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Lunar Child says:

I don’t mind if the next movie is a complete reboot, and I don’t really mind if the W. Brothers direct it. However, I WILL certainly mind if BRANDON ROUTH does not return.

@T

You’re joking, right?

Vic

wes says:

If they want a new trilogy, I hope it doesn’t start off with another stupid origin story with **gag** Luthor as the villain. I don’t want ‘Superman Begins’.

greenknight333 says:

I think a lot of people didn’t “get” the Matrix films because they were very deep on so many levels. I have watched them many times and I always find something in them that I didn’t see previously like the Merovingian and Persephone being earlier versions of Neo and Trinity from an earlier version of the matrix..I could/should write a much larger post as this trilogy is probably my favorite of all time. I think it was brilliant in it’s scope and accomplishments and I applaud the Wachowskis for their vision and intelligence in creating something so innovative and groundbreaking..The movies were heavily laced with symbolism throughout and a lot of things I haven’t picked up on yet..I need to go watch them again.. :)

How deep the Matrix films were or weren’t is irrelevant to this issue. The popular response to them is, and that popular response does not suggest that Warner Brothers should entrust Superman to them.

greenknight333 says:

I guess you didn’t get them then huh Action FLick Chick? It’s okay..

@greenknight

What you call “deep” I call “pretentious and self-indulgent.” :-P

Vic

Ken J says:

Rev, you realize that Christian Bale is not exactly a big guy either right?

Skippy2057 says:

Reverend – you said “One ( of the ) thing(s) I didn’t like about Superman Returns was the complete lack of power-usage. Heat vision, x-ray, ice breath, and so on.”

I recall scenes with all of those powers in “Superman Returns” – heat vision to free the clamps on the shuttle, Supes x-rayed Lois in the small airplane, and he blew out the underground natural gas fires with some kind of “super breath’.

I don’t think super slo-mo counts as “bullet time” as some others mentioned. The “bullet time” gag was the fact that you were changing your point of view while observing an event that was either “frozen in time” or else moving really slowly.

I thought “Superman Returns” was enjoyable with a few really exceptional scenes/moments. However, I am getting tired of “all Lex, all the time” Superman movies, and would like to see some other villains as other have said.

I *really* liked the first Matrix movie, the second one was generally disappointing and the third was worse; over the top, but not in a good way.

I sort of got what they were going for with Speed Racer, I guess it just was not quite my kind of thing.

greenknight333 says:

@ Vic

Sure they are pretentious and self-indulgent if you are not willing to delve deeper into the entire Matrix mythos. The Wachowskis imagined a matrix “world” of unfathomable design, imagery, & complexity. They encapsulated many of history’s most philosophical questions on spirituality, eschatology & dissimulation & assimilation (choice) meticulously using many of the multimedia tomes available to them. To accomplish such a monumental task (The movies, video games, internet, comic books, animation)is ineffable IMO. The acumen these brothers exhibited to coalesce their ideas into a series of films, (as well as the above mentioned tomes of multimedia), of this scope representing so many genre (and to make it entertaining) is really transcendent of all the conditioned cynicism these films received. They remain a masterpiece of modern film lore and never quite got the recognition they deserved from a large majority of fans.

I think they would be a perfect fit for a Superman reboot!! Go Wachowskis !!

Re: “I guess you didn’t get them then huh Action FLick Chick? It’s okay.”

I guess you didn’t get the point of what I was saying.

How deep they are is NOT RELEVANT to whether WB should gamble half a billion dollars on letting them make a Superman trilogy.

Ken J says:

Careful, my fanboy senses are tingling.

greenknight333 says:

As I said above I think the Wachowskis would be perfect for a reboot of Superman..half a billion dollars or not

huntthejest says:

Rather see Spielberg. Granted, not in conjunction with Lucas(that era, as we’ve all seen, has passed.) But think about it. The brothers are more suited to darker themes(the matrix featuring much more sci-fi grit than fantasy, and V for Vendetta being, well, V for Vendetta) I love the work they’ve done with the Matrix, but Speed Racer kinda cemented for me that they’re best suited to steer clear from fantastical somewhat light-hearted icons. Spielberg on the other hand has been making the Superman movie we all want to see for years. Think about it, an alien comes to Earth, and he wants to help us. Toss in Spielberg’s vision and depth for the character’s background(Spielberg does Krypton, and the fortress of solitude?) The villain angle would be a nice change of pace too. I doubt Spielberg would dwell on Lex Luthor, but dive into the plethora of other villains Superman has faced, and he would make the villain as complex as the hero. He’s one of the few directors I can actually see making this big blue boyscout relatable to a mass audience(provided he doesn’t cast Tom Cruise or Will Smith)

KEl says:

Hmmm. I kinda like this. They might be the folks for the job. So long as it’s true to the comics and action packed, I’m game. I hope this is true.

