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steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

Good review Vic, sounds like it had some great moments yet ultimatly was crap.
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It will be interesting to see how far this and Sarah Connor show go. They seem alot alike to me.

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none said,
February 18th, 2008 

What ever!! People like you keep shows like lost, lipstick Jungle, Sarah Conner Chornicles Battle star on the air they STINK!!! nothing but the same shows with different titles!!!

No show is a hit the first time it is aired.. so what.. you think every show on TV should be based on REALITY… what world are you living on? I sure need to stay off that planet.

You think boring remakes of people in relationships cheating, lying and sleeping around are good shows you got to be kidding me… sorry that this show had to stoop for 5 seconds to catch peoples attention because that is all they SEE… EVERY SHOW…

This is the FIRST TIME that I have watched a major network in years… so glad it wasn’t another teeny bopper, 30 something show about sick relationships…

I hope they keep the show…and get rid of the reality teeny bopper and 30 something shows…

SICK OF THEM….

It is called change, if you don’t like change, to bad it happens.

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Vic said,
February 18th, 2008 
Actually some of my all time favorite TV shows have been shows like classic Star Trek and Stargate SG-1.

I’m not at all a fan of shows involving excessive amounts of “sleeping around” and cheating - as a matter of fact that’s one of the aspects of BSG that I only tolerate and don’t enjoy.

What do look for in a show is a story that actually engages me, good acting and yes, even cool special effects - but not at the expense of the former two items.

Vic

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steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

You said it Vic, Baltar in BSG infuriates me to no end. And yes its hard to watch his labido destroy lives.
Man I sure look forward to his on screen death!!!!
^
Of course havnt seen season 3 yet?

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Andy said,
February 18th, 2008 

I didn’t think it was all that bad. Certainly better than alot of this “reality” crap that is inundating the airwaves. I have no idea how people can STILL watch awful shows like Survivor and American Idol. Give me a little Knight Rider over that ANY DAY!!!

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Jae Senn said,
February 18th, 2008 

Well, the original Knight Rider wasn’t exactly a cerebral show to begin with anyway, so they’re just keeping up that old spirit :-)
When will they re-do Airwolf, though?..

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Marina said,
February 18th, 2008 

I skipped “Masterpiece” re-airing of Part 2 of BBC’s “Pride and Prejudice” and ended up falling asleep about an hour in. I’m with you Vic - started off well enough (actually, I was a bit giddy when I heard the music again) and I really liked the FX of the bullets hitting the car (though it was really unnecessary to show us the effect again the second time.

Didn’t hate Kilmer as KITT but it wasn’t quite all there for me. The voice was a little too human for my liking.

I’d be really surprised if this found legs as a series, especially if they keep this cast. The doctor’s daughter and the guy (who can be bothered with names) are GOD AWFUL.

Still, the opening was cool.

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Deborah said,
February 18th, 2008 

I really liked the Knight Rider pilot, except for the beginniing which hinted that the female FBI agent is a Lesbian. Will probably not watch it since it is not appropriate for my 10-year old son.

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koneill said,
February 18th, 2008 

I have to admit that I was very disappointed. In fact, I turned it off after they botched the high speed chase collision.

The sex stuff was a blatant attempt to appeal to teenage boys. I could accept that.
A completely irresponsible Army Ranger. Umm, ok.
The FBI isn’t sure if there was foul play involved with the death of the father, despite the bullet ridden roomba, missing equipment, cut power lines, bullets and casings in the street, and reports of automatic gunfire? Kind of a long shot. (Plus, why does an FBI agent even know about secret defense department information let alone discuss it in the lobby with an uncleared person?)
A speeding minivan and a tractor-trailer avoiding a collision with only yards between them. It’s that straw that broke the camels back.

Worse than Knight Rider 2010. At least I managed to watch all of that.

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Maxx said,
February 18th, 2008 

1. I understand tie-in’s, but I think they over-did it with Ford. All background cars were also Fords…it was not subtle and was a distraction.
2. No way a Ford Edge can keep up with any Mustang on a straight road, let alone KITT on twisting roads. Maybe KITT isn’t that high performance?
3. I was amused by the Las Vegas tie-in at the Montecito. They *didn’t* over-do it here.
4. As I remember on the original, there wasn’t a steady love interest, and the Hoff filled more of a James Bond type role with regards to women in most episodes. If they continue this as a series, I think this is a loss vs. the original. I think this is an attempt at a wider audience (women) while losing some appeal for men. NBC is at it again…already screwing up a great formula! If this turns into another romance series (even if in Knight Rider dress), I’ll stop watching REAL QUICK.

