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Foopher says:

And i don’t know too many people who knew what went on in superman’s childhood, so sorry for thinking it wasn’t well known

Panda says:

“They already had silver Kryptonite… in season 5″

Awesome. I didn’t really start watching the show until last year so I missed that one. Thanks

Checked on Wiki, the one I was talking about was enchanted. Smallville’s silver kryptonite was little different, but same concept I guess in a non-humerous way

Foopher says:

yeah. episode 7, i believe, SPLINTER. check it out. it’s big fun

Panda says:

Sorry if I sounded like I was trying to start an argument, I just disagreee on a couple points is all. I agree with you on much of what you said (particularly about the Doomsday fight and Jimmy). I don’t see Smallville as an action series so the fact that the fight was short didn’t surprise or disappoint me. And I thought the Jimmy switch was clever on a certain level (as in I didn’t see it coming) and a nice way to bring his character back to canon.

I find that a lot of episodes people hate I kinda like because they are what I expect from the show (Stiletto, Legion). Hokey but entertaining if you don’t over analyze

Foopher says:

I understand what you were saying and agree with it, but that was just my first opinion and you helped fill me in on things and i thank you for that.

Also in my opinion i’m glad they didn’t make a batman show and made the movie instead. mainly because batman is alot cooler with a bigger budget. “Batman Begins” was sweet and “The Dark Knight” was amazing. But i’m also a big superman fan so that aids in my liking of smallville. haha

I liked LEGION because it introduced more characters, and it also showed that their future was different than what was being set up through the show. Lightning Lad says about how “one day you’ll be known as Su…” showing that he will indeed embrace his superman destiny. I also liked STILETTO because it was a very “super hero” episode. something i always love to see on smallville.

Foopher says:

But yes, i definitely didn’t see anything that happened in the finale coming, that’s why the more i think about it, the more i like it

Foopher says:

If we disagree on something then let’s talk about it and work it out so we are both on the same page. so what ever i said that you do disagree with, please let me know. after all this is a place of discussion.

Foopher says:

also, one of the first comments mentions that chloe grabs her stomach after clark leaves her. pregnant? maybe. who knows. i did notice that though, but didn’t think much of it.

Tricia says:

Foopher, I disagreed with your apparently negative opinion of Lana. I am a Kristin/Lana fan and enjoyed every minute she was on the show this season, knowing that it would soon be over for them. It was far-fetched, but the writers had to come up with a way to end it for them since they obviously couldn’t. You see, Tom and Kristin completely sold me on their loving relationship. For some reason, fans think that he could not and should not have EVER loved anyone other than Lois. Rediculous. I did not think that I could ever see Smallville’s Clark and Lois together until I saw Stiletto. I liked her saying that he needed a new nickname and him saying that he would let her work on it. Isn’t she the one who first calls him Superman? I’ve never read a comic book, so my info comes from the movies and other sources, including this one. Thanks.

ssf says:

ok- I just rewatched the season finale (third or fourth time) and listened to the last conversation between Chloe and Clark. She said “You were there today Clark. Why didn’t you come to me?” So there was not too much time between the funeral and the meeting in the Watchtower. She also asked how he survived the geothermal explosion- he said he did not know, he got out in time, but not fast enough to save anyone else.

I also noticed that in the funeral, Chloe does not even look at any of the JL, like they were not even there- very “Sixth Sense”-ish. I know, far-fetched, but come on, we are talking about a show based on a comic book.

Anyway, keeping my eye on Kryptonsite spoilers and excited for Season 9!

Louis D says:

SSF..I was about to say everything you said..i agree..i really think its an afterlife kinda scene, chloe didnt acknowelege any of the JL…clark doesnt know what happend to them..he didnt have time to save them, so he thinks but doesnt really know.. I’m still with what i said earlier that clark is dead because the guy from the future said he’d died if he didnt change the past..he didnt..so why would his future change?

and chloe grabbing her stomach.. i think thats was more of that sick feeling of being dumped by someone you gave everything (including your marrage)for.. cuz clark said goodbye for good..don’t think she’s pregnant

ssf says:

I just read that the show will be on Friday nights this upcoming season-
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Re: my last comment- I think it would be an interesting twist if the JL was not necessarily dead, but in a separate reality from Chloe (like that episode of Buffy where Willow exists in one dimension and the rest of the crew exists in another, and only Spike sees them both). If Lois went into the past to do a little time travel clean up, this could be a possibility.

