The mid season finale of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (TSCC) threw me something to chew on Monday night that I was surprised to see. Was TSCC yet one more project that was bitten by the writers strike? When the heck are we gonna stop seeing ramifications from that event? Cripes!
Confused? Good… Keep reading my Tarantino-ish outline of this event.
In Monday night’s episode, Sarah is chasing her “three dots” clue and ends up going to a UFO convention. There, she meets a “woman” who has pictures plastered all over “her” home’s walls. The interesting thing about that is that I recognized those pictures and said, “Hey! I know those pictures! Those are the California Drones that Raji posted in 2007!” Yes, I’m a bit of a UFO non-disbeliever with a freaky memory!
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Flashback – Mid 2007:
An internet user by the name of raji (Other surmised aliases: raji1977, Rajinder Satyanarayana) has laid claim to not only observing a UFO, but taking high quality pictures of the thing as it went over himself and some power lines. The pictures were taken in a town called Capitola, CA. which isn’t that far from where I live, and about 3 miles South of Santa Cruz, CA.. The pictures were incredibly detailed, well focused and if this wasn’t proof… well then, what is?
Curious item #1: The photographs were put out on Craigslist of all places. Not a UFO forum, but a public, generic website. After posting the images, “Raji” disappeared. After that, a few other folks posted images of their own of similar craft that have been spotted around CA. These craft have been dubbed the California Drones.
Background event to keep in mind: The writers strike started on November 5, 2007 and ended on February 12, 2008.
January, 2008:
A woman from London contacted a couple of private investigators to try and locate this Raji person. As their quest proceeded, they started working from the presumption that if they found the telephone poles, they might find the area where this “Raji” lives. I don’t buy that. Why? If I took the pics in Capitola, I would have been passing through. I live in Menlo Park, on the other side of the mountain in the Bay Area. I’ll call this Curious item #2.
The two investigators either found or were contacted by a man named Isaac who claimed that he was part of a top-secret government program in Palo Alto, CA – which devised commercial technology from extraterrestrial artifacts confiscated by U.S. scientists. (I guess Isaac has seen Men In Black.) More importantly, he knew about the craft. (Cue the X-Files music please!)
It’s a great story on the LA Times website, but it sure did not say much. There’s even YouTube footage of a Fox news program called America’s Newsroom, which interviewed the two PI’s. Yep, it’s a real program. The PI’s put together a web page on their site for their investigation: TK Davis Investigations.
MORE RECENT DAYS:
Despite the fact that I do believe, (just not sure in what), a lot of folk on the internet make a hell of a lot of conjecture about things. They pull facts and conjecture from every direction, pile them in a blender that’s set to stun and turn it on without the lid! I say that because stunned is what I got.
There are so many ideas out there about these “California Drones” that it gets very confusing. I filtered through literally hundreds of images, sites and conjectures to the point of stumbling through the day cross-eyed and even ending up at one of my own sites where I wrote an article about how UFO’s capture our imaginations. From sites debunking the UFO, to sites supporting it, I toiled. Some sites had well presented and lengthy documentation. Other sites had forums with over 100+ pages of premises, conjectures and interpersonal angst.
The Drone Research Team put together some of the original images that raji posted on Craigslist and has a collection of other images from other “witnesses.” That “Isaac” fella put together a pretty comprehensive collection of information about this classified work and has some incredibly detailed images, scans, etc… which I will call Curious item #3! The sites are Isaaccaret.com and a second supporting site. The interesting (should I say Curious Item #4?) is that the Isaaccaret site has a page with the title/name of “Replicant.” Hmm.
I’ve done all this for you, the Screen Rant readers, at the risk of being abducted by government conspirators and the greys. Not to mention I was tremendously curious!
TODAY:
Today I’m exhausted from chasing my own tail!!
The end of Sarah Connor Chronicles‘ episode had Sarah laying on the ground stunned, looking up at what looked like a UFO coming down to say hi to our dazed heroine. That’s when I said, HAH! Scared the crap out of my wife. But the craft in the end scene was a combined derivative of the California Drones with identical details.
After some I.P. forensic sleuthing, I can’t add any info about who may own the websites. I’ve left messages with FOX Networks but they’re busy and I haven’t heard back from them. But here’s what I believe to be the conjoined answer to both entities, the CA Drones, Sarah’s three dots and her hovering drone in the final scenes of the mid-season finale:
FOX Networks is run by aliens!
