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5 Simple Changes That Would Make ‘Prometheus’ Better (For Fans Of ‘Alien’)
by Vic Holtreman
(6 of 5)
There has been a lot of debate regarding the connection between Prometheus and Alien. Some people think it's enough that Ridley Scott's latest film takes place in the universe established by his original (and fantastic) film way back in 1979, while others feel that Prometheus should have been a more proper prequel that gives answers to some of the unanswered questions from the original film (read our review).
The purpose of this article is not to debate the merits (or faults) of Prometheus, or to suggest that answers about The Engineers be answered - rather it is to present five very small changes that could have been made to the movie (and would not change the storyline at all) - that would have made it dovetail perfectly with the original film.
Needless to say, there will be plenty of spoilers for not only Prometheus, but Alien as well.
The purpose of this article is not to debate the merits (or faults) of Prometheus, or to suggest that answers about The Engineers be answered - rather it is to present five very small changes that could have been made to the movie (and would not change the storyline at all) - that would have made it dovetail perfectly with the original film.
Needless to say, there will be plenty of spoilers for not only Prometheus, but Alien as well.
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Jimmy Dean- that is my point, no one knew what that substance was and what effects it had. we are all just assuming on what we think it was. This movie explained NOTHING!!!! And if it does changes things into violent abberations, then the acid tjat melted the face shield should have killed that guy and that snake that attached itself and broke the arm of the other guy should have morphed or changed him in to something violent. The boyfriend should have been allowed to transform into whatever he was going to change into and not take the easy way out by killing him off. I thought that was a cheap move by the writers. Not to mention becuase he was infected that sex with Shaw bred the squiddy thing. and no words, screams, or anything from the jockey when tangled with that squid was as if he was a violent abberation. I in fact wanted the jockey to win that battle but briefly.
I actually talked about this in another post already. The snake shot acid at the individual, it melted his helmet and severely damaged him. He fell with his helmet busted into the goo and turned into that crazy, pumped up creature that attacked the ship later on. The goo transformed him the same as the maggot into the snake. We don’t know if the snake simply killed the other individual or if he gave way to something else, we just don’t see that. We can assume it simply killed him the same as the transformed geologist just started killing all the other shipmates. The boyfriend scene was actually a pretty good nod to what should have taken place in Alien when Ripley stated the infected individual was NOT going to be allowed on the ship, even if that meant he would die. It was standard protocol, it was meant for the safety of the crew and they all knew the stakes. He knew what was happening and that he was done no matter what. As for the Engineer squid fight, he let out several grunts, but no screams, for sure. He’s a soldier, supposed to be the baddest of the bad, which means he’s not going to scream. He either wins or dies. It was exactly the image Ridley wanted to give his soldier Engineer.
No, the guy cut the snake and acid splashed on his helmet the snake regenerated and went into the mouth it was latched onto
Yeah, the snake was cut, it shot acid onto the other guy who fell into the goo with his helmet broken open and went into the other man’s mouth. When they find the two men, the snake shoots out of the man’s eye socket, escapes and the other man is lying face down in the goo. So, we can assume the snake simply killed the one and the goo transformed the other the same as it had the snake. The snake wasn’t impregnating anyone, it was just transformed into some hyper aggressive little beast, same as the geologist who grows in size, is deformed and starts killing everyone. Not everything is a face-hugger.
Agree with everything accept that they didnt find the other guy until he showed up at the ship in that Xeno sitting or squatting position. wasnt a fan of seeing that either.
Think i will like this movie more (if at all lol) once the sequel comes out. As of right now, it is just a prologue to a bigger story. Which is sorta frustrating.
Shouldn’t a movie be able to stand on it’s own two feel though?
I feel like all these people that are saying “bah! I’m sure the sequel will explain everything”, are just looking for excuses to like a movie that, in actuality, has a story with too many plot holes and unlikable characters.
I felt it did just fine on its own and while I would like a sequel simply because I love Ridley’s sci-fi ventures, I don’t feel this movie needs one at all. To me, it seems people use “plot holes” as a generic term for not liking it, as no one expands on these specific “plot holes”.
I completely agree that people just generally use the term “plot holes” when they don’t like a movie, but TRUST ME mate: I’m not that type of guy and this is certainly not that type of movie…
If you want to see people expanding on all the plot holes and stuff that made no sense, just head over to the spoiler discussion… personally, the whole thing just gives me a headache and I REALLY don’t want to get into particulars, but I’ve read through some of the stuff and everything that I found nonsensical/confusing has already been brought up there.
