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lant said,
September 8th, 2008 

i wont watch it if this is true and i love cap.

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Nestor said,
September 8th, 2008 

Well Marvel themselves had black captain america-like supersoldiers in several comics, so it’s not exactly completely out of left field

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Reverend said,
September 8th, 2008 

I don’t see how it would work with Cap’s origin– I think times were still a bit too racist for them to select an African-American for the super soldier trials.

Rev

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Ken J said,
September 8th, 2008 

Yah, he was supposed to be from WWII or WWI right??

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INK said,
September 8th, 2008 

Wild, Wild West 2, anyone?

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Dave said,
September 8th, 2008 

Will Smith continues to impress me with what he can pull off

I’ll go along with the damn ULTIMATES move of having Fury be Jackson version and sometimes thinking outside the box can be good…

but in this case
NO

Absolutely not.

A good Cap movie has been a long time coming - they have the capability to do it right - I WANT the Steve Rogers I grew up with. That is Cap.

Going along with this would be the HOLLYWOOD move I thought we were starting to be able to get away from.

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Nestor said,
September 8th, 2008 

This is the comic I meant, Truth:: Red, White & Black, in which black soldiers are used as guinea pigs before they risk using the supersoldier serum on a white guy.

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Rob said,
September 8th, 2008 

This can’t happen. The movie is being made my Marvel studios, and there is no black Cap America in any of the Marvel stories. They will stay more true to the source. Marvel fans would never allow it.

This is a crazy false rumour.

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Oscar! said,
September 8th, 2008 

Samuel L Jackson as Fury actually works because Ultimate Nick Fury was actually based on him, but there has not been a black Captain America. And he said it before, he wouldnt want to take all the white mans heroes away lol i think it was on this site that i read that. :)

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John "Kahless" Taylor said,
September 8th, 2008 

As much as I like Will Smith, I would have to say no as well. As Rev mentioned, there was too much racism during that time period, and I’m sure Marvel would want it to be realistic. Well, as close to realistic as a comicbook movie can get.

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Ken J said,
September 8th, 2008 

Thomas Jane for Captain America anyone? lol

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Max said,
September 8th, 2008 

NO NO NO!!! WILL SMITH IS A VERY GOOD ACTOR BUT HE IS NOT CAPTAIN AMERICA!! I WON’T ALLOW THIS!!!

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Antonio said,
September 8th, 2008 

I like Will Smith. I like Captain America. Even as a black guy, I don’t think they should throw it too him.

That being said, there was Isaiah Bradley, also known as the black Captain America. He was created trying to reproduce the process that made Steve Rogers into a supersoldier. With a few changes, you can have Isaiah Bradley as the guinea pig before they tried the Super Solider Serum on a white army guy, it works, and the story follows the same route as with Steve Rogers.

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the old man said,
September 8th, 2008 

Experimentation in that era wasn’t just carried out on blacks, don’t forget what happened at “Operation Crossroads” and other tests like it..

It’s not impossible to tweak the story to accommodate Will Smith. Is it so impossible to have two Captains America?
Imagine the over the top ending you could have if Smith’s Cap is looking at Roger’s just as he wakes up after thawing out.. “Good morning, brother!”

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Daniel Fenwick said,
September 8th, 2008 

I wouldn’t mind this to much the only problem I have is as everyone has pointed out Cap is from WW2 it seems highly unlikely that a black man would of been selected from the program in that day and age. Then again this could work out we never know. I’m not to obsessed with them being so true to the comic that the color of the actor has to be the same. As long as he is still a strict military man and he dosn’t act like a thug I don’t see it being to big a deal.

I would like to add that Hancock wasn’t actually all that bad and Will proved he could do the “Ahh Hell na” Before I am legend when he did Pursuit of Happiness which was an excellent film. I am legend wasn’t actually very good and was an insult to one of the greatest books written.

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No Name Face said,
September 8th, 2008 

this is not a good idea…

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Mike said,
September 8th, 2008 

If they want to do a movie based on Truth: Red, White & Black, about the Tuskegee like super soldier experiments on black people. He could play Isaiah Bradley.

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Rob said,
September 8th, 2008 

hey, I heard Will Smith may play all the characters, he’ll play Stark and Banner as well…kinda like Eddie Murphy does.

And he will play Superman too, when they do the DC Marvel crossover.