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February 18th, 2008 
Marina,

I forgot to mention the double showing of the bullet effect. I’m glad I’m not the only one that was bugged by that. :-)
Vic

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February 18th, 2008 
koneill, my point about the Army Rangers is that they are highly disciplined and trained men. The kind of guys that have rock solid focus. So seeing someone who supposedly was one of them acting so “sloppy” just didn’t feel right.

Vic

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Andy said,
February 18th, 2008 

As for the “sexy” beginning series to lure in teenage viewers, this is nothing new. I remember as a teenager HAVING to watch the beginning of “The Fall Guy” to see Heather Thomas in a bikini, so don’t think this is something that the networks just discovered. It’s been there all along, maybe it just seems more obvious now.

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steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

From all the posts here I guess its pretty much what I thought it would be.
A lame remake that didn’t need to happen. NBC strikes again. How can this show even hope to beat FOX’s sunday night lineup???

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KJ said,
February 18th, 2008 

I am so sick of all of you jaded idiots being so negative of everthing that comes on TV.. All you people do is watch shows to tear then down..How about going in with a positive attitude and just watch the damn show… If TV is that bad in your eyes go make your on ‘perfect’ show/movie or better yet just dont watch TV and mabye go loose some wieght since I’m guessing at least a few of you arent excactly healthy!! So go ahead and rip me now since Im sure you ‘experts’ will!! Later

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steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

Oh come on KJ its fun to rip these bad shows apart…

I just love to rip shows like knight rider and bionic women a new one…
(Btw) I loved them as a kid but that was then, this is now.
Knight rider had it comming!! NBC needs to clean house and get some fresh talent in the development branch.

If they keep putting out these horrible remakes of shows that are out of there time then prepair to hear me rag on it….. endlessly…..thanks Screenrant!!!

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Maxx said,
February 18th, 2008 

I’d say I *am* jaded, only because the bar has been lowered so much.

I had high hopes for the new Knight Rider. I still do if it goes to a series. I liked the pilot for the most part, but there were a couple of places that really bugged me. I think the studios have a habit of weakening shows to satisfy some goal besides making a good show. In this case, shilling (excessively) Ford products was one point. …I think just having the Mustang in there is great advertising by itself, for the Ford brand in general. And, one thing I can’t stand, is that studios can’t be satisfied with a show that is really good, but maybe only targets just men, women, younger, older, etc. They will add stuff to widen the appeal, but the show becomes less appealing to the original group. Cheesy romance and Knight Rider just don’t go together!

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Retro said,
February 18th, 2008 

Looked forward too it hyped myself up for it. Let down because the orignal point of the show was the relationship between man and his car. They ignored much of what came before. The original series ended and Knight Rider 2000 aired in 1994. It took place in 2000 with a red vette labelled the Knight Industries 4000 the most advanced super car known to man and we’re suppose to believe this mustang supersedes it. Come on! Second the whole colour change hello been done with a short run show called “Viper”. Honored Knight Rider more just minus the A.I. The original KITT was already bullet proof so all the nanites really did was change the car’s colour and add a spoiler. Bring back the orginal voice for KITT William Daniels and bring back some emotional connectivity between the driver and his car. Then maybe it would be worth watching.

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FlameStrike said,
February 18th, 2008 

OK, looking at this I have to say the movie wasn’t that bad, and if this goes to series, I think it has potential. Yes, I’ll agree that it had it’s problems, but I’ve never known a single series that didn’t have problems with its first episodes. This was intended to be a pilot, so I’d say there are still bugs to work out, but nothing that can’t be fixed. The chase/near collision scene was a mistake, and I had some problems with how quickly KITT repaired the damage from the collision at the end, but these were the biggest problems I had.

I liked that they didn’t try to tie themselves into KR2000 or TKR, but stuck to following just the original series, including references to events and technologies from that series. The fact that this car is not the original character in a new body makes the Mustang far more acceptable, and the new character seems to fit the new design. The fact that KITT is not indestructible has to repair damage is a nice reference to the misisng formula for the molecular bonded shell from the original series, and the morphing of the car to a faster configuration is a nice advancement of the original Super Pursuit Mode.