But I would also love to see a Plastic Man film. He is a great character and the original strectchy guy and is truly unique among superheroes. His film could be great.

KEL says:

Hopefully Routh will be involved in some way. :-D

Panda says:

I recently watched Matrix 2 and 3, after having only seen each once in the theater, and I agree with greenknight that there is much more there than at first appears. I despised the third one after the first viewing, but saw a lot more the second time.

I really don’t have a good feeling about the wach bros taking on Superman tho. I actually liked parts/aspects of Returns and I like Singer as a director. As far as action goes, the seen where Supes saves the shuttle/jet was one of the best comic movie action scenes ever – I don’t care if I get bombarded for saying that.

nowhereman says:

@ GreenKnight333

Man, oh man!!! Syllable- pah-loozahhhh!
This is not a dig, my man!
I am completely floored by your post, which included the following:
pretentious
unfathomable
encapsulated
philosophical
eschatology
dissimulation
meticulously
ineffable
acumen
transcendent
cynicism
I can’t thank you enough! I’m going to use that post as a sobriety test from now on!
Abso-freakin’-lootly Spleniforous!

Rob Keyes says:

Matrix 2 and 3 were not deep in my mind.

They pretended to be and the dialogue was so awful because of it.

The conversation between Neo and the Zion leader guy basically involved them pretending to reference big philosophical ideas just by naming them and then asking for critical praise by saying “look how deep and thoughtful this is”

It came off so badly.

The first Matrix is the only true great film out of the trilogy.

King-of-Riva says:

This should be one to watch…

KEL says:

I’ve got the script to the Plastic Man film that they wrote years ago, it’s pretty kick ass. I’d love to see it get made. :D It’s actually pretty damn good. If it doesn’t get made, it’s at least worth a read, I say.

McCoy says:

This is not good news. The Wachowskis represent style over story. We’ve heard the “pefect for the series” before with Singer. The Wachowskis ruined Speed Racer…they will ruin Superman.

I didn’t like ‘Returns’ on many levels….but I would rather have Singer back then the Wachowskis.

Speilberg would be a great choice. We would be able to bet that the story would at least feel grounded in the real world.

greenknight333 says:

@ Nowhereman

Sorry Dude!!

Me like matrix movies me tink dey are good..me watch lots…LOL!!

@ Rob

***SIGH***

“The conversation between Neo and the Zion leader guy basically involved them pretending to reference big philosophical ideas just by naming them and then asking for critical praise by saying “look how deep and thoughtful this is”

I’m sorry but that was the entire point of the films and it was beautifully encapsulated in these scenes between NEO and Councilor Hamann..THe point that Hamann was trying to make was how humans need machines and machines depend on humans..instead of existing mutualistically and reaping the benefits of such a relationship they freely choose to go to war with one another for the sake of self-preservation ..it’s a great comment on the reality of war and a great philosophical moment..Machines enslave humans and humans enslave machines both thinking they are “right” in the choices they have made to ensure they survive..

The movie trilogy itself fashioned an entire mythology that mirrors the spiritual journey of the ascendant..
Literally every character name, place name, hovercraft name & symbols from the movies reference Greek, Norse, Roman mythology, Hebrew theology, CHristian theology, & Zen Buddhism. Neo’s journies and struggles to save Zion and it’s inhabitants is a symbol of our quest from delusion to truth, from darkness to light, and from death to immortality..

So to quote you again “look how deep and thoughtful this is” it really is…take another look Dude!!

“There is no spoon” Rob so take a pill (preferably a Red Pill) and get down on the MAtrix!!

Cheers

greenknight333 says:

I’ll be quiet now!!

Rob Keyes says:

lol,

GK, I LOVE the first Matrix, and I really enjoy the second movie as well.

The third one though, wasn’t deep or special or well-written. It was phony and pretended to be those things just to live up to what the first one did naturally.

That scene was so forced, unnatural and it didn’t fit at all. It’s just one of the many things that movie did wrong :(

But, I’m glad you enjoyed it – You’re allowed to :)

greenknight333 says:

That was very funny!! Even after Will Ferrell showed up…

Ken J says:

Ergo, vis a vis, concordedly, I have no idea what I just said, I thought it would make me sound cool…

Yah, apparently the makers of Matrix did too… :-D

KEL says:

Their Plastic Man script is actually pretty good, guys. ;-)

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