Its a rumour so its possible…a rumour I just started…

How rediculous would it be to see Smith playing mr. 1940s charmer and serious man Steve Rogers. I wouldn’t see any more Marvel flicks, lol

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greenknight333 said,
September 8th, 2008 

@ Nestor

“This is the comic I meant, Truth:: Red, White & Black, in which black soldiers are used as guinea pigs before they risk using the supersoldier serum on a white guy.”

I like that story arc and I’m not against this at all. I think if anyone can pull this off it’s Smith…I just don’t think the CAptain America translates well in this day and age anymore. Marvel killed off Steve Rogers because he was outdated and his idealism and blind patriotism just doesn’t exist anymore so for me that can open the door to anything.

I like the idea of Will Smith..

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greenknight333 said,
September 8th, 2008 

@ Nestor

“This is the comic I meant, Truth:: Red, White & Black, in which black soldiers are used as guinea pigs before they risk using the supersoldier serum on a white guy.”

I like that story arc and I’m not against this at all. I think if anyone can pull this off it’s Smith…I just don’t think the CAptain America translates well in this day and age anymore. Marvel killed off Steve Rogers because he was outdated and his idealism and blind patriotism just doesn’t exist anymore so for me that can open the door to anything.

I like the idea of Will Smith..

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greenknight333 said,
September 8th, 2008 

dagnamit double post

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September 8th, 2008 
@greenknight

Captain America can still work as a movie in “this day and age.” Aren’t WWII movies still being cranked out with stories of heroism every year (crap like “Redacted” notwithstanding)?

Vic

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Ken J said,
September 8th, 2008 

I don’t see anything wrong with patriotic characters. I mean if you live in a country, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with loving it. Hell, I feel if someone doesn’t like their country, we’re not a communism, they can leave when they want. I’m not saying I don’t want them here, but if THEY don’t want to be here, why suffer any longer when they are free to leave? I never understood that. My family came from China, they didn’t like living there, and instead of whining and complaining, they left. It’s the smart thing to do.

I would love to see a super patriotic Captain America movie. Killing off the character in the comics because it’s not popular to be patriotic anymore is pretty stupid in my opinion. We shouldn’t do things to be popular, we should do what we feel is right.

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Gary said,
September 9th, 2008 

It could work in a sequel where Steve Rogers discovers Smith was one of the first test subjects for the serum.
but for the first film ,
Give Steve Rogers the spotlight.
And for Gods sake,
Keep Brad Pitt away from This!

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Daniel Fenwick said,
September 9th, 2008 

I actually agree with you completely Ken J.

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Ken J said,
September 9th, 2008 

@ Gary

Oh yes, definitely, glad you brought up that point, if they try to cast Brad Pitt I will have an aneurism… lol

But what do you guys think of Thomas Jane as Cpt. America? He wasn’t a very good Punisher, but I think he looks kind of right for Cpt. America…

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Daniel Fenwick said,
September 9th, 2008 

I thought Tom Jane was an excellent Punisher, but I do think he would be a decent Cap as well. Eckhart wouldn’t be a bad choice either.

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Reverend said,
September 9th, 2008 

I’m going to reinsert my choice of Casper Van Dien on this one.

Rev

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Dave said,
September 9th, 2008 

As much as I don’t love 3/4s of what Mark Millar writes…… the ONE thing I thought he completely nailed in Marvel’s ULTIMATES was Cap’s character - the classic 40s guy, now a man out of time and adjusting to the new world he lives in. Plus the way he tweaked what the super soldier process did to Rogers. I always want the source material struck to as close as possible but they tweaked Stark’s origin as Iron Man and as the biggest IM fanboy, I freely admit it worked spectacularly.

They should base Cap on Millar’s idea of the character - and since they are going with the SL Jackson version of Fury, this could actually have a decent chance of happening.

And there is still room in our world for a true patriotic character

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BRAVEHEART said,
September 9th, 2008 

LUKE CAGE…YES…BUT BY THE LOOKS OF HANCOCK..HE’S ALREADY DONE THAT SORT OF THING!I FOR ONE DON’T THINK HE’D DO CAPT “A” JUSTICE,THIS MUST BE A WIND-UP STORY!
IT’S FUNNY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT 20/30 YEARS AGO,A LIST ACTORS CHASING AFTER SUPERHERO CHARACTERS OTHER THAN SUPERMAN & BATMAN.
IT’S A GOLDEN ERA FOR SUPERHEROS!