Normally, I’ll admit, I wouldn’t be as forgiving of the mistakes this made, but I’ve always been a fan of the original, and that fondness allow me to overlook the flaws in that show. This movie really seems to be following in that spirit, treating the original series with respect and not appearing to try to make it into something it wasn’t. This version definitely has its flaws as well, but they look to have been made in the same spirit as the original’s. Given what Knight Rider was, this looks like a decent revival.

Personally, I look forward to finding out what NBC decides to do. If they pick it up for next season, I’ll probably be watching.

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February 18th, 2008 
KJ,

If you’re still following the comments here, I don’t tolerate name calling. If you disagree, fine, but do so in a civil manner.

Next, as others have said, the reason we’re jaded is because so much garbage has been repeatedly foisted upon us. If we accept everything they shovel at us with no complaint, shows will continue to get worse and worse.

As to “How about going in with a positive attitude and just watch the damn show”, I’ll point you to my season premiere reviews of Journeyman and Heroes.

And then there’s my review of the series finale of Journeyman, which is exceedingly positive.

If a show is good, I say so. If it stinks, I’ll say so as well.

Best regards,

Vic

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Blurpie said,
February 18th, 2008 

I concur on the whole Ford commercial thing. I switched it off after watching it for about 15 minutes, after which I’d seen all the Ford-logos I can stomach for one night. Actually, I did notice a couple of Volvo’s which were taken out pretty quickly (or at least they ended up in a ditch or on the side of the road; you know, Volvo’s are SOOO unsafe that way).
I watched the original Knight Rider growing up in Europe, so I don’t know about this, so here’s a question: did the original series also have “Ford car giveaway sweepstakes” commercials in between??
Please, this is as lame as GM trying to push its models in the Transformers movie a couple of months ago (I did actually like that movie; couldn’t care less about the cars though). 2/18/2008 5:32 PM | Blurpie

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Lana said,
February 18th, 2008 

A decent review–far less biased than most I’ve found online. Personally I found the show pretty lame. Too many cliches & stupid characters, too much bad acting. I also felt like I was watching a Ford commercial sandwiched between Ford commercials (& I’m NOT a Ford fan.) I won’t be watching it again & wish I could get those 2 hours of my life back.

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Sam said,
February 18th, 2008 

this was the most terrible piece of crap i’ve ever seen. It was a 2 hour show that ive been trying to finish watching for 48hours, and thats not because I was too busy to watch. Not that the original was loaded with great story lines and emmy award winning acting but holy CRAP!

Lastly, KITT as a mustang….. I just can’t do it. Nice job by Ford though, the bad guys drive a tahoe.

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February 18th, 2008 
Sam, yeah, I hear ya. I just tried to keep in mind how cheesy the original was, so to hold this one up to TOO high a standard didn’t make much sense.

But that non-collision scene… damn.

Vic

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Sam said,
February 18th, 2008 

It was most disappointing because i loved the original as a kid. I even liked the one when KITT was red Dodge Stealth floating down the riverwalk in San Antonio.

Wow, it was bad!!!!!

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Andy said,
February 19th, 2008 

Here’s a list of shows from the 70’s and 80’s that I am sure most of us here have enjoyed and have sentimental attachment to. Yet, all these have unrealistic depictions of violence and improbably storylines…but I bet you still enjoyed the show anyway.

The Dukes of Hazzard
TJ Hooker
The A-Team
Knight Rider
Airwolf
The Fall Guy
CHiPs

I don’t think the new Knight Rider movie was any less believable than any of those shows. Everyone’s harping on the crash scene, but how many THOUSANDS of bullets flew around in the A-Team and never hit ANYONE. Hell, at least in the new Knight Rider they actually showed someone getting shot and dying. Yeah, there were flaws, but ALOT of shows have/had flaws but we’re still able to enjoy them. I mean this isn’t “Nova” we’re talking about here!!!

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KJ said,
February 19th, 2008 

Excellent review…I agreed with every word letter for letter.

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Mick said,
February 19th, 2008 

I found the new Knight Rider a massive disappointment.
What always confused me about the franchise was here’s this guy who has no family, no life, no identity and yet he smiled as if his facial muscle didn’t produce lactic acid.

