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So…most of us know DC’s gonna take a ‘Darker tone’ with the superman reboot. Much like they did with Batman.
I really think this could work because superman comics themselves are often surprisingly dark and mature e.g. Superman: Rebirth.
Also people said Batman would never work as a ‘Dark’, ‘Gritty’ film, but that was because the majority of the public still view Batman as the ‘Camp’ superhero of yore.
So…my question is what do you guys think they could change/improve/incorporate to make the superman reboot a whole lot more mature?
Personally I think I might like to see more of an Alex Ross rendering type of Superman. An older, more powerful and imposing Superman.
Vic
Vic,
I know that these sites receive revenue from posting the ads for various products/movies on their site, but sometimes the ads you have make it hard to view your content. The drop down ones especially. Otherwise, everything else is great.
What drop down ads? I had those for a while but removed them due to complaints. As far as I known there shouldn’t be any more of those expanding ads running on the site.
Vic
Just reread Watchmen again..Excellent piece of modern literature..
@ 790…Dude did you read it yet? If not what are you waiting for..the movie?
I also read Infinite Crisis by DC( bought a graphic novel version) and was disappointed by how childish they made Superboy Prime…If he had been portrayed as insane like in the last few pages of the story it would have been much better..
Superman needs to beat the tar out of something in a movie instead of being the silent type…Show some emotion..anger, rage and just have at it…First of all he will need a plot that will elicit something more that nostalgia and will entice we the fans back for repeated viewings.. The movie’s overall tone doesn’t have to be dark but it can have a dark moment or two where Supes loses it and can maybe be brought back to reality by a guest appearance by Green Lantern, Flash or Wonder Woman or all of the above
Is it just me but I think the Flash and especially Green Lantern are DC’s Iron Man projects that will be big blockbusters if done properly…I think GL has so much potential to be the next big thing for WB and DC..
No Parallax (hope that is spelled right)..DC should not have messed with the Hal JOrdan character like that and then just reverse it and make him a Green KNight again…hated that!! Jordan is the GL for me…
Hey I got a few weeks of comments to catch up on…
Vic,
The drop down ads are still there… Everytime a page loads, I get forced to the top of the page and the drop down ad opens immediately. My cursor doesn’t even need to be near it for it to open either…
-Dave
JEREMY IRONS!!!
JUST SAW HIM IN THE TIME MACHINE REMAKE AND WITH THE MAKE-UP HE HAD ON HE PROVES TO ME WHAT I ALREADY THOUGHT…THAT HE WOULD MAKE AN ALMOST PERFECT FRANKENSTIEN MONSTER,HIS BONE STRUCTURE IS ALMOST THE SPITTING IMAGE OF KARLOFFS CLASSIC!!!
THE BEST BIT ABOUT VANHELSING WAS THE BLACK & WHITE BIT AT THE START!IF UNIVERSAL HAD ANY SENSE THEY’D REMAKE A BLACK/WHITE VERSION OF THE CLASSIC!!
JUST A THOUGHT!
ROCK-ON!!
Green Lantern movie concept art:
http://www.comics2film.com/index.php?a=story&b=35395
Thanks KEL…Great looking images there!
CHeers
THe drop down ads are still definitely a presence Vic…
Sidenote: There is ‘expanding ads on this site’.
Can I start a thread or everything is talked about here?
‘Ant-Man’ in the Avengers…
What do you think about that? Furthermore what do you think about him having a stand alone movie? I’ve never met an Ant-Man fan….
Wouldn’t you guys excuse Marvel ‘from forgetting about him’ during this Avengers build up so that we can focus on Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America and Thor? I think Ant-Man will add a sense of childishness to the whole franchise and I definitely view it as a mistake.
Sometimes I think you can honor source material by acknowleding the fact that not everything can work on film.
Iron Man - AWSOME!
The Incredible Hulk - AWSOME!
Thor - EH…
Captain America - Can be good.
Ant-Man - WTF? Might as well throw in the Wasp (practically tinker bell).
I don’t know, I’m a fan boy and a film student so these past few years, ever since ‘Blade’ hit the multiplex, my screen dreams have been comming true but I just can’t see Ant-Man working…?
Anybody else?
Fantastic Four, both of them, suck… sorry… it’s true.
EVERY time? At most those ads (and they shouldn’t be auto-expanding) should be coming up only 25% of the time. I’m not seeing the problem in either Firefox or Internet Explorer.
Can you guys email me at vic at screenrant.com and let me know:
Is it the top banner ad?
Is it the square ad on the side of the page?
What are the ads advertising?
Believe me, I do NOT want to annoy my visitors, so any info would be helpful in resolving this issue.
Thanks,
Vic
Well this ‘Open discussion sucks’…
How come there is not a page for Spawn? and why did you guys remove that ill-informed article about Marvel Manga crossovers?
