• 790
    Good review Vic. I agree the film was a bit detached I think some of the scenes should have been cut a little tighter. (This seems to be Mann's weakness in his old age, see Miami Vice)
    Also the handheld Digital cameras they were using distracted me at least twice in the film. I would have prefered a Steadycam on those shots.
    I thought the HD look of the film was stunning. Forget 3D! I think/hope this is the next step in movie picture quality. It really looked amazing in some shots. Very clean,,,
    Also the sound effects on the Tommy Guns, etc were very authentic. They sounded like the black powder lower quality weapons of that era.

    One thing that kinda let me down was the ending. I realise Mann was sticking to the original history of Dillenger so It was acceptable,,,but there was a great hiest about to go down that we missed.
    :-(
    Overall Depp was pretty damn Depptastic and always had a cool southern drawl going. Bale was also pretty anal (in a good way) as the FBI agent in charge. His performance makes his acting in Terminator Salvation look twice as bad as it was. ;-)
    Marion Cotillard was pretty good as well. She went from annoying to redemable in the end...
    Lastly I think the score was half assed,,, a more invested sountrack would have added more life to this film... Still a summer film to watch at least once. Its worth the money.
  • 790
    "Dillinger" 8-O
    Doah!!
  • 790
    Additional,,, it was a very low-key storyline but it was interesting to see the Federal Governments rise to power in this film.
    Interesting to see Hoover played as a good guy... Guy ended up as a total traitor to this country. (IMO)
  • Ken J
    Blasphemous! Johnny Depp and Christian Bale in a movie and someone didn't say it was 5 out of 5??? MOB MOB MOB!!! lol, just kidding. I never really understood the huge deal some people make out of those two...
  • 790
    Ken J, I met Jonny Depp once and he's a totally real dude that is very appreciative of his fans. Very nice guy for an A-list actor.
  • ogb
    Ken J, not to call you out, but you're the most negative person on this board. Every single time you have some wannabe witty remark about how bad something was.

    Anyway, this movie was great, but there was that certain something that was missing. Heat had it. This didn't. Still great though.
  • 790
    Ogb, yeah I agree, I'm going to end up buying this movie on dvd. Great performances.
  • jago
    i liked it but i still find it weird that with those 2 big names... depp and bale it was sooo low key. Depends on the extra features for me to get it on dvd...and/or blu-ray.
  • LAW
    @ogb
    I agree with Ken J. Let me start by saying really enjoyed this movie (far more than gayformers) but people make a big deal out of Depp and Bale when there is nothing there to make a big deal out of. They are both mediocre actors that get the praise of godly proportions. Depp is a far better actor than Bale but neither of them deserve the praise they usually receive.

    I will be buying this movie on Blu-Ray when its released.
  • Foopher
    "Depp is a far better actor than Bale but neither of them deserve the praise they usually receive"

    bite your tongue
  • SK-47
    Saw this yesterday, absolutely agree with your review Vic, it was surprisingly not a truly epic Mann film or something that might have resembled a true sequel to The Untouchables which I was expecting.
    Depp is good in the role and I prefer this Depp over his usual eccentric characters, but Bale, he was just there. Take out Bale and replace him with anyone else and it would be the same effect.
    Billy Crudup as Hoover was fantastic, and also Stephen Lang, he truly owned this picture with the amount of time given.
    790, I have the book which this film is based on, very detailed account of what happened and this film has taken liberties with the story line--the killing of Pretty Boy for instance, but the book is basically how the FBI rose to power during the time and it is a good read.
    Unlike you though, I did not enjoy the HD. I think Rob Keyes or Ross Miller said it best that this type of film needed to be on print instead of HD which I know Mann loves now.

    Overall, best movie of the summer I would say. Then again, this is really the only film I have seen this summer.
  • @jago

    Hang on... you actually AGREE with me? :-P

    Vic
  • LAW
    @Foopher
    Bite my tongue?
    I dont understand why i should. Thats my opinion.