In the new show they had a chance to do something with this so-called ’shadowy world of a man who does not exist’. A chance to give it some heart and some edge like in ‘Heroes’. Instead it opens with Mike Traceur (probably respelled to reduce the uber-masculinity), an irresponsible git of a man in bed with two super models, more like a nod to Baywatch than KR.

Maybe I’m too optimistic, but I was hoping for something like ‘The Bourne Identity meets Knight Rider Mk 1′.

Who can I write to in the hope of suggesting some changes (not that I’m a great writer or anything!)?

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Vic said,
February 19th, 2008 
Mick, my impression of the Mike character was the same as yours, as I mentioned above.

You can probably find a way to contact the studio at http://www.nbc.com .

Vic

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Tom said,
February 19th, 2008 

Andy you were spot on in your comments in HAVING to watch the Fall Guy because of Heather Thomas.Also, I would add one more to your listing of unrealistic shows of the 70’s and 80’s,that some of us loved,MacGyver.Hell he built airplanes,stoped armed to the teeth maniacs without a gun,and cured cancer,all with a Swiss Army knife and a roll of duct tape.Never thought it was realistic for a moment,but I enjoyed watching it.

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steve adams said,
February 19th, 2008 

Seriously…
I thought MacGyver was a comedy?
^
Looking at that list you come to realise, WOW tv used to suck bigtime. (Well kinda still does).
^
Its clear to see how many options we have nowadays.

I remember watching some of those shows because there was no internet or cable. Looking back, I don’t want to see any of them remade.
^
I’ve talked to alot people that don’t post here and the majority (all really) of them thought this Knight Rider show was absolutly comically horrid.

If NBC does greenlight it I’m betting it will last as long as Journeyman.
(And that’s an insult to Journeyman).

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darkbhudda said,
February 19th, 2008 

Some shows have really bad pilots but turn out to be good series. Heck, Torchwood had a really bad 1st season. The second season is so much better it’s hard to believe it’s the same people.

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Andy said,
February 19th, 2008 

Damn Steve, you’re probably one of the most cynical people on here. LOL

Let me guess, you LOVE the new Battlestar Gallactica series, right?

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steve adams said,
February 19th, 2008 

That sucks for me I just picked up Torchwood season 1 on dvd.
^
So far I’ve only seen the first episode.
It reminded me of the first episode of Doctor Who (the new series) with Rose Tyler.
It had almost the exact same character plotline.
^
I like Capt Jack I hope they keep the flaming down I’ve heard there’s lots in this show. That’s prob the main gripe I’ll have about it. (I hope your wrong Darkbhudda).
Cost me 60bucks. I purchased it on the fact that its made by the same folks at Doc Who productions.
^
I sure wish they would make a Red Dwarf film.

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February 19th, 2008 
Bhudda,

Good point. It takes some shows a while to find their groove. I hear “The Sarah Connor Chronicles” has gotten better lately, although I haven’t been watching it.

Vic

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Tom said,
February 19th, 2008 

For the record I think remaking of old T.V. series and movies are generally a bad idea.We become to fond of the actors and actress’s who portray the roles in the shows we liked and nobody can replace them.So I think it’s futile to try,for the most part.

I have 2 more shows to add to your list Andy,Crime Story,and the first 2 seasons of Wiseguy,of course Steve will rag on these too because we have not included Murder She Wrote.lol

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steve adams said,
February 19th, 2008 

What makes you say that Andy?
^
BSG, well I have all of the seasons on dvd because I picked them up cheap… I just recently picked up the BSG 1980 dvd for like 10 bucks.
^
But Andy I’ve only watched maybe 5 episodes I don’t have cable so I only see them on dvd. I didn’t like the changes at first but then since nothing else is going on right now on sci-fi for tv was like ,yeah whatever.

The episodes I have watched have satisfied and have frustrated.
Adama and the female president are very hard to deal with. Cylons killing humans at the same time want to be treated like humans and gaining support from some that arte on the front lines and have seen the death these bastards cause well that really pisses me off. Baltar I guess he’s a good actor cause everytime I see that F’! I want to strangle him and why o why dosnt anyone notice he’s talking to himself?

cynical yea prob?