OR
They were getting completely behind their product, The Sarah Connor Chronicles, by ramping up a viral advertising campaign that would draw the public into their show. With the right public momentum, the gimmick would have netted them some serious press coverage and ratings. But the project got snuffed when the writers’ strike hit. That pushed back the airing date of this mid-season finale episode, and Fox moved on. In their wake, they forgot to let on about it and left the hundreds of UFO-ologists spinning up hundreds of thousands of hours combing over the Drones evidence and tossing out their conjectures.
Below, I present the pictures for your review… To all the folks who dropped many an hour into this phenom, I do apologize, but I think you were taken by a pretty cool marketing scheme.
One of the many images posted by Raji in 2007
Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles Screen Shot: Notice the Drone poster.
Notice the Drone image over a telephone pole.
Oh dear, here they come Sarah!
Notice the appendages changed. Moving.
Does the CA Drone bear any similarities?
Font screen shot from image from isaaccaret.com
A: Notice the tail section similarities
B: The tri-segmented extended arms
C: The spikey things.
My question to you:
Did Fox perpetrate the viral ad gone south, or did they take advantage of something that is out in the public domain and made it their own, risking possible legal issues?
I say the former.
The prosecution rests!
UPDATE 12/24/08: The prosecution would appear to have been wrong! I’ve been in communication with Josh Friedman, the Executive Producer and creator of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and it would seem that the mysteries of the California Drones will continue to be a mystery for the time being. Josh wrote the following to me:
Bruce–
The drone/CARET materials are not viral marketing for our show. Fox knows nothing about them. I’ve been interested in the drone images for some time and, as I am wont to do, found a way to work areas of interest into the show. Our drone image at the end is a kissing cousin of the others but is of our own design. I don’t want anyone out there who chooses to believe in the drone sightings to feel in any way that their inclusion in TSCC invalidates their point of view. Likewise, any one who believes they are a hoax should not use their inclusion in the show as confirmation of that theory. Simply something in the zeitgeist that I was (and still am) fascinated by. Whether this settles the issue or only serves to incite others who want to use it for their own ends is beyond my control.Josh Friedman
Executive Producer, Creator, TSCC
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Jeff: Good news for ya bud
UPDATE TO THE ARTICLE
I’ve updated the article with some new information from FOX. Josh Friedman sent me a note and I’ve included his note at the end of the article.
In short: Josh incorporated the Drone images into the show. The drone/CARET materials are not viral marketing for the show.
In March 2008 I e-mailed Linda Moulton Howe regarding ‘Chads Craft’ and how I had seen the identical craft graphic used on either the Discovery Channel or Sci-fi channel on a special back in May of 2007. The program was about future space explorations, etc.
My information was dismissed by Ms. Howe.
Now the same graphic with variations turns up on this television movie the ‘Sarah Connor Chronicals’.
Can we all agree now that this/these drones are fake and not to be taken seriously!
I knew it!!
I don’t have any problem with a movie or TV show using historical events in the story line. The thing about the X Files that disappoints me is that they didn’t just use real events but distorted them just enough to mislead people who might find the real events interesting and want to follow up on them. It’s like a lazy person’s attempt at having it both ways. If you want to use real events, then fine, use them. If you are going to use fictional events, then expend the brain power to make up your own and don’t add to the confusion. There is plenty of confusion without lazy writers making more. In fact, there are more than a few conspiracy buffs who are sure the whole reason such things are done is to obscure the real story. I am not one of them.
Of course, if one looks at how something like physics is treated by show biz, I guess we should be happy the X Files just mangled the real sightings a little bit!
Be sure and watch the “Raw Footage” video. Two to four miles in diameter:
http://www.edgrimsley.com
that was a very respectful response by the FOX exec… almost too respectful. still, love the show.
Well I want my cake and I want to eat it too.
The Notorious Bettie Page completely obliterated the facts of Bettie Pages’ life style! It pissed me off, but at least people went to see it and hopefully they did a little more research themselves. Would I have lambasted anyone else who loved it…NO!. I would have simply clairified the inaccuracies.
It happens time and time again that the “truth” of a story is not always portrayed. You have to be glad that the story is out! Its up to people who care to investigate it further! I would hate it if you limited my viewing pleasure because of your soap-box.
Should we only make movies about aliens based on fact? Should we only show never seen before designs for UFO’s because flying saucers have been seen and photographed and people could be confused? You worry about this somehow giving the wrong impression ufology, but its this very attitude that causes the problem. It seems to me your burden is MUCH bigger than a FOX television show.
Wow, Jess, I don’t know how you got that from my comments. Sorry to offend you by criticizing a TV show. Television is notorious for treating the UFO subject badly, and I am only one of many who take the industry to task for it.
