Spider-Man 4 has been receiving plenty of buzz in recent times with announcements and confirmations of it going into production next year for a 2011 release. On top of that, we’ve had countless reports and speculation about what storylines it may follow, the start of development for Spider-Man 5 & 6, and discussions of what villains will be the focus of the fourth installment in the super successful superhero franchise.
MTV spoke with Sam Raimi and got the director to discuss a bit about the villains of Spider-Man 4 and the results of a fan poll they ran on the site which saw The Lizard and Carnage come out on top as the most desired villains, with the highest percentages from an unknown number of votes.
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Raimi responded to the two top choices but couldn’t reveal who they’ve selected as the villainous characters are for the next Spider-Man adventure.
“I love the Lizard… There’s a great story there in the Marvel comic books about Dr. Connors. I’m less familiar with Carnage.”
After this, you could tell Raimi wanted to be more open on the topic, but he must remain tight-lipped for obvious reasons with shooting not even expected to begin until next March. After a long pause, Raimi followed up by saying “I’m not allowed to say at this point.”
Normally, I’d think that The Lizard would be an obvious choice and that the other would be a character not introduced into the franchise yet. I can pretty much guarantee Carnage will not be in Spider-Man 4. After what happened with Venom in Spider-Man 3, they’ll be leaving the symbiotic villains behind until the franchise restarts and/or the Venom solo film gets underway.
However, Raimi later explains that the next movie doesn’t have so much to do with a character introduced in the films so far or about intertwining with/setting up the Venom spinoff. This partially puts a damper on The Lizard’s full introduction.
Of course, he could just be intentionally misleading. It seems like too much of a missed opportunity to not have The Lizard finally make an appearance after seeing Dr. Curt Connors introduced and slightly developed over the last few films.
Raimi continued by elaborating on the goal of Spider-Man 4’s story and how the villain will fit into that plan.
“What we’re trying to do right now is really understand the journey Peter is going to go on this time and have the villain maybe be a counter to that growth, something that he has to overcome… Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain, because there always seem to be stories of coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life, so once we are identifying the exact movement that Peter has to grow to, I think the villain—and we’re trying this right now; we’re trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict.”
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“Because New Goblin, The Sandman, and Venom weren`t nowhere near as great as Doc Ock was.
The action scenes in SM2 weren`t as heavy and intense as SM3, the collaboration of one villain can`t be better than 3 villains. Can you please be more specific?
So? the action scenes in Transformers 2 were more intense than the previous, but it doesn’t mean make the film better.
Doc Ock actually had character. You could feel remorse or sympathy for him. The only character you could almost feel that for in “Spider-man 3″ was The Sandman and even he sucked. And yes, one villain can always be more impressive than one. With one villain you have time to setup the character and give him/her screentime(like Doc Ock and Green Goblin), but when you have more than one it cheapens the other villain.
“Each film is only as good as its villain. Since the heroes and the gimmicks tend to repeat from film to film, only a great villain can transform a good try into a triumph.”
@ John K
I don’t think spidey 3 had too many villains I just think it wasn’t executed right. Directors can definitely make a movie work with three villains but the proper back story needs to be applied. It’s tough to develop the characters and make people care about them in 2 hours. IMO, sandman was corny and venom was rushed and horribly cast. A skinny guy for venom? Please.
@John K.
Oh, and the action scenes in “Spider-man 3″ were no where near as fun as the subway fight in “Spider-man 2″.
Sorry, I meant TRAIN, not subway.
So facing his uncle’s killer did nothing to help him grow up? Btw Venom is the villain this guy is looking for but it’s a shame he used him already and quite badly might I add. So who can help Peter? The Lizard! But Raimi doesn’t want the Lizard… my god. So who’s left? Kingpin? Nah, just because he’s one of my favorites doesn’t mean he’ll be right for the part. Now let’s see… no Venom, no Carnage, no Lizard and no Kingpin… I’m out of ideas.
I vote for…HOWARD THE DUCK or Forbushman!!
(*runs from the room screaming like a wuss from all the Marvel No-Prizes heaved at his head by angry devotees of the comic*)
Forbush Man:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbush_Man
Recently in the comics they added new villains that aren’t classic like the others but are cool in there own way. These are Mr. Negative, Freak, Menace, and Anti-venom(not really a villain more of an anti-heroe) Doubt they would appear in a movie but…
Maybe the best villains might be mobster like tombstone, hammerhead, silvermane, kingpin, or Mr. Negative. they control crime in the city and would give it a more mature feel.
Mr Negative and Menace are cool
(as you can all probably tell, I have a thing for the goblin characters haha)
@Yamil: The Crimelord-control of the crime in spideyverse story is what I want, except they cant use kingpin, because the studio that made daredevil (fox?) owns the rights to him
maybe they could substitute kingpin with hobgoblin/green goblin(they could do a “super serum” regenerated me type thing) and the others you mentions
I want to see The Rhino finally get some screen-time in a Spider-Man movie…even though I really want him in a Hulk movie too…but he is one of my all time fave villians and would be a great add to a future Spidey movie…mabey not the ‘main’ villian’ but an extra one.
Based on what he did in the last movie. why would any of you waste your money to watch a part 4? He owes you guys one, based on that atrocity we got in 07. DONT BUY A TICKET!
SM3’s problem wasn’t because of “too many villains”. It was bad writing. Plain and simple. What did “emo” Peter Parker arguably everyone’s least favorite part of the film–have to do with the villains? What was wrong with Venom wasn’t the choice of character or even actor, but the way the character was presented.
Instead of focusing on the villains they had useless things such as Peter dancing and singing, the MJ and Harry cooking thing and other unnecessary stuff.
I think of the Lizard was the sole villain it would be too similar to SM2. Octavius was Peter’s friend and then an accident turn him into a monster and at the end he was redeemed. In short: a good doctor, who is Peter’s friend and mentor turns into a monster and Spider-Man must stop him, but somehow not hurt his friend.
This story might work with fanboys but the GA most likely will not accept it. It would feel as the same story told with only different characters, and Spidey definitely needs something fresh now, something new.
Plus it would mean yet another sympathetic villain. I know it’s inevitable with the Lizard. That’s why I want another villain to go along with him.
IMO not very many of Spidey’s foes are complex enough to carry a two-hour movie on their own. In fact, I think only GG and Doc Ock can.
And please no Morbius. How many vampire movies and TV shows are floating around these days? He should be one of the last villains used. Especially when more unique villains can be done. This isn’t Blade or Twilight.
umm yeah thats great rami no carnage and you might not use the lizard what the heck! the only one i belive would change his life big time is kraven the hunter! and might have the kingpin involed as well if the lizard isnt in it as well the black cat jumping in and out in the movie would be epic! cus you see you dont need to know anything about the black cat just that shes into spidey and well she is a bit tide into captain america thats about it and her dad knew peters father or was it his ungle i dont remember. but yeah kraven the hunter would work and the black cat and whats with a red hair child i guess he is going to listen to kristen dunst about them haveing a baby to reboot the flim
wow rami well the only kool one to change spidey`s life in anyway and since you are going with kristen dunst idea from her last 2 yrs about them haveing a baby by the way is gwen stacy comeing back? so i belive kraven the hunter is the best choice! as well the black cat
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