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steve adams said,
February 19th, 2008 

Yea Vic Sarah Connor show is getting better.
^
I’m not happy with there wiping out T3’s timline but whatever.
^
Did anyone notice the obvious nod to T2, co-writer William Wisher last night?

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steve adams said,
February 19th, 2008 

That’s harsh Tom!
^
Crime Story is one of my favorite shows of that time.
I have all episodes on dvd.
^
Its amazing to see Torello take down Ray Luca with payphones and revolvers.
^
murder she wrote come on I wouldn’t even go that low with an insult.

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Andy said,
February 19th, 2008 

First I am going to say that I LOVED MacGyver! That show was a lot of fun, even with the impropable stunts, etc. Besides, it’s pretty much spawned whole episodes of Mythbusters! LOL!

Steve, I can’t STAND the new Battlestar. I watched about 3 episodes of it and just stopped. Maybe growing up with the original left me uncomfortable with this new, very DARK version. Why does everything have to be dark these days? Is it a result of 9/11 and the endless war in Iraq? I don’t know, but I would sure LOVE some levity in new scifi shows. I think that is why I love the new Dr. Who series. It pays homage to the old, but is all new, too.

As for the new Terminator series, I think it has gotten MUCH better. I don’t miss it. I’m still not crazy about the teenage Terminator, but it’s still a good show that has the spirit of the first 2 movies. I actually think this series is BETTER than T-3. I hope it is on for a while and doesn’t get the JOURNEYMAN treatment.

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steve adams said,
February 19th, 2008 

Well if this site proves anything its that we all have different Sci-fi taste buds.
^
MacGyver to me was B tv. Same with Stargate SG1. (Bring it SG1 fans!)
^
BSG, it should be a dark show and I was a HUGE fan of the orignal. Who knows maybe all hate it?
I sure hate that Baltar character.
Where the wireconed head Lucifer. Ah I miss him.
^
Doctor Who (the new series) is nothing short of brilliant tv. I have all 3 seasons on dvd and I’m up to season 3.
^
Terminator Sarah Connor Cronicles. Is getting better but I hate her balck hair and also how they are wiping out T3. I loved T3 Andy,,,
^
Its all Different Strokes for different folks boys. (Boy that sounded gay). Nevermind.
I’m in trouble now again its all your fault Andy!!!!

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Tom said,
February 20th, 2008 

Steve you think Murder She Wrote is a low insult,imagne the torture of having to watch it every Sunday because it’s family night in the house hold.

IMO the new Battlestar Galactica is crap,they turned it into a freaking soap opera!

T3,I liked it too Steve,I thought it was hilarious.

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steve adams said,
February 20th, 2008 

That sucks Tom, I was just kidding around about that being an insult.
(I kid around alot here). I bet you were praying for a Murder she Wrote cancellation. Haha.
^
Yea I have serious probs with BSG but I do like the show at the same time.
I though the Pegasis 2 prter was really pretty good but I do need to really start from the beginning on that. I’ll have more to say later on BSG…
^
T3, halarious? Well I really thought it was great…
^

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Andy said,
February 20th, 2008 

Wow, Steve! Harshing on SG-1! I love that show-Ori and all!! I also really like Stargate: Atlantis. Heck, I even like Flash Gordon, which alot of people said was awful. Guess it grew on me!!

I’m not saying I didn’t like T-3, but I think this storyline is better….

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Tom said,
February 20th, 2008 

Steve were cool,alot of what I say is in jest too,you haven’t offended me or anything.

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steve adams said,
February 20th, 2008 

Thanks Tom, its been nothing but damage control for me here lately.
^
On Sarah Connor show, I just fear that the events in the tv show are going to carry over to the new film.
I have a bad feeling the next film is going to suck. :)

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Tom said,
February 20th, 2008 

I know what you mean Steve,Vic took me to the wood shed last week.

I’m with you on the next Terminator film sucking,it doesn’t seem the movie series and the T.V show would mesh well.

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steve adams said,
February 20th, 2008 

Yea I’m just not a fan of SG1. I know alot folks here like that show so I won’t go any further my any comments.
^
Feel the same way about Smallville too.

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February 20th, 2008 
“Vic took me to the wood shed last week.”

Heh, thanks for the laugh, Tom. :-)
Vic

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Andy said,
February 21st, 2008 

Good news!! It’s airing again on Saturday night!! WOO HOO! ;)

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steve adams said,
February 21st, 2008 

Thanks for the warning Andy.