Maybe Chloe simply meant they disappeared after the funeral (like they disbanded in “Odyssey”)- but that does not synch up with Clark’s comment that he was not “fast enough to save anyone else.”

Either way, I do not think (as some have written) that there were glaring plot holes in this episode. The more I watch it, the more I am convinced there were some very intentional loose ends and ambiguous scenes that were meant to intrigue and bring back the viewers for season 9- where more will be explained.

And flat out, as much as Chloe is an integral part of the show (and I have nothing against her, although she was very annoying in Season 2), she is not part of canon. I have read DC bought the rights to her character, but they have yet to use her in any of the comics.

If I remember correctly, from the beginning, whatever steps away from DC Smallville takes, they have to clean up and get back in line with the comics before the end of the show, which means one way or the other, no Chloe. They have started the clean up with Henry “not the real Jimmy” Olsen.

I suspect that the move to Friday nights is an indicator that season 9 is probably the last season. If that is the case, we will see more and more of the non-DC stuff retconned or scrubbed out.

Luke says:

Thanks ssf for clearing up that whole post-funeral scene. That’s really weird that none of us could remember it, but I rewatched it and you’re right. In which case I think it really boils down to only three options: 1) They went into hiding immediately after the funeral (or maybe even temporarily disbanded), like ssf suggested 2) Chloe is , for whatever reason, lying to Clark. I know she seems like she’s being completely sincere in that scene, but maybe she picked up on the fact that this isn’t the real Clark, or maybe Oliver swore her to secrecy or something. 3) There is indeed some sort of supernatural / metaphorical element at work. Personaly, I think this is less likely than the other two, but I suppose it is a possibility.

As far as the whole young Bruce Wayne series goes, it really is a weird situation. At first Foopher’s comment seems right on the money, I mean that’d make sense if WB wanted to save Batman’s origin story for a film instead. However, around the time Smallville WB was planning Batman and Superman origin films (the latter was tentiatively called Superman Flyby and was eventually scrapped in favor of Superman Returns). So apparently the origin film wasn’t the issue. I think what it really comes down to, is that the WB, for whatever strange reason, is fine with simultaneous live-action film and TV versions of Superman but not Batman. In fact, the Smallville producers have stated in interviews before that they’d like to include Bruce Wayne in the series, but they’ve been flat out told by the studio that they can’t (there have been rumors that they’ve been told the same thing about Green Lantern and Wonder Woman but I haven’t seen anything solid yet that back it up).

Foopher says:

Tricia, i like Kristen Kreuk, i just don’t really like where the character of lana is going. i guess that’s just my opinion.

I didn’t really think chloe was pregnant either, just throwing that possibility out there.

But i could’ve sworn that Black Canary puts her hand on chloe’s back as they start to walk away. maybe i just remember it wrong. so i think chloe’s just too sad to acknowelege anyone

Foopher says:

and yes lois is the one who calls him superman

Foopher says:

i think i would like a batman/bruce wayne show, but i think it would only be interesting for the first, maybe second, season. after that it would get boring and the plot would lack.

or they would make it really sweet and it would be the best show ever. i really don’t know. haha. oh well.

something about doomsday and where he is now: (i’ve said this before but oh well) in the beginning of the episode when chloe and davis are laying on the car, davis is telling her a story about (i think they were greek gods or whatever) people, and how the one had to “LIVE UNDERGROUND”. those words stuck out to me. i think that was a clue by the writers that doomsday isn’t dead; he’s just trapped underground, and won’t break out until clark’s superman (like he did in the comics).

i read someone’s post a couple weeks ago and he/she said that in the comics, doomsday comes out of the ground with all these pipes and stuff all over him. if that’s so, then the writers put doomsday right where he needs to be.

also, something i just thought of, i was reading the posts that the JL are in a “diffrent reality” and “chloe was lying to clark”. i just thought; remember when chloe puts the black kryptonite on davis? there were many people in the room with him when it effected him. What if, (a big what if) everyone in the room was effected by it and now they all have doubles running around somewhere? if that’s the case then maybe it wasn’t the same chloe (and JL) at the funeral than in the watchtower. (i know chloe was the only one in the watchtower). the chloe and JL at the funeral could be the real ones, and the chloe in the watchtower could be a “lying” imposter.

then again, maybe not. i was just thinking about what was going on there and went through a couple of ideas.

and yes, the “pot holes” are there for a reason. it was a season finale. it’s supposed to be full of unanswered questions so that you watch the next season.