    After thinking about who they receive praise from, i am 100% sure that you a girl that is 12-25 years old.
  • Tim "Cloverfield"
    Good job Vic....I came in with low expectations after what Trans II did to us.....but I did enjoy the film. Mann seemed like he wanted to go in a couple of different directions, but he righted the ship. Historic value? I just don't know about that....But I liked the performances of the actors and getting to be a bigger Depp fan, I am enjoying more of his work. He is one actor who is true to the craft. Mr. Bale came across like he was in Yuma 2 at times. However I really dug the HD camera work and hand held shots. It is the 21st century and I think the HD can work in "period pieces" I think 3.5 is spot on! I have to give 790 props on his STRK comments. I was thinking the same thing, almost an after thought? The score could have been stronger.
  • ogb
    I'd say Bale and Depp are a big deal as far as acting goes. They both have amazing range.


    Depp went from being an actually believable, charismatic pirate to playing one of the most famous bank robbers.

    Bale, although a little less range, still managed to pull off a Hispanic accent/dialect in Hard Times, lost 60 lbs for Machinist, got the British accent perfect in Prestige and nailed the part of a cocky billionaire in Dark Knight.


    Those are true, talented actors.

    Actors like Kevin Costner and to a lesser degree Tom Cruise, Will Smith, Clint Eastwood, who are considered stars and great actors, don't appeal to me that much. They play the same guy, in different roles. Rarely do they alter their acting for the role. It's fine that people like them for being in good movies, or their personalities, but as far as acting, Bale and Depp will blow them out of the water each time.

    I'd say one of the greatest actors of the last few years is Heath Ledger just because of what he was able to do as the Joker. It was just amazing to watch. That's true acting to me.
  • Foopher
    Depp and Bale are both awesome.

    ...and i'm not a girl
  • Foopher
    but that's you're opinion and i'm cool with that
  • librarylady
    foopher, I'm not a girl either. I'm a 65 year old woman. Depp got me with "Scissorhands" and hasn't stopped since. I guess you either see it or you don't.
  • Steve
    Out of curiosity, what is the violence/gore like in the film? Is there a good film to compare it to? I am trying to convince my girlfriend to go and she can't handle gore/blood.
  • @Steve

    There's some blood, but it's nowhere near horror-movie level.

    Vic
  • 790
    Sk-47, I was just stating that acuracy thing on how we didn't get that train heist. :-)

    Steven, the film was just as voilent as say "Heat" there's no heads flying off but there's plenty of gunshot wounds and some slapping around...
  • Great Review, I kinda loved the film.
  • jago
    @vic
    lol... i have agreed with you before... look at the star trek review if your able to find my post. I just don't agree with you on transformers and a couple of others that i really like for my own reasons. I don't believe there are bad movies or good movies... just the movies "YOU" (YOU=each and every person) like or dislike... feel the same way with other means of entertainment.

    "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
    William Shakespeare...
  • Foopher
    By "not a girl" i maent i'm a guy.

    I just happen to think Johnny Depp is an amazing actor. Is that so wrong?
  • @jago

    Gonna disagree with you there - there are absolutely "good" movies and "bad" ones. I feel the same way about people. 8)

    Vic
  • jago
    @vic
    lol... then we agree to disagree and that right there is just another thing we disagree on...lol.
  • i really liked it, loooved the shooting scenes; those shotgun blasts (the sound) in the cabin scene were intense. I love digital sound! :). It was a little bit long, those "dramatic stare downs or pause scenes were a little long.
    Over all good action, awesome action, good story.

    My biggest peve was..
    ******spoiler********
    ******


    the end scene were john was shot down.. cgi blood..and it was was cgi blood. took me out of the whole movie. they should not have showed it in slow-mo. yuck.

    but i agree with your review. 3.5. go see this instead of transformers. blackbird
  • 790
    @Iggy O Horror how else do you show blood pouring out of his face?
  • @790 u consult some horror special effect... do the cgi good or dont show the blast at all and just come back to the shot.. i just really hate cgi blood and cgi gore effects.. ya know especially in horror movies when u can use a simple rig up and corn syrup :P lol
  • 790
    Huh, I thought the effect looked real good. Had no probs with any of the vfx in the film.
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