not have been brought in until next season. They developed Gannicus’s character nicely this season and should have built on that. Laeta’s character should have been developed in a similar fashion on the march toward the Alps and relationship with Spartacus explored further. This season should of ended with them turning from the Alps.

      I don’t know if the production costs were getting too high. I don’t believe the great writers they have were running out of ideas. At the very least they should have made this a 13 -14 episode season like the first season. Great series rushed to it’s finish.

  16. I really like the way they were building up Ceaser. I was starting to think of him like Achilles in Troy. Then he gets screwed by that little sh*t Tiberius and I lost all hope for him. Now I don’t really care what they do to his character. Only because he can’t be the chuck Norris that I wanted him to be if he can’t fight off 2 regular guards and that little twerp.

    • That had his arms so he couldn’t grab his sword. In reality he probably could have handled everyone if he could have grabbed his sword. His training in his status would have been to be deadly with swords. Besides….had he broke free and killed even the guards that would have been an instant death sentence for killing another solider without orders. They were very clear about that rule.

  17. I love the language in the show. You know I stand on higher ground in this matter. Now you should say gratitude.

  18. regarding historical accuracy, the only thing I don’t like about this series is that they all act like their hate of the romans is a prejudice type thing, where they just want to spill roman blood.

    from what i understand, it was much more political. spartacus was able to assemble such a large army not only because he gathered freed slaves as he pillaged, but poor farmers and shepherds also decided to join him. he took advantage of the political and economic situation of the time and created a populist army.

    i felt that by simplifying their identity, the series missed an opportunity to tie in some real social commentary, as in, you don’t just have to be a slave to revolt. romans who were dissatisfied with the republic freely joined spartacus to seek either the end of Rome or a better life.

    but maybe that truth would strike to close to home to our modern empire, where citizens voluntarily overturning their nations is an unspoken taboo. That’s change we can believe in ;)

    • You’re probably right, but for that kind of depth to this series you’d be stepping away from the narrow focus within each season. If this was a BBC version we’d see far less blood and sex, but more depth and a closer account of history. Like you I too wouldn’t mind something like a BBC version to come along at some point. This version is a fun watch, but basically it’s a moving comic book

  19. If this series is “reasonably” historically accurate-of which I am not certain and which I will have to defer to others in this thread who claim to be so-then the Spartacus/Crixus breakup is the proximate cause of the Romans victory in the saga, and of course the ultimate downfall of Spartacus and Crixus. And for that, I blame Spartacus, and deficiencies in his generalship-primarily his handling and managememt of both Crixus and his followers. Spartacus should not have allowed Crixus to leave, and properly handled by Saprtacus, Crixus may not have wanted to leave; the slave army would have stayed together; and victory and freedom may have been assured. Crixus wanted Roman blood; then Spartacus should have let him have it. Use Crixus and his followers as did Robert E. Lee say used Stonewall Jackson- as his killer in residence; use Crixus as did say Crassus use Ceasar; as his instrument; his sword; his right arm! Keep Crixus pacified; send him out frequently either forward or rear to wipe out pockets of Romans simply to keep his bloodlust sated, instead of Spartacus’ “my way or the highway” dictum. Prtoper management of Crixus with a view to keeping the slave army intact towards the common goal of victory and freedom may very well have assured both plus the ultimate survival of Spartacus and Crixus.

    • To the contrary Spartacus’s achievements as a leader and general are remarkable. You have to remember all the different cultures and language barriers he was dealing with. He rebellion grew beyond belief. He had thousands of people with no military background, woman and children. He had to train them, feed them, get weapons for them and other supplies. Then he had to face the greatest army in the world at that time. He was not dealing with people of like mind. He was dealing with many who were in it for the rape, pillage and plunder. The man’s accomplishment is enormous. The fact they held up for so long and defeated so many Roman armies is because of his leadership. When Crixus left he was defeated. When Gannicus left he was defeated. Yes you are correct in stating that; this had much to do with the eventual defeat of the rebellion but; Spartacus knew from the beginning they had to get out somehow. He knew no matter how many times they beat the Romans they would continue to come after them. They did not care how many battles they lost as long as they won the final one. He knew eventually they would recall Pompey and Lucullus. He also knew he could not fight Rome on Rome’s terms. He had to use the mountains and ambush. The man was a great leader and general. His success in battle so enormous that it probably contributed also to the rebellions downfall. This was probably one of the factors he could not get across to them that they needed to get out of Italy. All the success they were having. Think about it. He marched a rag tag army of slaves from one end of Italy to the other defeating ROman srmy after Roman army. He marched them all the way to the Alps and could’ve crossed then all the way south only to be betrayed by pirates.