The UFO literature is fascinating, much more intriguing and full of surprises than the caricature presented by television. I urge anyone who is interested to read books and articles written by competent researchers. It’s amazing.
Anyone here ever read the Dulce Book?
Raji was a graphic design student practicing a rotoscoping technique.
Anyone here ever read the Dulce Book?
Oh ya, I’ve read about the base and the battles that went on there and have researched the UFO phenomena since 1963 when I saw I believe the disk that knocked the power out for most of eastern Canada and New york state. It was spied by people at Niagara Falls where they discovered eventualy the source of the outage. I lived north of Toronto then and was a young teen and saw with two freinds a disk streaking south toward the falls just prior to the power failure.It was only a few hundred feet off the ground and moving a few thousand miles an hour. My mind opened up that night and I have had 5 different sightings and a number of other anomalous experiences with light spheres at very distrurbing close range and all I can say to the nonbelievers is “You anit seen nothin yet” but you will my freinds,You will. What is missing in the lives of the nonbelievers is an educated opinion by and large as there is so much evidence around the subject that its only for lack of looking that they dont see anything. It is also quite apparent that a mind turned off to the idea might not see whats staring them right in the face. Study Quantum Physics and get a grip. We have always been in a galactic neighbourhood with myriad lifeforms living on countless planets in a cosmos that has no end, as according to telepathic contacts by Off Worlders there are over 150,000,000,000(billion) life suporting planets in this galaxy alone, and countless galaxies. We are also informed by the Galactics that this planet is a choice piece of realestate that is fought over by higher frequency civilizations and we are at this time being protected by the original societies who planted us here. Thats right, we are a colony of aliens, all of us.They say most inhabited planets are seeded. Once you get beyond the disinformation campaigns and can accept that life in the universe is common and not special to this world alone you will find that there is a historic story line to whats happened to us here and it has been given to those who are seeking the answers. Seek and you will find but if your mind is closed you will ignor the truth until the uncloaking of ‘First Contact’ which will shock the hell out of the unbelieving masses when it happens and VERY soon.The struggle of our former negative ET controlers with the Galactic Federation of Light who has sealed off this solar system from negative ET groups, is over and the moment fast approaches when the Scalar weapons and other hightech starwars technology will be turned off allowing a ceremoneous ‘First Contact’.
The discusions will be dramaticaly different I would wager and all the true believers will get the last laff.
It is too much to disscus the ramifications why there is a coverup and why the ET groups are so secretive but we will know shortly as I said and one might guess that the technologies expressed in our encounters obviously do away with oil and wheeled autos and the whole damn infratructure that the Illuminati have imposed on us as our ‘Modern World’. I could go on and on but this isnt the time or place. Keep your eyes to the skys and dont shoot if they feel good to you. By all means if they feel dreadfull blast the buggers.
P.S. The American govnmt has its own real star fleet overseen by the US Navy.
Reasearch and study untill the day they land en mass and then we will be vindicated and the education will surely begin.
One prob Ron is that you can never trust an Alien. The word trust has no meaning to them. They will use your human customs against you.
Also most of the craft you have seen is prob US. The only time your likey to see alien craft is right before abduction or when the craft is malfuntioning.
Never trust a Gray.
Lets’s put our propeller caps on, Does anyone know exactly when the trailer episode with the pix of the craft was shot , where Sarah and Abraham the transvestite were talking?.
I know episodes are not necessarily shot in order, but it would seem that one was easy and would have been one of the earliest. Most of this was shot in Nevada, and then Burbank Warners I understand.
These shows offer a little bit for everyone don’t they? He was just soooo fabulous .:)
Huh. That’s a Delta-VX Lifter. I recognize this technology. The spars are made of carbon fibre and articulate. The central wires in the hub are tungsten. It’s using induction to recharge it’s it’s ultra-caps, that’s why it’s nuzzling the transformer. I’ll bet the whole device weighs maybe 250 grams.
And you guy’s from spook-ville need to get over your denial complex. How many sightings do think the HTV-3X and the D-21 caused, not to mention our TR-3 “black triangle”.
“Articulating axial Antennea”. AxA.
The guy who told me about that also said that back in WW2, the lead bombers in the B-24 squadrons at night had these big-ass magnetrons in their noses to fly by radar. I’m not talking solid state, I’m talking a hunk of metal: a cavitar directly plugged into the magneto of a 1,300 horsepower radial engine. It put out so much EMF that the crews all ended up “floaters” in their eyes, and something like 80% of night-mission bomber crews ended up with cateracts in their eyes.
He told me that back when people where arguing about cell phone radiation. Because the government has known since WW2 that microwave radiation induces pre-cancerous states in living cells by unleashing rapid replication in damaged cells.