Kalibur
Never liked the Ant-Man but was a big fan of the Yellow Jacket character. Wasp is the tinker bell of the Marvel universe but she was Pym’s moral compass. He wasn’t a bad guy in the seventies and early eighties in the comics until they turned him into a major AH by writing him as an abuser of his wife…
Interesting thought BRAVEHEART. 2010 will be the 100Th anniversary for “Frankenstein” films and 2011 will be the 80Th anniversary since the first popular version was made. Did anyone really make the story as told by Shelly? I don’t think so, at least not completely, faithfully in a single story.
High Kalibur,
you have now officially met an Ant Man fan !
and I have no problem having the Wasp in an Avengers film.
Yeah High Kalibur “Spawn: The Animation” is suppose to be out this year, heard anything?? Hamill is playing Twitch but who’s voicing “Spawn?” “Spawn 2″ is suppose to be out in 2010 so I don’t know why a thread hasn’t been started, other than no news has been published. Got any news?
I read this week that a good director has “Ant-Man” on his schedule. However he has one or maybe two properties to finish first. He claims to be an Ant-Man fan, so one fan is accounted for!
Sorry about that Gary we won’t forget ya..
.. next time..
“Well this ‘Open discussion sucks’…”
Um, what is your problem? Seriously.
“How come there is not a page for Spawn?”
BECAUSE NO ONE IS WORKING ON A SPAWN MOVIE.
“and why did you guys remove that ill-informed article about Marvel Manga crossovers?”
A. If it was “ill-informed” why would you care if it was removed?
B. Oh yeah, it WASN’T removed. I don’t know why you’re not capable of finding it.
Yeesh.
Vic
Gary / Greenknight,
At last, other opinions!
I think that focusing on, advancing and creating a superlative unity between Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor and Captain America on screen in a feature length film is an extraordinary feat in and of itself, I think, and this is my opinion, that Ant-Man will detract seriousness from the entire production and yes it is a superhero film but we still want to take it serious in a ‘what if’ fashion.
I think the majority of Marvel fans could care less about Ant-Man and if he’s not in it, I think the Avengers movie could be better.
Vic,
Todd Mcfarlene is working on a Spawn movie… Officially…
Oh yeah Vic, I’m just saying that their isn’t much interaction or posting happening during this ‘open discussion’ that’s all. I was hoping their would be a lot more film buffs, with varying oppinions posting that’s all.
The last time there was ANY news on it was over a year ago where he said he’d begun working on the screenplay. There’s nothing to cover.
I’m sorry if people aren’t that interested in talking about your topics, I have no control over that. Sometimes the discussion takes off, and other times it doesn’t.
Plenty of forums out there for this sort of thing… I just thought it would be nice to give folks an open forum once a week, which you won’t find on other movie blogs.
Vic
While I’m at it… that article was removed from the headlines.
It is ill-informed to say that Spider-Man The Animated Series is ‘bland’. That is an untasteful opinion, not shared by the majority of anybody and the success of the show dictates otherwise.
Yeah, I am a fan, so I take offense when people that are suppose to be ‘writing professionally’ allow their own opinions to confuse factual statements.
Vic,
Ha, I think you’re taking offense dude.
Now they’re ‘my topics’… It doesn’t seem like anyone is really interested in commenting on very many topics period which is what I was saying.
I bet you, people would comment about the Spawn movie… try it out or not… whatever.
I got some people talking about Avengers now. I’m happy. : )
Lol,,,
You sound like you want your money back High Kalibur.
Gheeshh kabob.
So AntMan,,, can’t he grow to full size ?
Well headlines get pushed down as new ones arrive, click on the Older Entries link at the bottom left on the main page if what you want doesn’t show on the first page.
“Yeah, I am a fan, so I take offense when people that are suppose to be ‘writing professionally’ allow their own opinions to confuse factual statements.”
Ah. Now I see the problem. This is not an objective movie news site. This is an editorial site where we express our opinions on the news of the day, so no, what we post is not objective, it is subjective.
And of course, we’re always right. :-p
Vic
@ 790…Dude did you read the Watchmen yet? If not what are you waiting for..the movie?
Yeah Ant man can grow to normal size
Henry pym has also been known as Goliath (Giant size)and Yellowjacket
He has been known to use hisshrink powers in that alter ego its done through chemicals io believe at least it was in the 60s .(avenger experts be kind.) there is also Scott Lang as Ant Man .
I dont know hich chracter is part of the up coming film .
Vic,
Yeah, well you shouldn’t setup a story by dissin’ a great show — especially –when the ‘dis’ has no foundation — bad editorial form.
790,
My money back… Haha.. Didn’t you suggest ‘open discussion’ to me. Haha.
So did you get a chance to check out Daredevil: Director’s Cut yet? Let me know…
For those of you interested in Depp as the Riddler in the Dark Night Returns check out the link..
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/08/31/johnny-depp-on-riddler-casting-rumors-itd-be-a-fun-gig/
Cheers
Both Scott and Hank Pym were in the supposed script for theAnt-Man movie Gary
GreenKhight333 is Back !!!
No I havnt read Watchmen yet Greenknight333,,, I guess that’s looking more like the only option for now. Lol. I prob will pick up a copy of the graphic book soon.