@TheAvenger
Oh I agree. I just have come to realize this was a prologue instead of an intro film, which it should have been. Felt more a favor to ‘Alien’ nostalgia then any kind of complete film. Very meh.
BTW
RHIS ISNT A CAR!
Writing this without reading the previous comments, so if something similar has been said I apologize. All of that would be nice for an Alien connection, but none of that would change all of the plot holes and poor writing of the story itself. So Damon Lindelof would still probably have vitriol spewed at him on Twitter.
I see that some people are saying that we shouldn’t hate on this movie for having plot holes, because they will probably make sense once we see the sequel. Well that’s just s***ty movie making imo. A movie should not have to rely on a sequel in order to make sense. A sequel can add to a story, make it deeper and richer, but any movie should be able to stand on its own without a sequel. I mean, I can even see needing to see part 1 of a series before part 2 will make sense, but needing part 2 (which may not ever happen) in order for part 1 to make sense is just ridiculous.
The fact that so many people have so many questions. The fact that there are so many debates and conversations about what certain things meant, why this happened, why he/she did this or that, is a bad sign. There should not be that many differing opinions on so many aspects of a movie. That’s weak story telling.
“The fact that so many people have so many questions. The fact that there are so many debates and conversations about what certain things meant, why this happened, why he/she did this or that, is a bad sign. There should not be that many differing opinions on so many aspects of a movie. That’s weak story telling.”
That’s generally the mark of story telling that didn’t spoon feed its audience :] There are some directors who find that creating something that engages people and promotes them to walk away talking about it and discussing it is the whole point. There are some questions that a sequel would probably address, namely what happens to Shaw and David and what’s the home world for the Engineers look like? But that certainly doesn’t reflect poorly on Prometheus… that’s just the natural state of a movie ending and people wanting to continue the journey of the protagonist. Which, seems like if that were the case, the movie was engaging after all or you simply wouldn’t care
i agree with your overall perception of storytelling and the thought provoking questions, but when when the questions are not provoking thought, their provoking intelligence, the things that happened and how or why they happened. Something as simple as the 2 women runniong rom the crashed ship in a straight line, the typical falling of a running woman. How the space jockey made it from his ship to her escape pod without his mask? the full grown xeno emerges with gums and regular teeth, The fact that the alien emerged pointy end first. some things just didnt make sense and people are asking sarcastically, REALLY?!?!?!? That just happened?!?!? Not a good thing for the movie that is supose to be a high caliber movie and when there are more people displeased with this movie than people pleased, that should say something.
Questions and/or gripes that made this a bad movie imo:
Why did Dave put the goo in Charlie’s drink? Motive? What was he trying to accomplish?
Weyland wanted this expedition so that he could basically find the fountain of youth, but he also seems to want David to infect Charlie with the goo? Be…cause…?
What did the good do? Was the stuff the dude drank in the beginning the same black goo from the rest of the movie? If it was, what did the goo do? Did it kill people or mutate them?
What was the goo? Was it a WMD? Why?
Why did the Engineers make star charts that lead them back to an apparent military base?
The fact that the captain decided that it was a military base and that the goo was a WMD was a leap of logic.
What were the engineers running from? What killed them?
Biologist calling the mutated snake thingy pretty and trying to pet it instead of being cautious is ridiculous.
Scientists taking their helmets off on an alien planet is ridiculous.
Shaw cuts an alien out of herself, and then just leaves it in the room. Nobody thinks this is a problem?
What was the thing that came out of her? Which really goes back to “what was the goo”, because that’s where that thing came from.
The 2 scientist who got left in the “cave”; what was the point of that? That did not progress the story whatsoever. One was killed by a giant worm; *that* meant nothing to the story. The other turned into a monster that they had to kill; *that* added nothing to the story.
In fact Weyland being on the ship was pointless and added nothing to the story also.
I don’t understand the Xenomorph at the end at all. Goo -> Man -> Woman -> Squid Thingy -> Engineer -> Xenomorph? What?
These are just a few questions and gripes. And really none of the characters were really fleshed out or interesting. Many of them acted in nonsensical ways at different points in the movie. None of them acted like you would expect a scientist to act.