Thats all well and good and fascinating zol, But I asked a TV question, not debating whether Aliens , God or unicorns, cell phone radiation, or is Obama the Manchurian candidate. I will do is just direct it to those who know. Hopefully Bruce to answer if he happens to know.
Thanx
and
Merry Xmas.
I’ve seen the dragonfly drone craft with my own eyes, so I know it’s not a “viral” campaign to some dumb television series. Yes, there are hoaxes out there, and yes science fiction writers and producers “steal” everything and anything that’s part of vintage and current ufo lore, from these aerial drone crafts to elements from the saga of Dan Burisch. However, these drones are very real and otherworldly. And being in their presence is an experience I’ll never forget.
If “getting a life” involves kids that wake me up at 5:30 am,,,
No thanks. Doctor dre,,,
Vic did you know that Screen Rant is accessible by kids playing around with a keyboard? Hmmm??
@David Wells, tell us more at droneteam.com
the article was written very good, but i’m not sure what to believe after reading it. i’m dazzeled to say the least !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrfG2r4bTOc&feature=channel_page
goldieshouse.piczo.com
Merry Christmas all,
I read something when this craft was first revealed to the world, from someone who was involved in back engineering ET technology and he recognized the markings illustrated on the exterior. He said that the technology was something the Military was testing and that the markings were its form of propulsion and gave it the ability to cloak itself. As it was experimental they were not totaly in control of it and it was actualy uncloaking off and on out of their control. I dont recall where I got this from but it reminds me of something else I read years ago about an Extraterrestrial form of comunication whereby on touching a glyph the toucher was catapulted into a sort of telepathic experience somehow built into the picture. It was a form of information storage accessed through touch. As this was a long time ago I dont recall the book but it fits in with the fact that sensitives can touch an object and feel the history of it. This points to the idea that symbols represent larger overlighting realities that they provide access to that can be used somehow as a source of power. Very interesting at any rate. We certainly are in desparate need of transparency and accountability in our world as these technologies are not being used in our best interests and those controling them have only egocentric selfish aims that threaten the planets very survival. Because forums like this one are now the norm I believe that we can overcome our darker natures through education and transparency and full disclosure and that this is very close to manifesting. Theres more of us than there are of them and we will insist upon this one way or the other within our lifetimes.G’day eh!
dre: You are seriously, too funny. I’d keep a closer eye on your little ones… they may know more than you think if they’re hitting up movie sites for you.
sys_Config: I’m not sure where they might have filmed things. They sometimes film things in one place and call it another. Knight Rider did that a lot. They showed the same stretch of road from different angles and called or referenced it differently. (I used to fish off that road!!)
In one scene in SCC, I recognized what “looked” like aqua dulce airport. (I used to fly there a lot. They had good place for hamburgers and pie!)
Not sure about the rest.
They film a lot of SCC interior shots and even some exterior shots at WB studios Burbank.
Thanx 790, thats what I thought..Warners..Josh said said Fox knew nothing, even though they covered it news wise..He is technically correct..not Fox.but…Warners.
I would never ever expect him to admit that even if he did know..that he helped in flim flam. Fox hasn’t worked with Alienware, but Warner in past films like superman has.
He never says neither fox nor any of “us” including warners..just that fox didn’t. He left it quite open.
Alienware said they didnt either..it was just impulsive shoplifting until a second email..(they never go public) disallowed another computer retailer from using the designs..as it was covered under intellectual property rights.
But fox did cover it as news so its hard for me to imagine they didnt know anything..how disingenuous can they get..we part of their target audience all knew and they didn’t ..
I would tell Josh to stuff it on that ..
But thats just ole me.
I find it interesting that he uses the word “zeitgeist” in his comments. It isn’t a word used very often among those in english-speaking countries. It seemed to me to be a clever plug and reference to that internet video that everyone is talking about, which goes by the same name. Since this series has started, I am seeing veiled references to many ideas going around the web concerning real-world conspiracies, politics, government, war, and banking, and they come too often to merely be coincidence. Google Video: “Zeitgeist”
David Wells,
(and Bruce part way down)
Who are you? Give us a reason to accept what you say as valid. How do we know you are not a ‘poser’ or ‘mindgamer’ or connected with the original hoaxers?
Bruce, I am inclined to agree that the origins of the drone pics may have been someone’s clever marketing scheme. Now there are multiple witnesses that would make it appear they are too disparate to have formulated their own hoax or conspiracy. However, a clever script writer/marketer could have foreseen just that analysis and created these other witness characters in order to create the feeling of truth in the overall story. None of them have come forward for face to face interviews. I feel there are many holes in that story so I remain skeptical of any reality in it beyond this working hypothesis.