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the old man said,
September 9th, 2008 

Well, given that the super soldier serum was used in “The Incredible Hulk”, and no one here blinked, I don’t see why using it on a later day soldier I.E. Smith is such a big deal. Just write in the script that they finally get around to thawing out Rogers at the end of the movie. It could be interesting because you would have two different performances to compare against one another. Will Smith would be more use to how things are today as a modern soldier and Rogers could showcase the man out of time who despite his superior ability, has a handicap to overcome. Explore that in the “Avengers” movie. It’s another way to go, is all.

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Daniel Fenwick said,
September 10th, 2008 

I like the idea of Will Smith just playing Capt America more than your idea Old man.

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Roy N said,
September 11th, 2008 

Make hunter Parrish look another 5 - 10 yrs. older and you’ve got your Captain America/Grant Gardner.

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Roy N said,
September 11th, 2008 

Sorry, meant Steve Rogers and not Grant Gardner

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SIN187UM said,
October 9th, 2008 

Casper Van dDean ahs the look, but I dont think he is as athletic as Cap would be or has the acting chops to pull it off.

I would need to hear Will Smith say — Final Justcice!!! Before I can make my decision. I don’t think it’s a bad idea fromt he reading the posts for Will Smith to be Cap, but initially you should start off with the Cap that people know. It would Also work to have an African-American Cap, because well Dare Devil had Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin.

I do agree that racism would have denied this back in WWII, but I also feel that it would deny this now a days or there would be strong resistance to it (though few would openly admit - source the presidential election)

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Daniel said,
October 9th, 2008 

I don’t see the racism that you like to pretend is so bad these days Sin187um. I’m looking at the presidential election. You’re talking about the one where the Black man is ahead in the polls right? The one where we might end up with a Black President. So the last two elections a Republican has won. This election the Democrat is in the lead and oh yea he just happens to be black.

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Ken J said,
October 9th, 2008 

It’s called reverse racism, people are voting on the gimmick that he’s black, and he also has to thank ACORN for those numbers in the battleground states. I won’t be surprised if they try to block absentee ballots from the military like they did in 2000…

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SIN187UM said,
October 9th, 2008 

Not going to get into a debate about racism in america, what I am pointing out is the fact that it’s hush hush now a days but still alive and well, simple polls on the voters who refuse to vote for him based on color are confirmed can not be denied, and he is ahead because he makes sense to the people who are voting for him, not because of skin color as it seems to have been implied. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS REVERSE RACISM. Racism is racism period.

Final Justice + Stars and Stripes LvL 3.

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Daniel said,
October 9th, 2008 

I am not trying to claim that he is being voted for because of his color I’m saying that he is being voted on Despite his color.Meaning that maybe racism isn’t as bad as you would like to pretend it is. Also don’t give me that crap about Racism in America it’s all over and not only in America. Racism still exists and wlll always exist. Lets not kid out selves though it exists on both sides. There are blacks that hate whites and whites that hate blacks. It’s always gonna be there, but in todays world it’s on a much smaller scale than you seem to want to believe.

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SIN187UM said,
October 9th, 2008 

On another note I would have rather of seen Jake Gyllenhall try out for Cap rather than get the lead for PoP. That photo shot of him is terrible with that hair.

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SIN187UM said,
October 9th, 2008 

Rza can be the US agent.

That’s your point of view and you are entitled to it, but no one is pretending anything. Thank you.

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Daniel said,
October 9th, 2008 

It’s less of a point of view and mostly just obvious common sense. Take a look at the world. Yes there is racism, but there really isn’t any major evidence to show it on some imaginary grand scale. There is also just as much evidence that there are racist on all color sides. Though you seem to be the type that refuses that anyone, but White men can be racist. You probably think that anytime someone who isn’t white gets rejected from a job it’s a color thing and not qualifications.

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SIN187UM said,
October 9th, 2008 

LOL.

Is it really necessary to TRY and do a personal attack on me with this non sense and incorrectness about what I think? You said your piece I’ve said mine so drop it.

Will they be Introducing the Black Widow, does anyone know.

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Daniel said,
October 9th, 2008 

Of course you see a personal attack where there isn’t one it fits.