      • Your points are noted, yet are unresponsive to my central thesis of what Spartacus had to do to win. He did not win. You may feel that his accomplishments are remarkable, yet the truth is, he lost! Had he followed what I spelled out above to use Crixus wisely to his strengths; to keep his army together-who knows? That is all that I am saying. If you want to give him brownie points for a “moral” victory, go right ahead, though I will not. Sorry!

        • @ George….

          You say he lost. What was his ultimate message? What was he fighting for? Freedom. For him and his followers to die as free men/women and not as slaves. In that aspect, he won.

          • True they died as free men and women though I am sure that they would have preferred to live as such.

        • If only you were there George.. Maybe he would still be alive now if Spartacus had you as adviser!

          • Thanks for the heads up; don’t know if he’d still be alive now, but he would have managed his army-and Crixus-a heck of a lot better-if he would have listened to me. I would have simply given advice; would not have taken up swords against him, or gone bare knuckle if he did not want to take my advice for sure!

        • George I did not realize you were a military technician. Yes the rebellion was unsuccessful. Yet Spartacus is still being talked about today, books written, movies created. Crassus the victor only gets mentioned because of his association to Spartacus. By the way Crassus, Ceasar, Pompey, etc … eventually fell. Maybe you can tell us why and would that also mean they were all losers? Maybe move on the Alexander The Great also and many many more that were great military minds that eventually failed.

          No brownie points for your narrow scope of thinking.

          • Can’t comment on any of these others; don’t know the particulars. I am only commenting on Spartacus on the basis of what I am watching in the series. I recently watched the 1960 Spartacus with Kirk Douglas which is far different in the closing scenario that the current Spartacus is. There, Douglas’s Spartacus (if you recall) was fleeing 2 Roman armies behind him (Southern Italy-the boot), and closing to battle Crassus near Rome. There was no split off by Crixus in the earlier version. Douglas actually had a much more difficult task-and with an intact army. There I would have advised Douglas to stay in the South and attempt to defeat the two Roman armies one at a time-one of which I believe was Pompey; the other was 4 days away. Douglas’s Spartacus in putting himself in the middle of 3 Roman armies all closing on him from 3 different directions virtually committed suicide. Case in point in the US Civil War, General Grant broke up a serious argument between General George Meade and General Phil Sheridan, the head of the Union cavalry. Sheridan wanted to go off and destroy the Southern cavalry which he felt he could do, while Meade wanted Sheridan’s cavalry to stay close and guard the infantry’s wagon trains. To resolve the impasse, both generals came to Grant who sided with Sheridan, and let him loose. In the resulting battle of Yellow Tavern in Virginia, Sheridan’s cavalry won a resounding victory in which Southern cavalry general JEB Stuart was killed. I fail to see in the instance of Spartacus that he could not have attempted to use Crixus the same way, which I am sure that Crixus would have appreciated, and may very well have retained their association intact.

            • George don’t get your history from the movies or a cable series which it seems you have done regarding Spartacus. You want to know about the rebellion and make an educated judgment about his leadership and military capabilities then read one or both of the following books and read what the Roman historians had to say about the rebellion, Spartacus and the other players. The Spartacus War by Barry Strauss or Spartacus The Myth And The Man by M.J.Trow. Get your facts straight and the players straight then make a judgment. Neither the movie or the series is historically accurate both are loosely based on historical fact.

              • Excellent advice, though unnecessary. I already admitted above (I believe) in my initial posting that I was not well versed on the actual history of these events and that others in the thread-presumably yourself-were much more so. I simply offer critiques of strategy as displayed in the series and the previous movie. I have no knowledge as to how closely what is offered on both the series and the earlier Spartacus movie mirror actual events. Several here have contributed as to that who have read the actual history of these events (which I have not), and I ceertainly respect and welcome these contributions.

  20. Wow! Tiberius shocked the hell out of me raping Caesar like that. It was kind of funny since Tiberius is so small and young. It’s usually the other way around. Caesar is gonna get his revenge and Crassus is gonna go crazy when he finds out what happened to his love slave.

    I always liked Crixus but I was glad to see him die for killing innocent women and children. For me the rebellion was about freeing slaves and not killing every single Roman man,woman and child.