In the meantime we have a very interesting, on going, social experiment in testing our skills at truth identification and evidence verification vs dogmatic views and off the wall opinions. Thanks for your detective efforts. Sorry you ended up getting muddled, but the web info-overload has a way of doing that. Eventually, the truth will out. ’til then I council patience…time wounds all heels, even brilliant ones.
You all REALLY don’t know what the truth is about the “Drone”! IT’s A HOAX!!! The photos are Photoshoped, and not a good job at that! I guess if you all “want to believe” go right ahead and waste you time flapping you jaws and hitting those keys. Go in pease
Sounds to me like a very clever marketing idea – but not in the way you think: just like the OP has researched this thing for more than a year, isn’t it possible that the people over at TSCC are clever enough to also have researched this “Drone” thing and just incorporated it (after the fact, with no quid pro quo) into the story line to get some viral buzz going about the series? This seems much more likely to me than some “on strike” writers getting some “on strike” video production crew to come up with these photos (from multiple sources) – WITHOUT GETTING PAID (on strike, y’know) to be used more than a year later in an episode that was watched by less than 2.5 million people (NCIS gets like 20 million). Also, don’t you find it funny that the Drones weren’t used in any of the teasers for the episode? Seems like if a Producer had spent a bunch of money for more than a year to get this viral stuff started, he (or she) would have promoted the HELL out of it BEFORE the episode ran…sounds to me like they (or possibly YOU, referring to the OP) might be trying to boost the sagging ratings by adding this Drone thing and NOW trying to get the virals started….just my laymans opinion….
Great observations and thoughts Name and Fortunate. On the face of it Josh writes an apparent not Fox, but the questio was it Warners who sold this package to Fox. I see, imo, the same legal side stepping AW. If I asked you, did you set the fire in the theatre?, and you then respond “no it wasnt Bruce, we all just ran with crowd and concession people, sorry we made you think it was us, it was very confusing and understandable reaction to run, but there was a fire”I call that deliberate muddling of the waters.
An honest honest would have been no we wWrners, had nothing to do with it not, no it wasn’t someone else.
we can then move foward to continue to see who collects on the fire insurance.
I agree also Fortunate, that yes as this was borne online, it would make a market and behaviour study, it has been done with things like flickr by one very early and dismissed suspect at Georgia Tech a university professor. The fact it was a Lawyer with no known background or history in ufology unti this “event” occurred, discovered only after immediate checks on IP before they changed it, made it more curious. Having it cross borders and involve EU Canada Au..and USA ..makes it a spectacular study on how groups and or cults form or populations can be molded.
The applications can be more than Commercial..they can be political and military and psychological.
But the answers of AW, Josh, Todd Schwartz, the lawyer at the Isaac site.. have been all very lawyerlike..
but the evidence seems to point to them and a viral, serving several entities, much the same way putting Superman on an AW laptop, or Warcraft on a Dell, or a group of kids Eating lets say A Dominoes pizza or Reeses pieces, on ET..
(It might have been mms ..I can’t exactly recall.) Sales shot up 20 percent after that for the candymaker..
But this one, appears commercial, imo.
Thanks, Sysco. As you know, I think the whole thing looks corporate, too. Corporations are all about control, and control is one of the hallmarks of this episode. College students having us all on would surely have gloated to *somebody* by now. A team of gamers or CGI artists trying to drum up business would not be invisible at this point. Many of us are very familiar with the MO of the psy-op crowd, and we’re not seeing those patterns. No one has blown the whistle on this because there are very compelling reasons not to. I think those reasons can be found in contract law. Where would one find that many lawyers and that much control surrounding a hoax? Not very many places!
Fortunate-one: Thanks.
I have a saying,
Time, as in all matters, will be the telling factor.
I am incredibly patient!
Butch: I can’t disagree. The wire top of the drones all seem to “fade” from view in the better focused pictures. I find that odd indeed. I leave the rest of the conjecture up to you.
Hi guys I agree.
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Patience..
Thats why it has been tedious getting the little tidbits we have..Because as Double said..Contract Law..no antigravity law..NDA non disclosure agreement,not NDE, Near death Experiences..(though thats what we have been trying to give them for some time now.
Again, In the end..when they are asked why they did it.They will respond just as surely as Dillinger responded when they asked why he robbed banks ..
because “thats where the money is”
Sys_config. What are you talking about? I’m confused. They did it for the money?
One thing I’ve learned concerning ufo’s, nothing is what it seems.