I’ve seen a lot of different answers to a lot of the questions that this movie left open and to me that’s not a good thing. Because nobody really *knows*. Everybody just has possible theories. You hear things like, “My take on that was…”, “I think they did that because…”, nobody *knows*. The movie could be about any number of different things depending on which theory you subscribe to. That’s not writing a coherent story, that’s leaving me to write the story in my own head. And the story I write is different from the story the next guy writes. So we all got something different from it. The synopsis on the back of the DVD should just say “you figure it out”.
And none of my gripes have anything to do with expectations or wanting a relationship to Alien. I’m fine with no relationship to Alien (in fact I wish there was less) and my expectations were low going into it.
The problem is the continuity regarding the fossilization of the Space Jockey. If they did it the way suggested here, then the Space Jockey would have to become a fossil in just 30 years. Couldn’t happen.
The space jockey in the first Alien appeared, APPEARED fossilized BECAUSE he was wearing a suit that looked like stone or like a fossilized dinosaur skeleton. That is merely an incorrect assumption made by the Nostromo crew members at the time they first viewed the dead space jockey. Fossilization occurs by minerals replacing the bone structure over time if the space jockey was in fact “fossilized” how did it happen when he was sitting in his space ship’s pilot seat? Is every scientific observation correct when it is first made? More aptly put, are intergalactic coal miners qualified to make a scientific observation of fossilized material of an alien origin on a desolate planet not know to have life?
Come one people use your imaginations a little.
Nup, Ridley said. Fossilized.
basically the engineer and his space suit have fossilized into one, over time.
I LIKE THE MOVIE YOU GUYS DIDN’T BECAUSE UR EXPECTATIONS WERE TO HIGH FOR THIS MOVIE MINE WEREN’T BESIDES IT OPEN THE DOOR FOR NEW ELEMENTS.
FOR EXAMPLE THEM ALIENS THAT WERE RUNNING AWAY FROM WHAT EVER AND THAT LAST ONE GOT HIS HEAD CUT OFF COULD OF BEEN FROM SOMETHING.
I PERSONALLY THOUGHT IT COULD OF BEEN A PREDATOR, HEY ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. THE MOVIE WAS GOOD ITS WHAT I EXPECTED WASNT EXPECTING A TDKR TYPE OF MOVIE.
Why would they be running from the Predators or anything, according to some people, they’er supposed to sbe super soldiers on steroids. The stand taller than the predators by at least 2 feet. Whatever the case, they were all infected and all of their heads popped.
berserker they were just as tall as a predator. if your so smart
you would of known that the average predator is 7 feet. that alien look only a foot taller then micheal f. observe more. i got the movie on my ps3 so I knw what6 im talking about.
and “why would they run?” ummmmm maybe cause they just saw one of their steroid buddies get blown to bits by a small cannon mounted on a shoulder by a visible thing they cant see?
think next time guy that knows everything.
Right on Ben! I have been posting about this all day now on multiple threads dealing with this movie. The dead engineers found on the ship and shown in holographic video to the explorers who find their bodies clearly denotes another organism was present and chasing them. Judging by the living engineer’s reaction to the squid-face-hugger at the end one can assume that those mean, nasty, super-sized, elephantine-stone-suit wearing engineers are scared to death of SOMETHING….
The ship’s captain keeps getting blips on his hologram screen he is watching but every time he tells the guys on the ship about it they SEE NOTHING. There are already fully formed aliens nestled on the walls, ceilings, floors and they periodically change position as they watch and wait just like in Aliens 2 in the atmospheric generators. The beginning scene explains how this happened, a rogue engineer unleashes the viral substance while his species is mapping out and exploring LV-223 as a location for the alien seed project. A project that concludes with the intended test subjects coming to LV-223 using their ancient maps left on earth for them intentionally.
I’m personally a little upset to see another person think that the predators exist in the alien universe, AVP never happened it’s a “WHAT IF” series, they pull that stuff with a lot of comics too, like “WHAT IF Marvel met DC Comics” The idea of AVP itself is good, the existence of the second movie isn’t, that first wasn’t that bad but needs a lot of tweaking, and if any of you people have noticed Predator 2 the would be sequel of Predator has zero (if i remember correctly) relevance in Predators and more direct sequel to Predator, Predator 2 in it’s on sense tried to make everyone excited about AVP, and to make them think it was coming, Predator and Predators are in the Predator universe Predator 2 is in the AVP universe, and Alien is in the Alien universe along with Prometheus, why do you think AVP had no mention what so ever in the movie, and at that why in Predators if you want to believe they are the same universe had no mention of xenos and no bodies, no heads, no acid burns, the black (cant remember his name) mention nothing about xenos being hunted, because that was a hunting reserve, meant to hunt something with the sense of survival and will like a Pred, then the would have fought xenos, there would have been at least some leftovers or mention of them but there wasn’t. I’m sorry but DO NOT BRING THAT IDEA HERE, LEAVE PREDATORS OUT OF THIS, but by all means believe what you want, and if don’t think those batman vs. alien comics don’t exist you’re stupid, just go look for them.