High Kalibur,,,
No I havnt watched DD yet,,, might be a few days on that.
lol, well 39 posts on the first day of OD, is pretty good. The colume will be up til next wednesday so the discussion never ends. (See how it works now).
Gary, so AntMan can assume full size,,, then there’s no prob getting him in Avengers. Should be a cool character.
Our house was in the air for three weeks 790 as we were getting a new basement..place for me to hide from the wife
so we were totally unplugged from the internet as we were victims of hospitality (in a good way)..Nice to be back and b@#$$&n’ about things again…READ THE WATCHMEN for the love of all that’s holy…
Hey since everyone is into the Iron Monger bit I want to see Tony Starks much lesser known FIRST super hero persona…not the Mach I but the Cast Iron Frying Pan Man and his arch nemesis Eutectic Alloy Man…..I think he would do massive box office..probably in just France and Italy but hey since Hollywood is out of original ideas why not…
Look for Cast Iron Frying Pan Man in theaters in May 2010 with cameos from Wolfgang Puck and of course THE IRON CHEF !!
Can’t wait for this one ~~~This is sarcasm~~~
Star Trek ,,,11
What would YOU do for the next film?
Go beyond N.G. perhaps explore the temporal cold war. I would also consider a story about an expedition to another galaxy. It would involve a >N.G. future Enterprise crew arriving at some planet to assist star fleet launch the first intergalactic ship. The real story is of course about people, the intergalactic ship would just act as the framework for the story.
Old Man, the Temporal Cold war ended in Archer’s Timeline.
Hey have you read any of the “Strange New World” novels ?
And they say TNG is dead ///
excuse me that would be extragalactic space ship.
Yeah 790 the cold war ended but we never really got to see much from the future side of the war.
Strange new worlds, no can’t say I have. Anything worth mentioning? The last Science fiction book I read was “The Uncertainty Principle” by Dmitri Bilenkin. It was a collection of short stories.
Well we know that the Expanse kept growing until the Federation had to wage war with the Sphere builders.
I believe that took place WAY past TNG timeline,,,
I’m not trying to talk you out of your idea,,, it sounds good but I’ve seen every Enterprise episode and I know that road… And it never really happened because Archer changed the future. So pardoxically it might exsist in a fractored universe. ?
The entire Enterprise season 3 story arc was awesome btw.
Strange New Worlds is a Cronicle novel of fan written Star Trek storys. They usually choose 3 or 4 stories from each Star Trek show and there’s also a Specluation group in some of the later volumes.
I didn’t write this post, but if we’re talking about the same Spider-Man cartoon, then I thought it was lousy. You might be talking about a different one though.
Haven’t seen the director’s cut of DD because I haven’t been able to rent it and I don’t want to buy the DVD.
Vic
P.S. I have to say this open discussion is going pretty well.
Vic,
I’m talking Spider-Man: The Animated Series from 1994… If you think it was lousy that’s fine, that’s the beauty of individuality.
What I’m saying is that ‘bland’ & ‘lousy’ was not how it was recieved by audiences and in contrary to that article’s statement, it was very successful. Like I said, your ‘editorial opinions’ are unfounded, not supported by fact and not shared by many but whatever.
You’re probably old. : )
And yeah, Spidey TAS was definitely geared toward the kiddies unlike Batman TAS which had a very mature element and even X-Men TAS was a step up in terms of maturity.
What were some of your favorite cartoons?
Spider-Man TAS was awesome! Not the best but awesome.
““Spider-Man (also known as Spider-Man: The Animated Series) is an American animated television series featuring the Marvel Comics superhero Spider-Man, which ran for five seasons (65 episodes) starting November 19, 1994 and finishing January 31, 1998. The producer/story editor was John Semper, Jr. and production company was the Marvel Productions. Reruns can currently be seen on Toon Disney. The show is generally considered by fans to be the most ‘true to source’ Spider-man media adaptation in terms of atmosphere, visuals and characters.”
Five seasons… uh that seems pretty successful… lets read on…
“This show is the second longest-running Marvel show created—after X-Men which lasted for six years—lasting five seasons and 76 episodes.”
I’d say it it safe to say Marvel has had success with Animation and that Spidey TAS was not ‘bland’ but the best of any animated incarnation the character has recieved. Most fans would agree.
Don’t diss the show just because you wern’t a fan or to hype up a story.”
Giving ones opinion isnt dissing.
Not every body likes the same thing.
Personally, I havent seen A Spider-Man animated series that hasent fallen short in some way.
Lol, High Kalibur,,, but I’m glad Vic dosnt cover Spider Man animation from 94,,,

(Piece of advice)
don’t expect everyone to have the same tastes and appreciation for animation that you do,,,
And really Bud, you owe Vic some respect, so please show it a little,,, thanks.
I hate to break it to you, but we can say whatever we like here at Screen Rant. You are however free to disagree (as you have done). I encourage debate on the site as long as it’s intelligent and civil.