Military holographic technology and exotic aircraft can make you believe that your really seeing a ufo, when your not. (Arizona lights)
Most ufo’s are military, (Especally triangle craft)
Some are photoshop and the real ones are usually malfunctioning, if your seeing them.
The more sharp angles and antennas sticking out of any ufo craft, point toward an earth design…
Most true alien craft are sphere, saucer, or cigar shaped craft. Some even change shape.
Don’t go near them!
You can’t trust aliens…
Oh, the California Drones are Earth designs, alright!
I think you missed my point…
Pun intended.
Sys_Config misattributed the quote,”That’s where the money is.” Those words were uttered by Willie Sutton, a contemporary of Mr. Dillinger.
Anyway, all this is making for some interesting reading. I can only wonder at how long it will be before the real deal is revealed.
That’s kinda my point Woodsy you won’t know when you see a real alien ufo because there’s so much crap out there already.
Very good detective job. I always know that it was a hoax – neither the first nor the last one…
Sorry about the misattribtion to dillinger and besmirching his good character, it was a long time ago, but we can agree it describes a state of mind that exists even now among those in illegitimate and legit trades. Especially Show biz.
Don’t you ever feel fleeced after plunking twelve dollars to see a bad movie
Ironically Dillinger died coming out of of a movie theatre.
On the Alien thing , if you recognized or understood something, then its not really alien.
Even the Saucer term we have become endeared to since they appeared over Mt Rainier , may have been actually crescent..chevron.. or boomerang shaped..if we are to believe the witness
and official reports.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Arnold
He is best-known for making what is generally considered the first widely reported unidentified flying object sighting in the United States, after claiming to see nine unusual objects flying in a chain near Mount Rainier, Washington on June 24, 1947. Arnold described the objects’ shape as resembling a flat saucer or disc (see quotes below), and also described their erratic motion as resembling a saucer skipped across water; from this, the press quickly coining the new terms “flying saucer” and “flying disc” to describe such objects, many of which were reported within days after Arnold’s sighting. Later Arnold would add that one of the objects resembled a crescent or flying wing. (image at right)
So we can see how some of this “crap” developed thanks miscommunication..
I certainly don’t want to do that here.
And that in turn may have been possible related to this..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229
If you want to sort out some of the crap..then stop by Nuforc, if you haven’t already.. that has catalogued witness sightings going back before Roswell.
Just graphing the numbers of reports in a spreadsheet by decade has interesting results.
I’m not here arguing are they real or not
I know as RK said..its a hoax ..I am merely studying the science and art of deception and illusion, and who some of our dream weavers or circus tent masters may be
Thats all.
sys_Config:
I just confirmed that most exterior shots (Eileen’s trailer, the factory/warehouse Sarah finds and the Desert Pie Shop) were indeed filmed at Aqua Dulce Airport in Los Angeles County.
Your intrepid Screen Rant crew hard at work for you!
Bruce, you are tennacious as a Junkyard Dog, and I mean that as a compliment..and also producers changed the name from originally scripted already in place name Isaac to Abraham too
We know at least also the completed that episode on Oct 24..and boy did you pick up the fear of cancellation in that post? Desperate times do indeed call for desperate measures..
I think somebody out there was “Joshin” us Bruce..:)
By the way I go by EnlightenedSeeker at OMF and Sys_Config at Abovetopsecret, enclave for renegade unbelievers and home of the shameless ArmChair Researchers Council ARC..should you ever care to drop by there.
This can be fun unravelling.
Sys_Config,
Abovetopsecret is a great site to check into but its too heavily moderated.
I’ve never seen a website that seems dedicated to free speech, have so many draconian restrictions on commenting and comments…
I personally don’t believe any of the lights in the night are UFO’s simply because doesn’t it make you wonder how aliens can have the technology to travel millions of light years but not the technology to keep themselves stealth?? I mean seriously. Regular aircraft needs lights for various reasons. So we don’t fly into each other, landing lights, etc. But why would an alien craft that can out fly and out maneuver any earth-made aircraft need lights for??
I give more credibility to daytime sightings, although even then you wonder why they don’t simply wait until nighttime to spy on us if that is their objective. I personally think we would not see a real UFO unless they WANT to be seen…
Lord have mercy ..You should visit some of the ones I and some “disbelievers’ have been banned at..I feel your pain for sure.
Those curiously require an application almost like Unknown Country, or Drontream, probably anticipating trolls, or only desiring like minded people..
ATS can be a jungle..but imo..balances at in the end..