    • Women and children are usually the majority of the death toll in war. That’s just how it is. Had they had gladiators and soldiers sparing them that wouldn’t be realistic.

      Also, how in the world is someone getting raped, funny? You should see a professional on your line of thinking

  21. caesar should have shutup

  22. The series itself is truly amazing !!! It is a huge shame it is all coming to an end! Lets hope producers and writers will not kill “the King Spartacus” and realize at some point there is a room for something new and even more exciting like ” Spartacus Legends ” or something like that …I know it is more of a dream but …hey who knows ? ;) We may yet see some more roman blood in the future:D

  23. Has anyone else noticed, or am I mistaken? The big, brawny gladiator whom Spartacus killed long ago when he was consigned to the Pits (Blood & Sand) is played by the same actor who as a Roman soldier Spartacus bested in a contest he was forced to fight inside the house of Batiatus to entertain Glaber– that was just before Crixus went stark raving and beat up Ashur for pawing Naevia. Now it’s the same actor playing a Roman soldier again, as aide to Tiberius Crassus (he helped hold down Julius Caesar during the rape). Am I right, and if so, how come? The producers easily could have furnished another extra for these minor roles.

    • I don’t recall the big brawny gladiator from the previous episodes that you make reference to but you may very well be correct that he was an actor used previously. Someone commented a few weeks ago here that one of the Silician pirates killed by Gannicus when he rescued Laeta and Sibyl, and broke out of the city was previously a gladiator in the Vengeance series who I recall was killed by the Romans in the woods episode right after Spartacus and Crixus broke Naivia out of the mines. So yes, some of these minor actors have apparently played multiple roles in this series. Not enough of them to go around I guess.

    • are you the actor? lol

      nobody [else] would notice that…

      • Thanks for the heads up! And no I am not the actor. Just perceptive I guess. And that woods episode in the Vengeance series was one of my favorites. Spartacus was a killing machine in that episode; Mira was great also.

  24. Naevia is still alive?!
    Oh drat, I don’t suppose Gannicus will care.

  25. Yes, and another point of order: Crixus got the the gods of the Roman pantheon mixed up. He should have told Gannicus that it would be a blessing from ***Mars*** (not Jupiter) if Gannicus were to join him in battle for Rome. But what does Crixus know? After all, he’s just all Gaul.

  26. I didn’t think I could loathe Tiberius any more than I had when he raped Kore. His sniveling and attempted cleverness to deceive his father made such hatred increase and that became an inferno of rage when he raped Julius Caesar and killed both Agron and Crixus. I would love to see the most gruesome death for his character, one in which he is forced to crawl towards his father and his father merely shrugs it off. DAMN YOU TIBERIUS

    • Your having Agron as dead is a little premature. It is my undersatnding that he is still alive at the start of Episode 9 and the Romans crucify him, though I may be wrong.

      • For even striking Agron is a killable offense for Tiberius. :/ I didn’t see the preview for episode 9, so it is a bit premature to say that he was killed off. However, my post was basically a rant about how much I hate Tiberius. Like…words or .gifs can’t describe it

        • I’d have trouble understanding how anyone would like Tiberius, and the series writers have put so many bulls-eyes on him: from Caesar for his homosexual rape; from Kore for hers (and also Crassus if he would ever find out about it-potentially)from Spartacus and the rebels now because of Crixus-especially since Naivia is being sent back to Spartacus with Crixus’ head-or for that matter Naivia herself-I am sure that Tiberius will be departed by the end of the series-quite possibly by the end of Episode 9 as well.

          • I would just call it rape rather than homosexual rape since rape is about displaying power rather than an attraction (as would be the definition of homosexuality). Hopefully indeed Tiberius would fall in lavish fashion. There are so many wronged parties involved that I wish they could throw logic out the window and have everyone effected grab a weapon. Quartering isn’t even good enough for him. :/ It is nice to note that the real life Marcus Crassus had a son named Publius (which we briefly saw earlier in the season), which means Tiberius can’t be saved. I think I’ll buy streamers when he dies.

            • I agree with you as to how you define rape-particularly in this instance-since it is clear to anyone who has watched the series that there is no attraction whatsoever between Tiberius and Caesar, and that Tiberius’ violation of Caesar was nothing more than the blunt demonstration of force and power. I believe that we are likely to see a repeat of the Vengeance series where a lot of the characters are to be killed off in the final episodes-obviously nearly all if not all of the rebel characters are now about to die. Tiberius is the prime candidate to bite the dust on the Roman side. Episode 9 I believe is to be titled: “The Dead and the Dying,etc.” or something similar so we are indeed likely to see a string of bodies carried off the screen in anticipation of the end of the series.

