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Screen Rant says:

Niall,

Considering how much I know you were looking forward to this, very even handed review. I have to agree about that “outdoor” scene at Area 51. Honestly I spent more time looking at the background than at what was going on in the scene because I couldn’t wrap my head around the fact that it looked like a shot from the original Star Trek series where they filmed in a soundstage and tried to make it look like the a planet exterior.

And yeah, the jungle scenes… there were about 3 hits to the crotch too many, and the it seemed like the two vehicles during the sword fight were riding on rails or on a freshly paved road instead of a just-created, rough trail.

Did you know that there were over 450(!) CGI shots in this movie???

Vic

Screen Rant says:

Oh, and what was up with the over use of CGI gophers??? Once would have been funny, but jeez…

Vic

nowhereman says:

Niall-
Your review falls pretty much un line with mine. It was an enjoyable movie experience for sure, but I think that those of us (me in particular…) may fall prey to our expectations of how the movie is executed technically. All your observations are right on the mark.

Did anyone else jump and get a subsequent nervous laugh when Indy pops up and blows the dart back into the mayan’s throat???

I loved that bit and found it to be refreshingly original.

I just wish that I could go see a film like this through a child’s eyes, with no knowledge of how the shots were achieved, or any concern over how it stacks up against its predicessors, don’t you?

P.S. Vic-
I agree the gophers were overused, but you have to admit…he looked a lot better than he did in Caddy Shack! ;)

jerseycajun says:

Speaking of overused CGI, did anyone else notice that Indy’s first use of his bullwhip in the film was CGI’ed (where he yanks the gun out of the Russian soldier’s hands and has it land in Ray Winstone’s)? I mean, it was completely distracting! How can you not use practical effects there?

jerseycajun says:

“Did you know that there were over 450(!) CGI shots in this movie???” – Vic

I wonder if Spielberg et. al. remember that the original “Raiders” (still the best) didn’t have any CGI shots and yet still produced practical effects shots that stand up even today.

Screen Rant says:

Jersey, of course they do. The CGI issue has been raised by many and the response has been that they used the most VFX they had at the time and they did the same today.

Vic

jerseycajun says:

I know, it’s just I expected a bit more wisdom about where each kind of effect is best used: practical vs. CGI.

My point was that in several cases practical effects would have been better suited than the CGI they used in the film.

ink says:

Naill,

I think you may have seen this movie with your Indy blinders on. I didn’t think it was that good. Maybe 3 out of 5 at best. It severely lacked the “feel” of the first three movies. And while some of the action was very good some stuff i just sat there saying to myself, or my brother who was beside me, “Oh c’mon”. Maybe it was because i saw Ironman right before going in to see this one but I was disappointed. And aliens? Seriously, aliens?

Bvance says:

Great Review:

Interestingly enough it’s been 48 hours since i’ve seen Indy 4 and the more I think about it, the movie is really growing on me. Same with any of you other guys?

I think that probably like others, I already had imagined how this film should be and since it wasn’t, I was pretty disappointed. BUT, after remembering parts I laughed at, and action scenes I enjoyed I really want to see this movie again so I can focus more on the plot and fun dialogue.

Maybe it wasn’t as bad as I had originally thought it was. I come to this reasoning because I have a BIG desire to go and see it again.

Screen Rant says:

Nope, it hasn’t grown on me. I posted elsewhere that I tried watching it a second time, got bored and walked out.

On the other hand although I’ve already seen Iron Man three times I’m getting the itch to go see it again.

Vic

Simone says:

nowhereman says, I just wish that I could go see a film like this through a child’s eyes, with no knowledge of how the shots were achieved, or any concern over how it stacks up against its predecessors, don’t you?

Totally agree with you on this one and because this is what I did I thoroughly loved it. I have seen it twice already and will most definitely have a 3rd viewing again this week!

Gary says:

I am with Simone on this one,
I saw it and LOVED it!
Sorry that others here didnt like it.
I hope this isnt the last Indy adventure.

Bvance says:

I agree with Simone, I’m going to go and see it again next week.

This time, I’m just going to enjoy the movie and not compare and critique it with the other Indy films like I did on the first viewing.