Funny! It sounds like “fans” want a easy, straight, direct connection between Prometheus and Alien, or simply put… A DIFFERENT MOVIE! I’m sure some “fans” are already thinking about a reboot for Prometheus!
Obviously, Prometheus wasn’t meant to be a direct connection to Alien! Otherwise, Ridley Scott would’ve done so!
Rather or not the Studios and/or film maker(s) wanted to squeeze more money out of us by “forcing” a sequel or two, it shouldn’t have mattered IF you’re a TRUE FAN of the franchise! Otherwise, you could say that you hated this movie and have all the discussions you like (as others should respect that). But we should AT LEAST respect the creativities of the film makers, and not to change their products!
I completely disagree with purposed 5 changes the look of all the creatures evolved thru the movie. It made more sense to have the Aliens gradually change into what eventually came out of the engineer and R.Scott left it open for another movie.
Despite all the differences in views and opinions, this has been some good reading and I thank each and everyone of you for helping to expedite my work day. whether or not we agreed, i still believe I was mostly right with my expectations. LOL!!! anyway, have a great day
maybe there just rebooting the series?? i wouldnt doubt it
I posted just about the same thing as this on the Prometheus spoilers thread only I didn’t think about the xenomorph crawling to the ‘egg chamber’ which is a great idea Vic. However I would have included the Engineer setting off the distress beacon before the chest pop. But instead of a distress beacon it would be great if it was a warning beacon to other Engineers, which the crew in Alien could misinterpret to be a distress beacon!
I think this 5 things that need to be changed to the film is really dumb. The movie was great I loved it. I also knew it wasnt a prequal to Alien also. Ridley scottt even said IT WASNT to be one. There will be another film after this one. This was and only was a movie about the Spacejocky aliens. There probly will be one or even 2 more films they will then tie into the first Alien movie.
So this movie rocked it was sweet i Loved it, cant wait for the next movie or 2. Just hope its not goin to be 20 years from now.
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1791/ridley's-vision
Sort of my sumation of Prometheus and Alien
numbers 2,3,and 4 make no sense at all since you are basing it all on LV-426.Remember that this takes place on LV-223.Nothing relates to Alien concerning this planet and ship.The next installment your wishes may come true.
Um, Dave, the point is that these would all have to happen – of COURSE those would make no sense if #1 wasn’t done.
Sheesh.
Vic
Ladies and Gentlemen…Prometheus.
George Lucas shat on your childhood with star wars 1: revenge of the sith. Well, Ridley Scott just raped 1979.
This movie is not ‘Alien: the prequel”. It is “Daddy hates us and wants to kill us for some reason but we don’t have time to fully explain, were too busy packing a trilogy’s worth of storylines into 121 minutes.”
I went to this film as huge fan who saw the originally in in 9th grade and managed to avoid any internet peaks successfully. I noticed the poster and that was my first uh-oh
as i walked in beautifully stoned, excited that a master has returned to his subject. Within 20 minutes i hated this film.
Prometheus combined the worst traits of DePalma & Spielberg, in a story that would be fine as fanfiction but in a movie its too much back story, too many characters,
no 1 to care about, and a potential performance by Fassbender that began exquisite and was lost In The Mess That Is This Film.
