I see a bit of Lily Potter in Mary Winchester too, Alex. Hey, maybe that was why Lilith couldn’t kill Sam, same reason Voldemort couldn’t kill Harry. They say all great writers steal!

And as for the final showdown, Winchester vs. Winchester, I agree with you Ryan, Sam and Dean can’t kill each other because they love each other too much, besides, there goes the series!

My advice as to how two opposites, two brothers, keep from killing each other? Well Augustus Caesar and Marcus Agrippa somehow managed to rule Rome together for 10 years and they were close childhood friends and almost polar opposites. Augustus was of average Roman height, sleightly built, incredibly intelligent and “extremely handsome” – a “girly man”. Agrippa was at least a head taller than Augustus and a more “manly man” type, a natural leader and an excellent general and admiral. Even though Agrippa was known to have a volatile temper and a willful personality, he somehow managed to play second fiddle to a man, who at least by the physical standards of his day, was a lesser man. Maybe it was because Augustus had risked his entire political future to save Agrippa’s brother, Lucius. Julius Caesar had finally had his long awaited real son by the Queen of Egypt, possibly putting Augustus’ position as Caesar’s heir (Augustus was only Caesar’s favorite grand-nephew at this time) in jeopardy, and Julius Caesar had expressly forbidden anyone to ask him to pardon any prisoners from his battle with Cato, Agrippa’s brother was one of those prisoners – well, out of his love for his friend Agrippa, Augustus begged for Lucius’ life anyway. Dumb move to most politicians, but Julius Caesar was deeply moved by his grand-nephew’s spunk and Agrippa was now a friend for life – Augustus wasn’t even 16 at the time. So I guess it was the memory of Augustus’ willingness to risk it all that helped those two “brothers” from killing each other, kindof like Dean’s selling his soul to save Sam.

On a more practical note, Augustus and Agrippa probably figured out that too much “togetherness” was not a good thing and didn’t see each other sometimes for more than six months at a time – one would be in Asia Minor, the other in Gaul, and so on. Maybe the Winchesters will need more alone time to sort things out.

Can’t wait!

Also i read the casting sides for episode 9 and can i say OMG i can’t wait..
i’m not one for giving ppl spoilers but seems like a big episode and at this point in time a lot more things are out in the open

I beleive they are going towards one being antichrist and one being the savoiur. But i don’t see it going to the final showdown. Nothing seems to be able to come between these 2 brothers.

Love your insights Lisa, can’t wait to find out if all our theorising makes any sense as the storyline moves along lol

As you mentioned their mother (I had forgotten about her, shame on me), I was reminded of something else. The whole Mary dying to save Sam, out of love, the ultimate sacrifice… kind of reminds me of Harry Potter…lol you never know…

As you mentioned their mother (I had forgetten about her, shame on me), I was reminded of something else. The whole Mary dying to save Sam, out of love, the ultimate sacrifice… kind of reminds me of Harry Potter…lol you never know…

Okay, so there’s a lighter in Dean’s coffin (heck I was surprised there was any air left after 4 months to light the damn thing!)and no easy way out of the grave despite the flattened trees, I still bought it. Prior to Thursday, I heard the leak that Dean escaped hell. I thought – Ruby helps him out, maybe even Bela, never did I suspect the Kripster would turn to God, even though resurrection is quite appropriate when we are talking about the son of Mary, Winchester, that is.

Then on Thursday, once I saw the flattened trees, I thought powerful demon at war with Lilith. Then at the mini-mart, when I saw the hand-print I began to wonder what kind of demon would do that, looked more like the hand of God at work. Finally, when the TV came on, followed by the radio and the shattering glass, I was reminded of that Mothman movie with Richard Gere and I knew it was an angel. There was a reason those shepherds in Bethlehem were quaking in their sandals when the angel of the lord came to them, angels aren’t pretty women in diaphanous robes with wings and harps – they are awesome forces of nature incarnate, or at least, sort of incarnate – “cosmic”, to quote Ruby, and angels don’t always have our best interests at heart – remember Sodom and Gomorrah?.

The casting of the “holy tax accountant”, Misha Collins, is inspired. And the line that still haunts me: “You don’t believe you deserve to be saved!” – brilliant in its crystal, clear simplicity. I got the feeling from Castiel that he is usually detached, just doing God’s will, business as usual, holy tax accountant on April 14th and all, silly humans always sticking knives into me thinking it will actually do something, but when Castiel realizes that Dean’s lack of faith comes not from the usual human pride and feelings of self-importance, but from Dean’s feelings of being unworthy, Castiel begins to be drawn in by Dean. I loved this initial other-worldly detachment, followed by a brief glimpse of a very powerful angel beginning to care for the one who is entrusted to his keeping.

I hope they can sustain this higher level of writing throughout the season, as well as the higher level of acting – am I imagining it or has Jensen Ackles really found his acting “voice” – I usually can’t take my eyes off him, because well, he is one nice piece of eye candy, this time, there was more to it than that. His acting was wonderful. The reunion scenes with Bobby & Dean and Sam & Dean were priceless. I too miss Katie Cassidy, but with a story-line and writing and acting like this, well, I think I’ll get over it – especially with Uriel coming into the picture soon.

I can only blindly guess where they are going this season, but I do remember reading somewhere about how the Mormons believe that the Messiah (second coming) and the Antichrist would be brothers – well, move over Seti and Osiris, here come the Winchesters! Can Dean’s unselfish love save Sammy from Hell, again – or will one brother be forced to destroy the other? Enough of my ranting! Can’t wait for tomorrow’s episode!

i have no doubt that they are in it for there own gain. But like eric and ppl say there is no good and evil only shades of grey. So assume they just using him as a part of there own personal type gain.

Usually angels don’t interfere with human behaviour because god wants humans to have thre own choices. I will say this season does have somthing to do with satan. But from what i know it’s not castiel. But ppl do go looking for him.

Excited about it all. I think by end of episode 9 we should have some answers.. from what i got from casting calls/info i seen

so excited.

i never read into there actual characters history (i know that must supernatural based off facts they research though). My commet based off episode information i learned. there a few conversation between Uriel and Castiel and uriel and others about disobeying orders.

Also my comment about him not being lucifer in disguse because last season they mentioned most demons don’t beleive in him he’s a myth. But this will be brought up again in a major way regardless and might be the reason for angels interferance.

First was YED.. then lillith but now sam immune to her.. so she searching for a stronger power. Then you got these comisc forces that can pull ppl from hell but seem to be immune to all weapons they know of. Sam can crush demons with his mind. So they need stronger demons that can resist it.

Meaning this season will have massivly powerful demons stronger then lillith and anything we seen before. Thus boys need find a way to stop them. Or each other.

I will be first to admit, that i do not think lucifer is castiel. (I have reasons for this i will explain if asked).
Also Castiel if a fallen angel isn’t the angel you have to worry about (if he’s an angel at all). Character named Urieal (somthing like that be entering the show soon). He basically castiel partner.

Also why would an angels wings be black? unless not all angels are good. There is a bigger bad in this season coming or trying to come out. Which does make sense for angels to interfere since they know this big bad wouldn’t play by the rules either..

but over all i think going to start getting confusing there enough stories from the past 3 seasons not answered let alone giving dean an angelic type mission which leads him to believe he has to smite his brother.