              • I know that the rebels will almost all be killed off and yet a large part of my brain wants to remain in denial. I read a tumblr post where someone suspected that Spartacus would give his life to see some of his forces escape (mainly Gannicus), which has some plausibility. What I don’t want is:
                a) Gannicus sacrificing himself to save Sibyl ( I don’t know what it is about her, but I’m not a fan of the pairing)
                b) Nasir to just go to Castus simply because Agron left. I have no problem with him and Castus being together (Castus actually cares for him and Nasir deserves happiness), but to have him pursue Castus simply out of heartache would be upsetting.
                c) Kore to be killed by Tiberius–after all she’s been put through, if she has to die, it should be someone else’s hands.
                d)Marcus Crassus to never find out that it was his son that betrayed him, not Kore.

                Do you watch the Walking Dead as well? I feel as we have similar thoughts on Spartacus.

                • Sorry, but the Walking Dead does not do it for me. I am really into history-particularly as you can guage from my above posts-military history, so the Spartacus saga has fascinated me for a long time, particularly with the issues involved of a army of slaves rising up to battle tyranny in order to secure their freedom. Some of the science-fiction shows on cable in the past have attracted my attention such as the 444 and Falling Skies, etc. those with an Extra-terrestrial and/or (again) military aspect to it, though I liked the Dead Zone as well; also the Sarah Connor Chronicles. I like the Gannicus/Sybil pairing; if they had (have??) a future I can see her settling him down-much as the Doctore’s wife did in the Vengeance series. It seems to me to date that it is Castus who is doing most of the pursuing, but since Agron just left, we will see. I can almost visualize Kore doing Tiberius in more than vice versa. I have had very mixed feelings as to how Crassus views his son-particularly to date since he does not know of what Tiberius did to Kore-and whether he’ll find out or not.How or whether that critical question is answered will likely determine Tiberius final standing with Crassus upon his son’s demise which seems we both agree is most likely. I would have like to have seen further development of Spartacus and Laeta growing together but there likely now is not time to do so. Obviously Spartacus will die; wonder if she will?

                  • I really liked Laeta in the beginning when she was forced to stay within the walls of sinuessa en valle, but after she left to join Spartacus I found her just a face amongst dozens of others. I like Saxa and I’m not sure why, but I can see her not helping Sibyl if she asked her -like, if Gannicus was too busy fighting further away, and she was caught between an advancing Roman. Anywho, I started watching the 4400, I really like it, but I’m not sure if I want to continue it since it got canceled with no conclusion -one of my biggest pet peeves. Boardwalk Empire combines history and non-fiction, so if you’re into crime, I would definitely suggest it (you can never go wrong with Scorsese as a producer). Also, there’s the Borgias on Showtime that is also amazing, as well as Pillars of the Earth (there are some historical elements within it).

                    • I am quite the opposite with respect to Laeta in that when she was Spartacus’ captive in Sinuesa, I did not like her very much at all as she was just a typical snotty Roman with clearly no loyalties to any but the Roman cause. However, upon her betrayal by Crassus and her deliverance into slavery to the pirates, the change that came over her was astounding and she became a much more sympathetic figure-both the actress and the writers really pulled off a coup with the development of this character. Add to that how Spartacus responded to her; I am very glad to see they gave him another romantic interest prior to the end of the series. A slam bang ending will have her dying at his side, but again we’ll see. I am sorry but I don’t get Showtime now (used to), and that show you described sounds good! The space to write in keeps getting narrow-guess there’s a message here.

  27. I’m so fudging pissed! They killed off Crixus! The baxtards!!! And Agron could be dead too! And then there’s the whole Tiberius raping Caesar! I mean that was just…ugh!!

  28. What an awesome awesome production. It will take me a while to forget this show. I am so drawn to all of the characters from beginning to end. I am now grieving the end of such a great story and the end of “spartacus”. I cant express how deeply moved I am by this heroic tale. Fiction or not it is worth great reward! Well done everyone that had a hand in its production.

  29. The hardest part for me was in the last episode where Gannicus ended up captured and finally Crucified because all his group attacking Crassus and his army were killed (especially Saxa I felt bad for). Although I did think that the ending was quite appropriate especially if you are attempting to make it even remotely follow the true story. However, it was very sad at the end when almost all of them including Spartacus himself were killed.