Fassbender’s robot managed to reveal to a clever fan like myself an complete back story for his character I could not wait to see more of: a robot who has chosen his personality by observing
the performances of others, including nuanced quirks from the fictional movies he watches. It made him human and I could not wait to see more, although i had to control my “Why is this being shown to me?” from the two opening, disjointed scenes one of which said little while the other simply spelled it out for you. Fassbender would have been a great focus to follow, especially since robots have been both good and bad in the series and his character has self evolved to the point of being capable of wonder. ‘Will he choose the crew or experience?’ would have been a wonderful story to follow but he was quickly discarded to make way for ideas that expanded far beyond the essence of Alien. This script was written as if someone took images from the film (the Alien ship sitting dead on a planet, a robot head cut off its body, stuff coming out of bodies) along with both vague and oddly specific ideas about the prior plot (an evil corporation, a crew @ odds, the alien life cycle is important! In fact, let’s make it more complicated than neccessary for our scares!). The writers then tried to reverse engineer an explanation that is that is partially revealed in the first minutes But With A Twist! which, while clever, DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS FILM. It was as if Ridley had made a single panel painting with Alien, which was expanded into a triptych in Aliens 2-6 (incl. AVP) only to have Ridley return, get drunk and attempt an entire 360 degree diorama of new ideas in 2 hours. At no point does anyone go “Holy s*** this plot point completely shatters my world” although it keeps happening and happening. By the time an amazing reversal of the original chest burster scene arrived I still had no idea who that character was or what they were doing, I didn’t care I just thought it was cool. Although this is a decades long trillion dollar deep space expedition seeking the Ultimate Answer no one has bothered to create a chain of command. No one is in charge, certainly not the director of this film. Defenders are saying “It’s a Big ideas film” but the ideas are not new and what is different is not delivered as shocking. When their Trillionaire CEO is revealed to be alive! on the ship! the crew, one of which has just had an Alien abortion reacts like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISXiFJS9D5AI
The concept of religious sacrilege probably evolved as a result of the same feelings Prometheus has given me. Punishment.
Someone stop Ridley Scott before he decides replicants are actually just fancy Charlie McCarthy dolls with Dekker their Edgar Bergen. If the rumored Blade Runner reboot occurs under his watch I will burn down the sets and commit seppuku…I would rather see indiana jones and the crystal skull then this film ever again Insufferable little boys who win pod races on their way to becoming the greatest evil the universe has ever known is preferable to this atrocity.#stopridley scott
Guys relax. As an Alien fan, I liked it. It was a new adventure to a great franchise that paid homage to the past and wants to move the story arc forward. I find it ironic that Alien fans are pissed because it wasn’t spoon fed to us. The original story and it’s mysteries weren’t spoon fed to us. That’s what makes the movie fun. We used to see movies like this. Now, its dumbed down for all the people with ADD and have smart phones face hugging their heads.
A clever fan like yourself? You do realize that as soon as anyone reads that line, they will think your an arrogent prick? Im not saying you are one, but talking down to people isnt the most effective way to get your point across. And while your entitled to your opinion, i must disagree. This movie was great.
They don’t think that… they know.
Um… Star Wars 1 was The Phantom Menace. Revenge of the Sith was Episode III. Next time, don’t go to a movie stoned, and you’ll enjoy it.
ROFL!
Did you seriously just say “clever fan like myself” ? Wow
I really enjoyed Prometheus and I’m looking forward to seeing it again, but this was a logical article and a great read, Vic.
I went into it accepting that it was an Alien spin-off, not a direct prequel (like Phantom Menace for example), so I wasn’t too turned off by the connections between the two films. The one thing that did bug me was WHY it took place on LV-223 instead of LV-426. I was able to make the connections between Prometheus and Alien in my head and I can figure out what happened to the original 1979 Space Jockey, but I wonder why Lindelof and Scott decided to go this route instead of doing what you said. That didn’t kill the movie for me, it was just a little confusing.
In all honesty before I saw it, I was expecting Elizabeth Shaw to become the Alien queen that Ripley fights in Aliens. I know that sounds weird, but I thought that was what was going to happen.
I’m still coming up with my own theories about what happened and how everything connects, but if I write it all out now I think I might get a headache before bed…
I won’t lie the thought of Shaw becoming the queen occurred to me as well. The mutated dude and her inability to conceive prior to the events of the film I felt only reinforced this notion. However ultimately, I decided that notion was a bit far-fetched and contrived.
Although its a bit annoying that so many answers remain unanswered, its provides for the existence of the second(and possibly a third movie). Even though the characters do DUMB things that even a fool would understand not to do on an alien planet, the movie is sufficiently stunning to make up for those mistakes
For me a lot of things in the movie are conjecture by the characters, which in turn has had the effect of causing more conjecture and confusion among people who saw the movie. Whether it is a plot gimmick used by the writer(who does have a history of trying to be clever for the sake of it), or just a set up for a future movie again depends on who you ask.