Niall says:

I will be checking it out again. I hope that I still enjoy it and what I didn’t like is less obvious on a second viewing.

Niall

Bvance says:

Well, I just got back from my second viewing of Indy 4 and I have to tell you guys, it was soooooooo much better than the first time.

I actually figured out the plot and found myself smiling at all the good scenes. The crazy thing is the jungle chase scene. CGI or not, I break a sweat just watching it. It’s something that hasn’t happened to me in a movie for some time.

The second time was pure FUN and I would recommend another viewing to anyone who was skeptic the first time or who just wants to understand the plot better.

First viewing I gave it 3 out of 4 stars and my second time oddly enough it’s now 4 out of 4!

Rapid RIver says:

The desert scenes were incredible. For whatever reason they truly captured the late ’50s for me. The jungle scenes were okay, but the ending just didn’t make sense. Were the aliens good or bad? If they were bad did Jone bringing them back to life hurt the world? If they were good what good did they do for the world. Total Recall had the alien technology helping the heroes save the planet. If Indy hadn’t helped the aliens — so what? the bad guys would have been destroyed by the aliens anyway. So my question is what is the story about? There just was no real story.

Benrai says:

Rapid, in response to your comment – I wouldn’t say the aliens were “Good” or “bad”. They just awaited the return of the lost skull.

However, the crystal skeletons’hive mind/the alien entity with them obviously was aware Irina and co wanted to use its powers for nothing but bad reasons. (The skulls have psychic connections, remember,and Irina even stated in front of one what she intended to do with its power).

Without Indy the Russians probably would have perished anyway – but Indy didn’t know that. Also, it kind of echoes The Last Crusade – even Raiders. The Nazis would have opened the ark, and they’d have died anyway and the ark would have been lost forever on a unknown small island. – The Grail was a “No prize” as its powers didn’t work over the seal.

steve says:

See, there is the difference. The original Star Wars trilogy and Indiana Jones Trilogies have always been special to me. Though I used to rag on temple of doom for many reasons, it’s still acceptable.

But Mr Lucas has lost it. Even those who you used to respect can lose it. The man can’t write his way out of a wet paper bag anymore. He’s no longer innovative, and the CGI? I agree that it’s souless… Why? Seriosuly? When you had awesome truck chase scene from the original indiana jones do you need this cartoonish cheesie CGI stuff? It’s not just this movie, it was the star wars prequels too.
He put Aliens as the main plot? Area 51? Nooo!

But what really lost my respect for him was his remastering of the original movies. Changing things like Han shooting first, or all the stuff he threw in the background, putting Christianson in Jedi. And that’s all fine, but give us the originals to have… it’s like davinci changing the mono lisa… and not letting us see the original. It’s art in it’s original form, let us have the option.

OK, this is available now.. finally, but for a man who was originally upset at colorizing the three stooges because it was modifying a classic in it’s original form? This guy just lost all my respect years ago.

Thinks I hate:

- CGI
- Jar Jar Binks
- All of episode II
- Mitochlorians.. thanks for ruining the magic of the force… really
- Space Alien plot in IJ4
- and i’ll throw in an oldy. ewoks….

Benrai says:

Hi Steve, the original Indy and original Star Wars have also always been very special to me. And for the record – I never had a problem with Temple of Doom myself.

I lost respect for George Lucas with the Star Wars prequels, they were totally awful on all levels. The characters were awful, the fact rubber aliens had been replaced totally with CGI, and CGI landscapes – everything was CGI. I don’t hate or dislike CGI itself, but when an entire film is made up of it – it ruins it. However, although Indy 4 had CGI within, it really didn’t have a lot compared to most movies now days and I advise you watch the making DVD if you haven’t cause there is a lot that could be mistaken for CGI within it, that isn’t.

ALiens as a plot doesn’t bother me, they tried to link it to a relgious aspect which is what Indy is about, I liked the angle they took. Although they could have done it better.

As for Ewoks, I really never disliked them. I just always saw them as a representation of pureness and simplicity to express how bonding/care can overthrow cold evil (the empire). Mitochlorians suck however.

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