And, yes, I *am* old, but Kofi, who wrote the post is not.
Oh, and my favorite Spider-Man animated series is the one from the 1960s.
Vic
Vic
a fractored universe story has potential, especially if you would want to take “Star Trek” even further into the future and resettle the franchise with new characters. It has a lot of advantages, it sets the bar higher for portraying everything. Make the second movie about the Extragalactic space ship. Then top the series off with a third movie that hits some of those strange new worlds. I don’t think a Star Trek anthology has been filmed as a movie. What do you think?
Vic,
I hate to break it you: Spider-Man: The Animated Series being successful is not an opinion. It either was or wasn’t successful and the FACT is that it was. You don’t like it, fine, it was still successful.
fact 1. Something that actually exists; reality; truth
opinion 1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof
The success of Spidey TAS is fact.
You, or the other guy finding it ‘bland’ is an opinion.
I don’t expect yall to admit that you’re wrong so don’t worry about it but I’m sure you’ll keep posting about it to get the last word. Have fun.
That’s awesome Vic !! Thanks!!
I passed out to Ghost Rider last night it was great.
I’m glad my death threats were finally taken seriously,,, Jk,lol,,,,
I hope we hear some new info on the movie,,,
Yes, Superstar!!!!
Old Man,,,

Your comment came in as I was typing this… I don’t really want to jump that far,,,
Let me see if I can find my Star Trek 11, treatment to copy and paste up here for all of you to mock.
So Spider Man Animated Series 1994, is the deal breaker for you, High Kalibur,,,,?
Sheesh bro, who knew ???
8-) 
Rock on,,,,
Post it! Few even commented about my feeble effort to write a “BSG season 4.5″. I was really going somewhere with it too.
790,
Yeah haha I guess it struck a cord. Haha. I grew up on Spidey man. TAS was great!
Lol,,, High Kalibur, just don’t go ragging on Vic,
…and were good,,,
Old Man, Stand by for that,,,,
Ghost Rider I tried to like it, I really did .
I liked parts of it .
I really hope its a stronger story .
oh , I liked the 60s SM animated because it was kind of weird .
its the others, the firestar stuff and the MTV one that really dissapointed .
and The 1994 version just didnt seem like it was all that special to me.
other examples of some of my favorie animated series are the Max fleisher Superman cartoons and the original Gigantor Anime.
I also liked Batman TAS and that Superman animated series from a few years back.
Dude, what-ever. I don’t recall reading across the web your Spidey-show being acclaimed as being an amazing animated series as is so often the case with the DC animated shows.
Successful does not necessarily equal good.
Look at the MTV show “Jackass”: Two full seasons and two theatrical movies. So because that was more “successful” than “Jericho” or “Journeyman” by your logic it’s a better show. How many “Friday the 13th,” “Hellraiser,” and “Scary Movies” have their been?
Successful? Maybe? Great? That would be: no.
We all have our favorites, no need to get bent out of shape. Hell, how often do you hear me give 790 a hard time over thinking “Speed Racer” was an awesome movie?
I’m done, BTW. If you want the last word, have a party.
Nice to have someone here who’s passionate about their faves and knows how to defend ‘em.
Vic
I even tried to pay Vic off for a 4.star rating on Speed Racer, he told me to bite it,,, aarrrgh.
Damn it,,, Speed Racer Rules!!!
oh noes, not a GhostRider 2
Box office failure, I call it now. There’s no way alot of people will see it after being fooled by the first one. What a horrible flick, haha. 790, I don’t know how you can like it, lol.
Oh and Greenknight felt the same way about you with Trek. He wanted future but I think i convinced him otherwise in that thread a month or two ago.
As for Depp as the riddler, it almost seems like they have to have some huge A-list star as the villain the next flick. Its the only way to top the Joker. And who better to play a crazy villain than johnny Depp, lol. It almost seems to obvious a choice, who knows what Nolan will do, or what villains will be included.
I would like to see Depp as an odder,lessr known Bat villain ,
Like Bookworm.
Sorry to come in on something that was mentioned so early on, but I’ve turned up late.
The only movie that tried to do Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein properly was the one with Branagh and De Niro. Never properly watched it, but I do remember it not being well received.
But do agree, like the idea of Irons as the monster. Big and scary coupled with intelligence and bitterness of soul.
As for Spiderman, I thought that version was cool, but that’s just my opinion.
Can we start a movement here at Screen Rant to get Jeremy Irons to get the part as a Karloff/Frankenstein for a new/old classic?!
Everytime I see him I just can’t believe how close he looks like Karloffs baby!!
To many remakes lose the “classic” feel like King Kong,all the latest effects don’t work if the main magic of the character is missing!Kong was good,but that old black’n'white still blows it away!The beast still looks scary and the log scene is terrifying!!!Yes we all know it was just a little animated puppet…but the magic was there!
Frankenstien would be an emense movie done right!!!
Rock-on!!!