Anyone who went into this looking for Aliens was going to be disappointed because that wasn’t even Ridley’s movie. People who thought it would explain a bunch of back story from the books and novels and anything related to Aliens vs. Predator were really reaching if they though Scott was even aware of half of that stuff, let alone beholden to use any of it.
As for other elements of the script, well when you have the same 10 people writing everything in Hollywood things are going to get cliche. The hapless crew doing stupid things made me chuckle too, but face it most of the time without those set-ups these movies would be a half hour long. Other things may come down to what preconceived ideas people may have had or just not being familiar with some of the ideas they borrowed from a lot of other sources.
My take on things is that maybe people are over-thinking certain things, making it much complicated than it is. The characters in the movie found something that made them think those beings were gods that created man for some purpose. Furthermore they labored under the belief that these aliens wanted to explain everything to them and in the old mans case grant him eternal life for some reason. None of that happened because aside from their own wishful thinking, nothing presented to them 100% suggested that would be the outcome. By the same token those aliens might not have created that material or even had that level of sophistication. Everything from the creation of humans to whatever happened to them at that station could have been nothing more than experiments gone wrong. The resulting xenomorphs that eventually run wild could have just developed on their own by way of a rapid form of evolution/adapting to whatever environment it comes in contact with. So in the end there may not have been some master plan at all, and it might have just been the “Engineers” did as many stupid things as the humans that followed them, disappointing as that answer may be……
Awful article. Prometheus was a better film precisely BECAUSE it did all of these things that you are descrying. Was it a perfect movie? Absolutely not. But Lindelof was 100% on the mark when he said he was actively avoiding “Phantom Menace Syndrome” by no doing the things you’re suggesting.
I disagree, this was phantom menace all over again
How could the Prometheus have landed on LV-426 in a prequel? Wouldn’t that mean that the crew of the Nostromo would know the history of where Prometheus flew and what they might find on the planet?
This is so freakin dumb.
From “Alien”, when they land, the whole concept of “Deep coal, way below the line” is just stupid.
How can you get coal if there were NO PLANTS?
Articles like this are just sad.
Especially when they are written and commented on by people that obviously have zero knowledge of maths, biology, physics, chemisty or any other technical subject.
@Cyberteque – You’re OK believing that large ALIENS that live on planets millions of light years away but you can’t suspend disbelief long enough to think coal can be produced without vegetation on other planets?
Um….yeah ok. Calm down and take a breath.
Paul Young
Actually the word is “cold”, meaning that although it’s “Rock, lava base” as Ash says it’s not recent, it’s cold.
Basically he’s saying there’s no current volcanic activity.
Look, the film started off as a direct prequel to Alien, that we know. Scott has said so himself. It probably did start off being set on LV-426, it probably did start off as a tale of the Engineer/Space Jockey that we have all seen before, it probably was going to finish with the chest, of the aforementioned Engineer bursting.
Then maybe, just maybe someone at The Company, er, I mean, studio realised the trilogy potential and “ker-ching!”.
Or maybe someone watched the direct prequel to another sci-fi classic, The Thing, which definately DID tie up all the loose ends and saw that it didn’t really work so tried to do something different.
Or maybe they noted the reaction to the Star Wars prequels where lots of references/in-jokes/nods (call them whatever) to the originals, didn’t help some fans take to those films and they tried to also avoid that fate.
Me? I was never once confused, the plotholes, while there didn’t distract from seeing one of the best sci-fi films of the last ten years. There will be more in this new franchise and I can’t wait. Nothing in it made any of the original Alien films apocryphal, these are alien lifeforms. We can’t put a human logic to the hows and whys of their evolutions, life-cycles etc.
Someone once said, “The Universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it’s stranger than we can imagine”. Google it and it comes up with too many different composers.
Roll on Prometheii, er, Prometheuss, erm Preparation H or whatever it’s gonna be called.
P.S if you definately want the AVP films to tie in then you have to go on the idea that the Predators stole the bio-engineering tech from the Engineers and also invented time travel…;-)
Thank you the first post i see from someone else knowing that Alien isn’t related to Predator or AVP, finally someone that makes sense.
Its funny that people are complaining about people complaining about this movie. 70% of people who saw this movie disliked this movie.