I do hope they bring back Lana to clear up her story though. I don’t like the idea of having a krypto-lana running around somewhere.

as for the clark/lana romance; as much as i would love to see clark falling for lois (which was starting to happen in “BRIDE”, but was ruined by, who else, haha, ooooooh lana), i do think it’s good for clark to have a strong relationship before so that when he does start to like lois, he really thinks about how he feels and doesn’t want to make the same mistake again, and in turn finds out that he really is in love with lois. and then lois will reject him and it’ll get a laugh, haha.

Blaze says:

I know you said what if but the black kryptonite and all other kryptonite only effects other Kryptonians

Louis D says:

About doomsday living underground…Foopher..Is that the Geothermal thing was said to be 1 mile underground…In the Superman/Doomsday cartoon movie.. they found doomsday 1 mile underground.

Also the question of where, when lois went to.. i was thinking that she is in the future where the Legion is waiting for doomsday..cuz how else would clark send doomsday to that point unless the ring was programed to go to that exact point. so maybe they will think its doomsday an beat the crap outta lois..just a thought

Foopher says:

“black kryptonite and all other kryptonite only effects other Kryptonians”: meteor freaks, that’s green kryptonite effecting humans. in season 4 black kryptonite effects lex and makes a good and bad him.

Louis D: so are you saying i was right? or am i reading that wrong? haha

and about lois getting beaten up; i like it muhahaha

Louis D says:

foopher: I’m not sure. it makes sense but overall i’m thinking clark is dead, cuz what i said in earlier posts about the guy from the future saying he would die unless he changed the past…cuz he made doomsday invincible with the green kryptonite…n since clark never changed that i dont see how he changed his fate of being killed

so just saying the 1 mile underground thing lined up with the only version of superman/Doomsday i know of.

Foopher says:

Louis D, i see what you mean. i don’t really know what to think about the whole clark thing. it’s got me all confused and i just want to watch the next season to know what the fooph is going on. haha

but what you’re saying does make sense

Foopher says:

and your theory of lois being in the future with the legion; i think you might be right. it was meant to send doomsday to the future.

at first i thought the last place she would be was the future, but that’s an interesting point

Foopher says:

i have no idea what to think about what happened to clark. but, Louis D, you’re right. clark didn’t change anything in the past so not sure what’s going on there. i just want to see the next season and get some answers. the suspense is killing me!!!

and lois; the last place i thought she’d be was the future. but after your post about how the ring was meant to send doomsday to the future, i’m starting to think maybe she is there. interesting points

Foopher says:

i don’t know what to think about the whole clark situation. i just want season 9 to come so i can get some answers. the suspense is killing me!!! i mean he very well could be dead (it’s happened to people on the show before), but i’d like to think that he’s not. But yeah, doomsday’s not dead; he’s trapped, trying to get out.

and to the point of lois being in the future because that’s where clark was told to send doomsday, i like it. at first, the last place i thought she would be was the future, but now i’m thinking otherwise. interesting points.

and you’re right about clark not changing the past… so it’s whatever. haha

SV-Addict says:

Actually, when Lois put on the ring and disappeared, that somewhat annoyed me. Clark was supposed to put on the ring to send DOOMSDAY to the future, not himself. So why did it send Lois?? I seriously doubt anyone fighting Doomsday could be holding him in one hand and put a ring on with the other… so I just don’t get it.

Nor do I believe Clark was supposed to get on a knee and propose to Doomsday to make him put the ring on himself. Or the writing *could* be that weak… not sure at this point.

Foopher says:

gee you’re like constant downer, huh?

Foopher says:

it also showed in the episode (if you were watching) clark super speeds up to doomsday to save the little girl. showing that clark has the ability to run up to doomsday and do stuff, like maybe slip a ring on him. OH MY GOD look at that

Meh – that feels weak.

DD would be as fast as Clark and there’s no real speed advantage. It’s equal terms.

B

Foopher says:

but he could still get him by surprise (much like how he took the girl from his hand)

Louis D says:

alright..i have someone in my corner..haha

just wanted to comment on the ring thing…to put this in perspecive..clark and DD are both kryptonian..but DD has armor and brass Knuckles(in a way) if i was fighting just another guy i think i could get a ring a third of the way on his finger…(that’s all it took Lois)

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