Yup, special effects doesn’t mean magic. Personally I’ve always prefered the old school effects. If they redid the Thing with CGI, it would be flat.
Compare Yoda in the originals to the prequels too.
Also agree on Kong. I was very unimpressed with the remake.
Yeah, I say use practical effects wherever possible. Always looks better and is more effective.
Vic
Old Man, here’s my brief Star Trek 11 “incomplete” treatment. I wrote this 4 years ago,,,
There’s prob spelling and grammer probs.
Star Trek Collective,,,
takes place 1 year after Nemesis,,,,
Section 31, Star Fleets covert black ops division is running secret weapons tests in deep space,,, these weapons are based on the (Voyager Endgame ship)*
*Voyager was rushed into a underground hanger on Earth when it returned from the Delta Quad.
S.31 had a duplicate Intrepid class ship painted with Voyagers markings ready to present to the public for homecoming events. The crew was debrifed and this was to stay “top secret.”
Meanwhile, unknown to Section 31, the Romulans are watching the weapon testing by means of a new undetectable cloaking device that they can also fire from while cloaked.
In deep space,,,
Deep Space 46, has detected a micro wormhole, randomly forming and deforming,,,,, USS Titan is the nearest starfleet vessel, its sent to check it out.
Peace talks break out between the Federation and the Romulans,,,,
After the Shinzon incident, the Romulans, are willing to finally come to the table and make peace. There is one Romulan that declares that all secret weapon programs be unveiled for the benifit of peace and the new alliance.
The Federation agrees to a military exchange of technology to seal the treaty and end the years of turmoil between the two races.
Meanwhile in deep space, the USS Titan has arrived near DS46,,,
The micro-wormhole has the crew stumped ,,, on the other side of the Wormhole we see a Mirror version of the Borg,
The Mirror Borg have constructed a huge temporal device they intend to use to resupply the Borg in our Universe.
(The Borg were essentally wiped out during the Voyager incident,,, we learn that the Borg are the same “basically” in all mulitverse’s, their goal of perfection is total Multiverse assimalation)
USS Titan, finds out the Borg are behind the wormhole, but before they can stop it the Borg manage to send an Armada of ships thru….
Cont,,,
While both sides scramble to protect old war secrets the galaxy faces a New Stronger Borg threat.
The Romulans and Federation must team up,and to defeat the New Borg Threat, using the high tech weapons from the future,,,
Section 31 and the Obsidian Order, work together for the first time to defeat the New Borg once and for all.
There’s alot I left out but that’s the general concept.
Star Trek /// Collective
Vic
Geez Kalibur is like a dog with a bone with Spiderman TAS…I personally loved it and I am “old” if you consider Vic to be “old”…
greenknight,
I would have to agree… Spider-Man TAS = Awesome!!!!
I’m trying to get my younger brother in to them now but he’s still a little too young.
Actually, Steven the git i’ve seen that remake and it wasn’t an exact rendering.
790 It reads just fine and I think it has potential. Have you decided what characters will live in the story?
I think you would like “Vacuum Diagrams” and “Exultant.” I heartily recommend them, if you can afford a half hour a day to devote to them.
Thanks Old Man,,,
Its wide open to
Characters,,,
If I was casting the film I would try to bring in Tim Russ, Brent Spiner, Pat Stewart, Jeri Ryan, Johnathen Frakes, Kate Mulgrew and even Avery Brooks.
Since part of the story takes place in the mirror universe you could do alot with characters.
There’s a 7th season Next Generation episode that touchs on this story, the episode is called, “Parallels”,,,
In the episode there’s a spatial breach that allows many copies of the Enterprise to come into the same point in space.
When they find a way to close the breach, one Enterprise dosnt want to go back because his entire multiverse is all Borg…
Rob! Any feedback?

I hate the Borg. But that’s a good thing. And they finally get destroyed. That’s an even better thing. Hopefully they stay destroyed!
We are the Borg in a cultural sense and that identity has shifted throughout history.
What if the Borg shows up wanting to join the Federation, additionally claiming to have reached perfection.
The Federation is Irrelivant…
Your technology, and race will adapt to serve us,,,
You will be assimalated….
Resistance is Futile,,,
WE’re perfect, technology is irrelevant
! We now wish to serve!
You see they now stand as an example of perfection. No instrumentality is necessary beyond that which is needed for interaction with other species. They now wish to show other species what is possible to achieve, when they are ready.
Well do they push you beyond where you think a story can go?
Well Old Man, they could go to the next level where the Federation and Romulan forces irradicate the Borg…
Defend the multiverse and what have ya.
Future Borg,,,,
What’s your adgenda?
The borg were amazing when they were first introduced in TNG. They were dark and scary.
Then Voyager made them colourful (wayy to much green), small and weak. What a waste of the greatest villain species in Trek
790, those ideas you put above, I’d definately be in on that. However, you’d only make 2 million at the box office…or less. Only people who have watched all these series would see that. You’d have to already be a Trek fan. And after the last two flicks, even alot of them wouldn’t go.
back to what I was saying in the other thread, the new Trek flick is aimed at targeting everyone, you dont have to be a follower of the series’ to understand and enjoy. I’m not exaggerating when I say, none of my family or friends would go to see that type of movie. And I’m not sure how that storyline can turn into more movies or another TV series eventually. It would not re-kindle the star trek franchise.
