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I was the moderator at the UFO Casebook forum at the time so every new board started was started by me. Every post posted was read by me no matter who wrote it as well as pros and cons. Also, I was a member of OMF too and every single drone post in there was also read by me. This took place before (not after) the Starfire Tor words were laid down.

Right off the bat the site says, “PART I: June and July 2007″ when the drones started in early May (technically late April). Just like XBox, Bungi and other gamers were working it, Starfire Tor was working it too.

If you really don’t believe that, then go to these next two locations. This is where the conversations all began and where everyone got their ideas from – both believers and debunkers alike. My screen name was oljack666 at the time.

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=drone

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1

Like I said previously, you wouldn’t be able to get a word in edgewise in ATS if it were on the drones so you shouldn’t expect to see anything but debunker material in there, which is all you’re accustomed to in there anyway.

Re: Starfire Tor web page. Nobody solved anything yet. Where did you get that idea? The website on Starfire Tor is aftermath is all. Nothing new there since everyone posted about the drones here, there and everywhere. The only two places that were thick with the drones from their inception (May 3, 2007) were the UFO Casebook & Open Minds Forum. Since then, an off-shoot from the Open Minds forum created the Drone Research Team who are still currently working on the drone issue. They’re the ones that hired the private investigators. More recently they found the Capitola telephone pole and know where Raj’s in-laws home is. You should check out the DRT because there is absolutely nobody on the Internet that knows more than they do, not ATS certainly since they’re more apt to do away with a dronie somehow.

Case in point, the drone issue is still an issue and there has been no closure. Your answer to that Starfire site was on page two where it’s stated, “Whitley Striber gave me”. He didn’t come into the drone picture until well after it began and only knows what Linda Moulton-Howe from Earthfiles fed him. That’s a bad dinner. Here’s the DRT’s address.
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php
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Your response has no logic at all. You seem only wanting to dismiss actual research history as if the 2007 Starfire Tor report means nothing with value. The points you make don’t accurately describe anything except maybe some discussion groups did their best to investigate the aerial drone claims. If you are interested in the truth about the aerial drone hoax instead of the spin you’re trying to put on Starfire Tor’s excellent and timely report then I’d think you’d be pleased to discover an important report that seems to have passed you by. There’s no shame in that and there shouldn’t be feelings of competition or trying to put it down with a spin that doesn’t work with facts. Instead why not use the results Starfire Tor provided and go from there. Of course if your agenda has darker corners then my straight forward reply will have no effect on you. The aerial drone hoax has fed many people’s agendas and there are some who don’t want the hoax outed.

That is a great phrase!

Case in point, the drone issue is still an issue and there has been no closure. Your answer to that Starfire site was on page two where it’s stated, “Whitley Striber gave me”. He didn’t come into the drone picture until well after it began and only knows what Linda Moulton-Howe from Earthfiles fed him. That’s a bad dinner. Here’s the DRT’s address.
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php

You can read Starfire Tor’s aerial drone report here
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones.htm

Below is the ATS post where Starfire Tor’s report is being discussed in late 2008 and questions are being asked about Whitley Strieber’s strange behavior.

Here’s the link to my post so you can get the whole view of what was being said.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=289007&page=420#pid6007515

ATS post:
I’m on Starfire Tor’s list and joined after hearing her interviews on unknowncountry.

Starfire Tor absolutely published her aerial drone mystery report on her web site in 2007. Starfire Tor published the report in 2 parts. The first part was in mid or early 2007 and the second was in October or November 2007. Don’t know how anyone here missed it but it’s been on her website since she published it in 2007.

I’ve read her published aerial drone investigation and IMO it’s the best out there. The report shows you how she did the research and all the things she followed until getting to the Alienware viral marketing of their Area 51 laptops. If everybody did investigations of the calibur of Starfire Tor’s then wewould have much less hoaxes on the net.

Starfire Tor never posted her thoughts on her list about why Strieber went so wrong with his pushing a hoax. Like was written here her report says that Strieber asked her opinion. I don’t know whether Starfire Tor’s superior investigation caused Strieber to outlaw her from unknowncountry. Maybe you don’t know that Starfire Tor’s been away on some investigation for more than a year and she only came back on her list explaining this. Her being off on an important investigaion might be why she hasn’t been on Striber’s show.

Now that she’s back I’m waiting to see if she goes on Strieber’s show again and if the topic will be her breaking the news about the aerial drones being a viral marketing promotion for Alienware. Starfire Tor has the proof on her web site. The best thing Strieber can do is respect Starfire Tor’s superior report and let himself change his tune and stop promoting the hoax as being real. Maybe Starfire Tor will be back on his show but it won’t be about the aerial drones.

Starfire Tor has proven to be a great researcher on the side of truth. I liked the way she started the report by explaining that she’s a believer in UFO and like things being real, and that hoaxes heap a big hurt on UFO researchers that promote real cases and not hoaxes. It shows she’s got brains and integrity and is someone to be listened to.

I think Strieber is a very smart man who’s had real encounters. It can’t be disproved. I don’t see how he could have missed that the aerial drone photos were faked. He does research and in the film business and could ask experts to look at the photos like Starfire Tor did. Starfire Tor doesn’t say that Strieber had anything to do with making up the hoax but I think that’s because the evidence led to Alienware and their contest.