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February 21st, 2008 

I. THinK Nite rider is poO pOoo.

!

MiKeey :\

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JC said,
February 22nd, 2008 

What was the original KITT’s coolest ability? TURBO BOOST!! I can’t believe for a possibly new series they wouldn’t introduce or show us the new KITT’s ability to turbo boost or anything else like his micro-wave jam ability, computer hacking ability, etc. That car chase scene went on way too long. For a super high tech car why did it take a near miss accident to stop the bad guys. Probably the only reason I watched the show when I was 12 was the anticipation of a cool car chase. I didn’t care who Michael Knight was going to make out with. I wanted to see something that my dad’s car didn’t already do. If there was an episode that didn’t have turbo boost in it than it better have had a really interesting story. The new Knight Rider had neither. I was very disappointed. Even my 9 year old said, “lets watch the old show dad” which I have on DVD. Hope the series can add substance if it’s picked up.

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Jim Carey said,
February 23rd, 2008 

An NBC executive came up with the idea of Knight Rider while driving the Bionic Woman to the unemployment office. Oh, and did you see the scene where the car had to swerve to avoid something lying in the middle of the road? Turns out it was David Hasselhoff.
(Credit: Jay Leno’s Joke Writers)

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skorpion said,
June 9th, 2008 

not that im critising you review i dont have a problem with it. i just want to clear up an issue. most PhD canditates well sicence ones at least usually get offered alot of money to study there phd at different collages. and this isnt grant money either to fund their research its a salary or bribe or what ever u want to call it.

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CanuckLou said,
September 21st, 2008 

Compared against the original - which was cornball to begin with - this one will probably be on par with that.

If one wants or needs a light show to round out their viewing menu I highly recommend Chuck as an alternative to this one.

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Ragazzaccio said,
September 24th, 2008 

To be honest i dont know where to even begin. I swear this show was an absolute atrocious, and that’s seriously an understatement. I was expecting it to be horrible but it was litterally about 5x worse than I actually expected it would be and thats an understatement as well. It reminded me of one of those stupid teen shows and I seriously felt like vomiting within 15 minutes of watching it. It has a horrible plot, horrible story line, and horrible acting. Val Kilmer as the voice of Kitt? I’d seriously like to know what genius casted that douchebag. Val should NOT be playing KITT. Val himself has absolutely no personality and I honestly hate every part he ever played, except maybe for the weed man he played in Entrourage. But my point is..what made the original Knight Rider so successful was that Kitt wasn’t just car of Micheal Knight… he was a great character! Also making KITT a mustang..HUGE MISTAKE! It’s like NBC had to strip the soul of the memories we all have of the original show and make a mockery out of it. To be honest this may be the worst remake, if not the worst show ive ever seen. I seriously hope it does not go far cuz the creator of this show deserves to go bankrupt and hopefully never produces a piece of crap like this ever again.

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PrisonBreak said,
September 24th, 2008 

I just watch Knight Rider moment ago… Its not what I really wanted… Show was pretty much CRAP… Waste my time… Highly NOT recommended!!!

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Lusent said,
September 25th, 2008 

Val blows as Kitts voice, and a mustang… not watching that crap.

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FG said,
October 2nd, 2008 

So here comes KnightRider and we thought - hey this is probably a show our 10 year old son could watch during prime-time! Pretty Cool! After two episodes (actually one and a half because we had to turn it off) the show is nothing more than really bad, soft-porn. The dialog sounds like its written by an over-testosteroned 15 year old who has never been on a date. The show is just absolute trash. What are the writers thinking? How many times can we get the main female character in her underwear or a bikini during an hour long show? - oops we forgot - we have to do some cheesy car stuff now - okay - back to babes with hard bodies and some really bad sexual inuendo dialog…you all should be fired and ashamed…

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October 2nd, 2008 
@FG

Yeah… I’m with you. While the 2nd episode was better than the first (that still doesn’t mean it was “good”) the amount of gratuitous skin worked into the plot was ridiculous. And next week seems to be more of the same.

Yeesh.

Vic

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John "Kahless" Taylor said,
October 2nd, 2008 

Yeah, the show needs to get better fast. For me, it just seems the main actor (and I use that term loosely) is just not that good, or maybe it’s the writting or directing that’s not very good.

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