I know why you and me like it, because we know and like those characters and would like to see them back. But JJ is making an epic flick to again, appeal to EVERYONE as a summer blockbuster, not a little niche straight-to-DVD rental.
It comes down to, which do you think would honestly sell more? which would bring in more non-fans? Your idea doesn’t address any of the concerns why all the previous movies sucked.
Like I said in the other thread, JJ’s flick is doing everything right, its making the ship a massive powerful thing, as opposed to one of many slick colourful things that just blow up instantly now in the TNG era. It features the most famous trek characters and names of all time, the most iconic ship in the trek universe, AND it ties it all into continuity, without the need to again intro some new stupid species no one cares about, that ruin the movie before it even starts. On top of that, and I dont know how many times I can say this, it appeals to EVERYONE and can actually be a wide success. I don’t want to sound like a jerk, but a TNG or future era flick cannot be a success at this moment in time.
—-
Out of curiousity, How many people here think it would be a better idea for Paramount and the Trek world, to make a future or TNG flick as opposed to what JJ is doing?
HEY, BORG?
“You will be assimalated…. Resistance is Futile”
Yea, but resistance and the subsequent damage caused can be sooo fun!!!
Mer-ah hah ha!!!
I shudder at the thought of the Borg Assimilating Cylons!!
Thanks for all the feedback everyone:
Yeah Rob, you make some good points,,,
I hope we get some comments on your question,,,
“What would the fans like more, TNG or JJ’s vision,,,???????? “
Sorry to butt-in on all the Borg talk…but I guess no-one’s impressed with my Jeremy Irons for Frankenstein idea!?!
Oh well,can i plug my bands myspace page then please?www.myspace.com/tridentrockband
Rock On!!!
BRAVEHEART
I think that Irons has a resemblance to Boris Karloff that would work well as Frankenstein.
oh and 790…and this is more important then Trek, are you doing what Greenknight and I are suggesting yet?..reading watchmen?
Yeah you guys talked me into it, I’m gonna get the (Watchmen) book tomarrow.

I wish somebody out there would try to rent/buy a copy of “Comic Book the Movie” starring Mark Hamill… Everyone here would love it.
(I think?)
Ok Rob, we get it, you have unquestionable faith in J.J. Whether Mr. Abrams has some grand scheme for “Star Trek” for the next 20 years or not has no bearing on the merit of 790s’ proposed script. What his script outline says to me is, here’s a rock-in good story of conflict which hearkens back to some of the better TNG and TOS episodes. He also got something right that Paramount likes and that is that the franchise moves forward rather than setting the story in the TOS time. My point is that historically the highest grossing of the Treks, adjusting for inflation I believe is the FIRST one! “Star Trek” has always done best when it either takes current issues head on or shows the audience something new.
So how does a mirror universe borg showing up claiming to want to help all other species achieve perfection = new? That’s what I wanted to explore. After W.W.II so much of American culture came to be impressed onto world culture. Go to just about any decent size city in the world and you can get a PEPSI or a COKE A COLA. In many transactions you can make traveling across the world the American Dollar will suffice. I don’t know how true it is today, but back in the 70’s, if you were to visit Poland for example, and wanted to convert U.S. currency, the best exchange rates were on the streets, not the banks or official sanctioned currency exchanges.
So now do you get the idea of where I’m coming from. A race of benevolent beings shows up. You once knew them to be so hostile that xenocide seemed the only rational course. They’re now asking, not telling, for foreign relations. Their agenda is to observe and assist, IF asked. They claim to know of a path on to a next evolutionary step. If your society is willing, they will walk with you there. If not they are interested in where your path leads, so they want to observe you get there. They claim to have all eternity to watch. They no longer claim assimilation to be their goal, only understanding. They have transcended the physical plane and only need to use instruments to make their presence known.
Of course Science Fiction utopias are seen as unacceptable and are rarely visited, an inevitable fly in the ointment always seems to appear. “Growth is limited by what you have in the least amount.”
Rob you speak of broad story appeal but unless the story hits as many points on the life cycle as possible it has a slim chance to have that. I don’t know if you know what I’m talking about or not, so I’ll let you tell me.
790: Don’t let them spoil the movie for you! I haven’t read it either! If you buy it DON’T read it, put it in a plastic bag and forget it for 9 months.
Thanks Old Man,,,


I heed your words!!!
Very wise Old Man,,,
old man,
what gets ppl in theatres. Think of marketing for that idea, then think of how it will be in this idea.
New beginnings, Kirk, the original enterprise vs. characters and ships from a bunch of ended shows and/or failed movies that only hardcore trek fans know about?
