Comments on: Open Discussion – July 23, 2008

By: Vic Holtreman

Vic Holtreman — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:01:29 +0000

Yeah, 790 is a very good artist – sent me a cool rendition of the Terminator.

Vic

By: 790

790 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:45:33 +0000

Got that right Old Man, I’m about to watch “BSG,,,Unfinished Business, the Ron Moore version” on dvd.

Catch ya tomarrow !!!!

By: the old man

the old man — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:04:30 +0000

“Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.”

- The Old Man from Scene 24, Monty Python and the Holy Grail

By: 790

790 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:01:03 +0000

You should change your name to the Riddler, Old Man,
Yeah 790, surfs, if that’s your deffinition.

I’ve even sent Vic some of my art work he can comment on it of he likes.
Plus I also write, and I am currently writing a few script outlines.

Yeah 790 rides the waves.

Apoc now , best war movie ever….

By: the old man

the old man — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:48:38 +0000

And yes “Apocalypse Now” is a fav of mine too.

By: the old man

the old man — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:41:12 +0000

Being an artist is like surfing because your constantly balancing on an ever changing surface. Even the very best wipe out sometimes. We live in an ever more complicated world. It would be nice if we all could learn how to surf..

By: 790

790 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:32:08 +0000

Well the act of having nothing to loose is also part of the act,, Old Man,, but you know that….

790 don’t surf, Major….
So I guess I’ll fight…

By: the old man

the old man — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:23:41 +0000

Artist hang it out there like that all the time. Their risk takers. The best always are. Do you surf 790?

By: 790

790 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:12:50 +0000

Well Old Man,there was a certain suicidal side to the Nicholson Joker, but it wasn’t as in-your face as Ledgers.

Tragically it seems as if Nolan cast Heath Ledger in a time that he was suicidal, and it came out in the performance.
I can totally see Nolan going along with Heath as an actors Director he would be open to whatever direction Heath wanted to take it, and the suicidal angle only made the Joker more dangerous.

Heath had to realise that his heath was in jepordy taking all those pills, those are pretty clear signs of depression.
It seems he was self medicating and things happen.
unless foul play was involved, how are we really too know ??

By: the old man

the old man — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:52:29 +0000

All stories match certain archetypes. That’s easy to see right. So if its stale, it’s boring. The cardinal sin! So how do you take the archetypal story and make it interesting. It’s always been the challenge. We the audience quibble about the boundaries. It use to be, and to some extent still, that some person who had or made a name for them selves stood in our place to represent our collective artistic sense. The art critic. Technology has and is breaking down those barriers that in many ways made it impractical for the public in general to hold a two way conversation with the mass media artist.

By: 790

790 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:26:58 +0000

Your gonna have to spell it out for me Old Man, cause I don’t think I know wtf your talking about.

By: the old man

the old man — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:19:20 +0000

“The suicidal aspect was a NEW twist on the Joker.”

Their’s the key 790 and the challenge, to make it new. Really, and all of you know this, all stories have been told before!

By: Steven

Steven — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:54:22 +0000

for me Joker and Zface were perfect as I would like them. The Joker is crazy as hell, so a bit suicidal, why not . If Dent had pulled the trigger, he had lost from that instant. He and his coin, for me, he hides behind the fair chances, he can say it was the coin that had him to pull the trigger or not. And that was nice with him in the car of the mobboss, he didn’t shoot him, but the driver got bad luck. Dent is still a bit of a fair man, but with a certain rage.
And batman taking the blame, for the reasons he said, yeah, why not, that’s what a real hero would do. Some truth is better left untold, like in the real world.

greets

By: 790

790 — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:17:12 +0000

The suicidal aspect was a new twist on the Joker. I have to wonder if Heath suggested that direction to Nolan or if it was Nolans idea ???

By: 790

790 — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:09:26 +0000

Rob,,,,
I got the converstion but it didn’t seem real to me.

I guess one prob I have with the 2Face scene in the hospital is that coin or no coin character trait or not, emotionally Dent would have pulled the trigger on Joker. The gun could have been unloaded. ??
They could have wrote that scene a little different. That’s all I’m suggesting. And they could have done it in a way that would have convinced me Dent was more control of his revenge.

The part of blame on Batman drags the film down at the end like. (IMO)
So many criminals and cops have broken the law, singling out Batman was a joke. (IMO).
Batman feeling all the guilt was insulting to the character. (IMO).

But I’m not a hardcore comic student of Batman. Maybe he’s supposed to be kinda guilt ridden ?? And maybe Dent is a guy blinded by his favorite quarter ??

By: Rob

Rob — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:23:23 +0000

and you’re missing the point of what the scene is all about. Joker’s creating his usual chaos by converting the once-ultimate good character dent , making him chaotic as well which would destroy the city.

This is the same reason he wants Batman to kill him with the batpod and at the end, to take Batman down and create chaos.

This is why at the end, Batman takes the fall as the already-though-of-vigilante to keep Dent as the so-called saving grace of the city.

By: Rob

Rob — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:21:25 +0000

wait, why should it have been different. You are saying they *should* have written Two-face’s character incorrectly to make the film better?

well if that’s the case, there shouldn’t be any coin at all…then we might as well get rid of joker’s makeup while were at it, lol

By: 790

790 — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:32:28 +0000

SPOILER***zzz

Yeah well we don’t really know if 2Face is dead yet.
I thought Scarecrow was behind bars so who knows.

I don’t think Bats has to worry too much about copycats now, Joker made sure of that.
^
You guys see the trailers for “Swing Vote” and Rightous Kill”. Wow they both looked sooooo bad…

By: Panda

Panda — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:10:44 +0000

SPOILERS***

I was disappointed that 2face died – and Batman taking the blame is a cool concept, but why him?? It’s flimsy to start with considering 2face is at the scene, just say it was the Joker’s henchmen.

Maybe we’ll see in the next one that Bats wanted to take the blame to further make himself an outsider or prevent future copycat crime fighters.

Anyone else catch the Cat reference when Burce and Lucious were talking about the suit??? “Dunno about dogs, maybe cats?”

By: Gary

Gary — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:38:50 +0000

you cant write it differently.
2face follows the coin.
I knew he used it .
it was clear enough to me.