I ran across this delightful display of moonwalking by Josh when asked about the writers strike back in November of 2007 and had that first episode been locked in.
http://tv.ign.com/articles/835/835266p1.html josh well…hehehe
But editing is writing and it’s another way to make your vision known. It’s very frustrating for me not to be there. I have the choice. I can be there per my contract, but to me everything comes from writing and I just can’t imagine walking past writers who aren’t getting paid in order to pick up my producing paycheck. That just seems immoral.
it’s very painful. This is my first show and I usually have my hands in every little thing and that’s how I like it. It’s a difficult decision for any showrunner, because they’re very protective of their material. They want to keep the work going for their crews. Those are our second families. It’s challenging, but I just made a conscious choice that I’m a writer first and always and I wouldn’t have my executive producer job if I wasn’t a writer. ”
I am sure Isaac feels the same way with his material.
Then we go back to June 20, 2007, 6 days before the famous ET gate release of material on the net by Isaac..where Isaac..I mean Josh discusses what to expect on that Chronicle trailer..
http://tv.ign.com/articles/798/798086p1.html here he is on June 2007 stating thee will be a skynet component, which we know was that drone on steroids and plummage at the end.
“There will be Terminators. There will sometimes be pursuit. There will be Terminators in a lot of it, and there’s also a Skynet component to the show.”
Hmmm did he already have a revelation before Isaac came on?
Now to re emphasize Brucsimms point, as well as mine, and several other sites, but which most devotees here know very well is you just don’t take someone elses script posted at dedicated website, and it does read like a script, ….change a name, barely modify the craft..and incorporate it into your show without even a credit acknowledgement..unless its possibly your to begin with by pen in hand or by purchase.
Lets go back farther shall we? So for those unfamiliar..get a feel how iseas and stories not ones own..are dealt with in most ethical movie businesses..
.. an episode of Star Trek..shot Ironically , in that same Dulce AirPark.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_(TOS_episode)
“when using a similar story star trek
Scroll down to Production
According to an account by Herbert Solow in the book “Inside Star Trek, The Real Story”[1], the relation to Brown’s story may have been an unconscious inspiration. After Coon had written what he thought was an original script, Desilu’s research department noted the similarity. It was therefore agreed that Desilu’s Business Affarirs office would call Brown and offer a fair price for the story, before it was shot and broadcast. Brown agreed without knowing that the story had already been written.” unquote
So we know that a writer of Joshs caliber, the Showrunner, The man in charge, with a fundamentalist persective, on writers rights.. would never violate a writers code, the episodes up to four had already been done and in post production by the time of writers strike..Thanks to that interviewers question and Joshs almost convoluted answer.. at IGN..
And we know that the at least one of skynet craft he alluded to on June 20, 2007 is imo, that craft we saw recently on the end scene..of chronicles..
Very interesting, Zorro. I keep thinking of the following quote, for some reason. It’s from Colin Bennett’s July, 2007 essay, “Meme Wars: We Have an Agenda” found at this address:
http://www.realityuncovered.net/ufology/articles/memewars.php
“The only trouble with the commentary is that it is far too well sculpted for someone who claims he is not a writer. “Isaac” takes his time, unfolds the story in skilled fictional terms, frequently hesitating in relaxed professional narrative style. He uses rhetoric, self-questioning, and complex irony. The voice is warm, assured, and very human as if he is used to narrating with a well-modulated voice at just the right distance before a studio microphone. Despite the protestations of innocence, this is well-rehearsed piece has a detectable (and betraying) polish. It could be done as straight Radio talks-feature without any changes.”
Oh the Irony indeed..Isaac..he will laugh, then chamged to Abraham..The father of all nations..(and probably the story).and who succeeds Abrahamin biblical Literature? why Abrahams chosen one..Joshua..Fearless conqueror of Jericho..
what we have here metaphorically is a divine trinity..
its delicious. just like Father Son and the holy ghost..a neat way of saying to us ..We are one!
Indeed they are
oops, I’m surprised biblical scholars did not pounce on me immediately.., Josh was successor to Moses, Isaac was the son of Sarah and Abraham, Mother Father of many episodes, I mean Nations….( at least that makes it politically correct)..but my original..Trinity musings..must be retracted.
Well Josh, was this ‘ Guy Isaac” paid for his story as is the normal duty to do or if borrowing why was it not credited, or even a little dedication, squeezed in somewhere.. You see, unlike borrowing themes like black holes and time warps, and using them willy nilly generically ..this was a put together script Josh. Not even an independent inspiration like in the star trek episode, who even then , they still paid the piper.
What is the difference I would like to know.