It comes down to this, in a very very simple example. My mom and dad would see a movie made in a very realistic tone compared to the TNG flicks about Kirk. My parents have no interest in seeing more future, crazy new ships/new aliens or multi dimensional borg vs. everyone from TNG era. That’s such a limited audience. And how can you possibly do that justice in a 2 hour flick btw? Theres no room for character development/interaction. Your response may be that they dont need character development because they are established already in canon…which means insta-failure because the movie then would not be made for non-trek fans, young movie goers and the mainstream.
It’s not that its JJ, you guys are missing the point. Its about the movie concept and how it can appeal the mainstream. You guys still haven’t provided reason as to how this possibly can appeal to the mainstream and how it could be a summer hit/tent-pole film.
please tell me how the characters from the last 3 Trek series (leaving out Enterprise ofcourse) can possibly be a huge summer seller?
Old Man
I think you should read the Grahic novel first..THey cannot possibly put the entire novel in the movies and with the tie-in with The Curse Of the Black Freighter…this will be some major symbolism lost that won’t be in the movie. I can see your logic if you don’t want to know what happens in the movie prior to seeing it but to me it would be like seeing the LOTR trilogy without having read the books first I would not have seen what the director cut from the story because I didn’t read the books first…I agreed with what Jackson cut from the films but because I read the books first…THe story still flowed very nicely with a continuity that wasn’t interupted throughout the trilogy. For the Watchmen this will be much harder to accomplish because they are trying to get it all in one 205 hour film..
CHeers
2.5 hour film
205 hours Cripes…sore butt after that one
@790
I would personally prefer the JJ’s version.For me he is just better suited for the job
I can appreciate that point of view greenknight333, but I want to see it like an average person would experience it. Then experience it like a fan boy would. I don’t think you can do that by reading the book first. Besides, I’ll probably see the movie twice anyway, since its regarded so highly. It also acts as a mental exercise. I’ll form opinions to fill in the gaps for the movie first go-around, read the book, which will confirm or dispel my conclusions from the first go around. Then see the movie again in the ways you might understand it. I wring more entertainment out of it that way.
Rob you’re view is fine for 2009 but what about 2012? That’s what I’m looking at.
“Star Trek” has been around for 42 years, the show has permeated and saturated the media if you don’t like it, understand it, or get it with so many avenues to currently get it, doing the equivalent of sitting someone down and explaining it on a chalk board, isn’t going to work either. If you look at the attendance at all the movies, even the best Trek movies only bumps the attendance by a few million. I think their’s a psychological component to it. People realize, that will never happen in their lifetime or even their children’s so even as entertainment, it can’t hold them. It just reminds them of their own smallness, their own mortality, and their own lack of understanding of what is already going on around them. I’ve tried explaining how a computer works to my brother in the simplest terms possible, without talking down to him. He only wants to know just enough to turn it on and surf to some website. Same with my little sister, they don’t even want to know or explore E-mail and forget E-commerce. They desire simple lives even in their entertainment. This new “Star Trek” movie is going to use time travel as a plot device. That right there will turn bunches of people off. No one has ever heard of it happening in the real world so how possible could it be? Plenty of people have claimed to have had encounters with UFOs but I’ve never seen even a semi-serious show where someone claims to have encountered a time traveler from our future and that person being mentally sound! So you can imagine the skepticism of my siblings. Their even embarrassed to think about going up to get a ticket to that kind of a show at a theater.
I think before we can go back to the Borg ,
The franchise needs Abrams shot in the arm first.
790s idea was a good read though .
790, why don you flesh it out and present it here in chapters?
Could be fun!
Hey Gary, I’ll put up some more on the story later when I get home…
Rob, (maybe I’m worng) , but I think what’s going on is that ppl are tierd of TNG/Ds9/Voy. timeline because of the stigma of Rick Berman/Co., and Nemesis,,,
I have a feeling if Abrams was working on a TNG story or the one like mine, the new take on the characters and the Borg would have just as much buzz going as Kirk and Spock.
Abrams could cast Nimoy as the Envoy that brings the Federation and Romulans togther?
He could play a big role in the war with the Borg as well.
Abrams take on the mirror universe would be the equivalent of the time travel story in Kirk/Spock tale.
Who knows,,,at least this way the Star Trek Saga contiues to move forward.»»»
Its all a matter of new creative blood at the top…all we can do is wait and see if it was the right move on JJ’s part.
I can allready hear Abrams sayng “it was the studios, they wanted to go back to Kirk&Spock”. Lol, well see …
(Anyway its fun to be at least talking Star Trek its been so dead for so long)
EIther way you do it Old Man I’m sure you will enjoy the experience(read it first)…
Cheers
Hey, does anyone know when are we getting a OFFICIAL X-Men: Origins trailer? (aside from the Comic-Con one)
Iron knight , are you referring to the Wolverine film?
They never should have retitled it .
First off,,,
I felt this story of Romulan peace talks and Borg war, would be timly topic with the wars going on in our world.
Havng two old enemys work together would have been the social message…
(The Original Series was heavy in anti war topics)…..