Linda M Howe acts like someone who promotes whatever she thinks will get her attention and then money. I think that’s what she did with the aerial drone hoax. Maybe she was honest when she started with animal mutilations but after that she became something like a snake oil salesman IMO. Strieber has fame and money and deals. He doesn’t need to promote a hoax to earn a living. so why did he do it? He’s smarter than that. Did he think his fans would follow him blindly? Why? His aerial drone promotions make no sense to me. I hope Starfire Tor gets a radio show.

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What is the difference I would like to know.

And the June 20 interview, pretty much tells me that you knew beforehand about the drone craft, which Isaac, explained six days later. So all these completions before the 26, tells us fore knowledge. It was easy to reach him Josh, that nice Lady at Earthfiles had all the contact numbers, and that Attorney, looking after the interests as he said.. at the site put up within 7 hours would have been glad to help.
Did Josh even try?
My My,
Isn’t it obvious its his?
Or is our Josh really playing the role of Jacob, who by trickery, stole his starving twin brother Esaus’s birthright.
I hope not.
I am inclined that its Josh’s all along ..you can’t steal whats aleady yours.

http://www.realityuncovered.net/ufology/articles/memewars.php

“The only trouble with the commentary is that it is far too well sculpted for someone who claims he is not a writer. “Isaac” takes his time, unfolds the story in skilled fictional terms, frequently hesitating in relaxed professional narrative style. He uses rhetoric, self-questioning, and complex irony. The voice is warm, assured, and very human as if he is used to narrating with a well-modulated voice at just the right distance before a studio microphone. Despite the protestations of innocence, this is well-rehearsed piece has a detectable (and betraying) polish. It could be done as straight Radio talks-feature without any changes.”

I ran across this delightful display of moonwalking by Josh when asked about the writers strike back in November of 2007 and had that first episode been locked in.
http://tv.ign.com/articles/835/835266p1.html josh well…hehehe
But editing is writing and it’s another way to make your vision known. It’s very frustrating for me not to be there. I have the choice. I can be there per my contract, but to me everything comes from writing and I just can’t imagine walking past writers who aren’t getting paid in order to pick up my producing paycheck. That just seems immoral.

it’s very painful. This is my first show and I usually have my hands in every little thing and that’s how I like it. It’s a difficult decision for any showrunner, because they’re very protective of their material. They want to keep the work going for their crews. Those are our second families. It’s challenging, but I just made a conscious choice that I’m a writer first and always and I wouldn’t have my executive producer job if I wasn’t a writer. ”

I am sure Isaac feels the same way with his material.

Then we go back to June 20, 2007, 6 days before the famous ET gate release of material on the net by Isaac..where Isaac..I mean Josh discusses what to expect on that Chronicle trailer..

http://tv.ign.com/articles/798/798086p1.html here he is on June 2007 stating thee will be a skynet component, which we know was that drone on steroids and plummage at the end.

“There will be Terminators. There will sometimes be pursuit. There will be Terminators in a lot of it, and there’s also a Skynet component to the show.”

Hmmm did he already have a revelation before Isaac came on?

Now to re emphasize Brucsimms point, as well as mine, and several other sites, but which most devotees here know very well is you just don’t take someone elses script posted at dedicated website, and it does read like a script, ….change a name, barely modify the craft..and incorporate it into your show without even a credit acknowledgement..unless its possibly your to begin with by pen in hand or by purchase.

Lets go back farther shall we? So for those unfamiliar..get a feel how iseas and stories not ones own..are dealt with in most ethical movie businesses..
.. an episode of Star Trek..shot Ironically , in that same Dulce AirPark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_(TOS_episode)
“when using a similar story star trek
Scroll down to Production
According to an account by Herbert Solow in the book “Inside Star Trek, The Real Story”[1], the relation to Brown’s story may have been an unconscious inspiration. After Coon had written what he thought was an original script, Desilu’s research department noted the similarity. It was therefore agreed that Desilu’s Business Affarirs office would call Brown and offer a fair price for the story, before it was shot and broadcast. Brown agreed without knowing that the story had already been written.” unquote

So we know that a writer of Joshs caliber, the Showrunner, The man in charge, with a fundamentalist persective, on writers rights.. would never violate a writers code, the episodes up to four had already been done and in post production by the time of writers strike..Thanks to that interviewers question and Joshs almost convoluted answer.. at IGN..
And we know that the at least one of skynet craft he alluded to on June 20, 2007 is imo, that craft we saw recently on the end scene..of chronicles..

I give more credibility to daytime sightings, although even then you wonder why they don’t simply wait until nighttime to spy on us if that is their objective. I personally think we would not see a real UFO unless they WANT to be seen…

I’ve never seen a website that seems dedicated to free speech, have so many draconian restrictions on commenting and comments…

I just confirmed that most exterior shots (Eileen’s trailer, the factory/warehouse Sarah finds and the Desert Pie Shop) were indeed filmed at Aqua Dulce Airport in Los Angeles County.

Your intrepid Screen Rant crew hard at work for you!

And that in turn may have been possible related to this..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229

If you want to sort out some of the crap..then stop by Nuforc, if you haven’t already.. that has catalogued witness sightings going back before Roswell.
Just graphing the numbers of reports in a spreadsheet by decade has interesting results.

I’m not here arguing are they real or not
I know as RK said..its a hoax ..I am merely studying the science and art of deception and illusion, and who some of our dream weavers or circus tent masters may be

Thats all.