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SIN187UM said,
October 9th, 2008 

Daniel said,
October 9th, 2008

Though you seem to be the type that refuses that anyone, but White men can be racist. You probably think that anytime someone who isn’t white gets rejected from a job it’s a color thing and not qualifications.

Personal Attack Confirmed.

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Daniel said,
October 9th, 2008 

Sorry It dosn’t fit. That’s not at all a personal attack. Especialy since it’s not at all an attack. Maybe I struck a nerve, but I can assure you that it’s not an attack in any way. An observation or assumption at worst.

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SIN187UM said,
October 9th, 2008 

Personal and Incorrect Attack, assumption, observation or how ever you would like to spin it.

SHHHH.

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Daniel said,
October 9th, 2008 

I’m not at all surprised that you see it that way, but saddened that you would call that an attack. I’ll stop bothering you since you have such thin skin. Have a good day.

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SIN187UM said,
October 9th, 2008 

Thank you for your silence.

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October 9th, 2008 
All right, that’s enough you two.

Vic

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CHUCK said,
October 9th, 2008 

That would be an interesting movie if he was Captain America

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Roy N said,
October 10th, 2008 

Come on people. You are beating a dead cat. This has nothing to do with racism or the sort. Choosing Will Smith for the roll as Captain America is as relavant as choosing, let’s say; John Goodman, Jet Li or Carrot Top. Now that WB and Marvel are deciding to make super hero movies as they were intended, don’you think that they would choose actor that ressembles the original story?

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Ken J said,
October 10th, 2008 

Yah I agree. It comes down to the fact that we want the actor to LOOK like the character in the comics. Not wanting a black actor for the role is not racist, it’s just due to the fact that the character wasn’t black. Same thing if the comic character was black, we wouldn’t want a white person to play the role in the live action film.

What if they were to cast a white person as Al Simmons of Spawn, I’m sure people will be against that. I know I would. Would that be racist to not want a white person?

Or if there was an Asian comic book hero (I’m almost 100% sure there isn’t any in American comics) we wouldn’t want anyone but an Asian playing the role. Pretty simple logic.

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Daniel said,
October 11th, 2008 

To be fair look at Dragon Ball Z

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Ken J said,
October 11th, 2008 

Yah, while I’m not a fan of any anime, I think most people have an issue that they got a white person playing Goku instead of an asian kid. So SIN, are they racist for not wanting a white person?

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the old man said,
October 11th, 2008 

Um, less we forget Dean Cain is 1/4 Japanese and played Superman on “Lois and Clark” for years. I think he did a good job too. :)
The idea could be done and if done right be successful. However in the end none of us here control the purse strings. As my next door neighbor is fond of saying “it’s all about the money.”

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Ken J said,
October 11th, 2008 

I don’t think he played AS an Asian Clark Kent though. Even though the actor might have been, they probably picked him because he could pass for a “white” person with a baby face. If they would have went with someone that was full Japanese, meaning that’s what he was and there wasn’t a way to disguise it, and people were fine with it, then I would see the argument. But I wouldn’t be fine with it, not that it would matter much since I’m not a huge fan of Superman or that Lois and Clark show anyhow, but I would have thought it to be quite weird if they had done that.

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SIN187UM said,
October 23rd, 2008 

LOL

you guys make me laugh. point blank I DONT GIVE **** about who is where and replaced. Fact of the matter is SOME people want things to be a certain way and unfortunately that involves a character’s race. KEN J who are they?? Why are u even asking me some stupidness like that. My issue with DB is that it will suck because it looks like some Laguna Beach garbage.

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October 23rd, 2008 
@SIN187UM

Must you be so abrasive in your replies? I had my mouse hovering over the delete button on your comment but let it slide.

Vic

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Ken J said,
October 23rd, 2008 

Sin, there’s something called sticking to the source material. If you’re going to make a movie based on a book or comic, you don’t go changing everything around, unless you want it to fail. You’re quick to pull the race card, something tells me this applies to more than just with this specific issue, but it applies to ALL races, not just one. And that’s the point you just keep missing.

And the fact that you cannot carry a logical disagreement without turning to personal attacks really says a lot. You’re quick to point the fingers and accuse everyone around you of racism, but when is the last time you looked on yourself?

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the old man said,
October 24th, 2008 

Will you bent like wheat in the wind or having bent lay in the mud till you rot?

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