This movie reminds me of the Clash of the Titans remake when through the whole movie they talked about the Kraken, showed us where the Kraken defeated the other Titans (NOT SHOWING US THE BATTLE) and only show the Titans for 3 minutes.
forgive the fans who hated this movie because we expected a quality movie. It’s not about being spoonfed info about the space jockeys.
Its not about a humanoid looking alien who drinks some acid potion with deteriorates and corrodes his body and he falls into some water and we are supposed to believe that its Earth.
forgive us for expecting to see the beings that engineered the Xenomorphs and forgive us for wanting to know what relationship the Space Jockeys had with humans. forgive us for wanting to know why does the jockeys wait so long to want to destroy Earth, when they apparently visit earth so many times in the past and it would have been much easier to destroy mankind then before he became intelligent. That almost sound like the Predator culture, they wont attack you unless youre a challenge for them, no glory in it, but of course they are not a part of thid universe. Forgive us if we wasnt distracted by the special effects and all the high tech displays and wanted to see more about these engineers but couldnt due to a poorly written script. forgive those fans for not making sense out of a senseless movie.
Only showed the Kraken for 3 minutes
To say that 70% of people disliked this movie is just false…there is no basis for that statement
Sir there has been almost 3 times as many people griping about this movie as oppose to those who settled for what they saw
Again to say that 70% dislike it is just not true…just because there are people out here complaining doesn’t mean that everyone hated it. You are just making assumptions based on how you and some others feel. It’s certainly fine to dislike it and to complain about it, but making up a false number is wrong…
Uh, out of 100,000 people polled, 74% of them liked it. So, you’re blatantly wrong with your made up statistic.
Theyre, not true fans of the franchises. they were just distracted by the colors and displays
Lol, ok.
i talleyed up the names of the people who had negative things to say on this site alone, and my friend, 68.3% of the individuals on this site disliked this movie.
Then go to Rotten Tomatoes, my friend. 74% of the audience LIKED the movie. And it’s about the same for critics and top critics. And not to say your time spent tallying up comments on a movie fan site was pointless, but I myself had a negative thing to say about this movie on this thread but overall, enjoyed the film.
Ok, we obviously dont agree with the percentage of people who dislike this film. As far as these critics, they are just like us, i personally dont value their input on any film. although they may be paid for being a critic, i honestly dont think theyre input is crediblle. They’re not fans of the franchises like most of the fans here or anywhere. The fans who own the movies, the fans who have read all of the novels and comics, the true fans who have their own theories about what started with Alien and Aliens, not really counting alien 3 and ressurection.
My point being that this movie was highly touted, and if it was a ridley scott film, he bobviously forgot his roots, and disappiointed a great percentage of this franchises fans. when people bring up what movies he did well on, they should also mention the movies he crashed and burn as well proving that he does not have the midas touch
Now that I agree with…Ridley, over his career has made a lot of mediocre films, but you could say that about most directors. So what does that tell you? It’s extremely hard to make a movie, much less a good one, much less one that has over 30 years of expectations. And in the history of movies how many sequels/prequels have been successful after that much time has passed? Not too many.
Dont get me wrong, I’m not ridiculing anyones opinion and yes I was exaggerating with the percentages. I honestly dont think that its really that hard to make a movie especially when there is so many years of source material. Espcially when it is your baby. He could have went so many different ways with the Jockeys, especially when most people believed that they were spome elephant looking folks.
Dude, it’s not about agreeing or disagreeing on the percentage. It’s a poll and the majority of audiences liked the film. You can disagree that we’re posting on screenrant too if you want…
Did you like the film
It was awesome. But I wasn’t looking for brain dead AVP type action.
As an aside, the movie cost $130M to make and with its first week in the UK and first weekend in the US, it has made $141M. So, it is already gravy. That’s not a bomb.