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Star Trek Collective
Additional info, thoughts on plotlines and characters…
The only way this film could work budget wise, is if all actors agreed to work for some kind of pay standard/cut. For this reason alone it would prob. be tough to get Stewart or Spiner. (Since there a package deal). Nimoy would be the only exception.
Nimoy would of course play Spock, he would play a huge role in the peace talks and the war,,,
I would have liked to work in a Sisko revival somehow. But you can only do so much in 2 hours. (If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them)
I had thought about using the Bajoran wormhole as some sort of location the Borg could exploit to send thru an armada, but it had been done so many times before,,, plus the location takes us too far away from earth.
I had allways wanted to see Cap Riker on the Titan, with Troi, Worf, and Jordie as well….

A year after the Voyager homecoming, I figured there would be a re-fit Voyager NCC 74656-A and crew,,,,
Love to see 7of9 , Captain Tuvok, No,1. Paris, and Llt.Kim,
Chacotey would be on vacation that day, lol,,,
I would be open to any characters from DS9,,, they could be scattered throughout the story. I allways felt the name of the story “Collective” was a double meaning… (Borg fans know what I’m talking about) yet its also a collective of all the cast memebers that would agree to do the film, and replay their roles.
If Johnathan Frakes agreed to do the film, the Titan would be the main ship, in the beginning at least, If not then Voyager,,,
Later Romulan characters would get involved, as well as more Federation ships. At some point the Original Voyager would show up to kick some Mirror Borg A!
(The mirror Borg would be an even more dangerous and cold version)
As a sub-story I had also figured to see more of the Mirror universe Borg, and what they are dealing with on their side of the “Dimensional Gate”.
Since their multiverse would be one of the Borgs mightest, I figured we could see a NEW race of alien beings on the mirror side, fighting the Borg and winning. (Ala Species 8472).
Later these new aliens could even provide a pivitol role in the war at the end to close the Dimensional gateway.
One idea I had for the Mirror Borg would be to use Lore, (Datas Evil Twin) as their Locutus, more or less,,, (If Brent Spiner agreed to take a pay cut) lol,,,
One aspect of the story for me, would be to introduce a new ship/crew for a new TV show. During the main story we could follow along with one of the Section 31. Weapon test ships/crews.
This ship could have a totally new crew, with good casting, this could be one of the hero ships at the end. (Maybe even the Millenium Falcon of the battle) catch my dirft.
If the film was a hit, they could lauch a new Tv show with that crew set directly after the film. ????
I’m looking forward to seeing some new Abrams Trek, but going back to Kirk & Spock is a huge cop-out to me.
Allways will be.
790 ///
Yes, Gary I’m referring to that one
Poor Harry Kim!
All these years and still the best he can do is Lieutenant ?
In the mirror universe ,
He probably would have assassinated Chakotay by now!
Just not feeling the Star Trek spirit…I hope something gets this thing moving for me…Can`t ever remember being this apathetic towards Trek…
Lol, GreenKnight333,,,

Hope it wasn’t anything I said,,,
Man, speaking of Harry Kim, that is one of the worst actors I’ve seen, lol. You would think I would defend him since I’m Asian too but damn was he bad. If they were going to do a new Voyager, they should hire me instead. Not that I would be a better actor, I would probably be just as bad, but I will accept less money.
I thought the actor who portrayed Harry Kim did a great job. In fact, Harry Kim was one of my favorite Voyager characters (and I will always admit this to my wife :-)).
I think 790 has a concept for a Trek movie that could work. My story would go like this:
After the events ending Voyager, all Federation ships are fitted with weapondry and shields from the future. The Borg are in shambles, with no queen and no direction. In the mirror universe, the Borg have assimilated Miles O’Brien, which means they have the knowledge to enter our universe. The Borg threat is renewed in our universe when the mirror Borg re-assimilate all the Borg here. The movie would start off by showing how the Borg came into existence by the same race that gave the Voyager probe the ability to circum-navigate the universe (a race of machines).
Maybe I didn’t think too highly of any of them, lol. I might be biased because I’ve never really been a fan of Star Trek. Too hippy for me. They Federation reminds me of the UN and I think the UN are a bunch of useless pansies…
In almost every episode I’ve seen, there’s always that time when someone just needs a torpedo up their arse, but the Voyager team is like “oh no, they’ve been through a horrible ordeal, that’s why they’re desperate enough to threaten our lives, we should try to negotiate and see if we can help them out so we can avoid blood-shed” and all the while the people they are talking about is firing torpedos at them, their ship is exploding all over the place and who knows if any of the unnamed crew are getting injured or killed…
I don’t know, it just seems like they are masters of indecision, lol.
Thanks Kahless,,,
There was a good Klingon episode of Voyager, in season 7…
I loved watching the old school Klingon K7 class ship get its butt kicked. Lol
Also there was an episode of Enterprise called “Dead Stop” that also could have been Borg related.
Ken J, more like Masters of the Universe !!! Lol
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