And the June 20 interview, pretty much tells me that you knew beforehand about the drone craft, which Isaac, explained six days later. So all these completions before the 26, tells us fore knowledge. It was easy to reach him Josh, that nice Lady at Earthfiles had all the contact numbers, and that Attorney, looking after the interests as he said.. at the site put up within 7 hours would have been glad to help.
Did Josh even try?
My My,
Isn’t it obvious its his?
Or is our Josh really playing the role of Jacob, who by trickery, stole his starving twin brother Esaus’s birthright.
I hope not.
I am inclined that its Josh’s all along ..you can’t steal whats aleady yours.
I posted this on Above Top Secret and then found this discussion. You don’t appear to know that Starfire Tor solved this mystery in 2007. It’s a great report and investigation. Cudos need to go to her for this fine work.
You can read Starfire Tor’s aerial drone report here
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones.htm
Below is the ATS post where Starfire Tor’s report is being discussed in late 2008 and questions are being asked about Whitley Strieber’s strange behavior.
Here’s the link to my post so you can get the whole view of what was being said.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=289007&page=420#pid6007515
ATS post:
I’m on Starfire Tor’s list and joined after hearing her interviews on unknowncountry.
Starfire Tor absolutely published her aerial drone mystery report on her web site in 2007. Starfire Tor published the report in 2 parts. The first part was in mid or early 2007 and the second was in October or November 2007. Don’t know how anyone here missed it but it’s been on her website since she published it in 2007.
I’ve read her published aerial drone investigation and IMO it’s the best out there. The report shows you how she did the research and all the things she followed until getting to the Alienware viral marketing of their Area 51 laptops. If everybody did investigations of the calibur of Starfire Tor’s then wewould have much less hoaxes on the net.
Starfire Tor never posted her thoughts on her list about why Strieber went so wrong with his pushing a hoax. Like was written here her report says that Strieber asked her opinion. I don’t know whether Starfire Tor’s superior investigation caused Strieber to outlaw her from unknowncountry. Maybe you don’t know that Starfire Tor’s been away on some investigation for more than a year and she only came back on her list explaining this. Her being off on an important investigaion might be why she hasn’t been on Striber’s show.
Now that she’s back I’m waiting to see if she goes on Strieber’s show again and if the topic will be her breaking the news about the aerial drones being a viral marketing promotion for Alienware. Starfire Tor has the proof on her web site. The best thing Strieber can do is respect Starfire Tor’s superior report and let himself change his tune and stop promoting the hoax as being real. Maybe Starfire Tor will be back on his show but it won’t be about the aerial drones.
Starfire Tor has proven to be a great researcher on the side of truth. I liked the way she started the report by explaining that she’s a believer in UFO and like things being real, and that hoaxes heap a big hurt on UFO researchers that promote real cases and not hoaxes. It shows she’s got brains and integrity and is someone to be listened to.
I think Strieber is a very smart man who’s had real encounters. It can’t be disproved. I don’t see how he could have missed that the aerial drone photos were faked. He does research and in the film business and could ask experts to look at the photos like Starfire Tor did. Starfire Tor doesn’t say that Strieber had anything to do with making up the hoax but I think that’s because the evidence led to Alienware and their contest.
Linda M Howe acts like someone who promotes whatever she thinks will get her attention and then money. I think that’s what she did with the aerial drone hoax. Maybe she was honest when she started with animal mutilations but after that she became something like a snake oil salesman IMO. Strieber has fame and money and deals. He doesn’t need to promote a hoax to earn a living. so why did he do it? He’s smarter than that. Did he think his fans would follow him blindly? Why? His aerial drone promotions make no sense to me. I hope Starfire Tor gets a radio show.
Re: Starfire Tor web page. Nobody solved anything yet. Where did you get that idea? The website on Starfire Tor is aftermath is all. Nothing new there since everyone posted about the drones here, there and everywhere. The only two places that were thick with the drones from their inception (May 3, 2007) were the UFO Casebook & Open Minds Forum. Since then, an off-shoot from the Open Minds forum created the Drone Research Team who are still currently working on the drone issue. They’re the ones that hired the private investigators. More recently they found the Capitola telephone pole and know where Raj’s in-laws home is. You should check out the DRT because there is absolutely nobody on the Internet that knows more than they do, not ATS certainly since they’re more apt to do away with a dronie somehow.
Case in point, the drone issue is still an issue and there has been no closure. Your answer to that Starfire site was on page two where it’s stated, “Whitley Striber gave me”. He didn’t come into the drone picture until well after it began and only knows what Linda Moulton-Howe from Earthfiles fed him. That’s a bad dinner. Here’s the DRT’s address.
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php
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