Time well spent…
Cool article. Agreed…
it seems to me that this is the first movie of maybe 3.. the xenomorph is not yet evolved to the same degree as in the original ‘alien’ and aliens’. so, something is going to happen to assist the evolution… (maybe requires more pure ‘human’ DNA)
I dont think this was ever intended to be a direct prequel… but to show how the things developed whay before the nostromo even encounters LV426.
also this would seem like a major ‘rookie’ error on Scott’s part.. and I dont think that is likely either.
would also explain how ‘mother’ and ‘ash’ in the original ‘alien’ seemed aware of the creatures existence
crew expendable!
wait and see
I wished i never watched Prometheus and just watched the trailer over and over again. I was certain it was going to be an amazing film from those trailers. “WE WERE WRONG… WE WERE SO WRONG!!”
this is the one thing i didnt understand in the first movie alien .. there is all those eggs thee when they get there .. but only one opens up .. how long were they there waiting to hatch and why werent there more face huggers running around ?
just to clarify .. i am talking aboout the movie alien … when they discover the space jockey with the cheast burst open and there is alot of eggs everywhere .. should they have allready hatched or been hatching this whole time ? and also wouldnt they of explored the space jockey more is it possible that they allready knew of space jockeys ? so if anyone could answer these questions for me that would be awesome ..
if I remember correctly, they mentioned in ‘alien’ that there was a fine layer of mist that reacted when broken. Kane fell through the mist and seemed to ‘activate’ the egg by his presence. each alien (and eggs/facehuggers, etc) is different depending on the previous host and queen. so it may be that the aliens in ‘alien’ were ‘programmed’ to react to close proximity movement around the eggs. no point in popping a facehugger if there is no face to hug!
BUT only problem with that is there have been times where people have been straped down ,so no real movement just maybe waking up like we have seen in aliens and in aliens 4 where they have the people staped in with an egg right in front of their face and they just open up ..
so i dont know seems to me that they have to open up at a set time like a chick coming out of an egg .. also so do these things just kill and kidnanap to take back to the nest they dont really eat right ?but yet they will kill some but they will also just take them to make them host for face huggers .. so many questions i have about these things which is how i think most people feel ..
The first Alien was made without the intention of a sequel so establishing things like the eggs laying dormant until the layer of mist is broken wasn’t really a problem. But when sequels come along with new directors like Cameron and Fincher, they contribute their own ideas and make necessary changes serve their story better, unfortunately it messes with the continuity of the story. For instance, the designs of the xenomorph has evolved over the years as well (and I’m not referring to different xenomorphs born from different species, there have been subtle changes made to their general design). The best you can do is grin and bear it and enjoy each Director’s take on a very entertaining franchise.
yip, they do kill and kidnap… I never thought they ate their victims anyways. check the directors cut of alien for that 1. even in alien resurrection the eggs are in close proximity to a host…. so,could be hormone driven by fear as they wake up. in alien 3 there is no egg! I always assumed (and I think it is pointed out better in the directors cut again) that a face hugger or 2 had made it onto the sulaco before leaving LV426, it had to be, as the queen had already detached her birthing sac before chasing ripley to the dropship. it all does make sense, especially when you take into account the comment from my previous post that each alien has different characteristics depending on previous host/queen. there was no chest burster for the alien 3 one. the alien was more or less full formed.
Facehuggers are like motion sensors, they only open up when a suitable host is near
Most of the alien franchise fans wish they would have never seen this movie and would rather watch the previews over again and again. “We were wrong…….We were so wrong!”
maybe, you were wrong….. so wrong?? I think the movie was right!
personally, I think this movie was almost perfect in production and metaphorical content.
I also think there are 2 more installments before we get to ‘ALIEN’ (1979)
and at least 2 more genetic modifications of the actual creature, before we see the xenomorph we all know and love
also check out the character traits of the main characters…. and the personal ‘demons’ (or serpents, or sins, or ‘xenomorphs’) they carry ‘inside’ of them, that are just itching to ‘POP’ out!?! and WHY they die! and check the character traits of the survivor(s) dude!
incidentally…. Elizabeth Shaw, could never have been infected directly by the black goo….. (once you get this, you will get the film) go back and listen to what the people say and how they behave to EACH OTHER and who they are, and why they are actually on the mission to start with and their PERSONAL reasons for being there. It is all explained clear as glass, maybe your vision is just clouded??
which brings me to my next point…….
Is a metaphor (as all the alien films are) for purity of reason!
AND of pure unconditional love and respect for yourself and your fellow man, and the entire ‘verse … for seeking the ‘truth’ without greed and ego and anger, etc, blocking your vision and if your vision of the truth is blocked by these personal demons while you are searching.. you will die! (you will become infected by them and they will POP out when you least expect it LOL)
am I giving you a clue?
No offense intended….. I tells em as I see’s em!
Pure imagination is faster than the speed of light! you may do well to remember that! (especially for part3)
or you can just watch the preview over and over and over and…… you get the point! or maybe you dont!
Fish On!
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